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May 3, 2006 1:12:16 PM

I have been trying to find benchmarking to give me an idea how my P4 2.6ghz chip compares to the Athlon 64 chips (i.e. 3000+ or 3200+).

Besides being 64bit, how much of a performance difference should I expect to see if I switch to the Athlon 64. I'd likely go with a MSI K8N Neo4 SLI motherboard, 1gb ddr ram, and the NVidia 7600GT video card.

My current ATI Radeon 9600XT just died so I'm not sure if it makes sense just to go with an ATI Radeon X1600 pro AGP and keep the P4 2.6ghz or should I just make the switch to the Athlon 64? I could also just upgrade the P4 to a 3.0e or 3.2e as well.

Thanks!
May 3, 2006 1:21:45 PM

for the cpu benchmarking you can see THG's already benchmarked charts... you can select both of your processors and look for different scores...
May 3, 2006 1:26:45 PM

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

For the moment I would just get the X1600pro.

Do you have the 2.6 with 533FSB or 800FSB?
What motherboard do you have? dual channel?



I recently upgrade from a 2.8G 533fsb single channel setup to 3.2G 800fsb dual channel setup, the dual channel memory and 800FSB made a noticeable gain in performance. For what this computer is used for it will be fine for sometime for me.
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May 3, 2006 1:48:22 PM

AMD64 doesn't make your computer faster, it just enables you to run 64bit code.
May 3, 2006 2:27:14 PM

Thanks for the info regarding the CPU chart. It's interesting because there is a performance difference with some applications running better with the P4 and others running faster with the Athlon 64, primarily games.

I have a MSI 865PE Neo2 motherboard which is a dual channel motherboard. The P4 is actually a 2.4ghz 800FSB overclocked to 2.6ghz.
From the CPU chart, it doesn't appear that either the 3000+ or 3200+ offer a huge difference over my current P4 other than with games. The only game I play is World of Warcraft and that doesn't seem to be CPU intensive.

The advantage I could see with going the Athlon route is that the MSI K8N Neo4 supports the X2 processors so there's plenty of room for growth in the future. Also, the PCI-express bus is faster than AGP and AGP cards will likely dwindle out of production eventually. On the other hand, I'm only going to have to pay $130 for a Radeon X1600 pro card and can use my current equipment rather than investing in a new motherboard and a new CPU.
May 3, 2006 2:53:06 PM

I would just grab the X1600pro then, for the gaming you do.

If you can find a cheap 3.4Ghz PGA478 CPU then think about it. That's a 1GHz increase and room for OCing.

Better to wait and see what the new stuff will do, AM2/Conroe, before any expensive major upgrades.
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May 3, 2006 3:46:51 PM

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Thanks for the info regarding the CPU chart. It's interesting because there is a performance difference with some applications running better with the P4 and others running faster with the Athlon 64, primarily games.

The advantage I could see with going the Athlon route is that the MSI K8N Neo4 supports the X2 processors so there's plenty of room for growth in the future. Also, the PCI-express bus is faster than AGP and AGP cards will likely dwindle out of production eventually. On the other hand, I'm only going to have to pay $130 for a Radeon X1600 pro card and can use my current equipment rather than investing in a new motherboard and a new CPU.


Traditionally, Pentium 4 has always been better than the Athlon 64 in applications outside of games which includes media creation, and especially media encoding. The Pentium 4 single core wins without a doubt. However, when looking at dual core CPUs the Pentiums advantage disappears entirely. The Athlon X2 are better than the Pentium 4D at almost all benchmarks across the board.

The Athlon 64 other advantage is that consumes less power than a Pentium 4. Before the 65nm Pentium 4 came out the Pentiums comsumed at least twice as much power as a comperable Athlon 64. With the release of Presler, P4 only consume about 50% - 60% more power than the Athlon 64. More power also means more heat so Athlons are much easier to cool and can mean less fan noise as well.

