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Anonymous
May 2, 2005 3:05:26 PM

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This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a partition
copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two IDENTICAL
size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly, including
the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want to
leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and there
is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB) will
be obliterated in the process?

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Anonymous
May 2, 2005 3:05:27 PM

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You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.

What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an Image? I
*think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
> copy, as follows:
>
> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>
> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also
want to
> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and
there
> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and
files,
> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>
> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all
or
> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4
GB) will
> be obliterated in the process?
>
>
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 3:35:09 PM

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In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image. All I
want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D partition,
preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a timeline on those
files and folders.

Let me explain what I do here, as a matter of practice. Perhaps that will
help....

On the few occasions where I've had to do a clean install, I always save (by
renaming) the complete \windows and \program files folders on the same
drive, and keep them there for a VERY VERY useful reference. (I don't
format the disk, but it's still a clean install).

But I don't want these on the C partition anymore - I'd rather free up some
space there, and move em over to the D partition, preserving all the folder
and file timestamps. I really find that time and datestamp history VERY
useful after I've done a clean reinstall, and am reinstalling all of my
programs)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.
>
> What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an Image? I
> *think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
> regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
>> copy, as follows:
>>
>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
>> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>
>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
>> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want
to
>> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and
there
>> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
>> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>>
>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
will
>> be obliterated in the process?
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Anonymous
May 2, 2005 3:35:10 PM

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Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too, find
Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it important
for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script that would
read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to copy, and then
append that date value to the folder name. Could even do the copying
using that same script.

You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:o qWyUyzTFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image.
All I
> want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D
partition,
> preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a timeline on
those
> files and folders.
>
> Let me explain what I do here, as a matter of practice. Perhaps that
will
> help....
>
> On the few occasions where I've had to do a clean install, I always
save (by
> renaming) the complete \windows and \program files folders on the same
> drive, and keep them there for a VERY VERY useful reference. (I
don't
> format the disk, but it's still a clean install).
>
> But I don't want these on the C partition anymore - I'd rather free up
some
> space there, and move em over to the D partition, preserving all the
folder
> and file timestamps. I really find that time and datestamp history
VERY
> useful after I've done a clean reinstall, and am reinstalling all of
my
> programs)
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.
> >
> > What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an
Image? I
> > *think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
> > regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
> subfolder
> >> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
> partition
> >> copy, as follows:
> >>
> >> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
> IDENTICAL
> >> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
> >>
> >> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
> including
> >> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also
want
> to
> >> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched
(and
> there
> >> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and
files,
> >> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
> >>
> >> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
> >> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which
is
> about
> >> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
all or
> >> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4
GB)
> will
> >> be obliterated in the process?
>
>
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 4:34:57 PM

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The all or nothing is correct; however, when you shoot an image, you must
have free (unpartitioned) space to paste it to so you would have to reduce
the size of your D: partition.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
> subfolder
> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
> partition
> copy, as follows:
>
> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
> IDENTICAL
> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>
> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
> including
> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want
> to
> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and there
> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>
> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
> about
> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
> will
> be obliterated in the process?
>
>
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 4:40:16 PM

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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
> place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too, find
> Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it important
> for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script that would
> read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to copy, and then
> append that date value to the folder name. Could even do the copying
> using that same script.
>
> You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
> why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.

Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the installation of
some programs, and the time history helps. I like to know when I
previously installed things - it comes in handy sometimes, especially when
some weird configuration problems arrise after a new installation.

You would think *by now* there would be SOME utility program available that
would copy folders and files *preserving all date and time stamps*
(including folders) in Win98SE.

As I understand it, it is difficult to do this in Win9x (like there aren't
any such programatic windows "service calls" available.

You know, a program could be a bit creative, and even (temporarily) reset
the date of the computer to create (mimic) each source folder datestamp, and
then reset it back again before terminating (IF that was necessary).

Have you found any utilities that WILL preserve folder dates (for Win9x)?

> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:o qWyUyzTFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image. All
I
>> want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D partition,
>> preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a timeline on
those
>> files and folders.
>>
>> Let me explain what I do here, as a matter of practice. Perhaps that
will
>> help....
>>
>> On the few occasions where I've had to do a clean install, I always save
(by
>> renaming) the complete \windows and \program files folders on the same
>> drive, and keep them there for a VERY VERY useful reference. (I don't
>> format the disk, but it's still a clean install).
>>
>> But I don't want these on the C partition anymore - I'd rather free up
some
>> space there, and move em over to the D partition, preserving all the
folder
>> and file timestamps. I really find that time and datestamp history VERY
>> useful after I've done a clean reinstall, and am reinstalling all of my
>> programs)
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.
>>>
>>> What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an Image? I
>>> *think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
>>> regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS MVP Shell/User
>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
>>>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
>>>> partition copy, as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
>>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>>>
>>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
>>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but
I
>>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
>>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of
C's
>>>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
copy).
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
>>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
>>>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all
or
>>>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
>>>> will be obliterated in the process?
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 5:20:07 PM

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Not using BING right now, but that sounds correct... if you are doing a copy of the
partition, it will replace whatever is there now with the copy. Why not just make
an image? BING will create an image, as will Terabyteunlimited's standalone Image
for Windows. It can create an image file that can be saved anywhere there is room,
just like any other file.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.ms...

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and subfolder
> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a partition
> copy, as follows:
>
> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two IDENTICAL
> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>
> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly, including
> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want to
> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and there
> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>
> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is about
> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB) will
> be obliterated in the process?
>
>
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 8:44:07 PM

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Bill in Co. wrote:
> In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image.
> All I want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D
> partition, preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a
> timeline on those files and folders.

Can't think of an app for that but if a *list* of the folders and their
creation (not mod)dates would help there is FolderReport. The list can
be in various formats and could be stored wherever you move them.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/index.html

--
dadiOH
____________________________

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Anonymous
May 2, 2005 8:44:08 PM

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TNX, I'll check it out. But I'm still looking a utility that does
something as basic as what I asked: namely, copy folders and files while
preserving the source folder and file dates, which is what any decent copy
utility SHOULD do.

dadiOH wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image.
>> All I want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D
>> partition, preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a
>> timeline on those files and folders.
>
> Can't think of an app for that but if a *list* of the folders and their
> creation (not mod)dates would help there is FolderReport. The list can
> be in various formats and could be stored wherever you move them.
> http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/index.html
>
> --
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 8:47:44 PM

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Bill in Co. wrote:
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
>> place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too,
>> find Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it
>> important for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script
>> that would read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to
>> copy, and then append that date value to the folder name. Could even
>> do the copying using that same script.
>>
>> You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
>> why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.
>
> Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the
> installation of some programs, and the time history helps. I like
> to know when I previously installed things - it comes in handy
> sometimes, especially when some weird configuration problems arrise
> after a new installation.

