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Would an old XP2800+ benefit from a better GPU?

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April 27, 2006 9:35:20 PM

Current system:

Athlon XP 2800+ {2.08ghz}
XFX 5900XT
512mb Corsair Twin XMS PC3200
Asus A7N8X

Been thinking of upgrading to an AMD 64 3700, 7600GT and upping the RAM to 1gb. Total spend c£450.

However, what leaving my system as it is and getting the AGP 7800GS at c£200

I'm guessing my CPU would not rise to the challenge!

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April 28, 2006 5:17:09 AM

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Current system:

Athlon XP 2800+ {2.08ghz}
XFX 5900XT
512mb Corsair Twin XMS PC3200
Asus A7N8X

Been thinking of upgrading to an AMD 64 3700, 7600GT and upping the RAM to 1gb. Total spend c£450.

However, what leaving my system as it is and getting the AGP 7800GS at c£200

I'm guessing my CPU would not rise to the challenge!


Your CPU was certainly be the bottleneck there and AGP is dead tech.
April 28, 2006 6:07:14 AM

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our CPU was certainly be the bottleneck there and AGP is dead tech.

Hehe , Funny ... But I Don`t Think So , The Athlon XP 2800+ Is Not A Bottleneck , & It Can OverClock To 3200+ Speed ... & Discord You WILL See A Huge Different If You Change Your Video Card To A 7800GS Or X850XT ... :twisted:
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April 28, 2006 6:42:18 AM

Check my specs in sig, I upgraded from a 6800 and made a HUGE difference, from a 5900xt? An insane boost.
April 28, 2006 6:46:00 AM

Sorry for double post... However, upgrading to a new platform would be huge, new mobo + 7600gt + 3700 + 1gb of some crucial value DDR is cheap and would last alot longer in terms of upgrade then a single videocard upgrade, if you buy the videocard you'll need to upgrade in 3-6months if you wana be able to play all games anyway... infact my 7800gs strugles with Oblivion as it is. (high quality, 0aa, 0af, no HDR, 1024x768 is usually ~25fps outdoors with draw distance far, however a 7600gt probably wont do much better, however, when DX10 comes out then it would be a good time spend a small fortune on a videocard)
April 28, 2006 7:32:04 AM

DX10 isn't coming out for ages so don't bother waiting with an outdated system for months and months.

Just go to eBuyer and spend your £450 on CPU, graphics, mobo and RAM. You should be able to get CPU, RAM and Mobo for around £250, and that leaves £200 for a graphics card.
April 28, 2006 8:05:12 AM

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DX10 isn't coming out for ages so don't bother waiting with an outdated system for months and months.


lol read my entire post before you respond dude. I said that If he bought a new motherboard, cpu, ram, and videocard that he should get a 7600gt, or something equal, and spend a little more on the videocard when DX10 cards become available, considering DX10 is gunna be out Q4 this year with Vista (Hopefully), thats not a terribly long time... 5-6months? Thats not that long and a 7600gt could pull you through that time. And I realise my grammer sucks, just lazy I guess :p .
April 28, 2006 9:05:33 AM

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however, when DX10 comes out then it would be a good time spend a small fortune on a videocard


That sounds like a reccommendation to me, but whatever.

Vista isn't coming out this year - Q1 2007. That's not 5-6 months that's more like 9 months away, that's the best part of a year - and I don't think I need to tell you what a year is in technology terms.
April 28, 2006 1:59:20 PM

I think so and it is a relatively cheap investment to boost performance

PNY 6800gs $183 shipped @ monarch

Then you can "wait for conroe" as they say and at that time get a dual-core opty or X2 with the venerable ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 Socket 939 ULi M1695 so you can use the 6800 until DX10 cards are fully deployed.
April 28, 2006 2:41:34 PM

in that case, if i were you i'd upgrade the entire system.
if you spend 200 on an agp card will make you spend more money in the future when you upgrade to a new platform.
a 7800 on your system seems dumb... maybe a midrange card like a 6800 or x8x0 would fit better
April 28, 2006 3:00:27 PM

I agree with doolittle that the 6800GS is a good upgrade choice. I went from a 6600GT to a 6800GS as my final AGP upgrade before I build a completely new system sometime after Vista comes out. So far I'm very happy with my BFG card (and as a side note, I would avoid PNY and get some other brand of 6800GS because of their poor customer service).
I also think that you should get another 512MB of RAM if you can. Moving from a 5900XT to a 6800GS and doubling your RAM will be like night and day in comparison.
April 28, 2006 3:09:30 PM

really depends on the game played, if you want to play Oblivion, FEAR or BF2 it will be extremely painful on the FX5900XT.

