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May 2, 2006 8:37:53 PM

Ok, I know this is probably a stupid and common question but...

If I build a computer will everything just work or will I run into problems and bios stuff?

Here is what Im thinking...

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ or better
Motherboard: Need help (not a clue)
GFX Card: Need help (want 256mb)
Ram: Need help (1GB+)
Case: Need help (does it matter?)
HDD: Need help (80+)
DVD Drive: Need help (want superdrive)
PSU: Need help (not a clue)

Any help would be great. Thanks.

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May 2, 2006 9:19:06 PM

If everything is pluged in correctly, it should boot just fine.

Some suggestions for your rig:

Case: Coolermaster Centurian 5: ~$50

MB: Get a non-SLI socket 939 board. Tons of options to choose from but good mfgs include Abit, Asus, DFI and other that I am certian people will recommend. I'm not particularly fond of Gigabyte - too much useless stuff on their boards.

Video Card: I like the eVga 7800 GT, model 517. It comes stock overclocked and eVga has great support/warranty. The 7600, while newer, is slower.

Ram: Crucial or OCZ. Don't get any of the ValueRAM stuff.
May 2, 2006 10:32:51 PM

Get the sonata II for 99.99 it comes with good case and PSU. Get a ASUS board for about 90 bucks. Get 2gb of corsair or g.skill ram and get a 7900gt.
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May 3, 2006 12:12:28 AM

Make sure you follow the instruction manuals for all the parts, especially the mobo and powersupply ones.
May 3, 2006 3:36:29 PM

So this setup will be compatable...

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+
Motherboard: ASUS (Non SLI Socket 939 Board)
GFX Card: eVga 7900GT
Ram: OCZ 2GB
Case: Sonata II (is 450W PSU enough?)
HDD: 250GB SATA
DVD Drive: Superdrive (does brand matter?)

Thanks.
May 3, 2006 4:13:14 PM

(I'm guessing you're coming from an Apple)
The brand of DVD±RW drive doesn't matter, and the rest of the system looks good.

If you can get a slightly bigger PSU that might provide more upgradeability.
May 3, 2006 4:16:43 PM

Well most importantly... what is this rig for?

I'm guessing that you intend to do some gaming or video editing by the set up. Probably both, actually. If you only intend to do gaming, get a less expensive processor. If you only intend to do video editing, tone down the video card.

And I'd have to agree that the PSU could use a little more juice.
May 3, 2006 4:45:21 PM

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If everything is plugged in properly, then you shouldh ave no trouble setting the PC up. Make sure you connect everything properly.



Just be careful of things like static, loose or rouge screws, and most importantly, when hooking in the systemss add on functions like front usbII connections, it can be tricky. You want to be sure to check both the mobo's specifications as well as the case manuals. Antec does a good job, but I have seen many first builds go south for connecting a shared usb header to duel femal plug, it causes some pretty funcky erros. Good luck.
May 3, 2006 5:31:11 PM

OK we need a little more info here, like what will this PC be used for, and more important, how much would you like to spend on it ?
So assuming standard type usage and casual gaming, here’s my suggestion: (links and prices for newegg.com)

- Athlon 64-X2 3800+ ~$297
- s939 ATX w/SLI Motherboard ~$82
- 2GB (2x1GB) Dual Channel DDR400 ~$150
- 300GB sata HDD ~$110

Video Card Options:
- Medium Class: Geforce 7800GT 256MB ~$289
- Top Class: Radeon X1900XT 512MB ~$459

It has room to upgrade.
May 3, 2006 5:32:00 PM

I would try to get a PSU with a 12v line with a minimum of 18-20 Amps.

And read the Mobo Manual, it should clear up any uncertainties that

may arise along the way.
May 3, 2006 5:38:22 PM

Ok well I will be using it for gaming mainly but I do use photoshop quite a lot. The gaming is the more important part.

My budget is around $1K but I will go as high as $1.5K.

So you think I should tone down the CPU to a AMD Athlon X2 3800+ and tone up the GFX card?
May 3, 2006 5:57:56 PM

Oh wait, does newegg deliver to canada?????
May 3, 2006 6:00:17 PM

Nope
May 3, 2006 6:01:49 PM

Ok well I will be using it for gaming mainly but I do use photoshop quite a lot. The gaming is the more important part.

My budget is around $1K but I will go as high as $1.5K.

So you think I should tone down the CPU to a AMD Athlon X2 3800+ and tone up the GFX card?

