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May 4, 2006 11:48:32 PM

I'm assuming that they will be out soon? I am looking for an upgrade and am holding off until the new tech comes out.........is socket AM2 worth going to or can I use DDR2 with the current 939 mobo's?

What kind of timeframes before we see the first ones for sale?

Thanks

Darren

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May 5, 2006 12:14:10 AM

I say yes am2 will be better but not by much. No you cant use ddr2 with 939 cause the mem controller is on the chip not the mobo. May or later for the release.
May 5, 2006 12:37:29 AM

Reports so far are a 5 - 10% increase in performance. However, it will offer you a better upgrade path for the future.

As the previous poster said, DDR2 is not compatible with 939 due to the on-chip memory controller. AM2 is going to be Socket 940, and a different layout than the current 940, so they will not be compatible that way either.

The last I heard, AM2 was going to be out in June. So if you don't need something right away, I would hold off for now. June is not that far away, you probably won't have to wait more than 6 weeks.
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May 5, 2006 1:13:56 AM

Thanks guys, no 6 weeks isn't far away and it will be probably that long before I want to upgrade anyway. I will keep an eye out for the release.

First upgrade for 2 years!!!!!

Darren
May 5, 2006 1:19:38 AM

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The AM2 launch is May 23rd, right?


May 23 is right. Assuming AMD has their ducks lined up most mobo manufacturers should be launching their wares around the same time. I think Abit's mobo is due in June though. Just the other day a review site showed Gigabyte's board with some new chipsets for AM2. Not much of a review but the board was gorgeous!
May 5, 2006 1:22:29 AM

Yeah, I like what I've seen of the AM2 motherboards thus far.
May 5, 2006 1:24:02 AM

Also, congratulations on no longer being a "newbie"... I can't wait.
May 5, 2006 1:55:57 AM

lol. I didn't notice. Well good for me. hahaha!
May 5, 2006 2:37:44 AM

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I'm assuming that they will be out soon? I am looking for an upgrade and am holding off until the new tech comes out.........is socket AM2 worth going to or can I use DDR2 with the current 939 mobo's?

What kind of timeframes before we see the first ones for sale?

Thanks

Darren

Is socket AM2 worth going to is a great question but, the answer isn't an easy one because, only at the very low end or the very top of the line are the only CPU's missing from the 939's. While the AM2 boards are up to 10% faster buyers will have to pay upwards of 200% for those boards over 939's. For me the bigest problem of paying high for AM2 boards is the fact 939's can hold as much memory shorting new AM2 boards lifes as short as 939's. While this is a short term issue for AM2 its an important one to note new PC's with 1Giga leaving only 4X expansion puts them as low as the 754 board a year ago. I would say wait on a 16Giga AM2 board unless your going for the fastest CPU else buy a 10% faster CPU with the difference in board costs.
May 5, 2006 3:28:41 AM

You honestly think AM2 boards are going to cost $250 to $300.... no way man.
The first one released might cost that much on ebay, but that would be about it in my opinion.
May 5, 2006 4:01:11 AM

Where did you hear that an AM2 board is going to cost 200% more than a 939 board? The Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe goes for ~$200. 100% more is $400! 200% more is $600! Those numbers are crazy!

An AM2 cpu is only going to be ~$5 more than the 939 equivalent so there is no way an AM2 mobo is going to command that type of premium.
May 5, 2006 4:15:04 AM

So excuse my ignorance but there will be new AM2 CPU's as well as the mobo's? So the current dual core CPU's will be phased out?

