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My win 98se pc1 was working in good condition, however, in order to test the
graphic card from another pc2, I inserted into this working pc, it boots up
ok. I can see the window logo and its then says "ESCD updating successful"
which I then power off the pc.( I suppose I should have waited until desktop
ha)

I then put back my own graphic card but to surprise, when I boot up, there
is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor blinking.( Now I have 2 non
working pc). I try to boot pc1 using boot disk but no success. I suppose it
was not set to boot from A. With nothing on the screen what can I do nes,
pls help
 
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I'm not a hardware expert so I searched the Internet for "ESCD
updating". I found various sites. This site explains what ESCD means--
http://www.pcguide.com/ts/x/sys/booterrGBER23-c.html

This site suggests ways to troubleshoot your situation
http://www.pcguide.com/ts/x/comp/mbsys/sys_ExpansionCards.htm

This site --
http://www.helpwithwindows.com/windows95/troub-40.html
Suggests trying to access CMOS and reset the ESCD.

This thread --
http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-42416.html
implies that you will need to erase and reset the CMOS.

This message --
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Q_20064338.html
describes a situation like yours and the troubles someone had.


Bill Starbuck (MVP)
 
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If there's nothing on the display at all, not even the initial startup
screen that shows the hardware configuration and memory count, then check
that you have re-inserted the card correctly, and that the monitor is
properly connected.

If that checks out OK change back to the other video card and make sure you
can get the startup screen with that card. If you can, that suggests that
the change has damaged the original video card.

If you get past the initial startup screen and Windows starts to load, try
starting in safe mode (press and hold Ctrl before Windows starts to load,
and select safe mode from the menu that appears).
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A4CA9317-12E3-40FB-AA44-E9AC9EA10EE7@microsoft.com...
> My win 98se pc1 was working in good condition, however, in order to test
> the
> graphic card from another pc2, I inserted into this working pc, it boots
> up
> ok. I can see the window logo and its then says "ESCD updating successful"
> which I then power off the pc.( I suppose I should have waited until
> desktop
> ha)
>
> I then put back my own graphic card but to surprise, when I boot up, there
> is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor blinking.( Now I have 2 non
> working pc). I try to boot pc1 using boot disk but no success. I suppose
> it
> was not set to boot from A. With nothing on the screen what can I do nes,
> pls help
 

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Many thanks for the response. Mange to get my own pc going now.

On the non working pc, its own graphic card is ok (since when I put into
mine, it show up). Also that confirms the connection/wiring to the monitor
is ok.
I change the ram (and play around the slots) and still the pc does not work.
There is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor. When I power on the pc,
the hdd light show up for a while and then disappear and nothing on the
screen.

I then tried to use another hdd (with the operating system in it), still it
does not work. I resit the cpu, the situation remains the same (cpu fan
working). What can I do next....

"Jeff Richards" wrote:

> If there's nothing on the display at all, not even the initial startup
> screen that shows the hardware configuration and memory count, then check
> that you have re-inserted the card correctly, and that the monitor is
> properly connected.
>
> If that checks out OK change back to the other video card and make sure you
> can get the startup screen with that card. If you can, that suggests that
> the change has damaged the original video card.
>
> If you get past the initial startup screen and Windows starts to load, try
> starting in safe mode (press and hold Ctrl before Windows starts to load,
> and select safe mode from the menu that appears).
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A4CA9317-12E3-40FB-AA44-E9AC9EA10EE7@microsoft.com...
> > My win 98se pc1 was working in good condition, however, in order to test
> > the
> > graphic card from another pc2, I inserted into this working pc, it boots
> > up
> > ok. I can see the window logo and its then says "ESCD updating successful"
> > which I then power off the pc.( I suppose I should have waited until
> > desktop
> > ha)
> >
> > I then put back my own graphic card but to surprise, when I boot up, there
> > is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor blinking.( Now I have 2 non
> > working pc). I try to boot pc1 using boot disk but no success. I suppose
> > it
> > was not set to boot from A. With nothing on the screen what can I do nes,
> > pls help
>
>
>
 