Well should I shop on ebay?
May 3, 2006 6:02:40 PM

I live in Ontario, and i find NCIX.com to be the best to order from. As a

bonus i don't have to pay sales tax, just GST. :wink:
May 3, 2006 6:09:32 PM

Based on my previous post, this pc would run around $1100 with the X2 3800+ and the X1900XT.
the X2 4400+ is $460 about $160 more than the 3800+, still below your $1.5k goal, although remember you still need to get a good Case+Power Supply and your DVD Burners.

I don't want to start a flamewar but IMHO the X1900XT and the 7900GTX are pretty close in performace, but the GTX will cost you $100 more. You can't go wrong with either of these cards.
More options:
- BFG Tech Geforce 7900GTX
- SAPPHIRE Radeon X1900XTX
May 3, 2006 6:17:41 PM

Which mobo should I get from NCIX.com?????
May 3, 2006 6:23:50 PM

Hehe there is no such thing as, I WONT RUN INTO ANY PROBLEMS.
It violates Murphey's Law. THere is always something that will happen. Could be as little as a misconnected 3-pin to your fan, or as bad as a OS failure.
-Good Luck-
:twisted:
May 3, 2006 6:38:20 PM

Ok all this stuff is just to get you started and maybe by seeing all the parts and features you’ll be able to figure out what you want and can afford.

Mobo – DFI lanparty, Its sli but you don’t have to buy 2 video cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
$123+5s&h $127

cpu – amd x23800+ its what you picked and is a good cpu for gaming
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
297 no s&h

ram - just some brands mentioned above like ocz corsair ect. Low latency of 2-3-2-5 and probably 2gb should only be around 200 bucks for 2 1gb sticks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
that’s some patriot ram I found real quick and I hear good things about them 185 and now a 55 mail in rebate

case – this is where you can make a choice to save some money its really a personal thing not to much to consider just make sure its an atx compatible case which most are. Then find something you like the looks of say 100-120 bucks

Hdd – well just how ever much you need space wise. I suggest western digital, and you don’t need a high rpm one, 7200 will do so ball park 150 for a good sized hdd

Video card- the 7800gt is a good way to go but seems to be a limited supply of them on new egg so how bout a 7900gt 256mb you can and I suggest using toms vga charts to compare cards that are suggested to you, everyone will give you something different
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... 340+5sh $345

and a good psu will run you 100 bucks make it an antec they are good around 500w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... 550w and 90 bucks.

Total=$1314

Hope this will get you on your way, but by all means buy what you can afford and will suit your needs. This is just a parts list I whipped up in a few moments that kinda fits your bill and needs.
May 3, 2006 6:40:05 PM

If you search through some of these forums and the mono threads, yoll find many Canadans who have selected recent mobo's from NCIX.com. You'll have to double check that, but I remember reading plenty on those shopping there for new rig gear.
If you get stuck, use the PC builder they have, as you go along you can pick up on some of the lingo and compatibilies amoung diffrent hardware.

Once thing you scared me on, for you as a newbie, dont use ebay. Deal in new parts only, if anything happens it's between you and the vendor or an RMA.

Cheers
May 3, 2006 7:05:06 PM

If it's your first time, it would be a Catholic miracle for you to get it working without something going wrong. Not necessarily something serious, but one forgotten wire, unused molex plug or loose card, and your back to square one without a clue how you got there.

Fortunately, we are always here to help, so give it a shot, and if something goes wrong, post it here.
May 3, 2006 7:10:33 PM

in addation to bweir point, you could grab a junker or use your own PC and rebuild it from scratch. Take everything out and reset it, kind of sounds pointless, but you need to get to know how things before you try and get the hammer out to seat that 939..lol
May 3, 2006 8:38:47 PM

Thanks for all your help and warnings. I have a list of parts to order and my electronics teacher is going to assist me on the build and he is quite the expert. Thanks for all your help finding the parts.

BTW, here are the parts I've chosen: (let me know if I should change something)

AMD Athlon X2 3800+ $390
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15708&vpn=AD...

ASUS A8N-E Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14268&vpn=A8...

EVGA E-GEFORCE 7900 GT $360!!!
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17950&vpn=25...

OCZ 2X1GB DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel $215
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11443&vpn=OC...

Antec Sonata II Black ATX $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15422&vpn=SO...

HDD and DVD drive are being bought locally.
May 3, 2006 8:42:41 PM

Thanks for all your help and warnings. I have a list of parts to order and my electronics teacher is going to assist me on the build and he is quite the expert. Thanks for all your help finding the parts.

