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Anonymous
August 20, 2005 9:34:23 PM

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A friend dropped off computer (HP win98). The modem doesn't connect.
I got a new modem but when I started computer to try and open device manager
so
I could uninstall the old modem, I discovered I can't get Control Panel to
open. When I right click on my computer and click on Properties, nothing
happens.

Any clues???

Thanks
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 9:57:08 PM

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Try this first:
Extract a new copy of RUNDLL32.EXE from either your Windows 98 CD or from the CAB
files on your hard drive, whichever you have, to the Windows folder, using the
"Extract one file" option of System File Checker (SFC).

See here for details and examples:
How to use System File Checker (SFC) to extract a file:
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm#1pp
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm#2pp

HOW TO: Extract Original Compressed Windows Files:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;129605#5
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:BjNNe.880$ZD4.180@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> A friend dropped off computer (HP win98). The modem doesn't connect.
> I got a new modem but when I started computer to try and open device manager
> so
> I could uninstall the old modem, I discovered I can't get Control Panel to
> open. When I right click on my computer and click on Properties, nothing
> happens.
>
> Any clues???
>
> Thanks
>
>
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 10:35:59 PM

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THANK YOU!!!! That worked! I just extracted RUNDLL.32.EXE and bingo. I
can get in to everything!!!
Thanks again!!!

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Try this first:
> Extract a new copy of RUNDLL32.EXE from either your Windows 98 CD or from
the CAB
> files on your hard drive, whichever you have, to the Windows folder, using
the
> "Extract one file" option of System File Checker (SFC).
>
> See here for details and examples:
> How to use System File Checker (SFC) to extract a file:
> http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm#1pp
> http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm#2pp
>
> HOW TO: Extract Original Compressed Windows Files:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;129605#5
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:BjNNe.880$ZD4.180@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > A friend dropped off computer (HP win98). The modem doesn't connect.
> > I got a new modem but when I started computer to try and open device
manager
> > so
> > I could uninstall the old modem, I discovered I can't get Control Panel
to
> > open. When I right click on my computer and click on Properties,
nothing
> > happens.
> >
> > Any clues???
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
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Anonymous
August 20, 2005 10:57:27 PM

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My victory dance was a bit pre-mature. It worked for a minute. Now I can't
get in again.
Here is the situation. My friend's computer has a dialup modem which
wouldn't connect.
I got a new one for her and before I put it in, I tried to go to control
panel, system to start
Device Manager to uninstall the old modem driver. I couldn't open device
manager because
I couldn't open control panel. And right click My Computer wouldn't work
either. I did the
extraction of rundll32.exe and I could see inside My Computer again. Soooo,
I thought I would
try the old modem again incase it actually did work. I couldn't get into
My Computer again or
Control Panel. So I just redid the whole extraction process again. Now it
didn't work. I can't
open My Computer or Control Panel. I just clicked on Word (MS application)
and it doesn't
work either. Ohhhhh dear. It seems a lot of things aren't working.

What to try??

Thanks so much for your help. This friend has no money and she's old enough
that she should
probably be in nursing home. But she does love to email her grand kids.

Thanks so much!!!
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 11:09:51 PM

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I just started an sfc and it is finding lots of files (arp.exe, ftp.exe,
ipconfig.exe, ping.exe, route.exe, telenet.exe tracert.exe, winipcfg.exe -
that's where I stopped figuring there are too many to list) that have been
changed from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. What could have done that? The poor dear
does have some data on this hard drive. The computer isn't worth much. Can
I restore the OS without losing her data?

I haven't worked with win98 much and for a long time at that.

