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May 1, 2006 9:09:50 PM

It's time to upgrade and apparently a lot has gone on since my last purchase 3 years ago because I am totally lost! I've been doing research for a week now, and for the 2,000 I want to spend what's below seems to be my best bet. It's a custom that a shop is going to put together for me. Are they ripping me off or should it be a go?!

AMD Athlon-64 X2 4200
2 GB Ram (Crucial is the company I believe)
120GB HD 8,7200 I believe are the specs
MSI SLi K8N motherboard
GeForce 7900GTX 512
DVD RW
Windows XP

final price - 1999.95

Any thoughts?

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May 1, 2006 9:17:07 PM

you could get much better if you build yourself.

Opteron 170- 400 dollars
G.Skill Extream 2gb- 159 dollars
x1900xt- 450 dollars
DFI Lanparty UT- 122 dollars
250 gb HDD- 90 dollars
XP PRO- 140 dollars
Sweet Case and Powerful PSU- 250 dollars TOPS
DVD RW drive- 40 dollars

You have a lot left over. You could get a opteron 180 instead and be at 2k. You could go crossfire and be a little over. You could add a few raptor drives. So what I am saying is BUILD YOURSELF
May 1, 2006 9:46:16 PM

you are going to pay too much for that system.

I am going to build a system like this:
AMd 4200 ($357)
2gb OCZ ram platinum ($188)
Gigabyte pro sli ($100)
Geforce 7600 gt ($200)
antec truepower II 550watts ($90)
Aspire case ($58)
SB Audigy 2 ZS ($70)
Barracuda 200 GB sata ($100)
and a monitor, keyboard, mouse, disc drives, and OS
TOTAL: $1550 (around that) from NEWEGG.COM (great site)

I don't know the price of your gpu, but you shouldn't be paying that much.
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May 1, 2006 9:50:13 PM

It might be a reasonable deal but first.

Read the THG articles on CPU charts & VGA charts to find the best performers for the tasks you require from your PC.

Get 3 or 4 quotes from different shops telling each one you are seeing who does the best deal.

Get the a printout / fax of the components and price up the parts yourself on the web.

When you do get your new rig get protection (spybot, adaware, antivirus,) loaded first.

Good luck.
May 1, 2006 9:52:37 PM

I guess my post didnt allow for a Nvidia fan so just sub that x1900xt for a 7900gtx if you would like.
May 1, 2006 9:57:45 PM

Now these prices are off new egg and also this is the same system i have.

CPU:AMD Opteron 175 can get up @2.8-9 stable with proper cooling 506
MB:Ur choice DFI-ASUS both 190's
RAM: Mushkin PC 4000 2GB 194
PSU:-Ur choice 100
Case:150
HD:WD:36.7 107
SD: CL Augidy 2 75
Graphic's:XFX PV-T71F-YDP9 GeForce 7900 GTX EXTREME (690MHz) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 589
or crossfire
View Pic ATI 100-435805 Radeon X1900XTX 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail 599

$1911 or $1921

ur choice this sys rocks but i have 2 7900gtx's they kick a$$
May 1, 2006 10:01:05 PM

Quote:
Now these prices are off new egg and also this is the same system i have.

CPU:AMD Opteron 175 can get up @2.8-9 stable with proper cooling 506
MB:Ur choice DFI-ASUS both 190's
RAM: Mushkin PC 4000 2GB 194
PSU:-Ur choice 100
Case:150
HD:WD:36.7 107
SD: CL Augidy 2 75
Graphic's:XFX PV-T71F-YDP9 GeForce 7900 GTX EXTREME (690MHz) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 589
or crossfire
View Pic ATI 100-435805 Radeon X1900XTX 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail 599

$1911 or $1921

ur choice this sys rocks but i have 2 7900gtx's they kick a$$


If you going ATI dont get the x1900xt it aint worth the HUGE price increase
May 1, 2006 10:07:52 PM

Yeah i know. I just didn't know the price of the newer card and that may be the reason for the higher price. I was just showing my setup so he could compare.
May 1, 2006 10:16:32 PM

At least you included the price of Windows in the initial list, but you forgot a case and a power supply.

But you're definitely in the right ballpark.
May 1, 2006 10:16:35 PM

OK how's this updated version:

AMD Athlon-64 4000+
Crucial 2GB RAM
GeForce 7900GTX
WD Raptor 150GB 16cache - 10,000RPM
ASUS A8N-SLI nForce4
DVD R/W
Windows XP Pro

1949.95
May 1, 2006 10:18:01 PM

I forgot the case and power supply again...I'm actually not sure about the case, but power supply is 600...same price I listed... 1949.95
May 1, 2006 10:45:40 PM

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Don't get the 4000+. Get a dual core. Single cores are basically done for. Only get a dual core if you're on a tight budget. In your case, you can get a X2 3800+, or Optron 165.


