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April 28, 2006 1:47:47 AM

Hey. I'm trying to see what I can get out of my setup and I'm only able to achieve a 3% overclock using Asus built-in overclocking profiles. Somehow, it just seems like I should be able to get a little more than that. My setup is below. Let me know what you guys think I should try. Thanks.

AMD FX-60 + Asus A8N32-SLI
4GB OCZ DDR400 @ 2-3-2-5
BFG 7900GTX

Right now I have a 3% overclock and at max load I'm at <= 110°F.

Again, thanks in advance.

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April 28, 2006 2:14:21 AM

Is it just straight up NOT letting you, or are the temps getting to high?
April 28, 2006 2:15:29 AM

Just go into your bios and up the multiplier one time and you will have 2.8ghz a 7.692% increase and on air cooling 2.8ghz is good, plus im not sure you will be needing more!

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April 28, 2006 9:15:53 PM

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Is it just straight up NOT letting you, or are the temps getting to high?


I can set it to like 5% and reboot but it won't post. It comes up to a black screen with a white blinking cursor and that's it.

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Just go into your bios and up the multiplier one time and you will have 2.8ghz a 7.692% increase and on air cooling 2.8ghz is good, plus im not sure you will be needing more!


I'm water cooled and I can't seem to find a way to change the multiplier. Any ideas?

Thanks to the both of you for your input!

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Ah... so you have to disable Quiet'n'Cool to change the multiplier setting.
<sarcasm> Good thing that's in the manual. </sarcasm>

With a 14x multiplier I'm peaking at around 113°F under max load. I'm pretty sure I can go higher but I don't have the money to blow anything up so I wanted you guys' opinion. Thanks.
April 29, 2006 6:20:47 AM

At a 14x multiplier you are already oc'd 200MHz to 2.8GHz, stock is 2.6GHz at 13x
April 29, 2006 4:07:28 PM

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At a 14x multiplier you are already oc'd 200MHz to 2.8GHz, stock is 2.6GHz at 13x


At 14x multiplier, the system is perfectly stable, and my CPU temps didn't increase by a whole lot. I tried 14½x multiplier and Windows would boot but didn't handle testing under load very long. At 15x multiplier the system wouldn't even boot.

Do you think that asking for more is too much? Am I just not being realistic about my expectations? Thanks again.
April 29, 2006 5:00:48 PM

What motherboard are you using?
April 29, 2006 5:17:46 PM

i think u might have to loosen up ur ram timings.. its DDR 400 and by default the HT is 200. so the ram might not be rated for anything higher than 200 with such tight timings. You might have to go shopping for DDR500 or something like that or loosen timings.
April 29, 2006 5:39:12 PM

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What motherboard are you using?


Asus A8N32-SLI

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i think u might have to loosen up ur ram timings.. its DDR 400 and by default the HT is 200. so the ram might not be rated for anything higher than 200 with such tight timings. You might have to go shopping for DDR500 or something like that or loosen timings.


I haven't tried increasing the HT after adjusting the multiplier. It's still at 200. Do you think that adjusting the multiplier would have any effect on the RAMs communication thought the HT bus? I would think that because the bus is running at the same speed that there really shouldn't be a problem.
April 29, 2006 6:11:32 PM

"I would think that because the bus is running at the same speed that there really shouldn't be a problem."

it wouldnt.
April 29, 2006 6:30:12 PM

Don't forget to up the CPU voltage when you increase the multiplier..... If I am correct I think your board tops around 1.5v to the cpu..... give it 1.5 and see how high you can go.... you should be able to break 3ghz on air. Let us know.
April 29, 2006 7:21:11 PM

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Don't forget to up the CPU voltage when you increase the multiplier..... If I am correct I think your board tops around 1.5v to the cpu..... give it 1.5 and see how high you can go.... you should be able to break 3ghz on air. Let us know.


