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"Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Oskar Wagner <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, just have a quick look at the aileron deflection on a RL Cessna 152
>> or
>> 172 and you will see what I mean ;-)
>
> Hey, Oskar, I did not mean for my previous comment to appear rude. As
> someone who is heavily involved in general aviation, I meant that is a
> short fact that this is not what is being taught in the flight schools
> around the US.
>
> I am generally interested in your statement and I certainly respect your
> experience and knowledge, but let me make sure I am properly interpreting
> it.
>
> Are you stating that there is no need for the pilot's use of rudder in a
> C152/172 or aircraft of similar design due to the fact that the opposite
> aileron will counteract the adverse yaw during a banking turn?
>
>> And btw, I did my first 2000 hrs flying
>> time on small iron.....lol Never mind
>
> I believe it. How many thousands of hours and years ago was that?
>
> --
> Peter
>
Well, who said that it's going to be a neverending thread? ;-) I feel no
rudeness in your comments, don't worry and I know exactly what the whole
thing is about and I understand the discussions about applying rudder in
coordinated turns. The thing is of course that no A/C (especially not prop
A/C) will ever fly completely "symmetrical" so to speak. You will even
notice that turning left or right will not have the same amount of
corrections needed due to torque and P-factor. For big iron of course no one
would ever touch the rudder as yawdampers do their utmost to make a clean
turn. In small A/C however there are a few goodies to compensate for most of
the adverse influences during a turn. Such as:
- differential aileron deflection to compensate adverse yaw during lead-in
and lead-out of a turn
- wing dihedral to compensate (self erecting force) for increased lift of
the outer wing
Now if you're going to have the ball completely and accurately centered
(sorry, I would call that nitpicking.... ;-)) you can of course play around
with rudder. Just don't forget to look outside (or to the other instuments
if flying IFR) ....
Maybe we have different instruction schemes here in Europe than in the US
but I must honestly say that we never cared too much about excatly centered
balls during a turn for the benefit of more important things in aviation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm talking about a millimeter or two standoff, not a
whole ball diameter of course. And I also must admit that I haven't found
any of the small A/C that would not do an almost zero standoff turn without
applying rudder when smoothly flown. I usually even encouraged students to
take their feet off the pedals during level flight (as I always did myself
too...).
To answer your question about my flight time and date(s): Last instruction
flight dates from 1998 (ok, IFR instruction in a C421) and total hours flown
something in excess of 16'000 hrs.
--
Oskar Wagner
(retired Captain)
Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes....
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