Thanks again!!!
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 11:28:34 PM

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(1) Better update definitions, & run a virus scan.
(2) Have you done a Tweak with TWeakUI? Then, perhaps undo that.
(3) Here is how to troubleshoot the Control Panel...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299923&Product=w98
How to Troubleshoot Control Panel Issues in Windows
(299923) - When you attempt to open Control Panel (click Start , point
to Settings , and then click Control Panel ), it does not open as you
expect. One or more of the following may occur: You receive an error
message similar to the following: Program has...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;192806
How to Run Control Panel Tools by Typing a Command
(192806) - This article describes how to run Control Panel tools in
Windows by typing a command at a command prompt or in the Open box.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;149648&Product=w98
Description of Control Panel (.cpl) Files

(4) Here are articles about My Computer...

http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN... MSKB
Search "Explorer caused"; Windows 98; Full Text; Exact Phrase; comes up
with many, inc. these that mention My Computer...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;148322&Product=w98
Err Msg: Explorer Caused a Page Fault in Module Shell32.dll
(148322) - When you try to open My Computer, Control Panel, or the
Printers folder, you may receive one of the following error messages:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module Shell32.dll. -or-
Explorer caused a divide error in module Shell32.dll.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;227152&Product=w98
Error Message: Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Pdm.dll
(227152) - When you use Windows Explorer or features in Windows that use
Windows Explorer (such as My Computer), you may receive the following
error message: Explorer caused an invalid page fault in PDM.DLL.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;311359&Product=w98
An Invalid Page Fault Occurs in Module Shdocvw.dll When You Open My
Computer or Control Panel
(311359) - When you attempt to open My Computer or Control Panel, you
may receive the following error message: Explorer caused an invalid page
fault in module SHDOCVW.dll

BUT, urlmon.dll has legitimately been updated since those .cab's came
out...

URLMON.DLL
Desc: OLE32 Extensions for Win32
Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
Size: 495,104 bytes
Mod: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 05:37:46 PM
Ver: 6.00.2800.1485


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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| My victory dance was a bit pre-mature. It worked for a minute. Now I
can't
| get in again.
| Here is the situation. My friend's computer has a dialup modem which
| wouldn't connect.
| I got a new one for her and before I put it in, I tried to go to
control
| panel, system to start
| Device Manager to uninstall the old modem driver. I couldn't open
device
| manager because
| I couldn't open control panel. And right click My Computer wouldn't
work
| either. I did the
| extraction of rundll32.exe and I could see inside My Computer again.
Soooo,
| I thought I would
| try the old modem again incase it actually did work. I couldn't get
into
| My Computer again or
| Control Panel. So I just redid the whole extraction process again.
Now it
| didn't work. I can't
| open My Computer or Control Panel. I just clicked on Word (MS
application)
| and it doesn't
| work either. Ohhhhh dear. It seems a lot of things aren't working.
|
| What to try??
|
| Thanks so much for your help. This friend has no money and she's old
enough
| that she should
| probably be in nursing home. But she does love to email her grand
kids.
|
| Thanks so much!!!
|
|
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 11:34:47 PM

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"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
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> Will it boot to Safe Mode? If you can remove any/all modem devices in
Device
> Manager.\


Yes it does get into safe mode and yes I could remove modem from Device Mgr.
Since everything I have
tried works in safe mode, why doesn't it work in normal start??

Thanks much!!!!
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 11:46:25 PM

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I can't add much to what Jeff Richards has posted in his reply already. Replacing
rundll and having it work and then stop working again, sounds a lot like a virus or
other malware is involved. Considering all the other problems that you are
reporting, Jeff's suggestion of copying off the data and doing a format /clean
install is the best option.

SFC is a "dumb" program...it can only compare files to its database....and if you
don't manually have it update the database every time an update or program is
installed or removed, the database is pretty useless, along with the apps
recommendations.

Don't throw away the old modem yet....it is likely that your connection problems
were not due to the modem, but due to malware. One thing you should try is to get
the device names and models from Device Manager so that you know what drivers to
look for if you need them after a clean install of Windows. Try getting into Device
Manager this way:
Click Start> Run, type the following and click OK:
C:\WINDOWS\CONTROL.EXE Sysdm.cpl, System,1
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:aJONe.38957$rp.7395@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> I just started an sfc and it is finding lots of files (arp.exe, ftp.exe,
> ipconfig.exe, ping.exe, route.exe, telenet.exe tracert.exe, winipcfg.exe -
> that's where I stopped figuring there are too many to list) that have been
> changed from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. What could have done that? The poor dear
> does have some data on this hard drive. The computer isn't worth much. Can
> I restore the OS without losing her data?
>
> I haven't worked with win98 much and for a long time at that.
>
> Thanks again!!!
>
>
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 11:57:20 PM

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Because the malware is apparently not loading in Safe Mode. It is probably loading
through one of the startup locations, either the StartUp folder, or one of the Run*
keys in the Registry. Safe Mode does not process any of those startup locations.