<yawn> Use TUN and you will always have the install dates at your
finger tips.

--
dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 8:53:27 PM

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dadiOH wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
>>> place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too,
>>> find Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it
>>> important for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script
>>> that would read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to
>>> copy, and then append that date value to the folder name. Could even
>>> do the copying using that same script.
>>>
>>> You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
>>> why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.
>>
>> Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the
>> installation of some programs, and the time history helps. I like
>> to know when I previously installed things - it comes in handy
>> sometimes, especially when some weird configuration problems arrise
>> after a new installation.
>
> <yawn> Use TUN and you will always have the install dates at your
> finger tips.

Heck, if all you want is your install dates you could just write the
info down. Spreadsheet preferred, you can sort.

--
dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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Anonymous
May 2, 2005 8:53:28 PM

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I want the dates on all folders and all files in the windows and program
files folders for reference. Would you want to write those down?

dadiOH wrote:
> dadiOH wrote:
>> Bill in Co. wrote:
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
>>>> place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too,
>>>> find Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it
>>>> important for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script
>>>> that would read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to
>>>> copy, and then append that date value to the folder name. Could even
>>>> do the copying using that same script.
>>>>
>>>> You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
>>>> why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.
>>>
>>> Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the
>>> installation of some programs, and the time history helps. I like
>>> to know when I previously installed things - it comes in handy
>>> sometimes, especially when some weird configuration problems arrise
>>> after a new installation.
>>
>> <yawn> Use TUN and you will always have the install dates at your
>> finger tips.
>
> Heck, if all you want is your install dates you could just write the
> info down. Spreadsheet preferred, you can sort.
>
> --
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 10:09:16 PM

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Bill in Co. wrote:
> I want the dates on all folders and all files in the windows and
> program files folders for reference. Would you want to write
> those down?

No, but I would (and have, pre-TUN) write down program install dates
which seemed to be what you wanted.

--
dadiOH
____________________________

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Anonymous
May 2, 2005 10:20:53 PM

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Bill in Co. wrote:
> TNX, I'll check it out. But I'm still looking a utility that does
> something as basic as what I asked: namely, copy folders and files
> while preserving the source folder and file dates, which is what any
> decent copy utility SHOULD do.

No it isn't. Copy is one thing, replicate (or "image") is another. If
the destination doesn't *have* the folder you are copying a folder has
to be - guess what - created.

You could get around that if you copied over any of the folders you
periodically update when you create the source folder(s). The date
would be correct, time a bit off.

What you want a copy program to do could easily lead to chaos which
could lead to confusion which could lead to whoops...

--
dadiOH
____________________________

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....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 10:20:54 PM

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dadiOH wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> TNX, I'll check it out. But I'm still looking a utility that does
>> something as basic as what I asked: namely, copy folders and files
>> while preserving the source folder and file dates, which is what any
>> decent copy utility SHOULD do.
>
> No it isn't. Copy is one thing, replicate (or "image") is another. If
> the destination doesn't *have* the folder you are copying a folder has
> to be - guess what - created.
>
> You could get around that if you copied over any of the folders you
> periodically update when you create the source folder(s). The date
> would be correct, time a bit off.
>
> What you want a copy program to do could easily lead to chaos which
> could lead to confusion which could lead to whoops...

Not to me. To me, it would do what it's *supposed* to do: make a perfect
copy. As it is, it does NOT.

> --
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Anonymous
May 2, 2005 10:23:59 PM

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Someone once gave me a program to do what you want:
The program was called: TimeSyncDir
written by James Minn as a personal home type project.
It was suppose to work on W9x, but I never got a change to use it though
because I quickly realized and just booted to WXP because when using xcopy on
that OS it does preserve folder dates as well as file dates. I perfectly
understand why you like to keep original dates on folder, I was totally
intent on always doing that myself and settled for nothing less.

Of course you always could do is just re-image your current C:\ directly over
to your spare drive keeping All dates exact, and then actually be able to
boot as a working OS for testing and saftey, and then boot back and forth to
it at will.
However the way you have your partitions setup won't support that since you
would need another Primary to do that. I know I mentioned to your before
that it would better if your HD is partitioned ideally, whereas you can make
Three partitions @ 7GB (4k efficient clusters) primary bootable partitions
for 3 OS's and then partition the rest to a Logical partition for your
storage files, that way you can use BING, TrueImage, or DriveImage not only
to save a backup partition of C:\ to your Storage partition for safety, but
also then actually Restore that same C:\ partition to D:\ as well, or E, and
in that way you will be able to not only boot from your current W98SE, but as
well boot to the one you have on D:\, and you could even put another OS on
the open left Primary - anyway back to your original request, this way when
you restore you current partition to D:\ it will have all the original folder
& file dates - actually everything byte for byte the same, but give you
other flexibility and options you could only dream of.

Rick


Bill in Co. wrote:
> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and subfolder
> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
> partition copy, as follows:
>
> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>
> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I
> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's
> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>
> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is about
> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
> will be obliterated in the process?
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 1:29:01 AM

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I wonder if there is an option in xcopy or (xcopy32??) running in a dos
shell to copy all the folders and subfolders and long file names AND
preserve the original folder and file dates??

I'm guessing NOT, right?

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> Someone once gave me a program to do what you want:
> The program was called: TimeSyncDir
> written by James Minn as a personal home type project.
> It was suppose to work on W9x, but I never got a change to use it though
> because I quickly realized and just booted to WXP because when using xcopy
on
> that OS it does preserve folder dates as well as file dates. I perfectly
> understand why you like to keep original dates on folder, I was totally
> intent on always doing that myself and settled for nothing less.
>
> Of course you always could do is just re-image your current C:\ directly
over
> to your spare drive keeping All dates exact, and then actually be able to
> boot as a working OS for testing and saftey, and then boot back and forth
to
> it at will.
> However the way you have your partitions setup won't support that since
you
> would need another Primary to do that. I know I mentioned to your before
> that it would better if your HD is partitioned ideally, whereas you can
make
> Three partitions @ 7GB (4k efficient clusters) primary bootable partitions
> for 3 OS's and then partition the rest to a Logical partition for your
> storage files, that way you can use BING, TrueImage, or DriveImage not
only
> to save a backup partition of C:\ to your Storage partition for safety,
but
> also then actually Restore that same C:\ partition to D:\ as well, or E,
and
> in that way you will be able to not only boot from your current W98SE, but
as
> well boot to the one you have on D:\, and you could even put another OS on
> the open left Primary - anyway back to your original request, this way
when
> you restore you current partition to D:\ it will have all the original
folder
> & file dates - actually everything byte for byte the same, but give you
> other flexibility and options you could only dream of.
>
> Rick
>
>
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
>> partition copy, as follows:
>>
>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>
>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I
>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of
C's
>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>>
>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
>> will be obliterated in the process?
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 3:00:04 AM

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On Mon, 2 May 2005 15:38:40 -0600, "Bill in Co."
<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I want the dates on all folders and all files in the windows and program
>files folders for reference. Would you want to write those down?