Thanks again

Darren
May 5, 2006 4:41:56 AM

For everyone: vendors are now starting to stock the AMD AM2 CPUs but not selling them until the launch date. From what I see AMD is going to launch:

Sempron64 2800+ AM2 1.8GHZ 128KB Cache
Sempron64 3000+ AM2 1.8GHZ 128KB Cache
Sempron64 3200+ AM2 1.8GHZ 256KB Cache
Sempron64 3400+ AM2 2.0GHZ 256KB Cache

Athlon64 3500+ AM2 2.2GHZ 512KB Cache
Athlon64 3800+ AM2 2.4GHZ 512KB Cache

Athlon64 X2 DC 3800+ AM2 2.0GHZ 512KB Cache
Athlon64 X2 DC 4000+ AM2 2.0GHZ 512KB Cache
Athlon64 X2 DC 4200+ AM2 2.2GHZ 512KB Cache
Athlon64 X2 DC 4400+ AM2 2.2GHZ 1MB Cache
Athlon64 X2 DC 4600+ AM2 2.4GHZ 512K Cache
Athlon64 X2 DC 4800+ AM2 2.4GHZ 1MB Cache
Athlon64 X2 DC 5000+ AM2 2.6GHZ 1MB Cache

Athlon64 FX62 DC AM2 2.8GHZ 1MB X 2 Cache

My source is pretty (real) good. Looks like X2 Dual Cores (AM2) are going to be the biggest launch of AM2.
May 5, 2006 4:45:40 AM

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I say yes am2 will be better but not by much. No you cant use ddr2 with 939 cause the mem controller is on the chip not the mobo. May or later for the release.


are you saying that on the am2 chips will have their mem controllers on the mobo and not on the cpu?
May 5, 2006 6:12:38 AM

No, AM2 will have the memory controller on the CPU just like their s939 brethren.
May 5, 2006 5:44:15 PM

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So excuse my ignorance but there will be new AM2 CPU's as well as the mobo's? So the current dual core CPU's will be phased out?

Thanks again

Darren


AM2 refers to a new type of socket for AMD's CPU's. The whole purpose of AM2 mobo's is to support this new chip. The major difference from 939 is that AM2 is going to support DDR2 memory. Initially, AM2 chips will only be 5%-10% better than its 939 equivalent. 939's will continue to be supported/produced but all new technology and CPU models will be going into the AM2 line. If you haven't noticed from what I said DDR ram is also history.
May 5, 2006 6:02:51 PM

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So excuse my ignorance but there will be new AM2 CPU's as well as the mobo's? So the current dual core CPU's will be phased out?

Thanks again

Darren


AM2 refers to a new type of socket for AMD's CPU's. The whole purpose of AM2 mobo's is to support this new chip. The major difference from 939 is that AM2 is going to support DDR2 memory. Initially, AM2 chips will only be 5%-10% better than its 939 equivalent. 939's will continue to be supported/produced but all new technology and CPU models will be going into the AM2 line. If you haven't noticed from what I said DDR ram is also history.

Socket 939 CPUs are expected to be phased out (discontinued) Mid Year 2007 or so. Socket 754 may be phased out (discontinued) as soon as the AM2 has been launched (or 3-4 months after). AMD will be supporting Sempron64 with the new socket (AM2).

I loved the socket A because it stayed around for so many years. New released CPUs would work by just flashing the bios for most boards. That was great because it would reduce the cost of upgrading/ownership. You did not have to purchase a new motherboard (in-most cases) all you had to do is purchase the new CPU. Looks like AMD will go back to one-socket again (except for servers - Opterons). For people that can not afford the high-end AM2 CPU right away they could get the new AM2 motherboard and use a Sempron64 (AM2) for awhile before spending big bucks on the new AM2 CPU. Both Athlon64, X2 Dual Core & Sempron64 will work in the new AM2 sockets (Depending on motherboard specifics).

:wink:
May 5, 2006 6:55:38 PM

Another advantage of am2 is the power requirements will decrease, ddr2 uses less power and the chips will use less power, 65w dual cores, and a 35W x2 3800. Looks cool.
a c 97 V Motherboard
May 5, 2006 7:12:05 PM

"Socket 754 may be phased out (discontinued) as soon as the AM2 has been launched (or 3-4 months after)." Why do people dump on the S754 so much??? Oh well. For the record, AMD wants to DC S939 AS SOON AS POSSIBLE so that it stops eating into AM2 sales. S754 will/should stick around LONGER then S939.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1554
May 5, 2006 7:16:55 PM

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"Socket 754 may be phased out (discontinued) as soon as the AM2 has been launched (or 3-4 months after)." Why do people dump on the S754 so much??? Oh well. For the record, AMD wants to DC S939 AS SOON AS POSSIBLE so that it stops eating into AM2 sales. S754 will/should stick around LONGER then S939.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1554


I did not dump on the 754. What I stated is fact. For your information I use many 754 CPUs and for what they are they are good CPUs. 754 will go away before 939 since that CPU class is moving to AM2.