You can get a opteron 165 for a price of a 4000+
You can OC that opty to 2.4 also
May 1, 2006 11:42:59 PM

I agree with the posters above that suggested newegg.

You can newegg it for less.

If you do not want to build it yourself I can build it for you.

PM me :-D
May 1, 2006 11:45:45 PM

the 4200 is only about 15-25 more on newegg compared to the 4000
May 2, 2006 12:04:42 AM

I would definetly go with an Opteron instead of an X2. Opterons are tested to a much higher level than the X2. They are designed to operate 24/7/365 so they run incredibly cool. I just built my system after doing weeks of research and I bought an Opteron 170. The 165 is also great, but you get another multiplier with the 170. Stock speed is 2Ghz but I overclocked it to 2.6Ghz and it barely raised the temp. These chips are friggin awesome. 2.6 is FX-60 speed!
Also the 7900gtx and the X1900XT are both great cards but the X1900XT video quality is much better. Look at any of the reviews and youll see what I mean. The price for a X1900XT is actually about $440 right now from newegg.
If your gonna overclock then make sure you get the right ram. The speed of your chip has to match the speed of your ram. Hope this helps.
May 2, 2006 12:33:52 AM

dont get AMD 4000 with this budget. go dual core instead. ill go for amd 4000 only if my budget was under $1000. Dual cores are much faster, two CPU in one. Get AMD Opteron 165 or 170. This Opterons overclocks nicely. Over clocks up to a stable 2.6 or 2.8, the same speed as a FX-60 with a good temperature. I have a 2 configuration if u are interested, one with crossfire, and one with single card. Check prices at end. one with monitor, and other with no monitor.
Some links might not workd since they update daily. Just go to the store official website and search hardware. THIS Configs also includes Sound Card, something u dont have listed. DOnt go with NVIDIA. NVidia is not capable running HDR and Antiliasing at the same time, this mean will not show u a better image than a ATI X1900 cards, since are able to run HDR and ANtiliasing at the same time. IF u dont care about desk space, go with CRT. CRT are the best monitors for gaming. LCD are not as good as CRT. LCD still need years to improve. and CRT are much cheaper in price and much better than the most expensice LCD. This XFI is much much better audio than Sound Blaster Audigy z.
U will have much better surround sound, will turn any audio file into a crispy audio. Upgrade to this soundcard.

Abit 3200 Motherboard
Hiper Type-R 580W Modular Power Supply
Case:Cooler Master
AMD Opteron 165 Dual Core Processor
ATI X1900 Xtx cross fire
Sapphire Radeon X1900 XTX Video Card
OCZ 2gb 3200 memory
XFI platinum
NEC ND-3550A Dual Layer DVD±RW
Samsung SyncMaster 997mb 19" Monitor
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB Hard Drive




Motherboard.ABIT AT8 32X Motherboard $184.24
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202516546&Sea...

ower supply Hiper Type-R 580W Modular Power Supply $110.00
http://www.xoxide.com/hiper-power-supply-black.html

Processor- AMD Opteron 165 Dual Core Processor $352.35
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Video Card- ATI X1900 CrossFire Edition Video Card- $553.67
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Sc...

Sapphire Radeon X1900 XTX Video Card $484.67
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Sc...

Memory-OCZ Technology 2GB PC3200 DDR DIMM Dual Channel Platinum Memory $204.48
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Sound Card-Creative X-Fi Platinum- $176.50
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=detai...


Monitor-Samsung SyncMaster 997mb 19" Monitor - $190.00
http://www.ctistore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=P...

Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB Hard Drive $90.35
http://www.directron.com/6v250f0.html


NEC ND-3550A Dual Layer DVD±RW $43.34
http://www.directron.com/nd3550a.html

Case:Cooler Master CAC-T05UW Centurion 5 Black/Silver Mid Tower $62.79
http://www.shopperexpo.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCo...



WITH MONITORs

w/single ATI 1900 XTX 512mb
TOTAL: $1898.72

in Crossfire Config.
Total:$2452.62

With No Monitors.

w/single ATI X1900 XTX 512mb
TOTAL: $1708.72

in CROSSFIRE CONFIG
total: $2262.62
May 2, 2006 12:47:33 AM

Get a Sonatta II Case. Cheap, an awesome case, and includes the PSU. Which is also really good.

ALSO, NEWEGG IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. PLEASE PEOPLE. SHOP AROUND. USE THE TOOLS PROVIDED TO YOU BY THE INTERNET. DON'T FALL INTO THE PIT OF, "I'M A GEEK, SO I BUY ON NEWEGG".

