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Anonymous
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February 18, 2005 11:23:13 PM

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http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050218/185158_1.html

Designjet 90 A2+/C+ 6 colour prints up to 18+24 inch.
Optional 18 inch roll-feed.
Fade resistance similar to analogue printing.
6 large ink cartridges as used in Designjet 130.
Available in summer at 995 US dollars.

Photosmart 8750 A3+ has 9 inks including BLUE cartridge.
Black and light black inks for excellent B/W printing.
Fade resistance 200 year in archive.
Avalable April 499 US dollars.

You had better get in line for that Designjet!

Deryck
Anonymous
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February 18, 2005 11:55:38 PM

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The message <2005021820231370814@deryck.com>
from deryck lant <deryck@deryck.com> contains these words:

> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050218/185158_1.html

> Designjet 90 A2+/C+ 6 colour prints up to 18+24 inch.
> Optional 18 inch roll-feed.
> Fade resistance similar to analogue printing.
> 6 large ink cartridges as used in Designjet 130.
> Available in summer at 995 US dollars.

> Photosmart 8750 A3+ has 9 inks including BLUE cartridge.
> Black and light black inks for excellent B/W printing.
> Fade resistance 200 year in archive.
> Avalable April 499 US dollars.

> You had better get in line for that Designjet!

More facts on the Designjet 90:

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2005/pma/f...

Deryck
Anonymous
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February 19, 2005 12:34:26 AM

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The message <2005021820553870814@deryck.com>
from deryck lant <deryck@deryck.com> contains these words:

> The message <2005021820231370814@deryck.com>
> from deryck lant <deryck@deryck.com> contains these words:

> > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050218/185158_1.html

> > Designjet 90 A2+/C+ 6 colour prints up to 18+24 inch.
> > Optional 18 inch roll-feed.
> > Fade resistance similar to analogue printing.
> > 6 large ink cartridges as used in Designjet 130.
> > Available in summer at 995 US dollars.

> > Photosmart 8750 A3+ has 9 inks including BLUE cartridge.
> > Black and light black inks for excellent B/W printing.
> > Fade resistance 200 year in archive.
> > Avalable April 499 US dollars.

> > You had better get in line for that Designjet!

> More facts on the Designjet 90:

> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2005/pma/f...

More on both printers:

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2005/pma/p...
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Anonymous
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February 19, 2005 2:52:21 PM

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the 8750 sounds cool :) 
9 inks WOW
I this a departure gesture for Carly Fiora <wink>
"deryck lant" <deryck@deryck.com> wrote in message
news:2005021820231370814@deryck.com...
> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050218/185158_1.html
>
> Designjet 90 A2+/C+ 6 colour prints up to 18+24 inch.
> Optional 18 inch roll-feed.
> Fade resistance similar to analogue printing.
> 6 large ink cartridges as used in Designjet 130.
> Available in summer at 995 US dollars.
>
> Photosmart A3+ has 9 inks including BLUE cartridge.
> Black and light black inks for excellent B/W printing.
> Fade resistance 200 year in archive.
> Avalable April 499 US dollars.
>
> You had better get in line for that Designjet!
>
> Deryck
Anonymous
a b α HP
February 22, 2005 5:03:26 PM

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I was looking at the new Designjet 90, and it does look interesting at
under $1000. Does anyone know the difference between the 90 and the
90R, and also are there any prices published for the cartridges (the
29ml Magenta and Cyan) and the 68ml (light Cyan and Magenta, yellow and
black)

BTW, the sizes make good sense. People tend to use the light M and C at
about twice the rate of the full dye load cartridges (depending on the
design of the drivers), and yellow gets more use than C or M by a small
amount, on average.

Art

deryck lant wrote:

> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050218/185158_1.html
>
> Designjet 90 A2+/C+ 6 colour prints up to 18+24 inch.
> Optional 18 inch roll-feed.
> Fade resistance similar to analogue printing.
> 6 large ink cartridges as used in Designjet 130.
> Available in summer at 995 US dollars.
>
> Photosmart 8750 A3+ has 9 inks including BLUE cartridge.
> Black and light black inks for excellent B/W printing.
> Fade resistance 200 year in archive.
> Avalable April 499 US dollars.
>
> You had better get in line for that Designjet!
>
> Deryck
Anonymous
a b α HP
February 22, 2005 5:14:49 PM

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A few other comments, and maybe an answer to my own question...