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You can strip the machine down to the absolute minimum - video card and
keyboard, and the fewest RAM modules it needs for a valid configuration..
If you can't get the initial display when you know the video card is OK,
then the CPU, RAM or power supply is faulty. The hard drive light flashing
does not indicate CPU activity, but if the keyboard lights flash, that
indicates that the CPU is at least running.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AEF9EBBD-E19C-4746-B1FA-9A7638C092D9@microsoft.com...
> Many thanks for the response. Mange to get my own pc going now.
>
> On the non working pc, its own graphic card is ok (since when I put into
> mine, it show up). Also that confirms the connection/wiring to the
> monitor
> is ok.
> I change the ram (and play around the slots) and still the pc does not
> work.
> There is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor. When I power on the
> pc,
> the hdd light show up for a while and then disappear and nothing on the
> screen.
>
> I then tried to use another hdd (with the operating system in it), still
> it
> does not work. I resit the cpu, the situation remains the same (cpu fan
> working). What can I do next....
>
> "Jeff Richards" wrote:
>
>> If there's nothing on the display at all, not even the initial startup
>> screen that shows the hardware configuration and memory count, then check
>> that you have re-inserted the card correctly, and that the monitor is
>> properly connected.
>>
>> If that checks out OK change back to the other video card and make sure
>> you
>> can get the startup screen with that card. If you can, that suggests
>> that
>> the change has damaged the original video card.
>>
>> If you get past the initial startup screen and Windows starts to load,
>> try
>> starting in safe mode (press and hold Ctrl before Windows starts to load,
>> and select safe mode from the menu that appears).
>> --
>> Jeff Richards
>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>> "jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:A4CA9317-12E3-40FB-AA44-E9AC9EA10EE7@microsoft.com...
>> > My win 98se pc1 was working in good condition, however, in order to
>> > test
>> > the
>> > graphic card from another pc2, I inserted into this working pc, it
>> > boots
>> > up
>> > ok. I can see the window logo and its then says "ESCD updating
>> > successful"
>> > which I then power off the pc.( I suppose I should have waited until
>> > desktop
>> > ha)
>> >
>> > I then put back my own graphic card but to surprise, when I boot up,
>> > there
>> > is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor blinking.( Now I have 2
>> > non
>> > working pc). I try to boot pc1 using boot disk but no success. I
>> > suppose
>> > it
>> > was not set to boot from A. With nothing on the screen what can I do
>> > nes,
>> > pls help
>>
>>
>>
 
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I would submit the possibility that the BIOS chip, itself, has gotten
corrupted. Just a possibility, but one to consider. I seem to recall
similar symptoms from a botched flash job (the ever-feared power outage
in the middle of the job), and replacing the BIOS chip was the solution
that worked.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:OhRbS%23dUFHA.584@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> You can strip the machine down to the absolute minimum - video card
and
> keyboard, and the fewest RAM modules it needs for a valid
configuration..
> If you can't get the initial display when you know the video card is
OK,
> then the CPU, RAM or power supply is faulty. The hard drive light
flashing
> does not indicate CPU activity, but if the keyboard lights flash, that
> indicates that the CPU is at least running.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:AEF9EBBD-E19C-4746-B1FA-9A7638C092D9@microsoft.com...
> > Many thanks for the response. Mange to get my own pc going now.
> >
> > On the non working pc, its own graphic card is ok (since when I put
into
> > mine, it show up). Also that confirms the connection/wiring to the
> > monitor
> > is ok.
> > I change the ram (and play around the slots) and still the pc does
not
> > work.
> > There is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor. When I power on
the
> > pc,
> > the hdd light show up for a while and then disappear and nothing on
the
> > screen.
> >
> > I then tried to use another hdd (with the operating system in it),
still
> > it
> > does not work. I resit the cpu, the situation remains the same (cpu
fan
> > working). What can I do next....
> >
> > "Jeff Richards" wrote:
> >
> >> If there's nothing on the display at all, not even the initial
startup
> >> screen that shows the hardware configuration and memory count, then
check
> >> that you have re-inserted the card correctly, and that the monitor
is
> >> properly connected.
> >>
> >> If that checks out OK change back to the other video card and make
sure
> >> you
> >> can get the startup screen with that card. If you can, that
suggests
> >> that
> >> the change has damaged the original video card.
> >>
> >> If you get past the initial startup screen and Windows starts to
load,
> >> try
> >> starting in safe mode (press and hold Ctrl before Windows starts to
load,
> >> and select safe mode from the menu that appears).
> >> --
> >> Jeff Richards
> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> >> "jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:A4CA9317-12E3-40FB-AA44-E9AC9EA10EE7@microsoft.com...
> >> > My win 98se pc1 was working in good condition, however, in order
to
> >> > test
> >> > the
> >> > graphic card from another pc2, I inserted into this working pc,
it
> >> > boots
> >> > up
> >> > ok. I can see the window logo and its then says "ESCD updating
> >> > successful"
> >> > which I then power off the pc.( I suppose I should have waited
until
> >> > desktop
> >> > ha)
> >> >
> >> > I then put back my own graphic card but to surprise, when I boot
up,
> >> > there
> >> > is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor blinking.( Now I
have 2
> >> > non
> >> > working pc). I try to boot pc1 using boot disk but no success. I
> >> > suppose
> >> > it
> >> > was not set to boot from A. With nothing on the screen what can
I do
> >> > nes,
> >> > pls help
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
 