Right now I'm at 1.3875v. I haven't over-volted the NB or SB yet, do you think that could be causing a problem as well? Thanks.
April 29, 2006 7:44:55 PM

100% sure..... all you really need to worry about is your cpu voltage.... I wouldn't go much over 1.5v..... it doesn't seem yield any results on AMD cpus..... and be careful when you do go above that.... but 1.5 is safe.... bump the voltage up.... and for safety precautions I would make sure the fan is full on while doing it.... once you find your max stable OC then play with the rest of the settings to make the desirable.
April 30, 2006 1:55:20 PM

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100% sure..... all you really need to worry about is your cpu voltage.... I wouldn't go much over 1.5v..... it doesn't seem yield any results on AMD cpus..... and be careful when you do go above that.... but 1.5 is safe.... bump the voltage up.... and for safety precautions I would make sure the fan is full on while doing it.... once you find your max stable OC then play with the rest of the settings to make the desirable.


So are you saying I should or should not over-volt the NB/SB?
April 30, 2006 2:24:28 PM

I had similar experiences with that Asus overclock utility and an AMD X2-4400... that utility is NOT a substitute for knowledge. Mine only OC'd 5% using that tool if I remember correctly... in reality I now have an 18% overclock... so clearly it was not choosing optimal settings.
April 30, 2006 3:00:33 PM

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I had similar experiences with that Asus overclock utility and an AMD X2-4400... that utility is NOT a substitute for knowledge. Mine only OC'd 5% using that tool if I remember correctly... in reality I now have an 18% overclock... so clearly it was not choosing optimal settings.


I tried the percent setting in the BIOS as opposed to the OC utility. What settings are you using to get your 18% overclock? And what board are you using? Thanks.
April 30, 2006 3:23:28 PM

I am not saying it will mess your NB up, but, I have never experienced a higher OC from over volting the NB. I have tried it with 5 different K-8's and 4 different mother boards. 2 Ultra D's, 1 DFI SLI DR, and my current Asus A8N Premium. The best way to try to OC, since you have a unlocked multi, is bump the mulityplier up 5.... and then boot windows. Then do it again.... and once you can't boot windows, bump the voltage up a tad. But if you are too impatient for that, as I sometimes am, I would turn the voltage up to 1.5 and go until I can't anymore, then back it off a hair until it is stable, and then once it is stable with 1.5 volts, turn the voltage down until it becomes unstable again.... then bump it back up the the lowest stable setting which I achieved.
April 30, 2006 3:54:43 PM

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I am not saying it will mess your NB up, but, I have never experienced a higher OC from over volting the NB. I have tried it with 5 different K-8's and 4 different mother boards. 2 Ultra D's, 1 DFI SLI DR, and my current Asus A8N Premium. The best way to try to OC, since you have a unlocked multi, is bump the mulityplier up 5.... and then boot windows. Then do it again.... and once you can't boot windows, bump the voltage up a tad. But if you are too impatient for that, as I sometimes am, I would turn the voltage up to 1.5 and go until I can't anymore, then back it off a hair until it is stable, and then once it is stable with 1.5 volts, turn the voltage down until it becomes unstable again.... then bump it back up the the lowest stable setting which I achieved.


You mean bump the FSB up by 5mhz, right? ;) 

What everyone is trying to say is that you should just up your cpu voltage to 1.5v, then try your 15x multiplier again. Also, like they said, you may need to loosen your memory timings a little, I would set the memory at 3-4-4-8, then find your top stable cpu speed, then go back and tighten the memory until you find your stable memory timings. Good luck :) 
April 30, 2006 3:57:57 PM

ooppss.... LOL yeah, I was mixing my words up there. Just up the multiplier a little.... obviously not just by five. Go up .5 or 1 and boot windows, and keep going like I previously described.
April 30, 2006 4:21:42 PM

I'd strongly recommend you don;t use Asus AI, but manually overclock.

I got to grips with the basics using http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=300

Remember to read through your manual also to see how to unlock the multiplier. You do need to go onto manual FID if I remember rightly...

Damned BIOS. Why cant you access it in windows.... One day.....