Have a good Day! :wink:
a c 97 V Motherboard
May 5, 2006 7:38:02 PM

Did you even read the link, or my post? Perhaps you don't believe the source? Can you provide a link that shows you're right?
May 5, 2006 9:06:02 PM

I didn't see any dumping on S754 and for a couple of quarters does it really matter which socket gets it plug pulled first? By the end of next year both S754 and S939 will be history. In 2008, if not H2 2007, we can look forward to AM2's with multicore. Then we can argue if multicore is worth it. lol :lol: 
May 6, 2006 12:49:18 AM

Well it's great that those CPU's will still work on the new motherboards and we don't necessarily need to by an AM2 CPU for the new boards.

I will try and buy one if I can though........I have a 2800+ XP at the moment so I will be shooting for the 3800 or 4000 depending on the prices.

Thanks again.
May 6, 2006 1:27:15 AM

AM2 mobo's will only take AM2 cpu's. Continued production of sockets 754 and 939 doesn't mean they will fit on an AM2 board. They won't.
May 6, 2006 1:53:51 AM

theres a new ASROCK mobo who has AGP, PCI-E 16X , is a 939 board, and has a expancion card to set a AM2 cpu (with the memory modules )
when you upgrade, I supose for current guys who are using 939 cpus, that would work for now.
and not having to buy everything from scratch.
May 6, 2006 5:40:43 PM

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You honestly think AM2 boards are going to cost $250 to $300.... no way man.
The first one released might cost that much on ebay, but that would be about it in my opinion.

Guys 200% of $70 is about $140 not $250 but the top motherboards may go for $300.
May 6, 2006 5:49:09 PM

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Where did you hear that an AM2 board is going to cost 200% more than a 939 board? The Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe goes for ~$200. 100% more is $400! 200% more is $600! Those numbers are crazy!

An AM2 cpu is only going to be ~$5 more than the 939 equivalent so there is no way an AM2 mobo is going to command that type of premium.

I like how you add the more statement which I didn't and 100% is the same price and 200% is double the price. AM2 mobo will command a premium just look at history of mobo's every time intel releases a new mobo for its P4 its cheapest are $150. I praise AMD for not doing this very often and just how much was a 939 when it first released?
May 9, 2006 10:07:49 AM

HAS AMD grown a set of very sharp teeth???? :?:

AMD has draw a line in the sand.
saying production will contine, translated this means till the warehouse full of what they have will be dribbled out then no more.

By pulling their favoured CPU types to AM2 AMD are saying thats it for the old sockets folks.

AMD are setting a baseline of "DUAL CORE", single CPU's are dead and so much yesterday. It perfected Dual core awhile ago and prefers this to the
stupid ramping up of clock frequencies which is inefficient.

By doing this they throw the guantlet down to Intel who are not 64 bit really yet, and not really upto the mark on dual core.
AMD want intel to look stupid.

Very soon the quad cores will come out they will do this again to
step away from single cores, and leave Intel choaking on its dust.

AM2 is the platform that AMD reseats its company up on.
They will be putting out their Conroe killer shortly probably.
Again a Marketing move. They are getting really agressive.
May 9, 2006 10:55:24 AM

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HAS AMD grown a set of very sharp teeth???? :?:

AMD has draw a line in the sand.
saying production will contine, translated this means till the warehouse full of what they have will be dribbled out then no more.

By pulling their favoured CPU types to AM2 AMD are saying thats it for the old sockets folks.