Bill,

Maybe look into Ghost, as I recall it makes a byte for byte copy
into an image file. The files are accessible using Ghost Explorer.
Seems that a byte for byte copy should do it exactly and retain
folder dates. The image file creation should not disturb other data
on the partition as long as it fits.

I have Ghost but haven't used it lately so maybe this is not what
you need. Maybe worth checking out though, someone here should know.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 4:04:51 AM

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xxcopy c:\ d:\ /clone
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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
> > place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too, find
> > Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it important
> > for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script that would
> > read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to copy, and then
> > append that date value to the folder name. Could even do the copying
> > using that same script.
> >
> > You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
> > why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.
>
> Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the installation
of
> some programs, and the time history helps. I like to know when I
> previously installed things - it comes in handy sometimes, especially when
> some weird configuration problems arrise after a new installation.
>
> You would think *by now* there would be SOME utility program available
that
> would copy folders and files *preserving all date and time stamps*
> (including folders) in Win98SE.
>
> As I understand it, it is difficult to do this in Win9x (like there aren't
> any such programatic windows "service calls" available.
>
> You know, a program could be a bit creative, and even (temporarily) reset
> the date of the computer to create (mimic) each source folder datestamp,
and
> then reset it back again before terminating (IF that was necessary).
>
> Have you found any utilities that WILL preserve folder dates (for Win9x)?
>
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:o qWyUyzTFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image.
All
> I
> >> want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D
partition,
> >> preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a timeline on
> those
> >> files and folders.
> >>
> >> Let me explain what I do here, as a matter of practice. Perhaps that
> will
> >> help....
> >>
> >> On the few occasions where I've had to do a clean install, I always
save
> (by
> >> renaming) the complete \windows and \program files folders on the same
> >> drive, and keep them there for a VERY VERY useful reference. (I
don't
> >> format the disk, but it's still a clean install).
> >>
> >> But I don't want these on the C partition anymore - I'd rather free up
> some
> >> space there, and move em over to the D partition, preserving all the
> folder
> >> and file timestamps. I really find that time and datestamp history
VERY
> >> useful after I've done a clean reinstall, and am reinstalling all of my
> >> programs)
> >>
> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> >>> You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.
> >>>
> >>> What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an Image?
I
> >>> *think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
> >>> regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>> MS MVP Shell/User
> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> >>> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >>>
> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
> subfolder
> >>>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
> >>>> partition copy, as follows:
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
> >>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
> >>>>
> >>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
> >>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition,
but
> I
> >>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
> >>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL
of
> C's
> >>>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
> copy).
> >>>>
> >>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
> >>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
> about
> >>>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all
> or
> >>>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4
GB)
> >>>> will be obliterated in the process?
>
>
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 5:01:12 AM

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http://www.winzip.com/
WinZip does that, preserving all dates.


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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
| dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
| copy, as follows:
|
| Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
| size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
|
| I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
| the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also
want to
| leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and
there
| is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and
files,
| which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
|
| Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
| That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
| 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all
or
| nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4
GB) will
| be obliterated in the process?
|
|
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 5:01:13 AM

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Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in the copied
folders? Are you sure?

PCR wrote:
> http://www.winzip.com/
> WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
>> copy, as follows:
>>
>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
>> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>
>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
>> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want
to
>> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and
there
>> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
>> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>>
>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
will
>> be obliterated in the process?
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 5:49:15 AM

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Yes, I just tried it. XCOPY likely can do it to.


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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in the
copied
| folders? Are you sure?
|
| PCR wrote:
| > http://www.winzip.com/
| > WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| > news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| >> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
| subfolder
| >> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
| partition
| >> copy, as follows:
| >>
| >> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
| IDENTICAL
| >> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
| >>
| >> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
| including
| >> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also
want
| to
| >> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched
(and
| there
| >> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and
files,
| >> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
| >>
| >> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
| >> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which
is
| about
| >> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
all or
| >> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4
GB)
| will
| >> be obliterated in the process?
|
|
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 5:49:16 AM

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I've got both of them. I already had Winzip but just got an updated
xxcopy. This will be interesting. If anybody's interested in the
results, just let me know (haven't tried either yet)

Never thought of Winzip as being a "folder copy" utility though. Just a
zip and unzip utility.

PCR wrote:
> Yes, I just tried it. XCOPY likely can do it to.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23gk9jD6TFHA.1896@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in the
copied
>> folders? Are you sure?
>>
>> PCR wrote:
>>> http://www.winzip.com/
>>> WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>>> should things get worse after this,
>>> PCR
>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
>>>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
>>>> partition copy, as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
>>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>>>
>>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
>>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but
I
>>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
>>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of
C's
>>>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
copy).
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
>>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
>>>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all
or
>>>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
>>>> will be obliterated in the process?
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 5:49:17 AM

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Why not just post the results here, Bill?

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%237MePS6TFHA.2976@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I've got both of them. I already had Winzip but just got an updated
> xxcopy. This will be interesting. If anybody's interested in the
> results, just let me know (haven't tried either yet)
>
> Never thought of Winzip as being a "folder copy" utility though.
Just a
> zip and unzip utility.
>
> PCR wrote:
> > Yes, I just tried it. XCOPY likely can do it to.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:%23gk9jD6TFHA.1896@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in
the
> copied
> >> folders? Are you sure?
> >>
> >> PCR wrote:
> >>> http://www.winzip.com/
> >>> WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thanks or Good Luck,
> >>> There may be humor in this post, and,
> >>> Naturally, you will not sue,
> >>> should things get worse after this,
> >>> PCR
> >>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
> subfolder
> >>>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for
a
> >>>> partition copy, as follows:
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into
two
> >>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
> >>>>
> >>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy
(exactly,
> >>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D
partition, but
> I
> >>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D
partition
> >>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy
ALL of
> C's
> >>>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
> copy).
> >>>>
> >>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
> >>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it,
which is
> about
> >>>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
all
> or
> >>>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about
4 GB)
> >>>> will be obliterated in the process?
>
>
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 6:26:15 AM

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Oops! WinZip doesn't seem to actually be preserving folder dates, after
all. Sorry about that!