Me.
April 30, 2006 4:52:00 PM

I strongly suggest that you check out the forums on this website: extremeoverclocking.com
I bought an opteron 170 and didnt know a thing about overclocking and after reading the forums I was able to go from 2ghz to 2.6ghz on air. I could go more but thats all I wanted to get. Read the forums on AMD specific processors. Good luck.
April 30, 2006 5:00:17 PM

Well, overclocking a Multi-Unlocked chip is pretty easy. Just keep in mind, you will not get much over 3ghz, and you may not even get that. They don't scale that high over 3ghz.
April 30, 2006 5:26:13 PM

read up on OCing. What's your memory? You sound like you don't know know what you're doing...

The built in Asus OCing bios option are PURE AND SLITHERY BullShiz. Set it to manual and set the options yourself. 1.5v is as high as I'd go and load shouldn't get higher than 55*C.

Really, there's not much to say without referring you to an OC guide:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&t...
April 30, 2006 6:12:51 PM

I had to increase mine to get my cpu stable.
May 1, 2006 3:32:34 AM

Asus A8N SLI with voltage at ~ 1.47. Because I'm an idiot and bought value RAM I had to back the memory down to 333 (from 400) and that OC to 2.6 put it back about to stock speed. If you're running an FX-60 and expect to OC, I hope you have a quality power supply.

To repeat... that Asus utility is NOT a substitute for a little bit of reading and research on your part.
May 1, 2006 11:29:27 AM

Hey Wusy, I have the A8N SLI Premium, and it overclocks just as well as all three of the DFI boards which I tried with 5 different K8's.
May 1, 2006 11:45:10 AM

Me too... well, the A8N32-SLI Deluxe, and that's a monster!

CPU and Chipset do run VERY hot though..... certainly compared to the A8V SE I had before....
May 1, 2006 11:58:55 AM

Then why did DFI win the OC competition at Bejeing University? (took 2 of top 3) 8O
May 1, 2006 1:15:39 PM

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Asus A8N SLI with voltage at ~ 1.47. Because I'm an idiot and bought value RAM I had to back the memory down to 333 (from 400) and that OC to 2.6 put it back about to stock speed. If you're running an FX-60 and expect to OC, I hope you have a quality power supply.

To repeat... that Asus utility is NOT a substitute for a little bit of reading and research on your part.

You were already an idiot for buying that FAILURE motherboard. :p 

Is that how you got so many posts? By making oh-so-intelligent, fact-filled posts like the one you just made? :) 
May 1, 2006 2:36:54 PM

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Asus A8N SLI with voltage at ~ 1.47. Because I'm an idiot and bought value RAM I had to back the memory down to 333 (from 400) and that OC to 2.6 put it back about to stock speed. If you're running an FX-60 and expect to OC, I hope you have a quality power supply.

To repeat... that Asus utility is NOT a substitute for a little bit of reading and research on your part.

You were already an idiot for buying that FAILURE motherboard. :p 

Is that how you got so many posts? By making oh-so-intelligent, fact-filled posts like the one you just made? :) 

I agree with Rodney. If you're not going to bring anything to the table regarding the discussion at hand, start your own post and discuss your gripes there.
May 1, 2006 2:50:27 PM

What I don't get is why the hell you would blow $1,000 on a processor of any speed, when an X2 3800 is capable of the same thing.
Plus, the poor guy is overclocking so it's even sadder to see this.
The only way in hell I could see somebody needing a $1,000 processor is if you get phase changing and try to break records.
May 1, 2006 2:55:01 PM

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What I don't get is why the hell you would blow $1,000 on a processor of any speed, when an X2 3800 is capable of the same thing.
Plus, the poor guy is overclocking so it's even sadder to see this.
The only way in hell I could see somebody needing a $1,000 processor is if you get phase changing and try to break records.


Agreed. $1000 for a CPU is pointless. For half the money you usually get 90% of the performance. Sure, my X2-4400 won't OC higher than an FX-60 will, but it DOES run at 2.6 GHz and didn't cost me $1000+.

However, I do believe the top CPUs should cost that... if for no other reason, because people are still willing to buy them at that price (not me!) If they weren't selling at that price, Intel/AMD would back off a bit.
May 1, 2006 3:25:04 PM

Enough already. The FX-60 is one of the best CPU's you can buy today, and he has a really good system.