If you want to get an idea what is happening in terms of what malware is on the
system, download Hijack This on your computer and transfer it to the problem
computer, then run it, save the log and post back with it. Generally I do not
suggest posting HJT logs here, but rather in a forum that specialises in deciphering
them. In this case, it may help to do a quick look at it here, as I think you may
find enough malware to warrant a format/reinstall rather than attempting to clean
the system. Even if not, judging from the other problems presented, a reinstall is
likely the way to go.

Here is my standard "blurb" on using HJT:

Download, unzip, and run Hijack This from one of these locations:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html
http://www.spywareinfo.com/downloads/tools/HijackThis.e...
Unzip to a folder *other than* your Desktop or the Temp folder, double-click
HijackThis.exe, and hit "Scan".

When the scan is finished, the "Scan" button will change into a "Save Log"
button.
Press that, save the log somewhere you can find it (Desktop, My Documents, or
similar).
Most of what it lists will be harmless or even required, so do NOT fix anything yet.

Copy the log files and paste them into a new post at ONE of these forums:
http://forum.aumha.org/viewforum.php?f=30
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/,
http://castlecops.com/forum67.html
(For right now, just post it in a reply to this message)

In your post, please state your problem clearly and what you've done so far to fix
it.

The folks there will tell you what to remove.

See the "housekeeping" you should complete before you post your log:
http://aumha.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4075

A tutorial for using Hijack This is located here:
http://tomcoyote.com/hjt/

You may need to run HJT from Safe Mode, if there are problems running it in normal
mode.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:t4PNe.38963$rp.22478@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:o qUOh1dpFHA.3084@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Will it boot to Safe Mode? If you can remove any/all modem devices in
> Device
> > Manager.\
>
>
> Yes it does get into safe mode and yes I could remove modem from Device Mgr.
> Since everything I have
> tried works in safe mode, why doesn't it work in normal start??
>
> Thanks much!!!!
>
>
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 12:09:29 AM

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"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:o 9zCeFepFHA.2444@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Try getting into Device
> Manager this way:
> Click Start> Run, type the following and click OK:
> C:\WINDOWS\CONTROL.EXE Sysdm.cpl, System,1

Thanks, that worked!
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 12:23:57 AM

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"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Because the malware is apparently not loading in Safe Mode. It is
probably loading
> through one of the startup locations, either the StartUp folder, or one of
the Run*
> keys in the Registry. Safe Mode does not process any of those startup
locations.

Thanks again for your very kind help. I have hijackthis on a cd but how do
I move it from
cd to desktop since I can't open My computer??

Thanks
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 12:47:43 AM

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"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:yOPNe.38991$rp.23524@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:eX9ClLepFHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Because the malware is apparently not loading in Safe Mode. It is
> probably loading
> > through one of the startup locations, either the StartUp folder, or one of
> the Run*
> > keys in the Registry. Safe Mode does not process any of those startup
> locations.
>
> Thanks again for your very kind help. I have hijackthis on a cd but how do
> I move it from
> cd to desktop since I can't open My computer??

Can you open Windows Explorer? (Hold down the Windows key, and press the E key)

Make a folder on her Desktop: right-click the Desktop, click New> Folder, and name
it HijackThis.
In Windows Explorer, right-click-drag HijackThis.exe to the new folder, release the
right mouse button, and from the menu that appears, click Copy.