For $200, you get a 3x boost in GPU performance and would be at least to play it 800x600 crippled. A boost in memory would be equally beneficial and relatively inexpensive, and reuseable in a s939 upgrade - and with the ASrock dual mobo nothing goes to waste in a piecemeal upgrade.

Although a $800 complete upgrade is not a bad idea by all means, just not as easy on the wallet.
April 28, 2006 3:13:43 PM

yeah, but considering $200 is about half a total upgrade, including a card that will kick 5900's ass, i guess it's not worth... even worse because he would have to buy a new card in a future upgrade

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and with the ASrock dual mobo nothing goes to waste in a piecemeal upgrade

yeah, considering that way is a good choice :) 

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oh, you were saying about 6800? if so, i agree with you... like i said it would fit better than the 7800, although a 7800 and a future asrock dual looks cool too.
but in my opinion, between a 200$ 7800 agp and a 450$ total upgrade i would go for the upgrade
April 28, 2006 3:43:52 PM

You should be able to find a X800GTO, possibly a X800XL, or a 6800GS AND add another 512 MB to your existing system for around the price of that 7800GS. It will hold you over until this whole AM2/Conroe/Vista/DX10 debacle gets settled. Then blow your wad on a new system.

Depending on your cooling setup, overclocking that 2800+ might be a good idea as well.

If you want a new machine, then what you spec'd looks reasonable.
April 28, 2006 4:23:31 PM

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between a 200$ 7800 agp and a 450$ total upgrade i would go for the upgrade


I think he is in UK pounds so it is around double for USD so ~$400 for the best AGP and ~$900 for a whole re-gut.
April 28, 2006 4:28:06 PM

sorry, by $ i mean "currency", as i dont have the pound character on my keyboard...
April 28, 2006 4:35:01 PM

7800GS = £190

CPU, Mobo, RAM, Graphics = £500

It's almost certainly cheaper to order from the USA with the pound so strong at the moment - if only Newegg delivered internationally.
April 28, 2006 4:46:54 PM

I currently run an Athlon XP 2800+ and have just upgraded from a Radeon 9600XT to a Radeon X850. The card cost me about $200 US on eBay and my framerate as a result, has at the very least doubled in games that demand performance, such as Doom3, Farcry, FEAR etc. Do I think it was worth it? Yes, I do. If you can overclock your CPU (I can to well over a 3200+ but feel no need to do so right now) then that's a relatively inexpensive upgrade as well. An upgrade to 1GB of RAM is definitely worth it in any case and highly recommended.

Hope that helped!
April 28, 2006 4:55:01 PM

BFG 6800GS £164.38 Inc VAT

If you need 1 512 Mb DDR £41.65 Inc VAT

If you need 2 512 Mb for 1 GB DDR £72.67 Inc VAT

£206.03 using the 1 512 method
£237.05 using the 1 512 method
April 28, 2006 5:05:49 PM

1gb DDR DIMMS start at £46
April 28, 2006 5:12:56 PM

I think both are good choice... a new system is obviosly the better one, but a new agp card for your current system is not a bad one either... and certainly cheaper! even if you get more ram (which i also reccomend like the others above) w/ that 7800 you will be cheaper than a whole new platform.

The athlon xp is not dead yet, and agp is still viable as even my 1900 would probably not saturate the bandwidth on agp 8x... but that 7800gs is certainly no gtx, and some of the above points about $ spent on legacy tech vs parts that have a longer lifetime. While your comp is not dead, it soon will be.

If i were you I would listen strongly to f1nalOmen as his system is about what yours is... if what he says seems to be what you want for performance (for a while anyway) then go for it... if not then get the new mobo, cpu etc...
April 28, 2006 5:40:42 PM

He's currently running an A7N8X which has 3 slots for DDR. He should be running 2 256 DDR chips. One in either slot 1 or 2 (or slots 0 and 1 depending on how they're listed) and one in slot 3 (or slot 2 depending on how it is listed) to run the ram in dual channel.

He could run both the 256s in slots 1(slot 0?) and 2(slot 1?) and then another 512 in slot 3(slot 2?) but I'm not sure it will run in dual channel in that config. It probably will, but I've never bothered to test it.

