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Anonymous
June 12, 2005 6:44:04 PM

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Hi.
Using W98 SE for video application (Ulead Video Studio 7)
Hard drive 80 Gb.
No problems with this application.
Added second hard drive 80 GB, for additional storage.
Created folders on new drive and sucessfully used the Ulead application with it.

Problem with freeing up space on old drive (12 Gb already free).
Small (less than 2 GB) AVI files copy across ok,
but large 4.139 Gb (max W98) files fail.
error message:
'cannot create or replace uvsnnnnn-nnn: the parameter is incorrect'
where uvsnnnnnn-nnn.AVI is the file name in the Ulead format.

Have searched W98 KB for whole or part error message but no returns.
Have checked the file attributes and nothing ticked except 'archive'.
There is nothing apparently wrong with the AVI files which function ok.

Is there a 2 Gb file limit in Win98, I thought the limit was 4 Gb.

Roger (UK)
Anonymous
June 12, 2005 6:44:05 PM

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"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message news:1118583825.14151.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
> Hi.
> Using W98 SE for video application (Ulead Video Studio 7)
> Hard drive 80 Gb.
> No problems with this application.
> Added second hard drive 80 GB, for additional storage.
> Created folders on new drive and sucessfully used the Ulead application with it.
>
> Problem with freeing up space on old drive (12 Gb already free).
> Small (less than 2 GB) AVI files copy across ok,
> but large 4.139 Gb (max W98) files fail.
> error message:
> 'cannot create or replace uvsnnnnn-nnn: the parameter is incorrect'
> where uvsnnnnnn-nnn.AVI is the file name in the Ulead format.
>
> Have searched W98 KB for whole or part error message but no returns.
> Have checked the file attributes and nothing ticked except 'archive'.
> There is nothing apparently wrong with the AVI files which function ok.
>
> Is there a 2 Gb file limit in Win98, I thought the limit was 4 Gb.

Not sure what you mean, as 4.139 > 4. Or did you mean 2.139?

Applications can fail over 2GB if they are using a signed dword
for the "size parameter". And some do. In a "signed" case, the dword
2GB+1 = -1, 2GB+2 = -2, etc...
Anonymous
June 12, 2005 9:41:41 PM

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"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Is there a 2 Gb file limit in Win98, I thought the limit was 4 Gb.
>
> Not sure what you mean, as 4.139 > 4. Or did you mean 2.139?

I did mean 4.139 Gb. This is the file size obtained when 'capturing' long
video clips.

The application manual explains that for Win 98 and Me, the maximum file size is
4 Gb and that 'captures' of longer duration will be split into a number of
files, the maximum of each being 4 Gb. The user has no control over the size
of the files.

I assume 4 Gb is a nominal number since in my case an hours worth of video
produces three files of exactly 4.139 Gb and a smaller fouth one (about 1.2 Gb)
for the remainder.

Win 98SE has so far, been quite happy with these file sizes, and the application
is also happy to use them for editing and burning DVD's.

> Applications can fail over 2GB if they are using a signed dword
> for the "size parameter". And some do. In a "signed" case, the dword
> 2GB+1 = -1, 2GB+2 = -2, etc...

Well I'm out of my depth there. Where should I look to find if the application
is using a signed dword? The application manuals are for the amateur video
maker and don't refer to anything so technical.

If this problem is caused by a W98 limitation then a few more pointers might
help me when I refer the problem to Ulead support. Thanks.

Roger
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Anonymous
June 12, 2005 9:41:42 PM

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"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message news:1118594482.39167.0@despina.uk.clara.net...
>
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:%23PG0671bFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >
>> > Is there a 2 Gb file limit in Win98, I thought the limit was 4 Gb.
>>
>> Not sure what you mean, as 4.139 > 4. Or did you mean 2.139?
>
> I did mean 4.139 Gb. This is the file size obtained when 'capturing' long
> video clips.
>
> The application manual explains that for Win 98 and Me, the maximum file size is
> 4 Gb and that 'captures' of longer duration will be split into a number of
> files, the maximum of each being 4 Gb. The user has no control over the size
> of the files.
>
> I assume 4 Gb is a nominal number since in my case an hours worth of video
> produces three files of exactly 4.139 Gb and a smaller fouth one (about 1.2 Gb)
> for the remainder.