If you can't open Windows Explorer either, I will have to give you DOS commands to
use from an MS-DOS Prompt.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 1:11:10 AM

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"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> Can you open Windows Explorer? (Hold down the Windows key, and press the E
key)
>
> Make a folder on her Desktop: right-click the Desktop, click New> Folder,
and name
> it HijackThis.
> In Windows Explorer, right-click-drag HijackThis.exe to the new folder,
release the
> right mouse button, and from the menu that appears, click Copy.
>
> If you can't open Windows Explorer either, I will have to give you DOS
commands to
> use from an MS-DOS Prompt.

I got antzy and when ahead and pulled the harddrive and put it in my system.
I just ran
Micro Trend PC-cillin and it didn't find anything. I will go ahead and pull
all the data and
reinstall. At this point, it seems the fastest way out. If you have any
suggestions, please
respond.

Thank YOU so much for all of your help!!!
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 1:28:02 AM

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"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:RuQNe.916$ZD4.104@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:o 09DunepFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Can you open Windows Explorer? (Hold down the Windows key, and press the E
> key)
> >
> > Make a folder on her Desktop: right-click the Desktop, click New> Folder,
> and name
> > it HijackThis.
> > In Windows Explorer, right-click-drag HijackThis.exe to the new folder,
> release the
> > right mouse button, and from the menu that appears, click Copy.
> >
> > If you can't open Windows Explorer either, I will have to give you DOS
> commands to
> > use from an MS-DOS Prompt.
>
> I got antzy and when ahead and pulled the harddrive and put it in my system.
> I just ran
> Micro Trend PC-cillin and it didn't find anything. I will go ahead and pull
> all the data and
> reinstall. At this point, it seems the fastest way out. If you have any
> suggestions, please
> respond.
>
> Thank YOU so much for all of your help!!!

That is the best course considering the variety of problems that seem to be
presenting. Hijack This was just to see what in particular showed up. PC-cillin
didn't find anything...that is good, but still leaves a lot of possibilities. Virus
scanners only detect viruses and some trojans. Much malware remains outside that
scope. Please let us know how the format and reinstall goes...hopefully you have
what you need to get it all straightened out.

Here is a link to a good article on how to proceed:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 3:32:44 AM

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"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:RuQNe.916$ZD4.104@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:o 09DunepFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > >
> > > Can you open Windows Explorer? (Hold down the Windows key, and press
the E
> > key)
> > >
> > > Make a folder on her Desktop: right-click the Desktop, click New>
Folder,
> > and name
> > > it HijackThis.

Here is the log. I had to put drive back in the old computer to pull the
product key for win98.
Now it is working well enough for me to do this. Add erratic behavior to
the list.
hijackthis log

Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 11:14:07 PM, on 8/20/05
Platform: Windows 98 SE (Win9x 4.10.2222A)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSGSRV32.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPREXE.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSTASK.EXE
C:\COMPAQ\INTERNET\ISDBDC.EXE
C:\PROGRAM FILES\COMMON FILES\AOL\ACS\ACSD.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\mmtask.tsk
C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\TASKMON.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SYSTRAY.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\ptsnoop.exe
C:\COMPAQ\CPQINET\CPQINET.EXE
C:\CPQS\BWTOOLS\SCCENTER.EXE
C:\MOUSE\SYSTEM\EM_EXEC.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\LVCOMS.EXE
C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\IMAGESTUDIO\LOGITRAY.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\STIMON.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\RunDLL.exe
C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE
C:\PROGRAM FILES\WINDOWS MEDIA COMPONENTS\ENCODER\WMENCAGT.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WMIEXE.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SPOOL32.EXE
C:\HIJACKTHIS\HIJACKTHIS.EXE
C:\COMPAQ\CPQINET\CPQNPCSS.EXE

