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ok i narrowed down my choices to 4, now i cant chosoe between them

im looking to over clock, but not like to hit 3 Ghz i wanna over clock an opteron 144(1.8ghz) to around 2.4Ghz.

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130484

ECS KN1 EXTREME
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813135175

ABIT AX8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 813127187'

DFI Infinity NF4 Ultra
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813136163

EPoX EP-9NPA+Ultra
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813123236


i dont really know much about EPox, i kno ECS is a bad company supposedly but it was really neck in neck with the MSI in a few reviews besides its lessened OCing ability, i dunno im not sure.

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well if u hardcore oc, go with dfi. if u just wanna oc minimally( like a 3000+ to 2.4 or something) then go with the msi

Reply to carpcmelee

i dont wanna OC like 2 Ghz just a few hundred Mhz, like 500+ Mhz but under 1.2Ghz

Reply to pengwin

what about an Abit KN8 SLi?


its 100 dollars and has SLi if i ever wanted to upgrade to SLi

how with the KN8 OC?

Reply to pengwin

Also going from 1.8 to 2.4 is a 30% OC thats asking alot... it may be possible with water cooling but I dont think so on air ? Im not an Athlon64 expert by any means :) I have 2 but they dont OC at all (Compaq's) but on air I hear about people getting 200Mhz maybe 300Mhz on air ? and some people have trouble with any increases. (luck of the draw) I wish you luck :)

I think its AMD bin selection they are realy good at picking out wich parts will run at a speed !

Reply to JonathanDeane

I dont think that 1.8 to 2.4ghz is to big to ask fo, i took my 3700+ from 2.2 to 2.85ghz on air and it was stable with my DFI, but i no longer have my mobo that will allow me to OC so I cant do that anymore. :(

Best,

3Ball

Reply to 3Ball

no ppl have gotten opty 165 (1.8 Ghz stock) to around 2.55 Ghz all on air cooled

Reply to pengwin

Quote :

Also going from 1.8 to 2.4 is a 30% OC thats asking alot... it may be possible with water cooling but I dont think so on air ? Im not an Athlon64 expert by any means :) I have 2 but they dont OC at all (Compaq's) but on air I hear about people getting 200Mhz maybe 300Mhz on air ? and some people have trouble with any increases. (luck of the draw) I wish you luck :)

I think its AMD bin selection they are realy good at picking out wich parts will run at a speed !



Actually I've OC'd my A64 3200+ from 2.0 to 2.6... That's exactly 30%... With boxed cooler!
Venice cores are awesome overclockers, fast and cool 8)

Reply to Multiplectic

seriously? u can do tha ton an A8n SLi? heard those suck with OCing

Reply to pengwin

Yeap, I've heard that too.
It seems that the first releases of those boards were very bad... But mine is pretty new, and I've updated the BIOS. Don't get confused, it isn't an A8N-SLI Deluxe or Premium - just A8N-SLI 8)

Reply to Multiplectic

yah that was my thought, passive cooling (no fan noise or fan failing) and SLi, i for about the same price of a non. sounds like a good deal

Reply to pengwin

Quote :

Also going from 1.8 to 2.4 is a 30% OC thats asking alot... it may be possible with water cooling but I dont think so on air ? Im not an Athlon64 expert by any means :) I have 2 but they dont OC at all (Compaq's) but on air I hear about people getting 200Mhz maybe 300Mhz on air ? and some people have trouble with any increases. (luck of the draw) I wish you luck :)

I think its AMD bin selection they are realy good at picking out wich parts will run at a speed !


Know it or STFU. It's that simple. That applies for all the other threads you've participated.

Well arent you full of yourself :)

Edit:Oh and I do know this OCing something 30% is luck of the draw if you think every Venice core that comes off the line will OC 30% then your fanboy streak is showing... I will agree that they are way better then most of the other cores for how cool they run but saying something like "Oh I get 30% out of air on mine" thats fine just dont raise some one elses hopes of doing the same ! yes its possible and indeed you could say something like "Yeah you should at least get 10% or possibly more" thats the facts.

Reply to JonathanDeane

im gettin an opteron 144, it'll OC well. no worries

Reply to pengwin

Quote :

Also going from 1.8 to 2.4 is a 30% OC thats asking alot... it may be possible with water cooling but I dont think so on air ? Im not an Athlon64 expert by any means :) I have 2 but they dont OC at all (Compaq's) but on air I hear about people getting 200Mhz maybe 300Mhz on air ? and some people have trouble with any increases. (luck of the draw) I wish you luck :)

I think its AMD bin selection they are realy good at picking out wich parts will run at a speed !