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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%237MePS6TFHA.2976@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| I've got both of them. I already had Winzip but just got an updated
| xxcopy. This will be interesting. If anybody's interested in the
| results, just let me know (haven't tried either yet)
|
| Never thought of Winzip as being a "folder copy" utility though.
Just a
| zip and unzip utility.
|
| PCR wrote:
| > Yes, I just tried it. XCOPY likely can do it to.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| > news:%23gk9jD6TFHA.1896@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| >> Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in
the
| copied
| >> folders? Are you sure?
| >>
| >> PCR wrote:
| >>> http://www.winzip.com/
| >>> WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>> Thanks or Good Luck,
| >>> There may be humor in this post, and,
| >>> Naturally, you will not sue,
| >>> should things get worse after this,
| >>> PCR
| >>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
| >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| >>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| >>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
| subfolder
| >>>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for
a
| >>>> partition copy, as follows:
| >>>>
| >>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into
two
| >>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
| >>>>
| >>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy
(exactly,
| >>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D
partition, but
| I
| >>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D
partition
| >>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy
ALL of
| C's
| >>>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
| copy).
| >>>>
| >>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
| >>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it,
which is
| about
| >>>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
all
| or
| >>>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about
4 GB)
| >>>> will be obliterated in the process?
|
|
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 3:06:17 PM

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Results appear to be: *nada*: Too bad. (And haven't found a utility
program yet that does this for Win9x systems - I've been looking, though)

As Rick mentioned, zzcopy apparently does NOT preserve the original folder
dates (with Win9x systems), and that's what I found too, when I tried it
once last nite.

(PCR - Winzip doesn't do it - furthermore, my version of Winzip (8) doesn't
"copy" folders, per se, as far as I can tell, although maybe you can *zip*
the whole folder, and unzip it somewhere else, if THAT is what you mean(?).
Still won't preserve folder dates)

I'm going to do a partition copy with BING later, methinks. I just gotta
look up the parameters on how to do that again. And when it's done and
I'm back up and running, I'll delete the unwanted folders on the D partition
either in Windows, or, if the directory is really huge, using DELTREE in a
dos shell - which is much faster, I think. AFAIK, windows will be happy
either way, although sometimes I wonder if using DELTREE in a dos shell
frees up the directory "space" that was being used to store the long file
names? I presume it does. (hmm...what if it were done in true DOS
mode - would it then?)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Why not just post the results here, Bill?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%237MePS6TFHA.2976@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> I've got both of them. I already had Winzip but just got an updated
>> xxcopy. This will be interesting. If anybody's interested in the
>> results, just let me know (haven't tried either yet)
>>
>> Never thought of Winzip as being a "folder copy" utility though.
>> Just a zip and unzip utility.
>>
>> PCR wrote:
>>> Yes, I just tried it. XCOPY likely can do it to.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>>> should things get worse after this,
>>> PCR
>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23gk9jD6TFHA.1896@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in the
copied
>>>> folders? Are you sure?
>>>>
>>>> PCR wrote:
>>>>> http://www.winzip.com/
>>>>> WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>>>>> should things get worse after this,
>>>>> PCR
>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
>>>>>> subfolder dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use
BING
>>>>>> for a partition copy, as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
>>>>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
>>>>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition,
but I
>>>>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
>>>>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL
of
>>>>>> C's folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
>>>>>> copy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
>>>>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
>>>>>> about 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's
an
>>>>>> all or nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition
(about
>>>>>> 4 GB) will be obliterated in the process?
May 3, 2005 3:19:11 PM

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"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:o %23cDiy7TFHA.2820@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Why not just post the results here, Bill?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%237MePS6TFHA.2976@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> I've got both of them. I already had Winzip but just got an updated
>> xxcopy. This will be interesting. If anybody's interested in the
>> results, just let me know (haven't tried either yet)
>>
>> Never thought of Winzip as being a "folder copy" utility though.
> Just a
>> zip and unzip utility.
>>
>> PCR wrote:
>> > Yes, I just tried it. XCOPY likely can do it to.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks or Good Luck,
>> > There may be humor in this post, and,
>> > Naturally, you will not sue,
>> > should things get worse after this,
>> > PCR
>> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
>> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> > news:%23gk9jD6TFHA.1896@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in
> the
>> copied
>> >> folders? Are you sure?
>> >>
>> >> PCR wrote:
>> >>> http://www.winzip.com/
>> >>> WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> >>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> >>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> >>> should things get worse after this,
>> >>> PCR
>> >>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
>> subfolder
>> >>>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for
> a
>> >>>> partition copy, as follows:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into
> two
>> >>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy
> (exactly,
>> >>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D
> partition, but
>> I
>> >>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D
> partition
>> >>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy
> ALL of
>> C's
>> >>>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
>> copy).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
> level?
>> >>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it,
> which is
>> about
>> >>>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
> all
>> or
>> >>>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about
> 4 GB)
>> >>>> will be obliterated in the process?
>>
>>
>

I just zipped a folder and subfolder ...then unzipped to another drive ...it
retained all folder dating...
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 4:06:29 PM

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Bill in Co. wrote:
> I wonder if there is an option in xcopy or (xcopy32??) running in a dos
> shell to copy all the folders and subfolders and long file names AND
> preserve the original folder and file dates??
>
> I'm guessing NOT, right?

No, at least as of a year or two ago it was not able to do that.

I just fired up the app I had to see how it would work for you, but as I was
using it I did recall even though the author told me it was for 9x, I didn't
fully work right. Certainly restoring partition images is an excellent
way, but I would think there has to be a standalone program to maintain
folder dates on a copy too ...I did at that time search high and low for one
a few years ago because I wanted W9x to be able to do that on the fly without
having to restore an image in some situations, I resolved it then by
realizing I just needed to boot to my 2K or XP partition and use:
xcopy C:\foldername\*.* D:\foldername /s
...and it worked just fine so I was all set and just did it that way and
booted back to SE. That will not work from just W9x though, sorry.

Rick
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 4:06:30 PM

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You seem to be right Rick, as I pointed out just now in my response to Gary.
I'll be going to BING here a little bit later in the day, methinks. :-)

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> I wonder if there is an option in xcopy or (xcopy32??) running in a dos
>> shell to copy all the folders and subfolders and long file names AND
>> preserve the original folder and file dates??
>>
>> I'm guessing NOT, right?
>
> No, at least as of a year or two ago it was not able to do that.
>
> I just fired up the app I had to see how it would work for you, but as I
was
> using it I did recall even though the author told me it was for 9x, I
didn't
> fully work right. Certainly restoring partition images is an excellent
> way, but I would think there has to be a standalone program to maintain
> folder dates on a copy too ...I did at that time search high and low for
one
> a few years ago because I wanted W9x to be able to do that on the fly
without
> having to restore an image in some situations, I resolved it then by
> realizing I just needed to boot to my 2K or XP partition and use:
> xcopy C:\foldername\*.* D:\foldername /s
> ...and it worked just fine so I was all set and just did it that way and
> booted back to SE. That will not work from just W9x though, sorry.
>
> Rick
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 8:19:18 PM

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Yea, yea, sorry. I guess I was batty, or I was zipping a folder of the
current date. But, damn, I'm sure-- well, damn, I thought-- I was being
cognizant of that! That, of course, was the ONE thing to be cognizant
of! Geez!