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL =
http://desktop.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presari...
sumer&LC=0409&c=1c00
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar =
http://rd.companion.yahoo.com/slv/ycheck/as/*http://www.yahoo.com/search/ie.
html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page =
http://rd.companion.yahoo.com/slv/ycheck/as/*http://www.yahoo.com
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar =
http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
&s=searchbar&LC=0409
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchURL,(Default) =
http://rd.companion.yahoo.com/slv/ycheck/as/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?
p=%s
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Window Title = Microsoft
Internet Explorer provided by America Online
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet
Settings,ProxyOverride = localhost
F1 - win.ini: run=hpfsched
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} -
C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADOBE\ACROBAT 5.0\READER\ACTIVEX\ACROIEHELPER.OCX
O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} -
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSDXM.OCX
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ScanRegistry] c:\windows\scanregw.exe /autorun
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TaskMonitor] c:\windows\taskmon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LoadPowerProfile] Rundll32.exe
powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SystemTray] SysTray.Exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CountrySelection] pctptt.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PTSNOOP] ptsnoop.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CPQEASYACC] C:\Program Files\Compaq\Easy Access Button
Support\cpqeadm.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EACLEAN] C:\Program Files\Compaq\Easy Access Button
Support\eaclean.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CPQInet] c:\compaq\CPQInet\CpqInet.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [cpqns] c:\compaq\cpqinet\cpqnpcss.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Service Connection] c:\cpqs\bwtools\sccenter.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EM_EXEC] C:\MOUSE\SYSTEM\EM_EXEC.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LVComs] c:\windows\SYSTEM\LVComS.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechGalleryRepair] C:\Program
Files\Logitech\ImageStudio\ISStart.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechImageStudioTray] C:\Program
Files\Logitech\ImageStudio\LogiTray.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StillImageMonitor] C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\STIMON.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [LoadPowerProfile] Rundll32.exe
powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [SchedulingAgent] mstask.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [isdbdc] c:\compaq\internet\isdbdc.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [AolAcsDaemon1] "C:\PROGRAM FILES\COMMON
FILES\AOL\ACS\ACSD.EXE"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Taskbar Display Controls] RunDLL
deskcp16.dll,QUICKRES_RUNDLLENTRY
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [LDM] C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop
Messenger\8876480\Program\BackWeb-8876480.exe
O4 - Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O4 - Startup: America Online 9.0 Tray Icon.lnk = C:\Program Files\America
Online 9.0\aoltray.exe
O4 - Startup: Logitech Desktop Messenger.lnk = C:\Program
Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\LDMConf.exe
O4 - Startup: Encoder Agent.lnk = C:\Program Files\Windows Media
Components\Encoder\WMENCAGT.EXE
O9 - Extra button: Related - {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} -
C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Show &Related Links -
{c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} - C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
O9 - Extra button: Translate - {06FE5D05-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
belfish&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: AV &Translate -
{06FE5D05-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
belfish&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {06FE5D02-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
nksearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: &Find Pages Linking to this URL -
{06FE5D02-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
nksearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {06FE5D03-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
stsearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Find Other Pages on this &Host -
{06FE5D03-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
stsearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
O9 - Extra button: Real.com - {CD67F990-D8E9-11d2-98FE-00C0F0318AFE} -
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Shdocvw.dll
O12 - Plugin for .spop: C:\PROGRA~1\INTERN~1\Plugins\NPDocBox.dll
O14 - IERESET.INF: START_PAGE_URL=http://www.aol.com
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 4:31:54 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Lyn,
Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious evidence of malware. I do
see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on that I am now hesitant
to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different animal from most
computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall would be. I generally
avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or restore they give you, I
do not know.