You don't know much do you?

With my DFI Expert and and Optron 146 (2Ghz stock) I run 1:1 @ 2.6Ghz 24/7 on my house server on air (SI-120) in a CM Stacker case in a 20C room....it runs a nice cool 23C unless under 100% load,then it gets allllllll the way up to 33C!

Oh yeh everything is at stock volts as well.

I have also had it running with non 1:1 @ 2.9Ghz.

DFI and Optron FTW.

Reply to ZOldDude

Quote :

Also going from 1.8 to 2.4 is a 30% OC thats asking alot... it may be possible with water cooling but I dont think so on air ? Im not an Athlon64 expert by any means :) I have 2 but they dont OC at all (Compaq's) but on air I hear about people getting 200Mhz maybe 300Mhz on air ? and some people have trouble with any increases. (luck of the draw) I wish you luck :)

I think its AMD bin selection they are realy good at picking out wich parts will run at a speed !



You don't know much do you?

With my DFI Expert and and Optron 146 (2Ghz stock) I run 1:1 @ 2.6Ghz 24/7 on my house server on air (SI-120) in a CM Stacker case in a 20C room....it runs a nice cool 23C unless under 100% load,then it gets allllllll the way up to 33C!

Oh yeh everything is at stock volts as well.

I have also had it running with non 1:1 @ 2.9Ghz.

DFI and Optron FTW.

who ever that was directed toward just got pwnt.

and i kno optys ar ebetter for Ocing and have bigger caches.

Reply to pengwin

Quote :

Also going from 1.8 to 2.4 is a 30% OC thats asking alot... it may be possible with water cooling but I dont think so on air ? Im not an Athlon64 expert by any means :) I have 2 but they dont OC at all (Compaq's) but on air I hear about people getting 200Mhz maybe 300Mhz on air ? and some people have trouble with any increases. (luck of the draw) I wish you luck :)

I think its AMD bin selection they are realy good at picking out wich parts will run at a speed !



You don't know much do you?

With my DFI Expert and and Optron 146 (2Ghz stock) I run 1:1 @ 2.6Ghz 24/7 on my house server on air (SI-120) in a CM Stacker case in a 20C room....it runs a nice cool 23C unless under 100% load,then it gets allllllll the way up to 33C!

Oh yeh everything is at stock volts as well.

I have also had it running with non 1:1 @ 2.9Ghz.

DFI and Optron FTW.

who ever that was directed toward just got pwnt.

and i kno optys ar ebetter for Ocing and have bigger caches.

At least I know how to spell and type :P anyway im sure the people who post represent a scewed result... meaning if I only get a 150Mhz OC am I realy gonna brag about it ??? Use some common sense and dont be fools.

Edit: And by the way OC it till it pops see if I care its not my money ;)

Reply to JonathanDeane

I have owned 2 3500 venices, 1 3000 venice, 1 X2 3800 and one Opty 165. And I have a number of friends who have single core venices as well as dual core. Every single one I have ever owned would easily achieve a 30% over clock, and normally with either no voltage increase or a very minimal increase. The only thing that I have noticed to be a luck of the draw are the chips that run above 2.6-2.65 stable. I have seen them in person, 3000 @ 2.8 on air stable, and an Opteron 144@2.8 stable with no voltage increase.... but every one I have seen can do 2.6.... but that is just me. One of my friends had a bad experience with his X2 3800 which would not OC more than about 100-200 mhz. But that was the only one, and it is because it has memory controller issues above stock.

Reply to weskurtz81

Is it worth the extra $50.00 to go with the Opty 146 for a 10X multiplier compared the the 144s 9X?

Reply to Anoobis

That has actually been an issue. The 10x multiplier is a nice addition in my opinion. If I were buying a dual or single core opty, I would consider the 10x multiplier for overclocking ease.

Reply to weskurtz81

Yeah, I have a 165, and my buddy just got a 144 which is running @ 2.8 stock voltage.... he will obviously be increasing it in the near future, but having it at 2.8 stock voltage is pretty nice.

Reply to weskurtz81

oh, if you could explain to me how to post screen shots in here, I can show you the 3000@ 2.8, the X2 3800 @ 2.6, the 165 @ 2.7 and the 144 @ 2.8 or higher all stable prime. Those are the only ones I have access to anymore. I overvolted my original 3500, the replacement I traded my buddy for some other hardware, and my 3000, not the one in question, was also traded. So, I can show you screen shots if you can explain to me how to post them.