BTW, here are the parts I've chosen: (let me know if I should change something)

AMD Athlon X2 3800+ $390
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15708&vpn=AD...

ASUS A8N-E Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14268&vpn=A8...

EVGA E-GEFORCE 7900 GT $360!!!
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17950&vpn=25...

OCZ 2X1GB DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel $215
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11443&vpn=OC...

Antec Sonata II Black ATX $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15422&vpn=SO...

HDD and DVD drive are being bought locally.
May 3, 2006 8:46:33 PM

Thanks for all your help and warnings. I have a list of parts to order and my electronics teacher is going to assist me on the build and he is quite the expert. Thanks for all your help finding the parts.

BTW, here are the parts I've chosen: (let me know if I should change something)

AMD Athlon X2 3800+ $390
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15708&vpn=AD...

ASUS A8N-E Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14268&vpn=A8...

EVGA E-GEFORCE 7900 GT $360!!!
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17950&vpn=25...

OCZ 2X1GB DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel $215
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11443&vpn=OC...

Antec Sonata II Black ATX $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15422&vpn=SO...

HDD and DVD drive are being bought locally.
May 3, 2006 8:49:41 PM

Thanks for all your help and warnings. I have a list of parts to order and my electronics teacher is going to assist me on the build and he is quite the expert. Thanks for all your help finding the parts.

BTW, here are the parts I've chosen: (let me know if I should change something)

AMD Athlon X2 3800+ $390
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15708&vpn=AD...

ASUS A8N-E Motherboard ATX S939 NFORCE4 Ultra $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14268&vpn=A8...

EVGA E-GEFORCE 7900 GT $360!!!
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17950&vpn=25...

OCZ 2X1GB DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel $215
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11443&vpn=OC...

Antec Sonata II Black ATX $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15422&vpn=SO...

HDD and DVD drive are being bought locally.
May 3, 2006 9:34:31 PM

one thing I would seriously reconsider is that ram, its good ram but the timings are slow for an amd. let me explaine.

I have a 3500+ sigle core and with everything stock as is I would get 50 or 48 49 fps in FEAR. I changed my ram timings from the stock 2.5-3-3-6 (which is lower than the ram you are getting) to lowest my ram can handel (corsair xms 512mbx2) of 2-2-2-5 and then I got 55 to 57 average fps in FEAR.

You like to play games and imo 9fps is a lot in a first person shooter just from changing my timings. so maybe just look for some ram with the timings 2-3-2-5 and youll be good to go I think. but stick with ocz, corsair, patriot, ect, they make the good stuff.
May 3, 2006 9:42:20 PM

That build looks fine but I'm surprised no one has recommended the opteron processors, the 165 or 170 are great value. You can also do some cost comparisons with www.canadacomputers.com and www.memoryexpress.com. I wouldn't mix and match from different companies though as the shipping will make it cost prohibitive.
May 3, 2006 9:57:40 PM

Please read your motherboard manual before putting anything together.

Optys would be a good choice for an overclocker, but since the OP apparently has never done this it might not be a good idea in this particular situation.
May 5, 2006 3:35:41 PM

Something came up and now my budget is like 800 so here is my new plan. I will buy a better GFX card after summer and I can use my old cd burner until then also.

AMD Athlon 3700+ $280
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14828&vpn=AD...

EVGA NFORCE4 SLI ATX $115
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15797&vpn=13...

OCZ GOLD EL PC2-4200 1GB 2X512MB $110
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15370&vpn=OC...

Antec Sonata II Black ATX $120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15422&vpn=SO...

EVGA E-GEFORCE FX5200 128M $60
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13346&vpn=12...

Any suggestions?
May 5, 2006 3:53:14 PM

Ok, you know what, I am waiting until after summer so that I can build it with the original budget (1500). Thanks for all the help.
May 5, 2006 5:51:25 PM

That is probably a very wise choice... The waiting thing I mean :) 

On your projected budget you may be able to purchase a WHOLE lot more for your money at that time. I normally do not recommend people wait, as you can always be in a wait state for the next big thing. However, given that a NEXT GEN processor should be available by then it seems wise to just wait. I would actually recommend to anyone in the planning stage to wait. Even if you are not going to purchase a NEXT GEN proc you will be able to get a previous gen for a lot less.

Kudos to you for being smart and waiting (although I know it is hard).
May 7, 2006 9:54:52 PM

Thanks. But it wont be as hard as you think cuz Ill be on the west coast all summer livin it up. :) 
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