Where (what program) are you seeing these file size numbers?

They may be measuring in billions of bytes. 4 gigabytes (-1) is the limit
for the FAT based file system. A "true" 4GB = ~4.29 billion bytes. If it is
actually a "true" 4.139GB, then that is going to be impossible to write
in 98's native file system.


> Win 98SE has so far, been quite happy with these file sizes, and the application
> is also happy to use them for editing and burning DVD's.
>
>> Applications can fail over 2GB if they are using a signed dword
>> for the "size parameter". And some do. In a "signed" case, the dword
>> 2GB+1 = -1, 2GB+2 = -2, etc...
>
> Well I'm out of my depth there. Where should I look to find if the application
> is using a signed dword? The application manuals are for the amateur video
> maker and don't refer to anything so technical.

That's up to the programmer. I was assuming you meant greater than 2GB, since
it doesn't make any sense to try to create a 4.139GB file on a FAT based
system.



> If this problem is caused by a W98 limitation then a few more pointers might
> help me when I refer the problem to Ulead support. Thanks.

The Win98 FAT and FAT32 limit is 4GB-1, and the error message doesn't look
like a Window's error afaict.
June 13, 2005 12:17:42 AM

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Roger R Wrote:
> Hi.
> Using W98 SE for video application (Ulead Video Studio 7)
> Hard drive 80 Gb.
> No problems with this application.
> Added second hard drive 80 GB, for additional storage.
> Created folders on new drive and sucessfully used the Ulead application
> with it.
>
> Problem with freeing up space on old drive (12 Gb already free).
> Small (less than 2 GB) AVI files copy across ok,
> but large 4.139 Gb (max W98) files fail....... [EDITED]
>
> Also depends which version of FAT your Windows is using:
>
> FAT16 = 2GB max file size
> FAT32 = 4GB max file size


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Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:46:46 AM

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"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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>
> > I assume 4 Gb is a nominal number since in my case an hours worth of video
> > produces three files of exactly 4.139 Gb and a smaller fouth one (about 1.2
Gb)
> > for the remainder.
>
> Where (what program) are you seeing these file size numbers?
>

The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead application
window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is 4.193,347 Kb

>
> The Win98 FAT and FAT32 limit is 4GB-1, and the error message doesn't look
> like a Window's error afaict.

It has every appearance of a normal Windows error message, but text searching for
part or all of it on the Windows search engine produces no results.
So as you say it may be a third party message, however it refers to a problem
Windows has with the action requested as the file copy is inhibited.

Roger
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:46:47 AM

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I haven't been following all of this in detail, but I do know that you can
copy up to about 4 GB by doing so in DOS.

And if I remember right, you can't even copy and paste 3 GB in Windows
Explorer, but it's been awhile since I was into this. maybe somebody can
correct me if that's wrong, but I think the windows explorer limit was
around 2 GB.

And anything over 4.2 GB (or somewhere around there) you can't copy it at
ALL (DOS or Windows) (all of this using FAT32)

Roger R wrote:
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:u$AbIL3bFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> I assume 4 Gb is a nominal number since in my case an hours worth of
video
>>> produces three files of exactly 4.139 Gb and a smaller fouth one (about
1.2
>>> Gb) for the remainder.
>>
>> Where (what program) are you seeing these file size numbers?
>>
>
> The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead
> application window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is
> 4.193,347 Kb
>
>>
>> The Win98 FAT and FAT32 limit is 4GB-1, and the error message doesn't
look
>> like a Window's error afaict.
>
> It has every appearance of a normal Windows error message, but text
searching
> for part or all of it on the Windows search engine produces no results.
> So as you say it may be a third party message, however it refers to a
problem
> Windows has with the action requested as the file copy is inhibited.
>
> Roger
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:46:47 AM