Intel's Conroe should bring performance back to thier side, at least based on the preliminary benchmarks. The 65nm Conroe should also run far cooler than the 65nm Presler. Best guess, they should run about just as hot as the 90nm Athlons, or less since it is partially based off of the Pentium M.
May 3, 2006 4:36:24 PM

Let's see, beside the fact that it transfer twice the amount of data during the same clock cycle than a 32bit one, it has a faster FSB, built in HyperTransport and memory controllers...
the AMD64 will make your computer faster.
(otherwise why would Intel be moving to 64bit too?)
Also today's Athlon 64's are not the 3000+ or 3200+, but the X2's (dual Cores) and FX's
(the 3000+ is more than a year old)
If you want to upgrade, get a 939 socket motherboard and the X2 3800+
-newegg prices:

Athlon 64 3500 ~ $200 or Athlon 64-X2 3800 ~ $290
s939 MoBo w/PCIe16x ~ $50
X1600xt PCIe ~ 150
May 3, 2006 4:42:16 PM

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Let's see, beside the fact that it transfer twice the amount of data during the same clock cycle than a 32bit one, it has a faster FSB, built in HyperTransport and memory controllers...
the AMD64 will make your computer faster.


Errr, sorta like running 64bit code like I said? He was asking if 64bit CPUs would make his PC run faster, which they won't unless he's running 64bit software.

And the FSB and HyperTransport have nothing to do with AMD64, that's just new tech on the new chip.
May 3, 2006 5:01:32 PM

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Errr, sorta like running 64bit code like I said? He was asking if 64bit CPUs would make his PC run faster, which they won't unless he's running 64bit software.

And the FSB and HyperTransport have nothing to do with AMD64, that's just new tech on the new chip.


Actually, I asked about the P4 vs Athlon 64 excluding the 64 bit part. I chose the Athlon 64 because if I was going to switch from the P4 and a 865PE motherboard, I'd go to the 939 motherboard which is compatible with the Athlon 64, FX and X2s. I was planning on spending the least amount possible so the Athlon 64 would be the chip to go with even though it's not the current technology.

Therefore, what I was asking is whether an Athlon 64 3000+ or 3200+ setup would provide a performance boost over my 2 year old P4 2.6 setup, excluding the 64bit part. IE, if I'm playing WoW or using Photoshop, etc. does it make sense to go with the Athlon 64 or just leave it at the P4. The main incentive for change was really the video card issue because better cards are avaible for PCI-e than for AGP.

For my needs, I probably could just go with an ATI agp card and try to upgrade the PGA478 chip cheaply in the future, but since starting this thread today, I have realized that I could donate my current setup to a family member and do a complete upgrade for myself. Perhaps the X2 3800+, a MSI K8N Neo4, and a NVidia 7600gt would be the way to go.

As I understand it, the 7600gt easily outperforms the x1600xt for about the same price.

Thanks for everyone's input! :D 
May 3, 2006 5:25:47 PM

I would wager to say that 99% of the people with AMD 64's do NOT run 64 bit operating systems... but the people that do own AMD 64's all have that option. For most of us the 4 GB memory limit still isn't an issue and driver support under Windows XP 64 Bit is a bit spotty... in your comparison between the two processors it's really a non-issue.
May 3, 2006 5:35:25 PM

I think that you should go for the AMD 64 3200+ socket 939. I have a similar pc like you with 2.6ghz 800 fsb. My mobo was fried... luckily I have warranty on it at Fry's. They let me change my entired pc from a p4 2.6ghz to a AMD 3200+ 64. I would say that the performance wise, the AMD beats the 2.6ghz. There are a lot of other things that the 2.6ghz beats the AMD but those are usually in the video/music and stuff editting. But it doesnt beat the AMD 3200+ by a lot. On the other hand, the AMD is very good at gaming. I was playing source with double the resolution + fps vs my 2.6ghz. It is up to you to decide, but i would recommand getting the AMD 3200+. Its good for gaming and you can overclock it easily to 2.5ghz from stock 2.0 with stock heatsink
May 3, 2006 5:39:54 PM

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http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

For the moment I would just get the X1600pro.

Do you have the 2.6 with 533FSB or 800FSB?
What motherboard do you have? dual channel?



I recently upgrade from a 2.8G 533fsb single channel setup to 3.2G 800fsb dual channel setup, the dual channel memory and 800FSB made a noticeable gain in performance. For what this computer is used for it will be fine for sometime for me.



There is no 2.6 533 FSB.