ValueRAM isn't good at overclocking at all. If you're really serious about overclocking, sell the value RAM and get two packs of 2 x 1 GB DDR500 RAM by G.Skill. That is some of the best overclocking RAM you can buy, for about $160 a package from newegg.

Best o' luck.
May 1, 2006 3:26:22 PM

I'll stick to my Mushkin :tongue:
May 1, 2006 3:31:15 PM

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I'll stick to my Mushkin :tongue:

I'm disappointed in them. They send out better review sampes so they look better, my memory was supposed to hit 10 mhz more...doesn't sound like much, but when you run a 10x multiplier and pay top dollar it matters ><
May 1, 2006 3:36:55 PM

I can keep my memory between 245-255 with various combinations of multipliers and FSBs so their lack of potential above specd speeds sin't much of an issue. Plus at the time I bought it they had the lowest latency in 2x1Gb sticks :o 
May 1, 2006 4:29:53 PM

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You were already an idiot for buying that FAILURE motherboard. :p 


I thought you only had it out for the "Deluxe" version of that board. :?:

Although I do see a lot of people on the forums having problems with this series of board from Asus....hey wait a minute....do I see a connection somewhere???
May 1, 2006 5:17:32 PM

You have a 2 x 2.6GHz AMD chip, and I do not believe your memory is holding you back, since you changed to a 14x multi...
I think it is your mobo, not suppling enough stable current and/or a combination of your CPU, which is already near the top of the thermal envolope AMD can make on the FX's current technology.
2.8 to 2.9 is the top stable speed averages for that processor, and you already can run it at 2.8GHz.
May 1, 2006 5:34:50 PM

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You have a 2 x 2.6GHz AMD chip, and I do not believe your memory is holding you back, since you changed to a 14x multi...
I think it is your mobo, not suppling enough stable current and/or a combination of your CPU, which is already near the top of the thermal envolope AMD can make on the FX's current technology.
2.8 to 2.9 is the top stable speed averages for that processor, and you already can run it at 2.8GHz.


I was able to get it up to a 14.5x multiplier and stable by taking the CPU voltage up to 1.4675 I think. (I have it written down at home.) I tried a 15x multiplier but couldn't even get Windows to boot even when I took the voltage up to 1.50v. I really didn't feel comfortable with taking it up any higher at the time.

One thing I did notice was the that voltage displayed by CPU-Z and the voltage set in the BIOS were two very different things. Even when the voltage was set to 1.4675v in the BIOS, CPU-Z reported like 1.408 or something of that nature. Either way it was not what I set in the BIOS. Anyone care to comment on that? Thanks.

BTW, at the 14.5x multiplier I was getting a peak of 120°F as reported by the Asus PC Probe II utility.

The only thing I didn't like about running at 14.5x is that the RAM gets clocked at CPU/15 and therefore runs at 193.33MHz as opposed to 200MHz.
May 1, 2006 6:19:42 PM

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You have a 2 x 2.6GHz AMD chip, and I do not believe your memory is holding you back, since you changed to a 14x multi...
I think it is your mobo, not suppling enough stable current and/or a combination of your CPU, which is already near the top of the thermal envolope AMD can make on the FX's current technology.
2.8 to 2.9 is the top stable speed averages for that processor, and you already can run it at 2.8GHz.


I was able to get it up to a 14.5x multiplier and stable by taking the CPU voltage up to 1.4675 I think. (I have it written down at home.) I tried a 15x multiplier but couldn't even get Windows to boot even when I took the voltage up to 1.50v. I really didn't feel comfortable with taking it up any higher at the time.

One thing I did notice was the that voltage displayed by CPU-Z and the voltage set in the BIOS were two very different things. Even when the voltage was set to 1.4675v in the BIOS, CPU-Z reported like 1.408 or something of that nature. Either way it was not what I set in the BIOS. Anyone care to comment on that? Thanks.