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"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message news:1118609188.40200.0@iris.uk.clara.net...
>
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:u$AbIL3bFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>> > I assume 4 Gb is a nominal number since in my case an hours worth of video
>> > produces three files of exactly 4.139 Gb and a smaller fouth one (about 1.2
> Gb)
>> > for the remainder.
>>
>> Where (what program) are you seeing these file size numbers?
>>
>
> The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead application
> window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is 4.193,347 Kb

I guess you mean 4,193,347KB. That's roughly 3.99GB. Not the same as 4.139GB.
A KB is 1024 bytes, and a GB is 1024KB. 4,193,347 / 1024 = 3.99


>> The Win98 FAT and FAT32 limit is 4GB-1, and the error message doesn't look
>> like a Window's error afaict.
>
> It has every appearance of a normal Windows error message, but text searching for
> part or all of it on the Windows search engine produces no results.
> So as you say it may be a third party message, however it refers to a problem
> Windows has with the action requested as the file copy is inhibited.

I don't know then.. (I was going by the numbers you posted). It may be as Bill
in Co. says..
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 3:28:33 AM

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"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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> A KB is 1024 bytes, and a GB is 1024KB. 4,193,347 / 1024 = 3.99

Huh on the GB!


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Anonymous
June 13, 2005 10:04:58 AM

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"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:1118583825.14151.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
> Hi.
> Using W98 SE for video application (Ulead Video Studio 7)
> Hard drive 80 Gb.
> No problems with this application.
> Added second hard drive 80 GB, for additional storage.
> Created folders on new drive and sucessfully used the Ulead application
with it.
>
> Problem with freeing up space on old drive (12 Gb already free).
> Small (less than 2 GB) AVI files copy across ok,
> but large 4.139 Gb (max W98) files fail.
> error message:
> 'cannot create or replace uvsnnnnn-nnn: the parameter is incorrect'
> where uvsnnnnnn-nnn.AVI is the file name in the Ulead format.
>
> Have searched W98 KB for whole or part error message but no returns.
> Have checked the file attributes and nothing ticked except 'archive'.
> There is nothing apparently wrong with the AVI files which function ok.
>
> Is there a 2 Gb file limit in Win98, I thought the limit was 4 Gb.
>
> Roger (UK)
>
>
>
>

File limitation size under WinME is 4GB minus 1 byte. Under certain
circumstances, it works with 98SE as well. But never had good luck with it
in 98SE. So I went with ME for ULead's video encoding. ME seems to work
better with firewire and MS DirectShow out of the box. Had a similar setup
like yours. Pointed ULead's caching file at the alternate hard drive.
Worked pretty good. Don't remember much else, gave this PC to my grandkids.

Really don't understand how ULead created a file in excess of 4GB which you
have stated as such. 4194304 KB minus one byte is the filesize limitation
for FAT32. Which is 1 byte less than 4GB. Apparently you translated KBs
directly to GB per another reply in this thread. Not accurate, and
misleading to respondents and readers. See my reply to Bill Blanton for
proper relation of KB to GB.
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 10:05:03 AM

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Maybe you mean 1024 MB = 1GB?
And, 1024 KB = 1 MB?
And therefore, 1024 KB X 1024 = 1048576 KB = 1GB?
And X 4 or 4GB = 4194304 KB

"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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> "Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:1118609188.40200.0@iris.uk.clara.net...
> >
> > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> > news:u$AbIL3bFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >>
> >> > I assume 4 Gb is a nominal number since in my case an hours worth of
video
> >> > produces three files of exactly 4.139 Gb and a smaller fouth one
(about 1.2
> > Gb)
> >> > for the remainder.
> >>
> >> Where (what program) are you seeing these file size numbers?
> >>
> >
> > The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead
application
> > window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is 4.193,347
Kb
>
> I guess you mean 4,193,347KB. That's roughly 3.99GB. Not the same as
4.139GB.
> A KB is 1024 bytes, and a GB is 1024KB. 4,193,347 / 1024 = 3.99
>
>
> >> The Win98 FAT and FAT32 limit is 4GB-1, and the error message doesn't
look
> >> like a Window's error afaict.
> >
> > It has every appearance of a normal Windows error message, but text
searching for
> > part or all of it on the Windows search engine produces no results.
> > So as you say it may be a third party message, however it refers to a
problem
> > Windows has with the action requested as the file copy is inhibited.
>
> I don't know then.. (I was going by the numbers you posted). It may be as
Bill
> in Co. says..
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 1:18:50 PM