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The kb light come on and gone when I power on, so guess the hdd is ok.
The ps (max 250w) and I change to max 400w, the situation remains the same
although the kb light remains on all the time.
But the funny thing is when using the new ps and when I on the wall switch
(without button on the casing power button), the cpu fan starts to work,
while if I use the old ps, it does not start until I press the casing button.
Does this indicates anything?

I also strip to bare only with cpu,1 ram, graphic card, (with original ps)
situation remains the same.

gray, how can I replace the bios chip?

many thanks to you guys.

"Jeff Richards" wrote:

> You can strip the machine down to the absolute minimum - video card and
> keyboard, and the fewest RAM modules it needs for a valid configuration..
> If you can't get the initial display when you know the video card is OK,
> then the CPU, RAM or power supply is faulty. The hard drive light flashing
> does not indicate CPU activity, but if the keyboard lights flash, that
> indicates that the CPU is at least running.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:AEF9EBBD-E19C-4746-B1FA-9A7638C092D9@microsoft.com...
> > Many thanks for the response. Mange to get my own pc going now.
> >
> > On the non working pc, its own graphic card is ok (since when I put into
> > mine, it show up). Also that confirms the connection/wiring to the
> > monitor
> > is ok.
> > I change the ram (and play around the slots) and still the pc does not
> > work.
> > There is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor. When I power on the
> > pc,
> > the hdd light show up for a while and then disappear and nothing on the
> > screen.
> >
> > I then tried to use another hdd (with the operating system in it), still
> > it
> > does not work. I resit the cpu, the situation remains the same (cpu fan
> > working). What can I do next....
> >
> > "Jeff Richards" wrote:
> >
> >> If there's nothing on the display at all, not even the initial startup
> >> screen that shows the hardware configuration and memory count, then check
> >> that you have re-inserted the card correctly, and that the monitor is
> >> properly connected.
> >>
> >> If that checks out OK change back to the other video card and make sure
> >> you
> >> can get the startup screen with that card. If you can, that suggests
> >> that
> >> the change has damaged the original video card.
> >>
> >> If you get past the initial startup screen and Windows starts to load,
> >> try
> >> starting in safe mode (press and hold Ctrl before Windows starts to load,
> >> and select safe mode from the menu that appears).
> >> --
> >> Jeff Richards
> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> >> "jack" <jack@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:A4CA9317-12E3-40FB-AA44-E9AC9EA10EE7@microsoft.com...
> >> > My win 98se pc1 was working in good condition, however, in order to
> >> > test
> >> > the
> >> > graphic card from another pc2, I inserted into this working pc, it
> >> > boots
> >> > up
> >> > ok. I can see the window logo and its then says "ESCD updating
> >> > successful"
> >> > which I then power off the pc.( I suppose I should have waited until
> >> > desktop
> >> > ha)
> >> >
> >> > I then put back my own graphic card but to surprise, when I boot up,
> >> > there
> >> > is nothing on the screen, not even the cursor blinking.( Now I have 2
> >> > non
> >> > working pc). I try to boot pc1 using boot disk but no success. I
> >> > suppose
> >> > it
> >> > was not set to boot from A. With nothing on the screen what can I do
> >> > nes,
> >> > pls help
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
 
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I would hope that the ESCD is stored in its own page, so that an update
interruption would not affect any other part of BIOS, but it's possible. Or
perhaps the failure to finish the ESCD update was actually the first symptom
of a problem with the BIOS.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:ebVaYQeUFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>I would submit the possibility that the BIOS chip, itself, has gotten
> corrupted. Just a possibility, but one to consider. I seem to recall
> similar symptoms from a botched flash job (the ever-feared power outage
> in the middle of the job), and replacing the BIOS chip was the solution
> that worked.