Try following the Windows 95/98 directions, in this MS KB article =>
Control Panel Does Not Open:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=221153&sd=RMVP
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:zzSNe.30091$Rm3.8814@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:unc1W#epFHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:RuQNe.916$ZD4.104@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> > > news:o 09DunepFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > >
> > > > Can you open Windows Explorer? (Hold down the Windows key, and press
> the E
> > > key)
> > > >
> > > > Make a folder on her Desktop: right-click the Desktop, click New>
> Folder,
> > > and name
> > > > it HijackThis.
>
> Here is the log. I had to put drive back in the old computer to pull the
> product key for win98.
> Now it is working well enough for me to do this. Add erratic behavior to
> the list.
> hijackthis log
>
> Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
> Scan saved at 11:14:07 PM, on 8/20/05
> Platform: Windows 98 SE (Win9x 4.10.2222A)
> MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)
>
> Running processes:
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSGSRV32.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPREXE.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSTASK.EXE
> C:\COMPAQ\INTERNET\ISDBDC.EXE
> C:\PROGRAM FILES\COMMON FILES\AOL\ACS\ACSD.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\mmtask.tsk
> C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\TASKMON.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SYSTRAY.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\ptsnoop.exe
> C:\COMPAQ\CPQINET\CPQINET.EXE
> C:\CPQS\BWTOOLS\SCCENTER.EXE
> C:\MOUSE\SYSTEM\EM_EXEC.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\LVCOMS.EXE
> C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\IMAGESTUDIO\LOGITRAY.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\STIMON.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\RunDLL.exe
> C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
> MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE
> C:\PROGRAM FILES\WINDOWS MEDIA COMPONENTS\ENCODER\WMENCAGT.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WMIEXE.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SPOOL32.EXE
> C:\HIJACKTHIS\HIJACKTHIS.EXE
> C:\COMPAQ\CPQINET\CPQNPCSS.EXE
>
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL =
> http://desktop.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presari...
> sumer&LC=0409&c=1c00
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar =
> http://rd.companion.yahoo.com/slv/ycheck/as/*http://www.yahoo.com/search/ie.
> html
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page =
> http://rd.companion.yahoo.com/slv/ycheck/as/*http://www.yahoo.com
> R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar =
> http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
> &s=searchbar&LC=0409
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchURL,(Default) =
> http://rd.companion.yahoo.com/slv/ycheck/as/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?
> p=%s
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Window Title = Microsoft
> Internet Explorer provided by America Online
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet
> Settings,ProxyOverride = localhost
> F1 - win.ini: run=hpfsched
> O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} -
> C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADOBE\ACROBAT 5.0\READER\ACTIVEX\ACROIEHELPER.OCX
> O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} -
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSDXM.OCX
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ScanRegistry] c:\windows\scanregw.exe /autorun
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TaskMonitor] c:\windows\taskmon.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LoadPowerProfile] Rundll32.exe
> powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SystemTray] SysTray.Exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CountrySelection] pctptt.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PTSNOOP] ptsnoop.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CPQEASYACC] C:\Program Files\Compaq\Easy Access Button
> Support\cpqeadm.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EACLEAN] C:\Program Files\Compaq\Easy Access Button
> Support\eaclean.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CPQInet] c:\compaq\CPQInet\CpqInet.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [cpqns] c:\compaq\cpqinet\cpqnpcss.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Service Connection] c:\cpqs\bwtools\sccenter.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EM_EXEC] C:\MOUSE\SYSTEM\EM_EXEC.EXE
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LVComs] c:\windows\SYSTEM\LVComS.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechGalleryRepair] C:\Program
> Files\Logitech\ImageStudio\ISStart.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LogitechImageStudioTray] C:\Program
> Files\Logitech\ImageStudio\LogiTray.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StillImageMonitor] C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\STIMON.EXE
> O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [LoadPowerProfile] Rundll32.exe
> powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
> O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [SchedulingAgent] mstask.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [isdbdc] c:\compaq\internet\isdbdc.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\RunServices: [AolAcsDaemon1] "C:\PROGRAM FILES\COMMON
> FILES\AOL\ACS\ACSD.EXE"
> O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Taskbar Display Controls] RunDLL
> deskcp16.dll,QUICKRES_RUNDLLENTRY
> O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [LDM] C:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop
> Messenger\8876480\Program\BackWeb-8876480.exe
> O4 - Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft
> Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
> O4 - Startup: America Online 9.0 Tray Icon.lnk = C:\Program Files\America
> Online 9.0\aoltray.exe
> O4 - Startup: Logitech Desktop Messenger.lnk = C:\Program
> Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\LDMConf.exe
> O4 - Startup: Encoder Agent.lnk = C:\Program Files\Windows Media
> Components\Encoder\WMENCAGT.EXE
> O9 - Extra button: Related - {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} -
> C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
> O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Show &Related Links -
> {c95fe080-8f5d-11d2-a20b-00aa003c157a} - C:\WINDOWS\web\related.htm
> O9 - Extra button: Translate - {06FE5D05-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
> http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
> belfish&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
> O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: AV &Translate -
> {06FE5D05-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
> http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
> belfish&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
> O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {06FE5D02-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
> http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
> nksearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
> O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: &Find Pages Linking to this URL -
> {06FE5D02-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
> http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
> nksearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
> O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {06FE5D03-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
> http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
> stsearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
> O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Find Other Pages on this &Host -
> {06FE5D03-8F11-11d2-804F-00105A133818} -
> http://search.presario.net/scripts/redirectors/presario...
> stsearch&c=1c00&lc=0409 (file missing)
> O9 - Extra button: Real.com - {CD67F990-D8E9-11d2-98FE-00C0F0318AFE} -
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Shdocvw.dll
> O12 - Plugin for .spop: C:\PROGRA~1\INTERN~1\Plugins\NPDocBox.dll
> O14 - IERESET.INF: START_PAGE_URL=http://www.aol.com
>
>
>
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 11:50:45 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Try running the applet directly. For instance, if you want to adjust modem
settings, double-click c:\windows\system\modem.cpl, or inetcpl.cpl for
internet options or sysdm.cpl for system.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:BjNNe.880$ZD4.180@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>A friend dropped off computer (HP win98). The modem doesn't connect.
> I got a new modem but when I started computer to try and open device
> manager
> so
> I could uninstall the old modem, I discovered I can't get Control Panel to
> open. When I right click on my computer and click on Properties, nothing
> happens.
>
> Any clues???
>
> Thanks
>
>
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 12:10:22 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Lyn,
> Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious evidence of
malware. I do
> see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on that I am now
hesitant
> to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different animal from
most
> computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall would be. I
generally
> avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or restore they
give you, I
> do not know.
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 1:32:49 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