Anyway, right, WinZip will not retain original dates of folders, but
converts them to the current date. I cannot find an option in it's
screens to do it, nothing that is prominent, anyhow. (Naturally, it does
preserve original dates on the files.)

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23AWHwJAUFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
....snip...
| (PCR - Winzip doesn't do it - furthermore, my version of Winzip (8)
doesn't
| "copy" folders, per se, as far as I can tell, although maybe you can
*zip*
| the whole folder, and unzip it somewhere else, if THAT is what you
mean(?).
| Still won't preserve folder dates)
....snip...

Colorado, go get WinZip 9.0. It's free for registered users, & it
installed well. Yes, R-Clk a folder, & there are a couple of options to
zip it. By default, it will place the zipped folder into the folders
parent. But you may direct it elsewhere. Unfortunately, folder dates are
not retained, right, sorry.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Haggis" <bingsnapREMOVE@THIShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o KF9ds%23TFHA.3176@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| news:o %23cDiy7TFHA.2820@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > Why not just post the results here, Bill?
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS MVP Shell/User
| > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| >
| > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| > news:%237MePS6TFHA.2976@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| >> I've got both of them. I already had Winzip but just got an
updated
| >> xxcopy. This will be interesting. If anybody's interested in
the
| >> results, just let me know (haven't tried either yet)
| >>
| >> Never thought of Winzip as being a "folder copy" utility though.
| > Just a
| >> zip and unzip utility.
| >>
| >> PCR wrote:
| >> > Yes, I just tried it. XCOPY likely can do it to.
| >> >
| >> >
| >> > --
| >> > Thanks or Good Luck,
| >> > There may be humor in this post, and,
| >> > Naturally, you will not sue,
| >> > should things get worse after this,
| >> > PCR
| >> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| >> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| >> > news:%23gk9jD6TFHA.1896@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| >> >> Winzip copies folders and preserves the original folder dates in
| > the
| >> copied
| >> >> folders? Are you sure?
| >> >>
| >> >> PCR wrote:
| >> >>> http://www.winzip.com/
| >> >>> WinZip does that, preserving all dates.
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>> --
| >> >>> Thanks or Good Luck,
| >> >>> There may be humor in this post, and,
| >> >>> Naturally, you will not sue,
| >> >>> should things get worse after this,
| >> >>> PCR
| >> >>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
| >> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| >> >>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| >> >>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder
and
| >> subfolder
| >> >>>> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING
for
| > a
| >> >>>> partition copy, as follows:
| >> >>>>
| >> >>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into
| > two
| >> >>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
| >> >>>>
| >> >>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy
| > (exactly,
| >> >>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D
| > partition, but
| >> I
| >> >>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D
| > partition
| >> >>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I
copy
| > ALL of
| >> C's
| >> >>>> folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in
partition
| >> copy).
| >> >>>>
| >> >>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the
(BING)
| > level?
| >> >>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it,
| > which is
| >> about
| >> >>>> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's
an
| > all
| >> or
| >> >>>> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition
(about
| > 4 GB)
| >> >>>> will be obliterated in the process?
| >>
| >>
| >
|
| I just zipped a folder and subfolder ...then unzipped to another drive
....it
| retained all folder dating...
|
|
Anonymous
May 3, 2005 10:14:23 PM

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Bill in Co. wrote:

> dadiOH wrote:
>
>>Bill in Co. wrote:
>>
>>>TNX, I'll check it out. But I'm still looking a utility that does
>>>something as basic as what I asked: namely, copy folders and files
>>>while preserving the source folder and file dates, which is what any
>>>decent copy utility SHOULD do.
>>
>>No it isn't. Copy is one thing, replicate (or "image") is another. If
>>the destination doesn't *have* the folder you are copying a folder has
>>to be - guess what - created.

What then, if you right-click and *move* a folder across volumes? (i
understand that it does a copy and then deletes the original, but as a
principle.)

>>You could get around that if you copied over any of the folders you
>>periodically update when you create the source folder(s). The date
>>would be correct, time a bit off.
>>
>>What you want a copy program to do could easily lead to chaos which
>>could lead to confusion which could lead to whoops...
>
> Not to me. To me, it would do what it's *supposed* to do: make a perfect
> copy. As it is, it does NOT.

Nor to me. Under Mac OS copying a folder across volumes sets both the
creation and modification dates of the newly created copy to be the same
as the original.

Another thing that (perhaps because of my history with using Mac OS)
always bugs me is that folders /created/ during installs is the present
days date and not the date the folders had when the install was created.
And finally the same thing goes for folders archived into and then
reextracted from (zip-|cab-|rar-) archives.

Now, on that last aspect, i have used one zip- (or if it was WinRAR?)
archiver that had as an option that it could remember also modified
dates of folder. I don't remember which one but perhaps, by me
mentioning it, it jogs someone elses mind.

And i'll have to check out XXCopy that AlmostBob suggested.

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Anonymous
May 4, 2005 12:23:22 PM

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With DI2002 and its companion image explorer, I can do this easily. Make an
image, then view the contents with its explorer companion. Yes, you can
restore multiple folders/files without this crutch for viewing. With image
explorer, you don't need to restore the entire image. All time/date stamps
remain intact in the alternate partition you wish these to reside in. Image
explorer only works in windows. DI2002 is available with the DI 7.0 CD,
still on the market. Better hurry though.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
> dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
> copy, as follows:
>
> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
> size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>
> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
> the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want
to
> leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and there
> is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
> which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).
>
> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
> 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
> nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
will
> be obliterated in the process?
>
>
Anonymous
May 4, 2005 5:24:12 PM

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Lil' Dave wrote:
> With DI2002 and its companion image explorer, I can do this easily. Make
> an image, then view the contents with its explorer companion. Yes, you can
> restore multiple folders/files without this crutch for viewing. With image
> explorer, you don't need to restore the entire image. All time/date stamps
> remain intact in the alternate partition you wish these to reside in.
> Image explorer only works in windows. DI2002 is available with the DI 7.0
> CD, still on the market. Better hurry though.

Hi Lil' Dave,

I have all the versions of DI including v2002 alias v6 (although v5.01 is my
favorite) ..but the is No version of DI that can restore a 'Folder' via it's
Image Explorer and sill maintain that folders Original file date - which is
Bill's only request.