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Try a different procedure for the copying. For instance, use drag and drop
instead of cut and paste.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:1118583825.14151.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
> Hi.
> Using W98 SE for video application (Ulead Video Studio 7)
> Hard drive 80 Gb.
> No problems with this application.
> Added second hard drive 80 GB, for additional storage.
> Created folders on new drive and sucessfully used the Ulead application
> with it.
>
> Problem with freeing up space on old drive (12 Gb already free).
> Small (less than 2 GB) AVI files copy across ok,
> but large 4.139 Gb (max W98) files fail.
> error message:
> 'cannot create or replace uvsnnnnn-nnn: the parameter is incorrect'
> where uvsnnnnnn-nnn.AVI is the file name in the Ulead format.
>
> Have searched W98 KB for whole or part error message but no returns.
> Have checked the file attributes and nothing ticked except 'archive'.
> There is nothing apparently wrong with the AVI files which function ok.
>
> Is there a 2 Gb file limit in Win98, I thought the limit was 4 Gb.
>
> Roger (UK)
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 3:07:40 PM

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"pip22" <pip22.1qj7o5@news.win98banter.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Also depends which version of FAT your Windows is using:
> >
> > FAT16 = 2GB max file size
> > FAT32 = 4GB max file size

Definitely FAT 32.

Roger
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 4:21:09 PM

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"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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> > The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead
application
> > window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is 4.193,347
Kb
>
> I guess you mean 4,193,347KB. That's roughly 3.99GB. Not the same as
4.139GB.
> A KB is 1024 bytes, and a GB is 1024KB. 4,193,347 / 1024 = 3.99
>

I see your point, if I have this right, putting it another way:

1Kb = 1024 bytes
My file = 4,193,347Kb = 4,293,987,328 bytes

IGb = 1,073,741,824 bytes
4Gb = 4,294,967,296 bytes.

So my file is ..just...smaller than the 4Gb limit...by 979,968 bytes.
Which ought be ok for the 32 bit FAT system, but somehow isn't.

Thanks for your help I'll raise this problem with the Ulead support and AV
forums as that is now a more suitable forum.

Incidentally FWIW, reflecting on the problem overnight it occurred to me
that it might be something to do with the creation of the AVI file. The AVI
file is sometimes described as a 'bag' containing the mpeg video file, and
the audio and video descriptors, codecs or some such.

I thought that possibly the application had limited the mpeg capture to 4Gb
but when this was added in with the audio and video codecs the resulting
file was somewhat larger.

As the only thing the application ever did with the AVI file was open it,
after which the resulting mpeg file was suitably smaller than 4 GB it never
encountered the problem. But on reflection I don't think the
application's software algorithm designer could possibly have made such an
oversight, and the problem lies elsewhere.

Roger
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 4:21:10 PM

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"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co.uk.invalid> wrote in message news:1118661636.27330.0@lotis.uk.clara.net...
>
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:%23$XYrH7bFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead
> application
>> > window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is 4.193,347
> Kb
>>
>> I guess you mean 4,193,347KB. That's roughly 3.99GB. Not the same as
> 4.139GB.
>> A KB is 1024 bytes, and a GB is 1024KB. 4,193,347 / 1024 = 3.99
>>
>
> I see your point, if I have this right, putting it another way:
>
> 1Kb = 1024 bytes
> My file = 4,193,347Kb = 4,293,987,328 bytes
>
> IGb = 1,073,741,824 bytes
> 4Gb = 4,294,967,296 bytes.
>
> So my file is ..just...smaller than the 4Gb limit...by 979,968 bytes.

