Raising the rating on GTA: San Andreas

[dhlucke]

I find this highly amusing and prude. Apparently the code is there but you have to hack the game to get to it.

It's a game. Get over it people.

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[BomberBill]

I actually can see how this would appear to your sensibilities, D, particularly your sense of humour.

Very true, too, its entertainment and the 'literal' aspects that immature minds take from exceptionally violent games like this that should not be over-zealously applied to all who enjoy these games.

Was it the Columbine shooters who enjoyed a little too much of Soldier of Fortune? Surely most people understand the entertainment aspect of a game and are able to distinguish between virtual and actual violence. Those who dont have other issues that, I would suggest, are far more pressing than their actual game playing habits.

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[riser]

You're missing the main point.. They don't care that this stuff came out..

They're mad because this game is getting sold to 10-11 year olds.. Most parents will let kids watch rated R movies in their early teens.. some before that.

They want to rate it M because of the context inside, in which it could warp the minds of some young kids into thinking it's ok or the norm to have b1tches and ho's, etc.

I was watching a news report on it with my gf, her brother and mom.. and they were showing the game.. some black character holding a gun sideways, his at off to the side.. and they fire one shot at this car and it goes screeching out of there.. I started laughing my ass off.. I thought it was funny.

But still.. if it was a downloadable mod, that's cool.. but this is actually in the game and easy for any kid to hack into now.. it did go overboard.. but 10-12 years ago The Simpsons was way overboard too.

 

[dhlucke]

Went from M to AO.

MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language.

ADULTS ONLY
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

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[jmwpom3]

Come on man.

A. it's ultimately the parents job to police thier kids' activities. Not the MPAA or any of the other acronyms. I've seen tons of commercials for that game and I don't watch much tv. If the parents are that sensitive about what their kids might see somewhere, they should take the time to be with them enough to know what they're doing.

B. If the kids actively go out and enable this code and go through all this, they've already seen worse readily available anytime of day on the net. I find it hard to believe a kid with the knowledge to tweak the code to allow the coffee shop bit haven't already seen net pron. This is inherent code but it's not something you can stumble on; you have to go out and find it and enable it. The kids seeing this sought it out, it wasn't forced on their innocent eyes.(over-reactive parents being either naive or just unreasonable)

C. It's just sex. And a cartoon/animated version of it. The game as more than enough wonton violence and destruction in it, so this little mini game in no way deserves the outrage it's getting... Let's see, steal cars, pick up prostitutes, kill them after, shoot at other gang members, bystanders, police, and senior citizens, just as long as their not nude??!!! WTF is that?

What is wrong with this fawkin country?? I really don't understand why we worship wanton, senseless, graphic violence but call any amount of nudity or sexually explicit material obscene.

~Not rippin you riser,, just responding to your general train of thought.

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[dhlucke]

I installed the mod. You can't use your old save games so you have to start over which sucks and the installation requires that you replace 2 of the core data files. Hardly what I would call "part of the game" or something everyone has to worry about.

Maybe we should limit the entire internet to 18+ since you can get porn so easily.

The actual mod is funny. He's fully dressed but she's naked.

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[riser]

I understand.. and I agree with you.

It's really Clinton bringing this up for female support for her in the coming years.. this gets a female base for her.

Anyhow.. being the devil's advocate which I tend to do lately.. hah.

Parents really suck now a days.. damn those 70s children.

I know growing up my dad bought me most of the games that I played and he'd play some of them too with me when I was really little. I had a WWII game where I had this POS submarine and I'd single handedly take on a japense fleet.. and win most of the time. haha.

Anyhow.. parents don't really monitor their kids that well anymore. Look at all the shootings in high school.. look at the people's whose kids are getting kidnapped. When I was litle, I wasn't allowed to cross the street or go more than 2 houses away, but my neighbors looked out for me too.

Nowadays.. people don't know their neighbors, etc.

Someone said this is just another way for some pervs to act out their desires in a game.. and in a young mind it can effect how they think of the opposite sex. It's almost like Hilary's calling in life to step up to the plate on this one.. especially after what Bill did and everyone knew about it. I hear people say how it was awesome Bill did that.. but then, look at it again. What's that telling people?

Then again, the kids working at the stores selling these games are mostly 16-20 and then you have the 40 year old gamer living in his parent's basement still.

"MOM! Meatloaf! Where's the meatloaf?!"

I don't think parents are stepping up and discplining their kids.. they don't want to spank anymore.. a lot don't.. and I think that's a necessity. They're happy with them playing games and leaving them alone instead of hearing "mom. I'm bored. Mom. Mom. Mom. I'm bored. Mom. I want this toy. Mom. Hey mom. You're not looking at me. Mom." "Go ask your father" "dad. dad. hey dad. dad. dad. Dad? Where are you dad? dad? I'm bored. dad, I'm bored."