X1600Pro AGP is pretty low-end
May 3, 2006 5:44:54 PM

The AMD64 also provides enhanced security via DEP (data execution Prevention) on WindowsXP which prevents damaging program, like virus and worms, from being executed; it's only available to 64bit CPU's

(try to enable it: -Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance - Data Execution Prevention)
May 3, 2006 5:48:20 PM

Maybe you can try and find a 6600GT , then you can stick with your current

setup.
May 3, 2006 6:13:11 PM

If you are going to stick with your current system, you should be able to overclock it more. I have heard of 2.4 Northwood C core CPUs going close to 290fsb which would almost be 3.5GHz. I have a 2.8C @ 3.5GHz and it is pretty fast. BTW I have the Sapphire X800GTO unlocked to 16 pixel pipes.
May 3, 2006 6:27:38 PM

I have the Northwood C but can't get beyond the 2.6 range without instability. For a while, I was at 2.8, but then I was no longer able to stay there without the computer failing. There were no changes in hardware when this occurred so I have no explanation for this. I dropped it down to 2.6 and it's been fine.

Of course this goes down another thread topic all together, but I don't know if it would be a PCI modem or SCSI card used for a scanner that was causing the failure. Even with the memory locked into its standard clock rate and the pci bus at 33.5 or whatever it's supposed to be, I had problems with overclocking. I suppose I could try again by removing the modem and scsi card and seeing if there's a problem, but if I locked in the PCI bus at a normal frequency, I wouldn't have thought that those were the source of the failures. Or perhaps the MSI 865PE Neo2 board I have just isn't a good overclocker. As I recall, I thought it was a decent board for overclocking from the reviews prior to purchasing it.

I purchased the 2.4c with the idea of overclocking it to 3.0 or more but it never panned out for me.
May 3, 2006 6:46:46 PM

I am pretty sure he was dismissing 64 bit extentions, meaning he doesn't care about that.... all he is asking about is performance..... can you guys read?
Also, I don't think he asked anything about overclocking.... it sounds to me like he is asking about STOCK PERFORMANCE...... his question could have been answered with one post.... The 3200 Venice will be faster than your current cpu in all cases, at least that is what I have read.
May 3, 2006 6:51:44 PM

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I have the Northwood C but can't get beyond the 2.6 range without instability. For a while, I was at 2.8, but then I was no longer able to stay there without the computer failing. There were no changes in hardware when this occurred so I have no explanation for this. I dropped it down to 2.6 and it's been fine.

Of course this goes down another thread topic all together, but I don't know if it would be a PCI modem or SCSI card used for a scanner that was causing the failure. Even with the memory locked into its standard clock rate and the pci bus at 33.5 or whatever it's supposed to be, I had problems with overclocking. I suppose I could try again by removing the modem and scsi card and seeing if there's a problem, but if I locked in the PCI bus at a normal frequency, I wouldn't have thought that those were the source of the failures. Or perhaps the MSI 865PE Neo2 board I have just isn't a good overclocker. As I recall, I thought it was a decent board for overclocking from the reviews prior to purchasing it.

I purchased the 2.4c with the idea of overclocking it to 3.0 or more but it never panned out for me.



Same here. I have 2.4C on a P4P800E D, and also ran it on my P4C800E

Deluxe, With a great HSF, and very good ram, and 2916 is about tops

stable, yet its not hot at all...just the limit of the chip.
May 3, 2006 7:18:13 PM

I made the switch from S478 P4 EE 3200 to an Athlon 3800 then to a dual core X2 4200 in the last year.

The X2 has reduced my 3d marks scores, and doesn;t overclock much in my experience. I know people have managed some big overclocks, but these appear to me to be the exception rather than the rule.

Anyway, the main benefit you'll get will be by moving to PCI express. My 7800GTX wooops ass on the 6800GT I had. That and the SLI options seem to leave the options for me in the future a little more open.

Personally, I'd say get rid of your bits via ebay while you can get a good price, and then choose your platform. Conroe's alleged performance is tempting a lot of non fanboys back to Intel. If you want it cheap and chearful, I'd suggest a single core Athlon 3000. Absolute bargain at the price, and overclock like no tomorrow!

just my pennies worth....