This has been a DDay public service announcement.
May 2, 2006 12:49:32 AM

can somebody explain to me how crossfire works? SLi I can understand...SLi motherboard, 2 of the same Nvidia GPUs...done! How does crossfire work? Is it the same? Which is the best ATI card?? Which is the best crossfire setup? Keep in mind that I would rather get ONE top of the line card now (ie. 7900gtx) and then get a second later, which is easy with SLi...is it easy with crossfire?
May 2, 2006 12:59:13 AM

Really, don't bother with SLi, its right now just a marketing gimmick with minimal increase in system specs. But soon, very soon this may change. Just not with these cards, and not in the next month. So, really, I would recommend the 7900 GTX. As for what crossfire is, its the ATI equivalent of SLi. They both use a bridge to connect the two cards.

DDay
May 2, 2006 1:03:57 AM

The 7900GTX was my original choice...but what is about all this talk about how much better the X1900XTX is?? Which is it?! IM so confused :( 
May 2, 2006 1:05:43 AM

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The 7900GTX was my original choice...but what is about all this talk about how much better the X1900XTX is?? Which is it?! IM so confused :( 



The X1900XTX is 1-10 FPS faster in some D3D games. The 7900GTX is faster in OpenGL games.

It's almost a tie.

Either card will be fine.
May 2, 2006 1:11:35 AM

Quote:
Get a Sonatta II Case. Cheap, an awesome case, and includes the PSU. Which is also really good.

ALSO, NEWEGG IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. PLEASE PEOPLE. SHOP AROUND. USE THE TOOLS PROVIDED TO YOU BY THE INTERNET. DON'T FALL INTO THE PIT OF, "I'M A GEEK, SO I BUY ON NEWEGG".

This has been a DDay public service announcement.


True but If it were me I would choose one website to get EVERYTHING off of and save cash on shipping and if something goes wrong. You only have to worry about RMA'ing to one site
May 2, 2006 1:13:42 AM

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can somebody explain to me how crossfire works? SLi I can understand...SLi motherboard, 2 of the same Nvidia GPUs...done! How does crossfire work? Is it the same? Which is the best ATI card?? Which is the best crossfire setup? Keep in mind that I would rather get ONE top of the line card now (ie. 7900gtx) and then get a second later, which is easy with SLi...is it easy with crossfire?


Crossfire requires a special Crossfire Mastercard as one of the 2 cards and a cable links them together externally.

The top end ATI cards at the moment are X1900 XT and X1900 XT-X. The mastercard is actually a X1900 XT and so it is pointless to pay the premium for the XT-X as your second card (it will be downclocked to mach the mastercard). Also the XT version is deemed to be much better value for only 25 MHz less clock speed.

Asus and DFI seem to be supplying the best Crossfire motherboards at the moment.

Regarding performance, there is not much to choose between the top end SLI and Crossfire cards at the moment. ATI seem to push ahead with shader heavy games a bit but nVidia are better with OpenGL graphics.

I am going with the ATI solution because, in the X1900 cards, ATI increased the size of their hierarchical Z-buffer cache by 50% specifically to improve performance at resolutions above 1600x1200. Since I'm aiming at using an 1920 * 1200 monitor, I thought it will work out the better solution, as well as being cheaper than dual 7900 GTX cards.

SLI is definately easier to implement though and has a wider choice of mobos.
May 2, 2006 1:14:06 AM

Its funny, yes, it may seem that i'm being a fan boy, though really, I should be allowed to be one with all the newegg fanboys on here. I used http://stores.tomshardware.com which is also known as pricegrabber, and every single part I am ordering is coming from ZZF cause they have the lowest price on them all. My case is coming from Club IT.

DDay
May 2, 2006 1:17:35 AM

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Asus and DFI seem to be supplying the best Crossfire motherboards at the moment.


Asus and DFI seem to be supplying the best anything boards right now. Good by me.

DDay
May 2, 2006 1:20:48 AM

Quote:
Asus and DFI seem to be supplying the best Crossfire motherboards at the moment.


Asus and DFI seem to be supplying the best anything boards right now. Good by me.

DDay


I agree :-D

ASUS and DFI are usually very good.

Epox is decent.

MSI is ok.
May 2, 2006 10:01:56 AM

OK so the vid card is 50/50...what about the processor...Athlon-64, Athlon-64 X2, Opteron?? Keep in mind that I have never overclocked before and I have no idea how...
May 2, 2006 10:10:28 AM

If u want to set Cross fire later on. Buy a cross fire certified motherboard, dont get motherboard with ATI 200 get it with ATI 3200, 3200 this cards runs at TRUE 16x. Do not buy a SLI motherboard, or else this cards wont work.
May 2, 2006 10:13:56 AM

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OK so the vid card is 50/50...what about the processor...Athlon-64, Athlon-64 X2, Opteron?? Keep in mind that I have never overclocked before and I have no idea how...



Many Opterons OC very well but your mileage will vary depending on your CPU and motherboard.

If you're planning to OC then get a DFI Lanparty nF4 motherboard + a Dual Core Opteron 1xx Socket 939.

If you decide not to OC any quality nF4 board will do just fine.
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