Correct. (My own error (as pointed out by the others) not withstanding..)


> Which ought be ok for the 32 bit FAT system, but somehow isn't.
>
> Thanks for your help I'll raise this problem with the Ulead support and AV
> forums as that is now a more suitable forum.
>
> Incidentally FWIW, reflecting on the problem overnight it occurred to me
> that it might be something to do with the creation of the AVI file. The AVI
> file is sometimes described as a 'bag' containing the mpeg video file, and
> the audio and video descriptors, codecs or some such.
>
> I thought that possibly the application had limited the mpeg capture to 4Gb
> but when this was added in with the audio and video codecs the resulting
> file was somewhat larger.
>
> As the only thing the application ever did with the AVI file was open it,
> after which the resulting mpeg file was suitably smaller than 4 GB it never
> encountered the problem. But on reflection I don't think the
> application's software algorithm designer could possibly have made such an
> oversight, and the problem lies elsewhere.

Hard to say. You're definetly pushing the limits when working with files
that large. Let us know if you find out anything.
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 5:44:25 PM

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"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
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> "Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1118583825.14151.0@spandrell.news.uk.clara.net...
>
> File limitation size under WinME is 4GB minus 1 byte. Under certain
> circumstances, it works with 98SE as well. But never had good luck with
it
> in 98SE. So I went with ME for ULead's video encoding. ME seems to work
> better with firewire and MS DirectShow out of the box. Had a similar
setup
> like yours. Pointed ULead's caching file at the alternate hard drive.
> Worked pretty good. Don't remember much else, gave this PC to my
grandkids.

Thanks for those comments. I'm trying to finish off a project using my old
Video Studio 7 with W98 OS although I have the newer VS v 8 (v 9 is out
now) and new hardware and XP waiting in the wings.

I agree the most appropriate set up is to have a second drive for video file
storage and as previously described this problem has arisen after installing
the second drive and trying to free space on the original drive by shifting
the video files across.

> Really don't understand how ULead created a file in excess of 4GB which
you
> have stated as such. 4194304 KB minus one byte is the filesize limitation
> for FAT32. Which is 1 byte less than 4GB. Apparently you translated KBs
> directly to GB per another reply in this thread. Not accurate, and
> misleading to respondents and readers. See my reply to Bill Blanton for
> proper relation of KB to GB.
>
Yes made the mistake thinking in normal decimal mode by simply shifting the
decimal point along for each increased interval, that is:
1000 = 1K, 1,000K =1M. 1,000M = 1G.

I should have realised the computer system is working in powers of 2:
1024b = 1Kb, 1024Kb = 1Mb and 1024Mb = 1Gb.
However I don't appear to be the only one confused as your reply to Bill
Blanton highlights.

My file = 4,193,347Kb
And as you wrote elsewhere:
4Gb = 4,194,304KB
( 4 x 1024Mb where 1Mb = 1024Kb, or 1Gb = 1048576Kb)

Thus my file is smaller than the 4Gb limit,by 957K bytes.

Now we are straight on that I'm no further forward.

Time to contact Ulead support.

Roger
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 6:54:03 PM

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I do find articles at...
http://search.support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1&spid=... MSKB
Search "cannot create or replace"; Windows 98; This Product; Full Text;
All Words; Any Time; suggesting Colorado has remembered it right...

• Low Disk Space Notification Received When Drive Is Full
(188074) - When you attempt to copy files to a drive that is low on free
disk space, you may receive the following error message: Cannot create
or replace <file>: There is not enough free disk space. WARNING: Using
Registry Editor incorrectly can cause...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188074

• Windows 98 Explorer Cannot Copy Large Files
(318293) - When you use Windows Explorer to copy a file that has a size
of 2 gigabytes (2 GB, or 2,147,483,648 bytes) or larger, the file copy
process does not work, and you receive an error message that is similar
to the following error message: Error:...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;318293