It seems that the 90r has the roll paper attachment included. I don't
know if that offers any savings over buying the 90 and paying separately
for the roll paper adapter.

4 picolitre is still a bit large, but this is designed as a larger
format printers where it may not matter since you will be standing
further away to view the print when larger ones are printed. ALso, it
depends upon how the color is laid down as to if 4 picolitre will show
up or not.


Heads are separate from cartridges, but I assume are still thermal, and
they apparently do wear out, since they are sold separately. No work on
how long they last or what the cost to replace. I assume head
replacement is user serviceable.

I didn't see anything about speed of output.

I assume the unit uses swellable polymer paper coatings, which are good
at making dye inks more permanent, but they usually are poor in
resistance to water damage, should the paper get wet. Also, HP doesn't
tend to have a wide selection of papers available either in their own
product line or 3rd party art papers. I would imagine the inks
longevity has a lotto do with the paper coatings used, so if you use 3rd
party papers, it may compromise the permanence of the ink coloration.

Sounds interesting but cost of running it may be where the fly is in the
ointment.

Art

deryck lant wrote:

> The message <2005021820231370814@deryck.com>
> from deryck lant <deryck@deryck.com> contains these words:
>
>
>>http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050218/185158_1.html
>
>
>>Designjet 90 A2+/C+ 6 colour prints up to 18+24 inch.
>>Optional 18 inch roll-feed.
>>Fade resistance similar to analogue printing.
>>6 large ink cartridges as used in Designjet 130.
>>Available in summer at 995 US dollars.
>
>
>>Photosmart 8750 A3+ has 9 inks including BLUE cartridge.
>>Black and light black inks for excellent B/W printing.
>>Fade resistance 200 year in archive.
>>Avalable April 499 US dollars.
>
>
>>You had better get in line for that Designjet!
>
>
> More facts on the Designjet 90:
>
> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2005/pma/f...
>
> Deryck
Anonymous
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February 22, 2005 9:59:00 PM

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"Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
news:o YGSd.25129$NN.19824@edtnps89...
>I was looking at the new Designjet 90, and it does look interesting at under
>$1000. Does anyone know the difference between the 90 and the 90R, and also
>are there any prices published for the cartridges (the 29ml Magenta and Cyan)
>and the 68ml (light Cyan and Magenta, yellow and black)

https://www.designjet.hp.com/pdp/render.html?new_produc...
has the supplies prices.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Anonymous
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February 23, 2005 7:46:12 PM

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Hi Bob,

Thanks for that link.

I think there is a mistake on it with the prices. I have a feeling the
69ml light cyan, yellow and light magenta inks are supposed to be more
costly, like maybe $43.99 as the black, because the 3 packs of those
inks (c,m and Y) actually cost more at $107.99 than would buying three
separate ones at $34.99 each ($104.97).

The ink prices seem quite good on these, as do the head prices. Does
anyone have any idea of the approximate lifespan of the heads? (One
cartridge, two cartridges, etc?) I suppose it would depend on the color
in question since some have 28ml cartridges and others 69ml.

Anything on print speed yet?

Art


Bob Headrick wrote:

> "Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:o YGSd.25129$NN.19824@edtnps89...
>
>>I was looking at the new Designjet 90, and it does look interesting at under
>>$1000. Does anyone know the difference between the 90 and the 90R, and also
>>are there any prices published for the cartridges (the 29ml Magenta and Cyan)
>>and the 68ml (light Cyan and Magenta, yellow and black)
>
>
> https://www.designjet.hp.com/pdp/render.html?new_produc...
> has the supplies prices.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
>
>
Anonymous
a b α HP
February 23, 2005 9:20:44 PM

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"Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
news:o r2Td.24687$0h.20537@clgrps13...
> I think there is a mistake on it with the prices. I have a feeling the 69ml
> light cyan, yellow and light magenta inks are supposed to be more costly,
> like maybe $43.99 as the black, because the 3 packs of those inks (c,m and Y)
> actually cost more at $107.99 than would buying three separate ones at $34.99
> each ($104.97).

Thanks, I missed that. I will provide some feedback to our technical marketing
folks.