BTW, at the 14.5x multiplier I was getting a peak of 120°F as reported by the Asus PC Probe II utility.
Sounds like crappy voltage regulators...either that or bad CPU-z readings. Do you have a software tool to check voltages?
May 1, 2006 6:35:42 PM

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You have a 2 x 2.6GHz AMD chip, and I do not believe your memory is holding you back, since you changed to a 14x multi...
I think it is your mobo, not suppling enough stable current and/or a combination of your CPU, which is already near the top of the thermal envolope AMD can make on the FX's current technology.
2.8 to 2.9 is the top stable speed averages for that processor, and you already can run it at 2.8GHz.


I was able to get it up to a 14.5x multiplier and stable by taking the CPU voltage up to 1.4675 I think. (I have it written down at home.) I tried a 15x multiplier but couldn't even get Windows to boot even when I took the voltage up to 1.50v. I really didn't feel comfortable with taking it up any higher at the time.

One thing I did notice was the that voltage displayed by CPU-Z and the voltage set in the BIOS were two very different things. Even when the voltage was set to 1.4675v in the BIOS, CPU-Z reported like 1.408 or something of that nature. Either way it was not what I set in the BIOS. Anyone care to comment on that? Thanks.

BTW, at the 14.5x multiplier I was getting a peak of 120°F as reported by the Asus PC Probe II utility.
Sounds like crappy voltage regulators...either that or bad CPU-z readings. Do you have a software tool to check voltages?

No I don't. Is there a tool you'd recommend? The Asus PC Probe utility gave a similar result to CPU-Z (rounding due to not as many decimal places but otherwise the same).
May 1, 2006 6:38:10 PM

I can't imagine that ASUS still suffers from the same voltage issues that plagued the P4C series mobo's. Now those were horrible for OC'ing unless you did the droop mod to stablize the voltage.

Of course the best way to measure voltage is with a potentiometer (i think they are called) but that is something I have yet to do/try myself.
May 1, 2006 6:53:09 PM

Are you using a quality brand PSU with at least 550 true output watts?

Overclocking a high end system does need reserves of power and quality components to provide stable clean power, which is much more important when overclocking, as you are finding out.
May 1, 2006 7:09:27 PM

There are no universal motherboard software tools. It all depends on the PC health chips on your chips.
May 1, 2006 7:20:42 PM

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I can't imagine that ASUS still suffers from the same voltage issues that plagued the P4C series mobo's. Now those were horrible for OC'ing unless you did the droop mod to stablize the voltage.

Of course the best way to measure voltage is with a potentiometer (i think they are called) but that is something I have yet to do/try myself.


The problem is your average potentiometer isn't really all that accurate unless you spend $100+ on like a good Fluke meter.

However, I do have access to an oscilliscope which is very accurate and would probably give me a good reading. Where would I measure from?

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Are you using a quality brand PSU with at least 550 true output watts?

Overclocking a high end system does need reserves of power and quality components to provide stable clean power, which is much more important when overclocking, as you are finding out.


I'm using a Silverstone SST-ST60F which is supposed to supply 600W.
May 1, 2006 7:25:42 PM

A good Simpson would work also.... analogue though, and might be more than a fluke.....
May 1, 2006 7:45:41 PM

This thread smells like Noobism!

I suggest the op do some research on overclocking, before messing with it
May 1, 2006 7:54:03 PM

suggesting I do not know how to overclock? Is it really that hard to OC? No it's not the only thing you really have to worry about is doing stupid stuff like pumping the voltage up so high you fry your chip. Good cooling, and attention to what is going on will make sure you don't fry it. Just dont, for example, pump the voltage up all the way, then even more with special vid(DFI boards) you can and will possibly fry your cpu that way. And regardless, in more times than not anything above 1.5-1.55 volts will give you no increase in top end, it will just add more heat to the mixture... why come in here and start using retarded words like "noobism"? He obviously does not know alot about OC'ing.... so yeah, he is "new" to it.... give it up man.... don't try to start stuff for now reason.
May 1, 2006 8:13:14 PM

I pump up the voltage all the way =o
May 1, 2006 8:14:13 PM

what is your highest voltage setting?
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