Good luck!
May 3, 2006 9:20:48 PM

Double post see below.... been having this problem alot today.
May 3, 2006 9:22:52 PM

Out of the 5 K8's I have owned. The X2 3800 achieve a 600mhz per core stable OC to 2.6 as high as 2.75.... My Opteron 165 goes as high as 2.8 2.7 stable, My 3000 went to 2.6 stable, the other one that I traded a friend for went to 2.8 stable my 3500 went to 2.65 stable. Another one of my friends onwed a X2 3800 which would not OC at all, but it has some memory controller issues.... everyone else I know who owns one achieves about the same as I did with mine. Also, I don't really buy cpu's to benchmark 3d mark, I normally use real world tasks like encoding, multitasking, file compression. Both my dual core cpu's smoke Intel 8XX's and 9XX's up to the 940. The 940 is about a 50/50 winner loser in comparison so they are close.
May 3, 2006 10:19:19 PM

You can't lock the memory at any speed. The memory speed settings in the bios set a ratio. Here is the breakdown for CPUs with 800fsb (200 MHz actual clock):

Memroy to FSB ratio
400 => 1:1
333 => 5:4
266 => 3:2

Try setting your memroy to a lower setting and you can probably run your fsb higher. I have my memory set to 333 so that at 250fsb the memory is running at DDR400.
May 4, 2006 2:26:19 AM

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The AMD64 also provides enhanced security via DEP (data execution Prevention) on WindowsXP which prevents damaging program, like virus and worms, from being executed; it's only available to 64bit CPU's

(try to enable it: -Control Panel - System - Advanced - Performance - Data Execution Prevention)


untrue... my 3.0Ghz Prescott has the Execute Disable bit.... and does exactly what you just said DEP on AMD does. And, my 3Ghz does not have 64bit capability. So, wrong on two counts.
May 4, 2006 2:54:33 AM

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There is no 2.6 533 FSB.

X1600Pro AGP is pretty low-end

Your almost right it's 2.666Ghz 533FSB Northwood.

X1600pro would be close to the 6600's, which will play WOW fine.
May 4, 2006 3:13:45 AM

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There is no 2.6 533 FSB.

X1600Pro AGP is pretty low-end

Your almost right it's 2.666Ghz 533FSB Northwood.

X1600pro would be close to the 6600's, which will play WOW fine.

but for close to the same price you can get a 7600GS... or is it GT... :?
May 4, 2006 3:18:07 AM

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but for close to the same price you can get a 7600GS... or is it GT... :?
for AGP???

I got DEP also, on my 3.2 presscot
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May 4, 2006 3:20:10 AM

Your Prescott must be a 530J then as it has DEP but is 32 bits. The 531s have both DEP and 64-bit extensions, and the 630/631 also have both (as well as 2MB L2 cache.)
May 4, 2006 3:56:13 AM

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Try setting your memroy to a lower setting and you can probably run your fsb higher. I have my memory set to 333 so that at 250fsb the memory is running at DDR400.



Scougs,

This worked perfectly! I thought when I set my DRAM setting to 400mhz that it was locked at that frequency when I changed the FSB. I took your suggestion and changed it to 333mhz and now I can OC my 2.4c easily. I've been at 3.15 ghz all night including a few hours of WoW without any problems. I'll probably bump it up to 3.2 tomorrow. My idle CPU temp is 40c and it goes up to about 52c when playing WoW.

Being able to OC my 2.4 has solved my question for this thread! The speed increase is awesome and I think I'd rather just spend just over $100 for an AGP card for now rather than investing in a new MB and CPU.

Thanks everyone!
May 4, 2006 5:07:48 AM

When you hit the overclocking wall at 333 you could try setting your RAM to 266 to see if you are being limited by your RAM again. If you download CPUz you can find out what your actual memory speed is without calculating it.
May 4, 2006 1:47:24 PM

I'm not sure what the temp limit should be for the P4 but I think if I'm going to go above 3.2 I probably need a better fan and heatsink. To the person who posted about running their 2.4c @ 3.5, is that with the stock heaksink and fan?
May 4, 2006 4:39:52 PM

I have rebuilt my Msi 865 PE/3.0 P4 E to Amd X2 64 Abit Av8.
My take is Amd gives a more stable Windows environment than P4.
Also, if you game, Amd goodness starts at 64 3500. That is the proc to shoot for. Also the X2 3800 is VERY Overclockable to 2.4 or 2.5 and costs around $350.
If you like the smoothness of hyperthreading, saving a little extra for X2 would be good.
BUT, you said your card died.
There is not much performance difference in games between a 2.6 P4 and a 3.0 or 3.2.
CAUTION! The Pentium 4 E prescotts run wickedly hot and only perform well up at 3.8 MHZ. That 31 stage pipeline needs tons of clock to perform and it is VERY HOT- like 60 c at idle.