Reply to weskurtz81

I have had mixed success with my Venice. Its a little bastard somedays but I took it to 2.8Ghz but I had to run some serious voltage through it, but at stock I could do about 2650Mhz. I haven't met a A64 on the low end that can't do 30%, but on the high end thats asking alot. 2400Mhz x 30% = 720Mhz + 2400 = 3120Mhz, now that would be nuts 8O .

COurse with phase change anything is possible... thats my next goal. Hmmm I can see it now an opty 170 @ 3.2 give or take :twisted:

Reply to SuperFly03

Quote :

I have owned 2 3500 venices, 1 3000 venice, 1 X2 3800 and one Opty 165. And I have a number of friends who have single core venices as well as dual core. Every single one I have ever owned would easily achieve a 30% over clock, and normally with either no voltage increase or a very minimal increase. The only thing that I have noticed to be a luck of the draw are the chips that run above 2.6-2.65 stable. I have seen them in person, 3000 @ 2.8 on air stable, and an Opteron 144@2.8 stable with no voltage increase.... but every one I have seen can do 2.6.... but that is just me. One of my friends had a bad experience with his X2 3800 which would not OC more than about 100-200 mhz. But that was the only one, and it is because it has memory controller issues above stock.



Damn 5 chips thats alot... too many.... but oh well what can I say ? and Wusy they dont pop ? oh wait thats right they just keep OCing no matter what temp you run them at... you sound like the noob to me.

Edit: would that memory controller be the one built into the A64 ??? odd that it had an issue.

Reply to JonathanDeane

Quote :

oh, if you could explain to me how to post screen shots in here, I can show you the 3000@ 2.8, the X2 3800 @ 2.6, the 165 @ 2.7 and the 144 @ 2.8 or higher all stable prime. Those are the only ones I have access to anymore. I overvolted my original 3500, the replacement I traded my buddy for some other hardware, and my 3000, not the one in question, was also traded. So, I can show you screen shots if you can explain to me how to post them.



You actualy traded OCed chips ??? I hope you informed the people who you traded them too, personaly I woulda gave them away if that was the case becouse you just dont know how much longer they might last. OCing kinda voids your warrenty and all that.

Edit:you need hosting to post images alot of free ones on the net :) just post a URL if you want. will look like Insert image: http://image_url

Reply to JonathanDeane

I will get on the free hosting. I traded them to friends that knew what they were getting. And yeah, the memory controllers can be flaky, and a little worse with the dual core chips. The only way I have been able to fry one was from being a retard and maxing out the vcore and special vid on a dfi board. I managed to destroy the cpu, it could not take the 1.95 volts 8O
My friends trade cpu's amongst each other, Intel and AMD.... yeah, and like superfly said, try to get an FX-60 to do 30%.... no way, or some other high end chip, hard core cooling. I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am just telling you my experience with the cpu's. I am obviously being honest or I would not have told you about the bunk X2 3800..... it even crashes in BF2 with dual channel memory configured, it passes prime and memtest, but still unstable. Tried it on 3-4 different mother boards with 4 different brands of memory, took a cpu out of the setup that worked fine, added the crap one..... and, like clock work, same thing every time. But that was only one of how many, I am even starting to lose track. And in all honesty, a cpu is supposed to last 10-15 years from what I read..... so if it is overclocked safely and it only lasts 6 years.... I don't think anyone would notice..... I don't normally have a cpu for that long anyway. But as I said, they knew what the cpu's had been through, I would not sell/trade my friends or anyone else a cpu that I oc'ed without releasing that info.

Reply to weskurtz81

Quote :

They crash(restart/BSOD) before they can even reach the temperature to pop.
You know jackass about overclocking A64. Just STFU and listen.



I am listening and when they BSOD just exactly what is happening ? and I already said in my original post that im not an expert... wich you already pointed out. Your an expert at pointing out off topic things like "Know what your talking about or STFU" and im here to learn :) if I didnt participate how would I know anything ? and to the person who said buying lower end chips to OC. I totaly agree :) you are more likely to get a good OC on those. (still no where's near 100% chance of getting a good OC regardless of what a zealot will tell you) Im not saying that A64's cant hit a 50% OC I have seen it im just saying those are not the norm. I have a 2.4Ghz P4 @ 3.4 and its been like that for 2 years. But I wouldnt say "hey you can get a 40% on all P4's".... I got lucky its temps are nice and its fast im happy. The P4 it replaced was a 1.8Ghz POS that would only run at 2Ghz and that was with crashes.

