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Seriously, I'm not going to use sm3.0, help me on my decision

Total: 47 votes

  • x850xt for $164 - 179usd
  • 24 %
  • x1800gto - $199
  • 69 %
  • something else in the range all but 7600gt
  • 9 %
May 2, 2006 3:40:41 AM

Title says it all. I play my games at 1024x768 crt. I want to upgrade from my 9700pro, again!! I've tried for 2yrs now to upgrade!! Always sent back or took back the cards for lack of price to look of my games, UNTIL NOW!!

Not looking for lcd until DX10 comes out. The same with my next Video card upgrade.

What I want to know.

I play a mod for BF, called Forgotten Hope (http://forgottenhope.bf1942files.com/index.php?flash=ye...), Call of Duty 2, Quake 4, and still some Quake 3 Arena Freeze Tag (Keeps My Aim Up..FRAGS, hehe) so basically all the war games except BF2, until Forgotten Hope 2 Mod comes around. I have BF2, don't care for the gameplay..

Okay, I don't want to hear about the 7600gt, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM idiotic ATI, or NVIDIA people. I want a complete honest opinion.

I already tried an eVGA 6800gs, wow!! What a difference, in windows xp loading, my games, but had to send it back. I bought a AGP board because in case I needed a back up card, I could use my ATI. Well, screw that idea now. I am going to PCI, because of HOW CHEAP PCI cards are getting.

I need something, well, WANT something to get me by till DX10 comes out. I don't play kids games, lol. You know, like Oblivion, and fakey games like that. I LOVE realistic war games!

Really, I am itching to get an x850xt or PE, till DX10 comes out, but yet I look at a card like the x1800xt or 7900gt, for $100 more! Really doesn't do that much more then the x850xt though, so I put the x850xt back in my shopping card on Newegg. $179 for x850xt or x800xt would be a great upgrade for me. Don't you think, or would or should I splurge on the x1800xt for now. I just don't want to break the bank yet. I would rather do it when DX10 comes out.

I hope you people who read this can understand my hard decisions here. ANY INPUT would be great. I am going to make this upgrade in a couple days.

I am sick on reading and reading on the net about whom and what is better. So figured I would ask you fellow geeks to help me out.

To me, $179 is just perfect for an upgrade, but is there other reasons I should be looking at besides SMC 3.O on newer cards, when I might not use 3.0 till DX10 comes out. Thanks again guys!!

BTW, system spects;

Opteron 144, 2meg ddr3200
Raptor 74
650 watt power supply
Logitech G5 laser
May 2, 2006 3:54:32 AM

Quote:
Okay, I don't want to hear about the 7600gt.


Mind if I ask why not? It's a good card, I have 3 friends that bought them, and it performs fantastically in their budget rigs.

I have a buddy with an X850XT, he's not a huge fan, but still likes how it performs compared to his previous card (MX 4000 ftw, lol).

If you're looking specific companies, check out XFX, BFG, eVGA, HIS, Gigabyte.
May 2, 2006 4:59:20 AM

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Really, I am itching to get an x850xt or PE, till DX10 comes out

I recommend following your itch.



And what does your age have to do with anything?
May 2, 2006 5:04:05 AM

Its only 35 bucks more for the x1800 gto... tough choice.

I have an x850xt, and you're right for most 1024 aps its okay,
but i have lcd so at 1280 x 1024 its a little slow on the newer games.

I'd get the gto...
Another thing i like about the x1xxx's is that you can adjust the core voltage from windows.
that might be a bad thing for some people though.
MUST O/C further for that 5% performance! :lol: 

BOOM... smoke ~~~~~ :cry: 
May 2, 2006 5:11:31 AM

If you don't want to spend more than 180 and you don't want to hear about the 7600gt then you don't want a complete honest opinion. You want a "go buy the ati" statement.

so

go buy the ati
May 2, 2006 5:14:13 AM

ohh yeah and by slow,
i meant everything max and its only doing 30-50 fps just to clarify.

(i like FPS to be in the 60+ range)

Anyway, you'll love either card going from a 9700 pro.
May 2, 2006 5:40:37 AM

Quote:

I already tried an eVGA 6800gs, wow!! What a difference, in windows xp loading, my games, but had to send it back.


how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...
a c 365 U Graphics card
May 2, 2006 5:50:30 AM

You seem to play a few games that favor ATI and a few that favor nVidia GPUs.