Taylormade, sorry, read your post wrong.
Heres a good plan similiar to what i did.
Get the X1600 Agp card for now.
When you get money later, get an Agp socket 939 and AMD 3500 or X2 3800 and keep the card.
The final steps would be to migrate the AMD proc to a new PCIE MB and PCIE Videocard.
This is a good plan because 64 bit is not here yet, P 4 is still a decent proc., Pcie cards don't take advantage of the extra bandwidth, YET.
This incremental process will allow you to decide if you need a Direct x 10 Card and Vista 64 bit when it hits and save some mooney for future pc power.

Whatever you do, DO NOT upgrade to any current P4!
Intel has a new socket and new fast procs in the works, but the current lineup can't compete with AMD.
Their 1000 dollar Extreme doesn't outperform my 500 dollar 4400 (and in games, no contest)!
May 4, 2006 5:03:17 PM

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Your MB is AGP! How can you buy a X1600? If you go with AMD, you will need a new Mother Board.


The X1600 Pro is available in both AGP and PCI-e. I'm already using a X1600 Pro I purchased from CompUSA. That's going to be returned and I'll save $100 and go with the Sapphire Radeon X1600 Pro.
May 4, 2006 5:20:27 PM

Taylormade; That older P4 3.0E and MSI Neo865 PE became the basis for a kickass system i built for my sister in Law. I tossed in an old Geforce 5200 and thats all she will need.
I LOVED that MSI board. The P4 E was a disappointment after the original 533bus P4 3.06. That thing ran at 60 celsius at idle. A cooler master hyper 48 was a good cooler for the P4 and available from your Compusa.
May 4, 2006 5:37:54 PM

Just saw your other post. The answer is yes. Amd 3000 and 3200 get there numbers from their equivalent performance in an intel proc.
An AMD 3000 should perform like a 3 ghz P4, a 3200 like a 3.2 P4.
That doesn't tell the whole story. Like someone else posted, Pentium with HT perform encoding very well, but their long pipelines don't perform games as well. AMD does have more bandwidth (1000 hypertransport vs 800 FSB). Its the built in memory controller of the AMD 64s that really make them fast. They have very little latency and the memory controller operates in the proc at the speed of the proc and not on the northbridge chip using the 800 mhz FSB. This allows AMD 64s to access memory superfast on the 1000mhz HT! Very nice architexture. BUT! Wait till you see what Intel has brewing. They will be right back in it soon. Staying with AGP now will allow you to decide the best future path.
One of the reasons, besides proc performance, i DID NOT go with another Intel was i needed NEW memory, MB, Proc., AND videocard to upgrade and that is CRAZY!
May 4, 2006 5:44:37 PM

Pentium 4s start to internally throttle its clock speed around 70C and will shut off at 80C to prevent thermal damage.

If you are thinking of getting an aftermarket heatsink, the Arctic Cooling Freezer 4 is pretty good from what I hear. I am using a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu with LED's. Running my 2.8 @ 3.5 it almost never gets above 60C but with the stock hsf it would go over 60C at stock 2.8.
May 4, 2006 5:49:45 PM

Go into your Bios and make sure Spread Spectrum is OFF.
Also, if that is a 2.4 Northwood, they are known for overclocking.
Remember, if you have a 533 mhz FSB that is 266 x 2. 333 x 2= 666, a bus overclock of 133 mhz! if your 2.4 is running 3.2, you have just gained 800 mhz on the processor!
And i have an old pentium 3 here that is 500 MHZ! Your OC is faster than that proc. Zounds! intel was good for that!
Your PC should be flying.
May 5, 2006 1:58:11 AM

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CAUTION! The Pentium 4 E prescotts run wickedly hot and only perform well up at 3.8 MHZ. That 31 stage pipeline needs tons of clock to perform and it is VERY HOT- like 60 c at idle.

My 3.2GHz PGA478 Presscot runs at 33'c idle and 50'c full load with AS5, stock heatsink & fan in a 25'c room.

Everyone complains about the Presscots but I have no problem with heat.
May 5, 2006 2:16:39 AM

6600GT is great. My gf's AXP machine runs oblivion great on mostly high setting's with HDR and textures set to high. They are poweful little cards and super cheap.
May 5, 2006 2:20:33 AM

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CAUTION! The Pentium 4 E prescotts run wickedly hot and only perform well up at 3.8 MHZ. That 31 stage pipeline needs tons of clock to perform and it is VERY HOT- like 60 c at idle.