It's easier to buy them a game they'll play for hours.. instead of lighting the curtains on fire (I was little and the curtains were ugly and my mom was making me a sandwich in the kitchen which was just out of sight of me).

It's no one's responsibility in this case but the parents.

If they had come out and said their was an avaliable mod for the game, I don't think it would be as big of deal. Society.. at least in the US, is taking the blame off the parents.

This nation tends to blame everyone but themselves when something goes wrong.. take the games away from the kids. listen to them throw a fit. life isn't fair.

But someone will cross the line to make an extra dollar. I'd be surprised to see how much sales actually jumped up when the coffee mod came out.

Think about 3 11 year old kids sitting around playing the game.. they're barely learning Sex Ed.. parents haven't talked to them about it.. which they never do anyhow.

It goes on and on.. and I really think it's necessary that this big deal goes on, but it'll die out.. just like the spat over the Simpsons. In a few years, sex scenes in games will show up more and more.. Hillary will say she did what she could.. and just try to appease the female households to get the vote.

all in all, it's news, older people will be offended, younger people will strive for more openness..

All I have to say it f**k political correctness.

 

[jiffy]

Warning must be 18 or older to view.

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[alladinsane]

Thanks, I was curious about it and did not want to install it (not that curious)

I think that this represents a failing on both sides: parents and govt. The govt makes laws to protect the people .. to a point. I agree that parents are more responsible (much much more) than the govt to protect their children, but that does not relieve the govt of their responsibility to protect also. Let's face it, the rating is used to inform parents, not children. One of the ways the parents know about video game content is by the rating and rating description. So I believe it is negligent to put a lesser rating on the game as this mod is apparently easy to get into even on the PS2. And please, children today are much more computer savy than 10 years ago-- they know how to get mods and use them (finding and using a mod is not a difficult thing anyway) and they know how to use their gamesharks (or whatever it is they use to cheat on consoles nowadays), so getting to hot coffee will not be a problem for them. Whether or not a child has already viewed porn is irrelevant. One does not stop putting laws in place or enforcing them just b/c some who the law was meant to protect have managed to get past the laws.

Whether or not it is a cartoon or video game rather than "real people" is irrelevant. What is represented is what is important. Sex is depicted in our cultures as something of a toy, which is wrong. Adults know this, but children don't. The same thing with violence. Children should be protected from this sort of thing. Truth is, why a child would be allowed to play a game that is characterized by gang-banging, pimping, and crime is beyond me. The sex is just the icing on the cake. What stupid parents out there would let their child play this game? Adults understand about this stuff and have developed (although are not beyond corruption), but I am not sure why even an adult would want to do the hot coffee mod thing unless it gets them off or something (lol)

Anyways, I think we all agree that the main fault is with the parents, but the parents do need assistance by the govt to know the content of the media they purchase for their child (or what their child has purchased).

 

[Zoron]

Well, the rating is clearly printed on the box. If parents are buying their 8 year-old a game rated 'M' (17+) they have no one to blame but themselves. It's right there in black and white. Hell, it's easier to see the ratings on game boxes than it is to see it on DVD packaging. Parents really need to get a clue.

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[Breeman]

I got to agree with riser on this one, my parents bought me most of my games, hell i can remember sitting there when i was little (6-10 years old) and watching my dad play wolfensine 3d, doom, and games like that, i saw my fist digitly nude woman watching the old man play duke nukem. so yha i got to agree its up to your parents to police what you do. I dont think that the gameing community should get hammered for what parents should be takeing care of wathing their kids. If parents are going out buying their kids, or letting them buy games like GTA then its their fault and they should be getting nailed for it, not us the consenting "adults" that we are. ok i've rambled and repeated enough of what riser said i shall now shut up.

-Bre

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[RichPLS]

More and more in Amerika, people are shirking responsibility and blaming someone else for their troubles.
Guns makers are killing people, McDonald's is scalding people with hot coffee (a different version than GTA), and so on...
There are warnings on everything you buy nowadays, some with warnings on their warnings.
Soon bottled water will have to carry a warning, that to much consumption will result in drowning.

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[riser]

It was explained nicely to me last night while I was sitting at the bar talking to guy who works for Jeep.

He's a factory worker.. works in the heat, doesn't get [-peep-], pay is ok, not great. He gets [-peep-] on all the time at work.. but he gets his job done.

Then he gets offered a job in the Corporate headquarters for Chrystler.

Things change. This place has massage parlors, barbers, hair stylists, flower shops, a racepark on the bottom floor, all this stuff you would never imagine to have at work. It's like it's own world, you never would need to levae their unless you wanted to go visit your family.

But he goes into his meeting.. he's showing people what a screw driver looks like.. because they don't know how to use it or how it benefits their workers on the job. These corporate guys are ok losing 1 hour a day for stupid things, blaming the workers in the plants.

This guy is in the plants, he blames corporate people for giving them stupid cheap [-peep-] to do the job and it keeps breaking. He got into a huge argument his first day there doing a presentation.