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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
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"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co4uk.invalid> wrote in message
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|
| "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
| news:u$AbIL3bFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| >
| > > I assume 4 Gb is a nominal number since in my case an hours worth
of video
| > > produces three files of exactly 4.139 Gb and a smaller fouth one
(about 1.2
| Gb)
| > > for the remainder.
| >
| > Where (what program) are you seeing these file size numbers?
| >
|
| The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead
application
| window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is
4.193,347 Kb
|
| >
| > The Win98 FAT and FAT32 limit is 4GB-1, and the error message
doesn't look
| > like a Window's error afaict.
|
| It has every appearance of a normal Windows error message, but text
searching for
| part or all of it on the Windows search engine produces no results.
| So as you say it may be a third party message, however it refers to a
problem
| Windows has with the action requested as the file copy is inhibited.
|
| Roger
|
|
|
|
Anonymous
June 13, 2005 8:54:37 PM

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Roger R wrote:
> "pip22" <pip22.1qj7o5@news.win98banter.com> wrote in message
> news:p ip22.1qj7o5@news.win98banter.com...
>>>
>>> Also depends which version of FAT your Windows is using:
>>>
>>> FAT16 = 2GB max file size
>>> FAT32 = 4GB max file size
>
> Definitely FAT 32.
>
> Roger

Yes, you can create a 4GB file with FAT32, but that doesn't mean you can
copy or move it (in windows explorer)/. As I said, you may have to do
that in DOS. And even then, you're limited to 4 GB (or 4.12 GB, or whatever
the exact number was)
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 12:37:23 PM

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AVI files contain all the video/audio information, and are not coded like
other AV files like mpeg2 or 4. Raw video to AVI, using your current
program stores that video/audio informaition that way. And, may have an
option to do a concurrent mpeg translation at the same time. Windows
explorer may help you find such a group of files after translating raw video
to AVI by your software. At least that was my experience a couple of years
ago with version 5.

AVI to the proper setup for DVD compatible mpeg2 allows use of this for
result to be further converted to DVD formatted files. If you start with
AVI, you get the best video clarity results.
"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:%23$XYrH7bFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > The file sizes are those shown by Windows Explorer. FWIW the Ulead
> application
> > > window shows the same numbers. The exact file size shown is
4.193,347
> Kb
> >
> > I guess you mean 4,193,347KB. That's roughly 3.99GB. Not the same as
> 4.139GB.
> > A KB is 1024 bytes, and a GB is 1024KB. 4,193,347 / 1024 = 3.99
> >
>
> I see your point, if I have this right, putting it another way:
>
> 1Kb = 1024 bytes
> My file = 4,193,347Kb = 4,293,987,328 bytes
>
> IGb = 1,073,741,824 bytes
> 4Gb = 4,294,967,296 bytes.
>
> So my file is ..just...smaller than the 4Gb limit...by 979,968 bytes.
> Which ought be ok for the 32 bit FAT system, but somehow isn't.
>
> Thanks for your help I'll raise this problem with the Ulead support and AV
> forums as that is now a more suitable forum.
>
> Incidentally FWIW, reflecting on the problem overnight it occurred to me
> that it might be something to do with the creation of the AVI file. The
AVI
> file is sometimes described as a 'bag' containing the mpeg video file, and
> the audio and video descriptors, codecs or some such.
>
> I thought that possibly the application had limited the mpeg capture to
4Gb
> but when this was added in with the audio and video codecs the resulting
> file was somewhat larger.
>
> As the only thing the application ever did with the AVI file was open it,
> after which the resulting mpeg file was suitably smaller than 4 GB it
never
> encountered the problem. But on reflection I don't think the
> application's software algorithm designer could possibly have made such an
> oversight, and the problem lies elsewhere.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 9:03:20 PM

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"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> I do find articles at...
> • Windows 98 Explorer Cannot Copy Large Files
> (318293) - When you use Windows Explorer to copy a file that has a size
> of 2 gigabytes (2 GB, or 2,147,483,648 bytes) or larger, the file copy
> process does not work, and you receive an error message that is similar
> to the following error message: Error:...
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;318293

Is the right answer!