DX10 video cards will be coming out either in the fall or winter of this year. Sticking a DX10 GPU into a system not running Vista will act lilke any other DX9 GPU. Therefore, if you really do want DX10 you'll need to install Windows Vista on your PC.

The only game that is being released which will require DX10 is Halo 2. I'm sure there wil be plenty of games in the future that will be DX9 compatible.

You need to ask yourself when do you expect to upgrade to Windows Vista? If you will do so immediately or soon after it becomes available next January, then it may be worthwhile to get a mid range card now and upgrade in the near future.

If you have no intentions of upgrading to Vista for a while then just buy a powerful GPU now.

As I said before, you are playing some games that favors ATI, while other favor nVidia. Simply get the one that fits best into your budget.

7600GT or the X850XT - Take your pick.
7900GT or the X1800XT - Take your pick.

Spend maybe $50 more to get the X1900XT.

Both ATI and nVidia has powerful cards. The absolute best single card solution will probably be the X1900XTX.
May 2, 2006 6:20:44 AM

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If you don't want to spend more than 180 and you don't want to hear about the 7600gt then you don't want a complete honest opinion. You want a "go buy the ati" statement.

so

go buy the ati


This is why I don't want to hear about it? Simple!! I don't need my post filled by a bunch of bs of a nvidiot, or an ati moron. I could care less what brand I get!

If I wanted a 7600gt, I wouldn't have posted this thread, nor would I have wasted my time posting. I could care less what Nvidia has come up with to satisfy us mid range users. They have had years to catch up to ATI and finally have. With a card that has sm3 and can't even push it. 7800's and 7900's are awesome, but out of my price range for something I can only use for a few months. I'm trying to be logical, and more of the dad that has a kid, house, car and many other things to worry about then wasting $200 more dollars to go from a 7900gt to a 7900gtx, it's absurd.

So please, keep the negativity out of my post.

Quote:
how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...


So when you turn 33, you will have a life as mine, and realize that you don't blow money. You spend it wisely geek boy. I have other things that you can really brag about, like this http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2254648, my beautiful daughter, and mother!

So once again,
Quote:


how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...



Every post I read on THG, I see morons like this always ruining a “mans” post. I wish people like this can be weeded out.

Please keep the stupid and obviously no knowledge of computers and start your own post to help you with your OWN question.

BTW, learn grammar while you’re in school. It will take you a long ways.

** That was the thing though Jaguarskx, I really can’t justify putting that into a card that will only last till then $300+.

I’m one that, well as you can tell, I don’t want to pay for the best just yet. I would like to wait it out, and make good use out of my card as I have with my 9700pro. I’ve had the Ti 4600, 9800xt, 5900, and 6800gs and ending up going back. I don’t mind putting my extra money into a card that will last. It’s just too hard for me to keep up now. I try to read up as much as I can but just can’t devote that much time into research anymore. I’m leaning toward the x1800xt or gto only because of the power and it can push the sm3 when games do start to come along with it, where as the 7600gt shows its signs of weakness. But will I use it?

I think I may just go with the x850xt $160 and wait it out. But really like you guys opinions so far. I just want to make sure I’m thinking right is all. You know by you buy it, then a couple weeks later, your kicking yourself in the ass. I just may end up going with high end. I don’t know it’s why I asked you guys. I don’t use the high resolutions.

So your help is welcome, I’ll keep reading what you guys can help me with on my decisions. I mean any upgrade would be better then what I have. LOL.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2006 12:16:08 PM

Stock speeds the X850XT and X1800GTO trade blows. The X850XT may even come out slightly on top. But once you overclock, the X1800GTO has the most potential. Both good cards for the money. If you can stretch to a $260 256MB X1800XT, you are in a whole new league. Although that high a card doesn't seem needed for the games you listed.
May 2, 2006 1:02:54 PM

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I am going to PCI, because of HOW CHEAP PCI cards are getting.



Just to make sure - you do mean pci - express, cos a pci-ex card needs a compatible motherboard and wont fit in an AGP mobo.

Sorry if that seems obvious but you didn't list your motherboard in the specs and it's better to be sure rather than buy the card and realise it doesn't fit!
May 2, 2006 1:14:43 PM

X1800XT > 7600gt > x1800gto > X850
Understand?
May 2, 2006 1:18:24 PM

Quote:

Just to make sure - you do mean pci - express, cos a pci-ex card needs a compatible motherboard and wont fit in an AGP mobo.