I see you enjoy to use DI too, I still exclusively use DI but only to do Disk
to Disk functions these days, however for the rest of the functions there's a
new (well first version came out 2 or 3 yrs ago) program called TrueImage..
trust me, it blows those old DI versions away by 100x not only in it's many
faceted options of its Image Explorer which actually creates a virtual drive
to explore the image and gives it its own temporary virtual drive letter
even, allowing you to open, search, browse, copy, arrange folders details..
...everything, just like you would any other drive letter and do it within the
same Windows environment... etc (no write access of course) Also you can
restore other partitions right in windows. .I could explain details if
needed. I do still love v6 (better v5) versions to use of DI though for
their simple Disk to Disk feature...

Rick



>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
>> subfolder dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING
>> for a partition copy, as follows:
>>
>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>
>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I
>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of
>> C's folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
>> copy).
>>
>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
>> about 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
>> all or nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about
>> 4 GB) will be obliterated in the process?
Anonymous
May 4, 2005 6:10:21 PM

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Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.

Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your system?
I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of it
appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the date stamps),
so I guess it is a generic BOOT disk, or else its well hidden, or possibly
the date stamps on the BOOT disk are not the "whole truth" (?)

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> Lil' Dave wrote:
>> With DI2002 and its companion image explorer, I can do this easily. Make
>> an image, then view the contents with its explorer companion. Yes, you
can
>> restore multiple folders/files without this crutch for viewing. With
image
>> explorer, you don't need to restore the entire image. All time/date
stamps
>> remain intact in the alternate partition you wish these to reside in.
>> Image explorer only works in windows. DI2002 is available with the DI
7.0
>> CD, still on the market. Better hurry though.
>
> Hi Lil' Dave,
>
> I have all the versions of DI including v2002 alias v6 (although v5.01 is
my
> favorite) ..but the is No version of DI that can restore a 'Folder' via
it's
> Image Explorer and sill maintain that folders Original file date - which
is
> Bill's only request.
>
> I see you enjoy to use DI too, I still exclusively use DI but only to do
Disk
> to Disk functions these days, however for the rest of the functions
there's a
> new (well first version came out 2 or 3 yrs ago) program called
TrueImage..
> trust me, it blows those old DI versions away by 100x not only in it's
many
> faceted options of its Image Explorer which actually creates a virtual
drive
> to explore the image and gives it its own temporary virtual drive letter
> even, allowing you to open, search, browse, copy, arrange folders
details..
> ..everything, just like you would any other drive letter and do it within
the
> same Windows environment... etc (no write access of course) Also you can
> restore other partitions right in windows. .I could explain details if
> needed. I do still love v6 (better v5) versions to use of DI though for
> their simple Disk to Disk feature...
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
>>> subfolder dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING
>>> for a partition copy, as follows:
>>>
>>> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
>>> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
>>>
>>> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
>>> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I
>>> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
>>> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of
>>> C's folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
>>> copy).
>>>
>>> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
>>> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
>>> about 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
>>> all or nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about
>>> 4 GB) will be obliterated in the process?
Anonymous
May 5, 2005 3:01:59 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Right you are. It only maintains file date stamp properties, not folders.
The time/date stamp of folders is at the time/date of the image instead.
"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:e7MUgCNUFHA.1044@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Lil' Dave wrote:
> > With DI2002 and its companion image explorer, I can do this easily.
Make
> > an image, then view the contents with its explorer companion. Yes, you
can
> > restore multiple folders/files without this crutch for viewing. With
image
> > explorer, you don't need to restore the entire image. All time/date
stamps
> > remain intact in the alternate partition you wish these to reside in.
> > Image explorer only works in windows. DI2002 is available with the DI
7.0
> > CD, still on the market. Better hurry though.
>
> Hi Lil' Dave,
>
> I have all the versions of DI including v2002 alias v6 (although v5.01 is
my
> favorite) ..but the is No version of DI that can restore a 'Folder' via
it's
> Image Explorer and sill maintain that folders Original file date - which
is
> Bill's only request.
>
> I see you enjoy to use DI too, I still exclusively use DI but only to do
Disk
> to Disk functions these days, however for the rest of the functions
there's a
> new (well first version came out 2 or 3 yrs ago) program called
TrueImage..
> trust me, it blows those old DI versions away by 100x not only in it's
many
> faceted options of its Image Explorer which actually creates a virtual
drive
> to explore the image and gives it its own temporary virtual drive letter
> even, allowing you to open, search, browse, copy, arrange folders
details..
> ..everything, just like you would any other drive letter and do it within
the
> same Windows environment... etc (no write access of course) Also you can
> restore other partitions right in windows. .I could explain details if
> needed. I do still love v6 (better v5) versions to use of DI though for
> their simple Disk to Disk feature...
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> >
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:eGoulkzTFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
> >> subfolder dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING
> >> for a partition copy, as follows:
> >>
> >> Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
> >> IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).
> >>
> >> I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
> >> including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but
I
> >> also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
> >> untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of
> >> C's folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
> >> copy).
> >>
> >> Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
> >> That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
> >> about 10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
> >> all or nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition
(about
> >> 4 GB) will be obliterated in the process?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 5, 2005 5:40:08 PM

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Lil' Dave wrote:

[..]
> The time/date stamp of folders is at the time/date of the image instead.

If you extract that folder from the image via the 'Image Explorer' ..the
folder date 'will now be the current date' and not the date that the image
was made nor the original date of the folder. ..no biggy, just wanted to be
accurate with that. I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.

Rick
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 12:59:59 PM

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"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
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> Lil' Dave wrote:
>
> [..]
> > The time/date stamp of folders is at the time/date of the image instead.
>
> If you extract that folder from the image via the 'Image Explorer' ..the
> folder date 'will now be the current date' and not the date that the image
> was made nor the original date of the folder. ..no biggy, just wanted to
be
> accurate with that. I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.
>
> Rick


Now I have to disagree. Just did what you described using DI2002's / 6.0's
ImageExplorer. The folders extracted are the same time/date as the image
file. Internally, viewing the folders with ImageExplorer, the time/date is
exactly the same, the time/date of the image file.
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 3:17:10 PM

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Lil' Dave wrote:
> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:elAhEwZUFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Lil' Dave wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>> > The time/date stamp of folders is at the time/date of the image instead.
>>
>> If you extract that folder from the image via the 'Image Explorer' ..the
>> folder date 'will now be the current date' and not the date that the image
>> was made nor the original date of the folder. ..no biggy, just wanted to
>> be accurate with that. I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.
>>
>> Rick
>

> Now I have to disagree. Just did what you described using DI2002's / 6.0's
> ImageExplorer. The folders extracted are the same time/date as the image
> file. Internally, viewing the folders with ImageExplorer, the time/date is
> exactly the same, the time/date of the image file.