The most effective procedure would be to copy the data she wants to keep off
to a second device, wipe the drive and install from scratch. The simplest
way to copy the data off is usually to install the drive in a different
machine and copy whole folders (or even the whole disk) to another hard
drive. Then you can create CDs for her from the copied data, after you work
out what's important.

If the previous fix worked for a while then stopped, that sounds like a
virus, which makes the wipe option even more attractive.

Another option is to buy a new hard drive, install it as primary with the
old one as secondary and install Windows to the new drive. The old data is
then available from the old drive, which can also be used as a backup.
Repair shops will often do this as it can be cheaper than trying to recover
a broken system.

Re-installing a retail version of Windows won't affect data stored in
locations such as My Documents or in application folders, but it's possible
that some data such as e-mails will require special effort to get access to.
Most OEM version will work the same way. However, be careful that you
aren't using a special manufacturer's restore disk, as some of these wipe
the disk before re-instating the system, and you will lose everything.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:aJONe.38957$rp.7395@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>I just started an sfc and it is finding lots of files (arp.exe, ftp.exe,
> ipconfig.exe, ping.exe, route.exe, telenet.exe tracert.exe, winipcfg.exe -
> that's where I stopped figuring there are too many to list) that have been
> changed from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. What could have done that? The poor
> dear
> does have some data on this hard drive. The computer isn't worth much.
> Can
> I restore the OS without losing her data?
>
> I haven't worked with win98 much and for a long time at that.
>
> Thanks again!!!
>
>
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 2:26:27 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On this Compaq 7470, I had "Service Connection (BackWEB)" in "Control
Panel, Add/Remove Programs". I clicked that. Then, I ran one of the
SpyWare apps, which found many additional Registry and TIF entries to
remove of the BackWEB.