Sorry if that seems obvious but you didn't list your motherboard in the specs and it's better to be sure rather than buy the card and realise it doesn't fit!


The guys 33! Surely he knows this by now. I mean, he doesn't even play kids games anymore :wink: .
May 2, 2006 1:55:53 PM

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also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...


LoL ok smartass, Im also 33 and I still love playing computer games as well. Just because you are 33 does not mean the gaming has to end 8) As for having a real life I also have one of those, I am married to a beutiful lady who happens to be a pharmicist and I myself am a police officer. Im willing to bet when Im having sex with my lovely wife your sitting in front of your computer with one hand on the keyboard and one hand around your chicken :oops: 
May 2, 2006 1:58:20 PM

i congratulate you retards on turning this into a flamewar. im 16, and it seems i have more maturity than either of you.
May 2, 2006 1:58:50 PM

Quote:
X1800XT > 7600gt > x1800gto > X850
Understand?


X1800XT>X850XT>X1800GTO>7600GT

Fixed it for ya :lol:  Dont even give me the shader 3.0 BS either, the guy already said that SM3 did not matter and in that case the X850XT is the clear winner. Besides the 7600GT does not even have the power to take full advantage of SM3 without games becoming a slideshow.
May 2, 2006 2:00:02 PM

The 7600gt is more powerful than the x1800gto, I can prove that if you like. Also, it is more powerful than a 6800gt which is more powerful than an X850. The x1800xt blows them all away though, since it's more expensive.
May 2, 2006 2:03:22 PM

The price of a card has nothing to do with its performance. It's actually the other way around...
May 2, 2006 2:05:20 PM

Yeah, actually it does. The more you pay for things, the more power you get. Just look at Nvidia's/ATi's pricing scheme. Goes from least to most performing...
May 2, 2006 2:07:15 PM

Quote:
If you don't want to spend more than 180 and you don't want to hear about the 7600gt then you don't want a complete honest opinion. You want a "go buy the ati" statement.

so

go buy the ati


This is why I don't want to hear about it? Simple!! I don't need my post filled by a bunch of bs of a nvidiot, or an ati moron. I could care less what brand I get!

If I wanted a 7600gt, I wouldn't have posted this thread, nor would I have wasted my time posting. I could care less what Nvidia has come up with to satisfy us mid range users. They have had years to catch up to ATI and finally have. With a card that has sm3 and can't even push it. 7800's and 7900's are awesome, but out of my price range for something I can only use for a few months. I'm trying to be logical, and more of the dad that has a kid, house, car and many other things to worry about then wasting $200 more dollars to go from a 7900gt to a 7900gtx, it's absurd.

So please, keep the negativity out of my post.

Quote:
how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...


So when you turn 33, you will have a life as mine, and realize that you don't blow money. You spend it wisely geek boy. I have other things that you can really brag about, like this http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2254648, my beautiful daughter, and mother!

So once again,
Quote:


how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...



Every post I read on THG, I see morons like this always ruining a “mans” post. I wish people like this can be weeded out.

Please keep the stupid and obviously no knowledge of computers and start your own post to help you with your OWN question.

BTW, learn grammar while you’re in school. It will take you a long ways.

** That was the thing though Jaguarskx, I really can’t justify putting that into a card that will only last till then $300+.

I’m one that, well as you can tell, I don’t want to pay for the best just yet. I would like to wait it out, and make good use out of my card as I have with my 9700pro. I’ve had the Ti 4600, 9800xt, 5900, and 6800gs and ending up going back. I don’t mind putting my extra money into a card that will last. It’s just too hard for me to keep up now. I try to read up as much as I can but just can’t devote that much time into research anymore. I’m leaning toward the x1800xt or gto only because of the power and it can push the sm3 when games do start to come along with it, where as the 7600gt shows its signs of weakness. But will I use it?

I think I may just go with the x850xt $160 and wait it out. But really like you guys opinions so far. I just want to make sure I’m thinking right is all. You know by you buy it, then a couple weeks later, your kicking yourself in the ass. I just may end up going with high end. I don’t know it’s why I asked you guys. I don’t use the high resolutions.

So your help is welcome, I’ll keep reading what you guys can help me with on my decisions. I mean any upgrade would be better then what I have. LOL.

First of all nice ride guy! :wink: Guess I might have to post some pics of my stuff as well since im also 33yrs of age and still a hardcore gamer :lol: 


Get the X850XT, that was the card that I had been using for about a year and up until I got rid of it a week ago it was still running every new game out there really really well.