Moral of the story If it doesnt OC to the hights you expect will you still be happy ? The answer would depend on if your expecting it or not.

Edit: I tried to resist... but "AMD/Intel can't tell if you've overclocked the chip(as long as there's no physical marking)." Where would this physical marking come from ? Dont bother answering I already know.

Reply to JonathanDeane

ooo, flame thread, but once again, i am right about OCing an Opty 144 it will reach 2.4 Ghz easily with a zalman 7000-Cu LED

Reply to pengwin

If you had a socket 940 this place has them for a little more then 100$

http://www.compuvest.us/ProductDet [...] tID=148831

But you probably have socket 939 and this was the best price I could find there :)

http://www.xl-pc.com/scr/xtcat.dll [...] AMD-OP-144

126$ isnt bad at all :) Good luck with the OC ! and yeah I would replace the stock cooler too, not that they are not good just always a good idea to keep them as cool as possible. Im thinking about ordering this cooler myself.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835106061

Reply to JonathanDeane

Quote :

Learn passively. :wink:
And we're not talking about percentage here, we're talking about hitting 2.4Ghz(as stated in your first post) which is relatively easy on any 90nm A64s.



People learn much better when they are involved... teaching lessons withstanding, I wouldnt promise some one they can OC something from 1.8Ghz to 2.4Ghz yes it happens and it happens alot but would you say it happens 100% of the time ? I wouldnt and I didnt. I will agree that I was lowballing in my first post but since they where asking it sounded like they where new at OCing and setting up some one to expect a good OC there first time out is just bad buisness. I still think AMD is realy good at binning :)

Reply to JonathanDeane

ok, stop fighting, 1.8 to 2.4 Ghz will happen easily, ill have PC4000 (DDR500) with a good PSU on an Abit KN8. it'll hit 2.4 easily, also ill have a zalman 7700-Cu LED on it

Reply to pengwin

i'd hate to ask, but what's the verdict on the motherboard? everything went on a tangent talking about everything but the orginal post.

Reply to drummerdude

I would either go with Asus or DFI.... both are quality.... both OC well.... I have an Asus A8N SLI Premium, just dropped an opty 144 in it..... ran it up to just above 3ghz on air..... I think that the mobo is however topped out an not the CPU.... because it passes prime at that setting, but..... I bump the fsb up by one.... and it won't even boot.... I have never had one happen like that before.... they would always boot but not pass prime in windows.... so for a higher OC I am waiting on a DFI rma.... I have achieved a 400FSB on a Ultra D once.... stable prime..... anyway.... off to work

Reply to weskurtz81

the price Epox , Very very good overclocking


the name , stability DFI



both Boards r really rreally good


i totally agree with Wusy

:D

Reply to uber_g

hmm

any thing on the Abit KN8 Sli?

Reply to pengwin

The Abit's fine for external clock of 300+.
Newegg are doing the AN8 SLI for only a $1 more though ...

When you get 1 come join the community at the Abit-USA forums :)

Reply to BUFF

I just bought the KN8-SLI from ZZZ a few weeks back. They had a deal with a $20.00 mail-in rebate. I didn't plan on getting a SLI board, but this board had the features on it I was looking for and came in either cheaper or at the same cost as the non-SLI boards I was planning on getting. The passive cooling is also a nice feature.

Abit's always been good to me and you should have no problem overclocking with this board.

Reply to Anoobis

which crossfire mother board would you guys recommend?

the nothing too much over 100 please, and the most stable + best Overclocker.



i kno the DFI would be best for OCing but i dont have that kind of money.

Reply to pengwin

Quote :


the nothing too much over 100 please, and the most stable + best Overclocker.


That budget severely limits you - basically to an RD480 board.
I had an Abit AT8 (since upgraded to AT8 32X) & it was fine but it's discontinued since RD580.
You've got the Asus A8R-MVP but a lot of people were very unhappy with the voltage regulation on that etc.

Sapphire A9RD580 Advantage might be worth a punt but I would look for some user feedback first.

Reply to BUFF

Don't get confused, it isn't an A8N-SLI Deluxe or Premium - just A8N-SLI

There seems to be something going on about these boards, due to the fact
that I was concidering the A8N-SLI delux simply on features to puchase I was woundering what the issues are if any.

Perhaps I'll go and get the MSI-diamond.

Reply to desilver

I have had great luck with the Premium, the Deluxe looks great to, but you will lose a PCI slot if you use the PCI-E slot closest to the cpu.

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