Thanks for that. I don't know why my search of the MS Knowledge base did
not turn this up.

As recommended, using the COPY command in DOS mode has sucessfully copied
the files.

Interesting to note that though the issue in W98 is caused by Shell32.dll
from Internet Explorer 4 and has been corrected in ME and 2000 by Internet
Explorer 5, later versions of Internet Explorer don't update the Shell32.dll
in W98. So although I am running IE 6 it doesn't correct the problem.

Roger
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 9:03:21 PM

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You are welcome. I guess it was some kind of ploy meant to get us to
"upgrade" to WinME, but I didn't fall for it-- or XP either! Colorado
almost went for XP, though!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
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pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:1118770827.26191.0@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net...
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:o $GP7kEcFHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > I do find articles at...
| > • Windows 98 Explorer Cannot Copy Large Files
| > (318293) - When you use Windows Explorer to copy a file that has a
size
| > of 2 gigabytes (2 GB, or 2,147,483,648 bytes) or larger, the file
copy
| > process does not work, and you receive an error message that is
similar
| > to the following error message: Error:...
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;318293
|
| Is the right answer!
|
| Thanks for that. I don't know why my search of the MS Knowledge base
did
| not turn this up.
|
| As recommended, using the COPY command in DOS mode has sucessfully
copied
| the files.
|
| Interesting to note that though the issue in W98 is caused by
Shell32.dll
| from Internet Explorer 4 and has been corrected in ME and 2000 by
Internet
| Explorer 5, later versions of Internet Explorer don't update the
Shell32.dll
| in W98. So although I am running IE 6 it doesn't correct the
problem.
|
| Roger
|
|
|
|
|
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 9:03:21 PM

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If you use smart drive in DOS the copy should be swifter. Also try using XCOPY
to copy over entire folders/files. You will need to have a boot disk with XCOPY
on it first before you can use it.

XCOPY command/switches:
http://www.computerhope.com/xcopyhlp.htm

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{ MS MVP_Shell/User }
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"Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:o $GP7kEcFHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> I do find articles at...
>> . Windows 98 Explorer Cannot Copy Large Files
>> (318293) - When you use Windows Explorer to copy a file that has a size
>> of 2 gigabytes (2 GB, or 2,147,483,648 bytes) or larger, the file copy
>> process does not work, and you receive an error message that is similar
>> to the following error message: Error:...
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;318293
>
> Is the right answer!
>
> Thanks for that. I don't know why my search of the MS Knowledge base did
> not turn this up.
>
> As recommended, using the COPY command in DOS mode has sucessfully copied
> the files.
>
> Interesting to note that though the issue in W98 is caused by Shell32.dll
> from Internet Explorer 4 and has been corrected in ME and 2000 by Internet
> Explorer 5, later versions of Internet Explorer don't update the Shell32.dll
> in W98. So although I am running IE 6 it doesn't correct the problem.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 10:28:13 PM

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"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hard to say. You're definetly pushing the limits when working with files
> that large. Let us know if you find out anything.

PCR writing here has found the solution in MS KB318293

The problem is caused by Shell32.dll which can only handle files up to 2Gb.
Recommended solution is to restart in DOS and use the COPY command from the
DOS prompt to copy the files.

I have successfully copied my files using this method. It can take two or
three minutes to copy each file which initially causes some anxiety when the
prompt disappears and there is disk activity for this length of time as
something untoward may be happening. It is a relief to see the message '1
file successfully copied'.

KB318293 gives this account of why the problem persists in W98:
The Shell32.dll originates as part of Internet Explorer 4 in W98. The
issue has been corrected in Me and 2000 by Internet Explorer 5 but it
doesn't correct W98.

So although I've been through IE5 and am currently running IE6 the issue in
W98 remains unresolved.

Roger
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 10:40:00 PM

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eXy8irGcFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Yes, you can create a 4GB file with FAT32, but that doesn't mean you can
> copy or move it (in windows explorer)/. As I said, you may have to do
> that in DOS. And even then, you're limited to 4 GB (or 4.12 GB, or
whatever
> the exact number was)

As PCR has pointed out MS article K318293 addresses the issue and describes
why the problem persists in the W98 FAT 32 system.