> The ink prices seem quite good on these, as do the head prices. Does anyone
> have any idea of the approximate lifespan of the heads? (One cartridge, two
> cartridges, etc?) I suppose it would depend on the color in question since
> some have 28ml cartridges and others 69ml.

The printheads are rated at 30 months in the printer or 200mL of ink,
whichever comes first. See
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?lc=e...

> Anything on print speed yet?

https://www.designjet.hp.com/pdp/render.html?new_produc...
says the print speed for A3/B size is 4 minutes per page in normal mode and 6
mpp for best mode printing on glossy photo paper the ISO N5 (antique bicycle)
file.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Anonymous
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February 24, 2005 4:55:45 PM

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One can somewhat understand why HP has a limitation on the ink (I assume
that these dates are visible before purchasing or opening the package,
yes?) after 30 months, the ink could develop chemical changes that might
harm the head (of course, since the head is replaceable also, I
somewhat wonder about the need to do this). However, I have to question
why the ink heads have expiration dates on them, before installation.
Do they degrade in their sealed package? Again, I can "sort of"
comprehend the head having a life span within the printer (amount of ink
through it seems reasonable), but of the ink cartridge is "clocked for
time" then the head shouldn't require it.

It does somewhat appear that HP is trying to insure a certain amount of
ink flows through the machine in a certain time.

Art


Bob Headrick wrote:

> "Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
>
>
> The printheads are rated at 30 months in the printer or 200mL of ink,
> whichever comes first. See
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?lc=e...
>
>
>>Anything on print speed yet?
>
>
> https://www.designjet.hp.com/pdp/render.html?new_produc...
> says the print speed for A3/B size is 4 minutes per page in normal mode and 6
> mpp for best mode printing on glossy photo paper the ISO N5 (antique bicycle)
> file.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
>
>
>
Anonymous
a b α HP
February 24, 2005 4:55:46 PM

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"Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
news:B1lTd.4340$TB.2453@edtnps84...
> One can somewhat understand why HP has a limitation on the ink (I assume that
> these dates are visible before purchasing or opening the package, yes?)

Yes, the package has a clear "install by" date printed typically on the back
lower left of the package. the packaging is designed so this can be read even
in the case of multi-packs.

> after 30 months, the ink could develop chemical changes that might harm the
> head (of course, since the head is replaceable also, I somewhat wonder about
> the need to do this). However, I have to question why the ink heads have
> expiration dates on them, before installation.

The printheads are shipped with ink in them as well. The same forces affect
the printheads; over time water vapor from the ink can diffuse through the
plastic and result in the ink getting thicker.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
Anonymous
a b α HP
February 28, 2005 4:45:07 PM

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OK, is this why the heads are sold by color? I always wondered about
that... I noticed on the retailer's shelves that the heads to certain HP
printers were sold as magenta, cyan or yellow replacement heads. I
could understand the black being unique because it might have more
resolution or nozzles, but I could never figure out why the color heads
were sold as unique parts. What is the reason for the heads having ink
in them at time of purchase, is that to prevent a air lock after
installation?

Art



Bob Headrick wrote:


>
> The printheads are shipped with ink in them as well. The same forces affect
> the printheads; over time water vapor from the ink can diffuse through the
> plastic and result in the ink getting thicker.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
>
>
Anonymous
a b α HP
March 1, 2005 12:41:49 AM

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"Arthur Entlich" <artistic@telus.net> wrote in message
news:D fFUd.16774$TB.6429@edtnps84...
>
> OK, is this why the heads are sold by color? I always wondered about that...
> I noticed on the retailer's shelves that the heads to certain HP printers
> were sold as magenta, cyan or yellow replacement heads. I could understand
> the black being unique because it might have more resolution or nozzles, but
> I could never figure out why the color heads were sold as unique parts. What
> is the reason for the heads having ink in them at time of purchase, is that
> to prevent a air lock after installation?

Yes, the printheads have ink to avoid having problems with air in the system.
If the printheads were shipped "dry" it would take quite a bit of priming
whenever printheads were replaced, which would be rather wasteful of ink.

BTW, the following was just released:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050228/286213_1.html. Note the Photosmart 8750 and a
few other HP printers took top honors in their categories at PMA 2005.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
!