I do know if he gets 2 512s and runs one in slot 2(slot 1?) and one in slot 3(slot 2?) the ram will run in dual channel but I thought I would give him either option. If the OP can find better prices, then props out to him.
April 28, 2006 5:55:43 PM

I have an a7n8x-deluxe w/ xp2700+ and 2 256 + 1 512 and it does run in dual channel. Manual also says it does. Had it set that way before my current "upgrade". just fyi, so OP knows that he may save $ that way...
April 29, 2006 12:13:38 PM

Thanks for all the input!

It's a tricky one. But I think a full upgrade is the way to go. Gives me more options in a yrs time. I'll go for the AMD 64 3500 and clock it. With a 7600GT and new 1gb ram it seems that I'll be back the top end of mid range.

Hmm.. memory.
I currently have 512 mg {two 256 XMS PC3200 on dual channel.} As my new board will have 4 banks, would the best option be to get another pair of twinned 256mg PC3200 chips and populate all 4 banks or get two new 512mg chips??

I'm presuming if I poplulate all 4 banks I'll lose the dual channeling??
Which, if I'm right, is no great loss in performance anyway.

Sorry if that sounds all a bit confused.. but I am !
April 29, 2006 4:05:58 PM

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Thanks for all the input!

It's a tricky one. But I think a full upgrade is the way to go. Gives me more options in a yrs time. I'll go for the AMD 64 3500 and clock it. With a 7600GT and new 1gb ram it seems that I'll be back the top end of mid range.

Hmm.. memory.
I currently have 512 mg {two 256 XMS PC3200 on dual channel.} As my new board will have 4 banks, would the best option be to get another pair of twinned 256mg PC3200 chips and populate all 4 banks or get two new 512mg chips??

I'm presuming if I poplulate all 4 banks I'll lose the dual channeling??
Which, if I'm right, is no great loss in performance anyway.

Sorry if that sounds all a bit confused.. but I am !


Since RAM is so cheap I would get 2x 512 and leave 2 banks open for future expansion. Heck if you can afford it around $140 after MIR get Corsair XMS 2GB (2x 1GB) $191 with a MIR.

If you want to overclock consider the Opteron 146. I will overclock better than a 3500+. Its about the same price, has double the L2 cache. Its 200MHz slower, but it overclocks much better so you can easily make up the difference. If you can afford another $110 or so, look at the Opteron 165 and gain a dual core CPU which will last you longer.
April 29, 2006 5:51:36 PM

Hi! :) 
well im from Argentina, that leave me worst than you, in Location, but Im able to buy all my Hardware needs, on ebay, just look for the best sellers, and high feedback, never really had a prob, and if you register with paypal, you have up to 1000U$D insurance, so you are 100%ok.- 8O

Now for the upgrade path, I'd waiting too :? , although I have a 939 NF3U Board, i have a 7800GS and it rocks :p  , so If I were you, i would just buy that 7800 and 2GB DDR and wait, with that setup, you can run Oblivion Just Find (a friend of mine runs it with a 6600GT and a sempron 2500, almost like your CPU...) and you can put the RAM in your Next Setup.-
If you do this; that I recommend, you can set your PageFile to Zero, and your Rig will ROCK for sure :wink: .-

Good luck.-

Max.-
April 29, 2006 5:56:53 PM

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If you do this; that I recommend, you can set your PageFile to Zero, and your Rig will ROCK for sure


I don't think that's a good idea somehow...... :roll:
April 29, 2006 7:12:26 PM

I've been running like this since XP came out, and never had a real prob, And the speed you gain is beautifull, you never have to wait when you close a Memory hogging app, but, you know is just my setup, you can try, and see if its ok, or not.. :wink:
PS if you have 2GB you can try it, and tell me how it goes!! :p  .-
April 30, 2006 3:28:25 PM

you will not lose dual channeling at all, you will lose 1T timings, which is only a slight diff. in perf. Dual channel however is a big loss in performance, so don't do something to lose that.

I agree though that 2x512 is better that another 2x256... and 2x1gig is the best... that leaves you w/ 2 banks open and you would either have 1 or 2 gigs of memory w/ room to upgrade.

It is only a slight bummer that you would not use the 2x256 that you already have, but the reality is that the bigger size sticks (the 512) will actually give you slightly better performance than 4 256.

just my thoughts.
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