AMD are setting a baseline of "DUAL CORE", single CPU's are dead and so much yesterday. It perfected Dual core awhile ago and prefers this to the
stupid ramping up of clock frequencies which is inefficient.

By doing this they throw the guantlet down to Intel who are not 64 bit really yet, and not really upto the mark on dual core.
AMD want intel to look stupid.

Very soon the quad cores will come out they will do this again to
step away from single cores, and leave Intel choaking on its dust.

AM2 is the platform that AMD reseats its company up on.
They will be putting out their Conroe killer shortly probably.
Again a Marketing move. They are getting really agressive.


what the heck is that supposed to mean? how can intel be 64-bit but not really?
i suppose you got this crap from the Inquirer...
May 9, 2006 12:11:39 PM

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Where did you hear that an AM2 board is going to cost 200% more than a 939 board? The Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe goes for ~$200. 100% more is $400! 200% more is $600! Those numbers are crazy!

An AM2 cpu is only going to be ~$5 more than the 939 equivalent so there is no way an AM2 mobo is going to command that type of premium.

I like how you add the more statement which I didn't and 100% is the same price and 200% is double the price. AM2 mobo will command a premium just look at history of mobo's every time intel releases a new mobo for its P4 its cheapest are $150. I praise AMD for not doing this very often and just how much was a 939 when it first released?

Excuse my digression but for example:If the price of 100$ is rising for 50% it means that the price will become 150$,but for 200% it will become 300$.
May 9, 2006 1:39:32 PM

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You honestly think AM2 boards are going to cost $250 to $300.... no way man.
The first one released might cost that much on ebay, but that would be about it in my opinion.

Guys 200% of $70 is about $140 not $250 but the top motherboards may go for $300.

Is this speculation or do you hav a source for these projections?
May 10, 2006 5:53:03 PM

going by the pre-order prices that were on OcUK's site for a couple of days Abit's boards on release will be roughly 50% more than their existing 939 equivalents.
Once the initial novelty value wears off they will of course drop some.
May 12, 2006 4:26:41 AM

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Excuse my digression but for example:If the price of 100$ is rising for 50% it means that the price will become 150$,but for 200% it will become 300$.

I didn't use rising, more, or anything to imply in addition to the cost. I stated 200% which is double the cost.
May 12, 2006 5:40:32 AM

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So excuse my ignorance but there will be new AM2 CPU's as well as the mobo's? So the current dual core CPU's will be phased out?

Thanks again

Darren


AM2 refers to a new type of socket for AMD's CPU's. The whole purpose of AM2 mobo's is to support this new chip. The major difference from 939 is that AM2 is going to support DDR2 memory. Initially, AM2 chips will only be 5%-10% better than its 939 equivalent. 939's will continue to be supported/produced but all new technology and CPU models will be going into the AM2 line. If you haven't noticed from what I said DDR ram is also history.

Socket 939 CPUs are expected to be phased out (discontinued) Mid Year 2007 or so. Socket 754 may be phased out (discontinued) as soon as the AM2 has been launched (or 3-4 months after). AMD will be supporting Sempron64 with the new socket (AM2).

I loved the socket A because it stayed around for so many years. New released CPUs would work by just flashing the bios for most boards. That was great because it would reduce the cost of upgrading/ownership. You did not have to purchase a new motherboard (in-most cases) all you had to do is purchase the new CPU. Looks like AMD will go back to one-socket again (except for servers - Opterons). For people that can not afford the high-end AM2 CPU right away they could get the new AM2 motherboard and use a Sempron64 (AM2) for awhile before spending big bucks on the new AM2 CPU. Both Athlon64, X2 Dual Core & Sempron64 will work in the new AM2 sockets (Depending on motherboard specifics).

:wink:

The articles Ive seen all mirror what your saying about the various socket road maps with the exception of socket 754. From what Ive read, AMD was planning to continue support for the 754 server market untill at least 2008 based on the success of the 754 opertons. If it were up to me, I would have killed that socket (not badmouthing, just tired of 5000 different sockets) when 939 came out.