My 3.2GHz PGA478 Presscot runs at 33'c idle and 50'c full load with AS5, stock heatsink & fan in a 25'c room.

Everyone complains about the Presscots but I have no problem with heat.
Well the early ones melted mobo's and they've never gotten rid of that stigma. Kinda like the old t-birds which supposedly overheated all the time. I had no less than 4 and never had any heat issues. The rest of the problems were usually associtated with VIA chipsets.
May 5, 2006 2:33:14 AM

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CAUTION! The Pentium 4 E prescotts run wickedly hot and only perform well up at 3.8 MHZ. That 31 stage pipeline needs tons of clock to perform and it is VERY HOT- like 60 c at idle.

My 3.2GHz PGA478 Presscot runs at 33'c idle and 50'c full load with AS5, stock heatsink & fan in a 25'c room.

Everyone complains about the Presscots but I have no problem with heat.
Well the early ones melted mobo's and they've never gotten rid of that stigma. Kinda like the old t-birds which supposedly overheated all the time. I had no less than 4 and never had any heat issues. The rest of the problems were usually associtated with VIA chipsets.
That might be it, I got one of the last one's available on the market.
The LGA had been out for sometime and I bought old shelf stock (brand new in the box).
May 5, 2006 1:14:47 PM

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CAUTION! The Pentium 4 E prescotts run wickedly hot and only perform well up at 3.8 MHZ. That 31 stage pipeline needs tons of clock to perform and it is VERY HOT- like 60 c at idle.

My 3.2GHz PGA478 Presscot runs at 33'c idle and 50'c full load with AS5, stock heatsink & fan in a 25'c room.

Everyone complains about the Presscots but I have no problem with heat.

So far, my 2.4c is now at 3.24 with stock fan and heatsink and I'm getting about the same temps you did...33C idle and 53C when playing WoW with an ambient temp of 23C. I'm gonna bump it up again tonight. I'll start looking into the heatsink/fan recommendations too.
May 6, 2006 9:10:14 AM

You are on the verge of 1 ghz overclock. Crazy, isn't it?!
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May 6, 2006 1:05:39 PM

If forced to buy a new mainboard, I'd also be tempted ot get an Opty 165 and supporting NF4 mainboard, along with a 7600GT or perhaps 7900GT if affordable....
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May 6, 2006 1:10:39 PM

"I've been at 3.15 ghz all night including a few hours of WoW without any problems. I'll probably bump it up to 3.2 tomorrow."

Congrats, although it's rather a shame about just now finding out about using lower mem clocks...

BUt since your cpu is now at 3.1G or so, I agree, I'd prob just look for a $100 video card too, and wait for Conroe 2.26@2.8G variants at $200! :-)
May 6, 2006 6:37:19 PM

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You are on the verge of 1 ghz overclock. Crazy, isn't it?!


I've been a Tom's Hardware reader almost since the beginning but I never used the forums. Now I wish I had used the forums a few years ago when I bought the 2.4c. Oh well, at least now I can enjoy serious overclocking!

I'm going with the Thermalright SI-120 heatsink and the Panaflow L1a fan. Can't wait to go for 3.5. I decided not to go beyond the 3.24 stock because there was one moment I checked during WoW that it had gone up to 56C.
May 6, 2006 7:58:54 PM

As long as you are at or below 60c you should be alright. ADon't get greedy though, you could be buying a new proc. you may want to consider 3.4 and leave it at that!
May 7, 2006 11:33:21 AM

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If forced to buy a new mainboard, I'd also be tempted ot get an Opty 165 and supporting NF4 mainboard, along with a 7600GT or perhaps 7900GT if affordable....

How is the MSI K8N Neo4 board for performance & stability?
May 7, 2006 1:10:51 PM

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Errr, sorta like running 64bit code like I said? He was asking if 64bit CPUs would make his PC run faster, which they won't unless he's running 64bit software.


umm....apparenty your a bad reader huh? :roll:
May 7, 2006 1:23:30 PM

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Errr, sorta like running 64bit code like I said? He was asking if 64bit CPUs would make his PC run faster, which they won't unless he's running 64bit software.


umm....apparenty your a bad reader huh? :roll:
WTF, are you replying to me or someone else?
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