I played alot of BF2 with it and was able to game at 1280X1024 with 4Xaa and 8Xaf and all settings on high! I averaged right around 60fps. This card will hold you out really well if you want to wait until DX10 comes out, It might not have SM3 but how many games require that? none that I know of. The 7600GT is two weak to appreciat SM3 to its fullest without slowing down alot so if you want pure processing speed and great frame rates go with the X850XT.
May 2, 2006 2:08:41 PM

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The more you pay for things, the more power you get


:roll: :roll: :roll: Are you sure your even 16? :roll: :roll: :roll:
May 2, 2006 2:10:20 PM

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Also, it is more powerful than a 6800gt which is more powerful than an X850.


LMAO!!! bwhaaahhaah! I love the idiotic things NVIDIOT fanboys say! LMAO :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
May 2, 2006 2:11:38 PM

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The more you pay for things, the more power you get


:roll: :roll: :roll: Are you sure your even 16? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Okay, do you smoke crack? You can go buy a 7300 with $100 and I'll buy an X1900XTX for $500. Who will get outperformed? :roll:
May 2, 2006 2:15:21 PM

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The more you pay for things, the more power you get


:roll: :roll: :roll: Are you sure your even 16? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Okay, do you smoke crack? You can go buy a 7300 with $100 and I'll buy an X1900XTX for $500. Who will get outperformed? :roll:


Your the one smoking crack if you think a 6800GT outperfoms a X850XT, the X850XT smacks around the 6800Ultra much less the 6800GT.

And dont try and turn around the pricing comment you made to make it look in your favor :roll: your an idiot for what you said and everyone knows what you meant by it. Not something so obviouse as comparing a 7300 to a X1900XTX you tool :roll:
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2006 2:16:05 PM

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X1800XT > 7600gt > x1800gto > X850
Understand?

Um, nope, I don't. Because your last 3 all trade blows. If anything I'd say X1800GT>=X850XT>=7600GT, but again each will win their share of games.

Take a look at Digit-lifes newest charts:

X1800GTO=X850XT >7600GT in Farcry
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi...

X850XT>X1800GTO>7600GT in SPCT
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi...

7600GT>X1800GTO>X850XT in HL2 (although they all handle 16x12 with AA/AF) http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi...

X850XT>7600GT>X1800GTO in Doom 3 (all very close though, basically equal average fps. best low fps would be the winner)
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi...

X1800GTO>X850XT>7600GT in Fear
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi...

Non of them are playable max details in COD2 at 10x7 with fsaa, but X1800GTO>X850XT>7600GT at playable settings
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi...

7600GT>X850XT>X1800GTO in Riddick.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi...

And we all know that X1800GTO>7600GT with HDR in Oblivion, and X850XT beats them both with FSAA/bloom. SHoot according to FS's review,the X800XL spanks the 7600GT with fsaa/bloom.


Anyway, even leaving out Oblivion and just sticking to Digit-life's digest, the 7600GT wins Riddick and HL2, but comes in last in the other 5 games. The X850XT only comes in last in one game (HL2) where it is still playable at 16x12 4X/16X and the X1800GTO last in one game (the OGL Riddick).

Giving them 3 points for first, 2 for second and 1 for third, the X850XT and X1800GTO tie for first with 16 points and the 7600GT brings up the rear with 11 points. So again, "7600gt > x1800gto > X850 isn't the case
Understand?":tongue:



Quote:
The 7600gt is more powerful than the x1800gto, I can prove that if you like. Also, it is more powerful than a 6800gt which is more powerful than an X850.


And again I say nope. See the 7 links above.

"6800GT>X850XT"...what are you smokin'? :roll:
May 2, 2006 2:17:31 PM

No, you move up the ladder for what you get with more money. It's just that simple.
May 2, 2006 2:18:37 PM

Quote:

Giving them 3 points for first, 2 for second and 1 for third, the X850XT and X1800GTO tie for first with 16 points and the 7600GT brings up the rear with 11 points. So again, "7600gt > x1800gto > X850 isn't the case
Understand?":tongue:



LMAO! way to go man 8) This kid needs to be put in his place. :lol:  I was no where near that dumb at his age.
May 2, 2006 2:20:17 PM

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No, you move up the ladder for what you get with more money. It's just that simple.