Additionally, AM2s life looks to be as short as 939s, with AMD already planning a LGA socket to superceed AM2 in 2008. Oh well, I suppose we had to expect AMD to start playing Intels "sockect of the year" game sooner or later

Its late and Im tired, so Ill see if I can find the links and post them tomorrow.
May 16, 2006 11:09:23 AM

Yes there is a typo there.... "64 bit ready..."

No it was not from the enquirer...do you read it, you must....well there you go...

Read the following.....
differentiate if you are able between the proccessors that are 64bit, those with EM64T, and those that are not EM64T in the Intel stable, and those that are 32 bit only in the last 2 years / or 1 year.

... Intel Says "No" to 64-bit Pentium 4 in Retail. No "Intel Inside" 64-bit ...

Intel are still trying to get there!
AMD on the other hand only have 64 bit capable proccessors in the last 2 years.(even more)
THIS IS WHAT AMD WAS SAYING 2 YEARS AGO(maybe more in their transition stage.)
With appropriate 64-bit supporting hardware and software, platforms based on an Intel processor supporting Intel EM64T can enable use of extended virtual and physical memory. Intel EM64T provides flexibility for 32-bit now and future software that supports 64-bit computing.

(HOW ABOUT NOTE BOOKS etc)

Intel EM64T for Server/Workstation Platforms
Intel® Extended Memory 64 Technology is one of a number of innovations added to Intel's Server/Workstation platforms. 64-bit computing is supported on a variety of Intel enterprise platforms, including:

(TO INTEL 64 BIT IS AN INNOVATION???? GO FIGURE...)

MP server platforms
DP server/workstation platforms
UP server/workstation platforms

Intel EM64T represents a natural addition to Intel's computing architecture, allowing platforms to access larger amounts of memory. Processors with Intel EM64T support 64-bit capable operating systems from Microsoft, Red Hat and SuSE. Processors running in legacy mode remain fully compatible with today's existing 32-bit applications and operating systems.

All of the 64-bit Intel® Xeon™ processors support 64-bit computing with Intel EM64T.
Learn how 64-bit capability can deliver exceptional performance and value across a full range of enterprise workloads.

64-bit Server Resource Center
64-Bit Solutions on Intel® Architecture
Intel® EM64T performance
IDC Intel® Xeon™ Whitepaper
Positioning the Intel® Xeon™ & Intel® Itanium® Processors
PCWorld.com - Tested: 64-Bit P4Intel hops on the 64-bit desktop bandwagon with new Pentium 4 CPUs. These chips are fast, but AMD's Athlon 64 FX retains the speed crown.
www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120082,00.asp - Similar pages


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May 16, 2006 4:49:41 PM

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It appears that the memory controller still can't achieve the data throughput rates required to give a larger increase in performance.

I think that you'll find that it's more a case of the CPU not needing the bandwidth available & therefore giving it more doesn't help.
However, once they start going to multi-CPU systems it should help.
May 16, 2006 8:03:23 PM

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Ford_Prefect wrote:
It appears that the memory controller still can't achieve the data throughput rates required to give a larger increase in performance.

I think that you'll find that it's more a case of the CPU not needing the bandwidth available & therefore giving it more doesn't help.
However, once they start going to multi-CPU systems it should help.

Maybe but will even the top AM2 CPU increase it or will it take a CPU 6 months from the AM2 release to use the band width better. I find a bit of a problem with this as the second page shows DDR 500 memory on a 939 getting a higher % increase over DDR 400 than the AM2 boards DDR2 800.
May 21, 2006 1:44:20 PM

so help a newb like me out - i want to get a new system in two months. i was all set on the board and processor i wanted, but now you guys go and throw all this at me.
i've literally just heard about AM2, so what do i do? i don't want to pay a fortune now for a 10% performance boost. but i guess in a year or so i will have to buy new memory, mobo and processor right? hopefully longer!
my machine is going to cost a small fortune, with intent of being able to pick a game off the shelf, install and set the detail to max.
in the end i guess it's the graphics card that will really determine gaming performance, so we should all be safe for a while i recon.
right?
:roll:
May 21, 2006 8:20:05 PM