Let's put it this way then.

Whether using Any version of DriveImage, or TrueImage, on FAT32 partitions
anyway, and whatever is restored from any of their ImageExplorer programs,
the folder date always reflects a 'newly created' folder date and so always
reflects the current time.

Also when internally viewing inside of any Image Explorer it shows not the
date that the partition image was made you said above, but naturally shows
the Original creation date of Any item was made whenever. After all it's a
partition imager and so that's what it does - copies everything byte for
byte, exactly the same as it originally was. I for the life me don't
understand why you are saying different?

There is no Archiver that has been made, tikoa, that when uzip'd, unrar'd,
or whatever, does anything different - when extracted, Folder dates always
reflect current time - no different than what Image Explorer does; it's
simply the same thing but just a specialized archiver anyway.

Are you doing something different? I'm sincerely curious about what it is.
We are in a 9x forum here so I assume you are on 9x ?

You know what.. as mentioned I currently have v5.1 of DI installed not that
it matters, but let me boot over and re-install the v6 version again on my
test partition since I've gots other stuff to do there anyway, but I'll make
an image and restore some folders out of it and see if by chance for the sake
of exactness here, v6 did something that I just did not remember last time I
used that version.. be back later after I finish other work there..
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 3:27:25 PM

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I'm reposting this in hopes that someone knows the answer..

Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.

Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your
system?
I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of it
appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the time date
stamps of what appears on that disk), so I guess it is just a generic BOOT
disk, or else the specific system info (of the system being partitioned) is
hidden.
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 3:27:26 PM

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What the heck is BING.
I did a google search on BING and cannot find any computer related products.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I'm reposting this in hopes that someone knows the answer..
>
> Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
> think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.
>
> Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your
> system?
> I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of
> it
> appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the time date
> stamps of what appears on that disk), so I guess it is just a generic BOOT
> disk, or else the specific system info (of the system being partitioned)
> is
> hidden.
>
>
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 3:33:53 PM

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...I booted over and installed v6.
I quickly created an image, when done went into the 'Image Explorer' and as
expected All dates of anything in there is the date of their original
creation and not the date of the image was made; also from right there
restoring folders from it, here again as mentioned, when restored via Image
Explorer all the restored folders get 'newly created' and therefore always
reflect the current time; files of course always maintain original file dates
but this whole thread is talking about Folder dates.

Rick
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 6:24:19 PM

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Richard Goh wrote:
> What the heck is BING.
> I did a google search on BING and cannot find any computer related
> products.

It's the letter initials of this program
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 6:30:46 PM

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Bill in Co. wrote:
> I'm reposting this in hopes that someone knows the answer..
>
> Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
> think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.
>
> Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your
> system?
> I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of it
> appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the time date
> stamps of what appears on that disk), so I guess it is just a generic BOOT
> disk, or else the specific system info (of the system being partitioned) is
> hidden.

All partition imager boot disks are a boot disk only to boot it's own files,
and so in that sense it's generic as you say, but it does not contain
anything to do with your system. In other words, I could take my True Image
boot disk or my Drive Image boot disk and use it on yours, or any other W98,
W2K, WXP, etc, system.

Rick
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 6:30:47 PM

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Rick Chauvin wrote:
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> I'm reposting this in hopes that someone knows the answer..
>>
>> Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
>> think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.
>>
>> Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your
>> system?
>> I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of
it
>> appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the time date
>> stamps of what appears on that disk), so I guess it is just a generic
BOOT
>> disk, or else the specific system info (of the system being partitioned)
is
>> hidden.
>
> All partition imager boot disks are a boot disk only to boot it's own
files,
> and so in that sense it's generic as you say, but it does not contain
> anything to do with your system. In other words, I could take my True
Image
> boot disk or my Drive Image boot disk and use it on yours, or any other
W98,
> W2K, WXP, etc, system.
>
> Rick

OK, thanks for that info Rick. Now I don't have to worry about ever
"updating" the BING Boot disk!
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 7:25:58 PM

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"Richard Goh" <me@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> What the heck is BING.
> I did a google search on BING and cannot find any computer related
products.
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:o 6YLgDmUFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > I'm reposting this in hopes that someone knows the answer..
> >
> > Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
> > think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.
> >
> > Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your
> > system?
> > I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of
> > it
> > appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the time date
> > stamps of what appears on that disk), so I guess it is just a generic
BOOT
> > disk, or else the specific system info (of the system being partitioned)
> > is
> > hidden.
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
May 7, 2005 1:57:26 AM

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:o 6YLgDmUFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I'm reposting this in hopes that someone knows the answer..

I'm not sure I understand the question, Bill.. but maybe this will
help?


> Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
> think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.
>
> Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your
> system?

BING doesn't put any system specific information on the floppy boot disk.
It's all gathered in real time from the BIOS and the disk(s).


> I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of it
> appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the time date
> stamps of what appears on that disk), so I guess it is just a generic BOOT
> disk,

One big difference is that BING doesn't need an OS (i.e. MSDOS, 4DOS, etc),
and handles its own program load, memory management, device I/O, its "GUI",
and *file system. It's basically its own self contained OS, that will only
run one program.

*If you install it to the HD in its own partition it will mark the partition
with its own type marker, but if you change the type byte to FAT, you can
read the volume from DOS or Windows. So even though it handles its own
file I/O it uses the FAT model.


> or else the specific system info (of the system being partitioned) is
> hidden.

Partition information is all gathered from the partition tables.
Anonymous
May 7, 2005 2:59:41 AM

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Thanks.

I think I can look at it as something like a mini-DOS (like) bootup disk,
except it's not DOS, but it's BING, of course, and that "op system" is
dedicated to doing hard disk management. That's probably a good
analogy.

Bill Blanton wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:o 6YLgDmUFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> I'm reposting this in hopes that someone knows the answer..
>
> I'm not sure I understand the question, Bill.. but maybe this will
> help?
>
>
>> Well, I used BING to copy the partition, and of course THAT worked. I
>> think it's the only way it can be done - down at that low level.
>>
>> Incidentally, just what does BING put on that boot floppy about your
>> system?
>
> BING doesn't put any system specific information on the floppy boot disk.
> It's all gathered in real time from the BIOS and the disk(s).
>
>
>> I looked at the files and date stamps on BING's boot floppy, and none of
it
>> appears to have anything to do with my system (looking at the time date
>> stamps of what appears on that disk), so I guess it is just a generic
BOOT
>> disk,
>
> One big difference is that BING doesn't need an OS (i.e. MSDOS, 4DOS,
etc),
> and handles its own program load, memory management, device I/O, its
"GUI",
> and *file system. It's basically its own self contained OS, that will only
> run one program.
>
> *If you install it to the HD in its own partition it will mark the
partition
> with its own type marker, but if you change the type byte to FAT, you can
> read the volume from DOS or Windows. So even though it handles its own
> file I/O it uses the FAT model.
>
>
>> or else the specific system info (of the system being partitioned) is
>> hidden.
>
> Partition information is all gathered from the partition tables.
Anonymous
May 7, 2005 12:37:03 PM

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Am simply using DI2002's imageexplorer, opening an image file with it, right
clicking a folder within that image file, and restoring to a location of my
choice. The imagefile contains this current boot partition. In this case,
a FAT32 partition that I only use as a target for downloads is the target
for folder restoration. If it makes any difference, am opening
imageexplorer from the menu, rather than within DI2002 itself.