Oh ok then, well I guess thats why my X1900XT which I paid $434.00 plays most games better and faster than my friends 7900GTX which he paid $500+ for :roll: :roll: :roll:

Once again that statement is retarded, Just like you.
May 2, 2006 2:22:48 PM

i agree with x1800>x850xt........but 7600gt no way man..the topic was billion times discussed and there is no way....... x1800xt is better ...x1800gto should be but the practice shows wrong.....7600gt is out of question..it`s a good card but when it cames to newer games it`s 128 bit interface and 12 pixel pipes shows allot

here is the proof









good luck my friend
May 2, 2006 2:26:47 PM

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i agree with x1800>x850xt........but 7600gt no way man..the topic was billion times discussed and there is no way....... x1800xt is better ...x1800gto should be but the practice shows wrong.....7600gt is out of question..it`s a good card but when it cames to newer games it`s 128 bit interface and 12 pixel pipes shows allot

here is the proof









good luck my friend


Oblivion is a good title too compare with as well because of the Heavy amounts of shaders it uses, that is the way the games of the Future are going anyway.

Nvidiot Fanboy its time to pack your bags and leave this forum. Go home and cry to momma now! :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
May 2, 2006 2:38:15 PM

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i hope when im 33 i have a real life...


The voice of ignorance. No matter what age you are you can play games. I've met people who are 16 and play games. I've met people who are in their 70s and play games. As long as playing games isn't ALL you do theres nothing wrong with it.

I'm 23 and will be a gamer for life. At least until I can't see anymore and who knows by then we might be able to beam the game directly into our brain.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2006 2:39:07 PM

I couldn't leave those comments be and responded immediately without reading on and seeing you already gave him a proper lickin'. :wink:

The 7600GT is a good card for the money, but IMO no where near what he is claiming. And the 6800GT over X850XT, that's just hilarious.
May 2, 2006 2:42:35 PM

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The 7600gt is more powerful than the x1800gto, I can prove that if you like. Also, it is more powerful than a 6800gt which is more powerful than an X850. The x1800xt blows them all away though, since it's more expensive.


lol .... sorry man nothing personal..but x850xt blows a 6800ultra ...even a sli...
the chart is x1800gto close to x850xt (the later is better in many games)

anyone of it blows a 7600gt.....
7600gt is comparable and slowly better than a x1600xt
May 2, 2006 2:46:14 PM

i agree my friend...that was the ideea ...isn`t oblivion the strongest game ever....even in open gl games like quake 4 or doom 3 x850xt blows many....
it`s a king........
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2006 2:50:41 PM

You know, I used to feel X850XT>6800U also. I have both a X800XTpe and 6800U OC, and always felt the ATI was better at the games that matter to me.

But now I think they are pretty equal. Recent reviews have the 6800U often pulling strong. Anyway, The 6800U OC (425/1100) does well in Digit-lifes charts I linked to above, and easily beats out the 7600GT. In those charts it competes well with the X850XT, although the 6800GT is clearly bringing up the rear.
May 2, 2006 2:53:41 PM

He has not posted in a while so I guess he went home to momma for some milk :p  either that or he is diggin ferociously through the internet looking for articles too prove us wrong! LOL :lol: 
May 2, 2006 2:55:32 PM

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You know, I used to feel X850XT>6800U also. I have both a X800XTpe and 6800U OC, and always felt the ATI was better at the games that matter to me.

But now I think they are pretty equal. Recent reviews have the 6800U often pulling strong. Anyway, The 6800U OC (425/1100) does well in Digit-lifes charts I linked to above, and easily beats out the 7600GT. In those charts it competes well with the X850XT, although the 6800GT is clearly bringing up the rear.


Yeah but dont forget you can also overclock that X850XT up too and past XT PE speeds :wink:
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2006 2:59:33 PM

And as Cleeve and I both know, the 6800U has almost no headroom on the core. My BFG is 425/1100 out of the box as opposed to 400/1100. Max OC is only 435/1210. :cry: 
May 2, 2006 3:10:20 PM

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The 7600gt is more powerful than the x1800gto, I can prove that if you like.


That is not true. I invite you to prove otherwise.

I'm not saying the 7600 GT is bad, but 'more powerful' than the X1800 GTO?

Stock they trade blows at best, and overclocked the X1800 GTO leaves the 7600 GT way behind...
May 2, 2006 3:15:43 PM

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You know, I used to feel X850XT>6800U also. I have both a X800XTpe and 6800U OC, and always felt the ATI was better at the games that matter to me.