AM2 and the latest motherboards for it will be launched in two days. If you can wait two days you can see for sure if it will be a fortune more (it won't) than s939. If you get s939 now and want to upgrade in the future, yes, you will need new ram (DDR2), a new mobo and an AM2 cpu.
May 21, 2006 11:19:28 PM

well i need to wait a few months anyway. at least then all the bios issues and teething problems should be sorted. :p 
May 22, 2006 12:17:49 AM

I don't know if you're wedded to the idea of getting AMD but Intel's Conroe is supposed to be launched in two months. If you believe the early hype and spin, Conroe kills the FX60. In any case we should start seeing real world test results for AM2 next week and for Conroe in July.
May 22, 2006 1:56:24 AM

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well i need to wait a few months anyway. at least then all the bios issues and teething problems should be sorted.

I would put off buying any system until mobo's can take about 16Gb's of RAM. Right now a 4Gb max mobo may only buy you 2 years of compatablity. It would be bad to pay high price for AM2 or the conroe mobo and be forced to upgrade.

Most builders suggest 2Gb's of RAM now!
May 22, 2006 2:01:49 AM

But nothing uses 2GB RAM does it? Vista will need it but aside from that what software would need that kind of RAM???

This whole upgrading thing is getting interesting, now I am completely confused but I think I might go with the new AM2 board when I upgrade.

I just need the money from my divorce settlement to come through...........lol.
May 22, 2006 6:48:37 PM

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But nothing uses 2GB RAM does it? Vista will need it but aside from that what software would need that kind of RAM???

This whole upgrading thing is getting interesting, now I am completely confused but I think I might go with the new AM2 board when I upgrade.

I just need the money from my divorce settlement to come through...........lol.

A need in computers is a requirement and no I currently can think of no program that requires 2Gb's of RAM. A want however in computers would be the suggest system spec's and those are as high as 1Gb of system RAM.
While no program needs 2Gb's or RAM there are many that can use 2GB's to get better frame rates.
Why would you want to place 1Gb in 2x512 configeration just to replace it later with 2x1024 memory? I would max the slots out or only buy 2x256 and save either way.

The fact that AM2 shows almost no % increase over the 939 means there isn't an AMD processor that needs or can take advantage of the wider band width. New AM2 boards will only hold 4Gb's of RAM so no perceived advantage on expandability . The only thing I see the AM2 doing until it can hold more memory is costing you more or allow you the Sempron64 with 4Gb's of RAM expandability over the 754 socket mobo.
May 22, 2006 9:05:56 PM

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The only thing I see the AM2 doing until it can hold more memory is costing you more or allow you the Sempron64 with 4Gb's of RAM expandability over the 754 socket mobo.


I've been sorta assuming that the AM2 mobo is like the old Sam and Dave song "Hold On, I'm Comin'" - sort of a plea for patience from the AMD faithful. Those that go this route are probably hoping that AMD doesn't have problems with premature CPUjaculations come 65nm time.
May 23, 2006 12:39:23 AM

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I've been sorta assuming that the AM2 mobo is like the old Sam and Dave song "Hold On, I'm Comin'" - sort of a plea for patience from the AMD faithful. Those that go this route are probably hoping that AMD doesn't have problems with premature CPUjaculations come 65nm time.

So true and I dont see any CPU from AMD moving the AM2 until K8L set to lunch 1Q 07.
May 23, 2006 1:08:35 AM

uhm... just for your information....

am2 is coming out in about 12 hours.... and also, am2 boards should be out with it if not already out...
May 23, 2006 1:23:24 AM

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uhm... just for your information....

am2 is coming out in about 12 hours.... and also, am2 boards should be out with it if not already out...

Is AM2 comming out in 12 hours or already out?
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