He ended up getting his way in that case. He's working to get them to go back to spending an extra dollar to get good parts for their cars, which will keep production up. In his story, they were saving $5 per car, 9,000 cars a month produced.

1 hour of downtime would cost more than the entire month's saving.

So what's this say?

Americans are lazy F***ing bastards and happpily accept that it's good enough to not do better.. we accept being lazy bastards because we're already used to being the best.. but at this rate, a few more years and we won't be such a great nation.


On a side note, Canadian workers are worthless so we'll never have worry about them over taking the US in anything.

I have to work with Canadians.. My coworkers and I all agree they're a screwed up workforce because of their laws and how things get done up there.

 

[Zoron]

Kiss my fat Canadian ass.

:tongue:

Nice way to generalize based on your limited personal experience.

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[riser]

Limited personal experience ranges with over 2,000 canadian workers.

Most polls don't even cover than many people to give an outcome.


Besides, when we were building a plant up in Canada and wanted to bring certain people in, apparently the laws said we couldn't bring our own people in, we had to hire from a canadian group. They brought in skilled workers.. but not the ones to do the job. So after a few weeks of installing equipment and them screwing it up, ten 10 days of being down, we finally said F'it and brought in our workers who knew how to install the equipment and did it, regardless the union or regulations of canada.

But hey, there are always exceptions.

 

[RichPLS]

But just conversing with alltaken, you can apply your generalizations with all of New Zealand, since he states his ideas are the collective opinions of everyone in New Zealand.

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[Zoron]

Limited personal experience ranges with over 2,000 canadian workers.

With a population of 30 million... it still is a limited experience. :tongue:

I've heard the same thing in American companies... they whine they can't find enough skilled workers; so they either import or outsource.

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[riser]

I'll let you in on American stupidity.

In the 70s, a skilled worker was someone who was motivated and could be taught something.

Today, a skilled worker is someone who has a 4 year degree. Doesn't matter if you can do the job or not, you're considered skilled.

I've been turned down from 4 jobs because I haven't had a 4 year degree. I've been to plenty of IT jobs that everyone has a 4 year degree, but they can't do [-peep-]. The best IT departments I've been in, aside from my current job, have all had better IT departments.

When they say skilled, they mean a degree. When I think skilled, I think of someone capable, not someone 100k in debt asking for 60,000 dollars and never worked outside Taco Bell.

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[riser]

I'll let you in on American stupidity.

In the 70s, a skilled worker was someone who was motivated and could be taught something.

Today, a skilled worker is someone who has a 4 year degree. Doesn't matter if you can do the job or not, you're considered skilled.

I've been turned down from 4 jobs because I haven't had a 4 year degree. I've been to plenty of IT jobs that everyone has a 4 year degree, but they can't do [-peep-]. The best IT departments I've been in, aside from my current job, have all had better IT departments.

When they say skilled, they mean a degree. When I think skilled, I think of someone capable, not someone 100k in debt asking for 60,000 dollars and never worked outside Taco Bell.

The skilled workers are here, it's just the dumbass HR departments toss their resumes in the trash when they see they have 20 years experience, no degree.

 

[dhlucke]

A 4 year degree means that someone had the perserverence to suffer through college. Others relate to that.

Do what some of my friends did and just lie about having a degree, say you're captain of the football team, and president of your fraternity. It worked for them somehow. Pisses me off to this day that while I was in college they lied their way to high paying jobs.

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[Aaron McKenna]

Most mutli millionaires and billionaires are self-made… now that’s skilled. Personally I never got a degree and never did that well in English at school, with my teachers telling me I never appreciated Joyce and Shakespeare nearly enough. I now make my bread and butter writing daily and, having met dozens of college grads during the course of my work, would say that I probably know more than some eejits with business degrees and the likes.

Unfortunately you tend to need a piece of paper in most places. In journalism and entrepreneurship not so much as it’s your skills and your risks, but regardless I find the most motivated and highly skilled people are those who’ve possibly never seen the inside of a university until they were brought in by a lecturer to give a talk on becoming filthy rich and surviving in the real world.

 

[riser]

Yeah.. I knew they'd suffer through it.. you get your 'Yes man' out of them... I don't go that way.. I ask questions and don't just agree to things, especially with SOX Compliance and my job. You can't just go around saying Yes.. you'll get in trouble.

I could go ahead and put down I have a 4 year degree, but up until recently.. like the last year or so, they never actually had a true IT degree.. they had computer science, computer engineering.. but they never had a 4 year degree in networking and LAN/WAN administration.

While I don't want to be the big guy making all the money overlooking an IT department.. I want to have more control over how the network is set up.. far too often I find people in that position who have no clue what they're doing and they're too cocky to ask someone or let alone a consultant.

but today, finding a job where a network is done right.. is usually filled with someone who knows what they're doing.. then finding a job where you can make your own network out of someone else's crap is hard because the admin is normally screwing everyone over and they never know it..