But now I think they are pretty equal. Recent reviews have the 6800U often pulling strong. Anyway, The 6800U OC (425/1100) does well in Digit-lifes charts I linked to above, and easily beats out the 7600GT. In those charts it competes well with the X850XT, although the 6800GT is clearly bringing up the rear.


Yeah but dont forget you can also overclock that X850XT up too and past XT PE speeds :wink:

that ati card can be extremelly easy to oc......xt can go as high as 560 mhz or even higher ..tried that my self and is rock stable......but the performance gain is not that great..i guess it`s from game to game.....i think you can get higher performance if you mod the system memory......play with the timings........for example i play f.e.a.r at home with my rig (all detail max aa4x af 16x).....i can see great improvement if i clock the memory from 44412 to 4339 from bios..these are the memory timings.......on ddr2 geil

good luck everybody

the chart still remains x850xt slowly better than x1800gto....7600gt is out of question
May 2, 2006 3:29:39 PM

i recomend also to follow your itch my friend.......x850xt shows incredible performance expecially when dealling with aa and af filters ........
May 2, 2006 3:43:25 PM

I just got a PNY 7800GS (agp) for myself last week. I am also (irrelevently) 33, so i thought your post was pretty funny. The delima you face is similar to the one I faced, and I decided not to upgrade to PCIE until the market stablizes a bit and the new chips are out. Therefore I bought the 7800GS because it was one of the best AGP cards available. Some would say the price for it is unreasonable, but I could afford it at the moment, and I do plan on keeping this PC as a spare gaming rig even after I build my new one.

This post is mostly useless, as I only play WoW (like a junkie) and cant really comment on the others that you play. As far as first person shooters, Tribes Vengeance is the only "new" one I have played in a while, and thats a year or more old i think, but the new card beats the crap out of my 9600SE Gold Edition in those games.

So the point is, I waited until I couldnt wait any longer, then bought the best one that I could afford. This strategy is reccommended many times on this forum, thus it became ingrained. Although the enthusiests may laugh at my "waste of money", I am capable of wasting more than a mere couple hundred just by going out and drinking one single night. So in essence, this saves me money by keeping me plugged into my pc. At this rate I can afford a new rig by mid summer :) 
May 2, 2006 4:19:44 PM

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i hope when im 33 i have a real life...


The voice of ignorance. No matter what age you are you can play games. I've met people who are 16 and play games. I've met people who are in their 70s and play games. As long as playing games isn't ALL you do theres nothing wrong with it.

I'm 23 and will be a gamer for life. At least until I can't see anymore and who knows by then we might be able to beam the game directly into our brain.

i didnt post telling the 33 yr old OP that hes too old to play games. i plan on playing games till im 50. read the OPs first post -- i was referring to his overuse of exclamation points and overall writing style of an overexcited illiterate.
and to that guy who was bragging about having sex with his hot wife, no one cares. this is a computer forum so please refrain from your awesome bragging rights.
May 2, 2006 5:40:38 PM

This is why I pacifically asked not to tell me about a 7600gt. I just knew some moron would tell me how great it is!! Yeah, if you only have $130 bucks or don’t have an extra power cord! I want my system to look mean too. I have to impress my women and myself and a puny little card isn’t going to do that. So please, STOP flaming about a 7600gt and telling your self that it blows away an x1800 series or the 6800gt is better, noobs!!

33yrs old, and I still love my video games. Nothing will ever take that away from me. Yet it is summer time as well, and I’ll be outside playing sports or taken up the sun at the beach more then in the home.

That is another factor. I could see spending $300 + on a video card if it was closer to winter. Come on. I spend $225 on an eVGA 6800gs. I just got that money back today, and going to be making my selection tomorrow. May even be tonight?

So keep me updated with your thoughts.

BTW a 7800gs is a nice option for an agp user. With me that will change though with this purchase. Yes, I know the difference between PCI and PCI-e. I want to try this new technology. An x1800gto is currently $239 without a mail in rebate. An x1800xt is $279, for $50 bucks I think that would be a step you have to take. Well, then look at the x1800xt 512 mg for $299.

But then again, like I have stated before, $164 for a retail x850xt then looks better to me again, $80 bucks for mobo. An higher card would be a $380 + to upgrade after a pci-e board purchase.