What:
The image files time/date stamps vary from Jan to May of this year. Yes, I
image often and have plenty of freespace. Am using ImageExplorer version
2002 build ImgExpDi60.041. DI2002 came with DI7.0, this was not a
standalone package. DI2002 is installed with this install CD. DI2002's
ImageExplorer exe version could not be resolved within the program, windows
explorer says its version 1.0.0.1 (driveimage9x.exe).

How:
While I am using DI2002's imageexplorer, viewing all the folders, everyone
of them, lack an internal time/date stamp. I restored the folder
"IntelPro", from the root directory within the image file to the E:
partition. The restored folder's time/date stamp corresponded with the
image file's time/date stamp containing the folder as part of the image.
Not the current time/date of the folder restoration. Don't believe in
magic, so would suggest somethng is highly different between our 2 PCs.

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
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> ..I booted over and installed v6.
> I quickly created an image, when done went into the 'Image Explorer' and
as
> expected All dates of anything in there is the date of their original
> creation and not the date of the image was made; also from right there
> restoring folders from it, here again as mentioned, when restored via
Image
> Explorer all the restored folders get 'newly created' and therefore always
> reflect the current time; files of course always maintain original file
dates
> but this whole thread is talking about Folder dates.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
Anonymous
May 7, 2005 6:43:30 PM

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Lil' Dave wrote:
> Am simply using DI2002's imageexplorer, opening an image file with it,
> right clicking a folder within that image file, and restoring to a
> location of my choice. The imagefile contains this current boot
> partition. In this case, a FAT32 partition that I only use as a target
> for downloads is the target for folder restoration. If it makes any
> difference, am opening imageexplorer from the menu, rather than within
> DI2002 itself.

Yes whether from the Menu, or if double clicking the backup ..pqi file.
It's the same thing for me or you.

> What:
> The image files time/date stamps vary from Jan to May of this year. Yes, I
> image often and have plenty of freespace. Am using ImageExplorer version
> 2002 build ImgExpDi60.041. DI2002 came with DI7.0, this was not a

When I look in the About box here's a copy/paste of what my says:
PowerQuest ImageExplorer
Version 2002 build ImgExpDi60.041
Copyright © 1994-2002 PowerQuest Corporation. All rights reserved.

I see it matches yours then.

I did not specifically install it off the CD though but no matter because I
assume the end result install is the same.. I never wanted DIv7 since
ir forces a required .NET install and no way in heaven would I install that
on my main machine; on a test drive then no problem.
Since they forced a .NET install on v7 I dropped Powerquest like a hot
potato; although I have them all I only prefer to use v5.01 coupled with
TrueImage v6.0.350 ..fussy am I said yoda.
TrueImage compared to DriveImage is light years ahead anyway.

Did you have DI v7 installed with .NET along with DI v6?
I wonder if .NET is doing something..


> standalone package. DI2002 is installed with this install CD. DI2002's
> ImageExplorer exe version could not be resolved within the program, windows

Image Explorer model # is in the About box, but you gave me that.

> explorer says its version 1.0.0.1 (driveimage9x.exe).

The file date on my DriveImage9x.exe is:
4, 9, 2002 4:22PM 5,193 KB
I can't find a model number either no matter where I look on the GUI's of the
program..

> How:
> While I am using DI2002's imageexplorer, viewing all the folders, everyone
> of them, lack an internal time/date stamp. I restored the folder

Yes that's correct, DI does not show folder dates inside the ImageExplorer
but only on files (TrueImage does though) ..but you know what the folder
dates are in Image Explorer because when you actually restore the partition
image it's whatever the original folder date was, same as will everything
else be the original date not of the days date you make the backup pqi image
file, but the actually original date of whenever Everything originally was..

> "IntelPro", from the root directory within the image file to the E:
> partition. The restored folder's time/date stamp corresponded with the
> image file's time/date stamp containing the folder as part of the image.
> Not the current time/date of the folder restoration.

This is hard for me to believe that, but you are very talented Dave and so I
have no reason not to believe you.

The only way the folder will retain it's original file date is if you
actually restore the whole partition itself, otherwise it does not. I'd love
to see your setup or know what you have different, or if you installed .NET
if that has anything to do with it I have no idea.

> Don't believe in magic, so would suggest somethng is highly different
> between our 2 PCs.

Yep, anyway we've spent enough time on this :) 
...gotta get back to work but it's been an interesting tidbit..
Let me know k whenever you find out.

take care,

Rick



>
> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:o otX0ElUFHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> ..I booted over and installed v6.
>> I quickly created an image, when done went into the 'Image Explorer' and
>> as expected All dates of anything in there is the date of their original
>> creation and not the date of the image was made; also from right there
>> restoring folders from it, here again as mentioned, when restored via
>> Image Explorer all the restored folders get 'newly created' and therefore
>> always reflect the current time; files of course always maintain original
>> file dates but this whole thread is talking about Folder dates.
>>
>> Rick
Anonymous
May 8, 2005 4:01:38 PM

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Lil' Dave wrote:

> DI2002 (version 6) is installed only, in this 2nd boot partition of
> Win98SE. .
> DI version 7.0 is installed on the 3rd boot partition in XP HE. MS has a
> critical update out on the NET framework. Yes, its very recent.
>
> DI 7.0, 7.01, or 7.03 (Symantec update) will not install on 98/98SE
> operating system partition to my knowledge.

That's true but NET can be, and so it was a longshot but I was just
wondering at that moment if somehow NET was installed on your SE partition.
I was only grasping at straws there though at what in the world is making
your system do what's it's doing... anyway no doubt .NET on 9x wouldn't do
that though.

Ah, but you may have said the answer above. You say you've got WXP installed
on your other partition? I do and have all three WXPro\W2Kpro\98SE, but
importantly to me they are all FAT32; and so if your WXP is NTFS and you
can't see your other partitions from one to the other like FAT32 can, then
it's possible that the FAT/NTFS combination is why somehow... just a guess
though...

Rick
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