As a solution, it advises, as you have, copying the file using DOS.
I have successfully copied the files using this method.

With the increasing popularity of video editing for home users I expect
others will encounter this problem. Though XP is of course a preferable OS
for video editing, in the home environment upgrading hardware and OS may not
be at the top of the list of domestic priorities.

Roger
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 10:40:01 PM

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Roger R wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:eXy8irGcFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Yes, you can create a 4GB file with FAT32, but that doesn't mean you can
>> copy or move it (in windows explorer)/. As I said, you may have to do
>> that in DOS. And even then, you're limited to 4 GB (or 4.12 GB, or
>>whatever the exact number was)
>
> As PCR has pointed out MS article K318293 addresses the issue and
> describes why the problem persists in the W98 FAT 32 system.
>
> As a solution, it advises, as you have, copying the file using DOS.
> I have successfully copied the files using this method.

Well, that's what I've been trying to tell ya, for the past 2 days!!! :-)

> With the increasing popularity of video editing for home users I expect
> others will encounter this problem. Though XP is of course a preferable
OS
> for video editing, in the home environment upgrading hardware and OS may
> not be at the top of the list of domestic priorities.
>
> Roger

The solution is for the app to write the video files in 1 GB segments (give
or take), or at least have that option available. And I think many video
apps still do. Of course, if you get a video app that only works on NTFS
(I mean, not FAT here) and says so, that would be a different story. And
that may be the future, who knows.
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 11:36:02 PM

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"Bill Blanton" wrote:
> "Roger R" <telstar461703@clara4co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1118661636.27330.0@lotis.uk.clara.net...
> >
> > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> > news:%23$XYrH7bFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>   >> > The file sizes are those shown by Windows
> Explorer. FWIW the Ulead
> > application
>   >> > window shows the same numbers. The exact
> file size shown is 4.193,347
> > Kb
>  >>
>  >> I guess you mean 4,193,347KB. That's roughly 3.99GB.
> Not the same as
> > 4.139GB.
>  >> A KB is 1024 bytes, and a GB is 1024KB. 4,193,347 /
> 1024 = 3.99
>  >>
> >
> > I see your point, if I have this right, putting it another
> way:
> >
> > 1Kb = 1024 bytes
> > My file = 4,193,347Kb = 4,293,987,328 bytes
> >
> > IGb = 1,073,741,824 bytes
> > 4Gb = 4,294,967,296 bytes.
> >
> > So my file is ..just...smaller than the 4Gb limit...by
> 979,968 bytes.
>
> Correct. (My own error (as pointed out by the others) not
> withstanding..)
>
>
> > Which ought be ok for the 32 bit FAT system, but somehow
> isn't.
> >
> > Thanks for your help I'll raise this problem with the Ulead
> support and AV
> > forums as that is now a more suitable forum.
> >
> > Incidentally FWIW, reflecting on the problem overnight it
> occurred to me
> > that it might be something to do with the creation of the
> AVI file. The AVI
> > file is sometimes described as a 'bag' containing the mpeg
> video file, and
> > the audio and video descriptors, codecs or some such.
> >
> > I thought that possibly the application had limited the mpeg
> capture to 4Gb
> > but when this was added in with the audio and video codecs
> the resulting
> > file was somewhat larger.
> >
> > As the only thing the application ever did with the AVI file
> was open it,
> > after which the resulting mpeg file was suitably smaller
> than 4 GB it never
> > encountered the problem. But on reflection I don't think
> the
> > application's software algorithm designer could possibly
> have made such an
> > oversight, and the problem lies elsewhere.
>
> Hard to say. You're definetly pushing the limits when working
> with files
> that large. Let us know if you find out anything.

I just ran into the same problem.

Microsoft does address the problem here -->
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;318293

The only solution is file copy in DOS for Win 98.


-----update - It Worked!

DOS COPY is required in WIN98 for files over 2 GB.

Always love a workaround!

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