I’m still leaning toward the x850xt or PE for an upgrade. Many of you have talked about it, and it is a great card, especially for the price.
May 2, 2006 6:03:08 PM

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You know, I used to feel X850XT>6800U also. I have both a X800XTpe and 6800U OC, and always felt the ATI was better at the games that matter to me.

But now I think they are pretty equal. Recent reviews have the 6800U often pulling strong. Anyway, The 6800U OC (425/1100) does well in Digit-lifes charts I linked to above, and easily beats out the 7600GT. In those charts it competes well with the X850XT, although the 6800GT is clearly bringing up the rear.


Yeah but dont forget you can also overclock that X850XT up too and past XT PE speeds :wink:

that ati card can be extremelly easy to oc......xt can go as high as 560 mhz or even higher ..tried that my self and is rock stable......but the performance gain is not that great..i guess it`s from game to game.....i think you can get higher performance if you mod the system memory......play with the timings........for example i play f.e.a.r at home with my rig (all detail max aa4x af 16x).....i can see great improvement if i clock the memory from 44412 to 4339 from bios..these are the memory timings.......on ddr2 geil

good luck everybody

the chart still remains x850xt slowly better than x1800gto....7600gt is out of question

With the Artic Silencer fan I was able to get my friends X850XT to 600mhz core and 1230mhz memory. After playing games for hours the card stayed stable with good temps.
May 2, 2006 6:05:28 PM

You're all still crazy. I am happy to have owned both ATI and Nvidia cards and loved them both. All the controversy over SM2.0 vs. 3.0 is silly. Bloom vs HDR is another topic entirely. Personally I have used both HDR and bloom settings and prefer HDR. No card does HDR better than the x1900xtx, but the lesser ATI cards don't do so well with it. Heck the x800 series isn't capable of it.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/gtgto/index.htm

I guess the moral of my rank here is, if you don't want a nvidia card, it IS worth the money to grab a x1900xt, as previously stated Vista and Dx10 are looking to go hand-in-hand, and EVERYTHING else about Vista DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.
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May 2, 2006 6:10:16 PM

The only bad thing about the X850XT is that it doesn't support HDR. To some HDR matters to others it doesn't as long as the card gives good grahpics and good performance.

Whatever card you end up going with just make sure it will last you at least two years, you want to get your money's worth. Considering that you game at 1024x768 resolution, that really shouldn't be a problem. Getting a X1800XT or 7900GT is an overkill for that resolution, but they can probably last up to 4 years and still provide decent/good performance at that resolution. By then DirectX 11 will likely be a hot topic.
May 2, 2006 6:15:55 PM

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The only bad thing about the X850XT is that it doesn't support HDR. To some HDR matters to others it doesn't as long as the card gives good grahpics and good performance.

Whatever card you end up going with just make sure it will last you at least two years, you want to get your money's worth. Considering that you game at 1024x768 resolution, that really shouldn't be a problem. Getting a X1800XT or 7900GT is an overkill for that resolution, but they can probably last up to 4 years and still provide decent/good performance at that resolution. By then DirectX 11 will likely be a hot topic.


Some how Half Life 2 and Lost Coast manage to support HDR with the X800 series. Im still not sure how they did it though.
May 2, 2006 6:17:49 PM

Don't buy the XT PE if its a significant difference in price.
You can overclock the regular past PE speeds with a stock cooler, check my sig.
Even a total n00b could do it. :wink:
May 2, 2006 6:32:33 PM

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The only bad thing about the X850XT is that it doesn't support HDR. To some HDR matters to others it doesn't as long as the card gives good grahpics and good performance.

Whatever card you end up going with just make sure it will last you at least two years, you want to get your money's worth. Considering that you game at 1024x768 resolution, that really shouldn't be a problem. Getting a X1800XT or 7900GT is an overkill for that resolution, but they can probably last up to 4 years and still provide decent/good performance at that resolution. By then DirectX 11 will likely be a hot topic.


Good point, and just like the guy said before you. HDR really makes a difference in the look and feel of the game though?

See these are the objections I wanted to see. I did not know about this. Now I do, and will have to reconsider. Please keep em coming. I would much rather invest in a card that will last then a card as the x850xt that is almost dead now. But at the start of this post, I did not know this.

Get me right, I make good money. I don't like to blow money, and to me, an x1800xt or 7900gt was doing just that and in the benchmarks that I had seen, the x850xt was close in most stages of the game.

Thanks guys!! Keep it coming!!
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