All is well here. I don't know whether it would be well with you.
Naturally, afterwards, you may not use the "Service Connection", which
never gave me much, anyway, but a big red "Q" in the Tray. You may
continue to go to the Compaq site and do your own downloads. You
possibly can even recover the BackWEB from that site or possibly from a
QuickRestore Selective Restore.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
| I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
|
| "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > Lyn,
| > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious evidence
of
| malware. I do
| > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on that I
am now
| hesitant
| > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different animal
from
| most
| > computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall would
be. I
| generally
| > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or restore
they
| give you, I
| > do not know.
|
|
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 7:01:19 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ea2xPxlpFHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> On this Compaq 7470, I had "Service Connection (BackWEB)" in "Control
> Panel, Add/Remove Programs". I clicked that. Then, I ran one of the
> SpyWare apps, which found many additional Registry and TIF entries to
> remove of the BackWEB.

Thanks PCR!!! That was a big help. I removed Service Connect just to be on
the safe side. But then, that leaves me wondering what the heck went wrong
with
this machine (Compaq 7588).
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 7:12:44 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Backweb is used by many OEM and also by a number of software companies, to update
their products. It is even used by at least one anti-virus app for updating. It
can *also* be used by spyware. In this case, it is used by Compaq's updating
mechanism. As PCR mentions, you can uninstall it from Add\Remove and then clean up
behind it with Ad-Aware. First press Ctrl+Alt+delete, and End Task on the backweb
app, then go to Control Panel> Add\Remove Programs and uninstall it. It may not be
listed as "BackWeb"....instead the entry may be something like Compaq or H-P
Software Updates, or Web Updates, or Service Connection, or similar.

Also, see here=> Foistware: BackWeb:
http://www.cexx.org/dlgli.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Lyn,
> > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious evidence of
> malware. I do
> > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on that I am now
> hesitant
> > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different animal from
> most
> > computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall would be. I
> generally
> > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or restore they
> give you, I
> > do not know.
>
>
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 7:54:32 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

You did say...
"I just started an sfc and it is finding lots of files (arp.exe,
ftp.exe,
ipconfig.exe, ping.exe, route.exe, telenet.exe tracert.exe,
winipcfg.exe -
that's where I stopped figuring there are too many to list) that have
been
changed from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. What could have done that?"

I have all of those but two (arp.exe & telenet.exe), & they all have the
lower date.. 4/23/99, which is a Win98SE date. That is the date on those
files in the Win98SE .cab's. I don't know why your dates would have ever
been higher. I guess you do have a later Compaq, judging from it's model
number. Also, I guess it could be something AOL had done. I'm thinking
it could be someone did an over-install of Windows to get you back to
the lower dates. So...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98
Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
......Quote...........
1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System
Tools, and then click System Information.
2. On the Tools menu, click Version Conflict Manager.
......EOQ..............

Does anything show up? If so, an over-install was done, & you could be
in DLL Hell. Here are other articles to look at, then...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98
Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
(184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the
newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the
files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be
lost.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98
List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
(188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource
Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the Windows
98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98
Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
(184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather information
about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to access
other tools that are included with Windows 98. This...


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:5a4Oe.30922$XM3.20626@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ea2xPxlpFHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > On this Compaq 7470, I had "Service Connection (BackWEB)" in
"Control
| > Panel, Add/Remove Programs". I clicked that. Then, I ran one of the
| > SpyWare apps, which found many additional Registry and TIF entries
to
| > remove of the BackWEB.
|
| Thanks PCR!!! That was a big help. I removed Service Connect just to
be on
| the safe side. But then, that leaves me wondering what the heck went
wrong
| with
| this machine (Compaq 7588).
|
|
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 8:13:17 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Perhaps continue a bit more in Add/Remove. Here are others I have done
to no apparent ill effect...

1. Compaq Automatic Updating for Windows
2. Compaq WEBISP
3. Compaq WEBREG
4. Compaq Wizard Host Online
5. Compaq NET Registration
6. Service Connection (BackWEB)

After that (& you may not have all of them), the ones I expect to drop
off your Startup Group would be...

C:\COMPAQ\INTERNET\ISDBDC.EXE
C:\COMPAQ\CPQINET\CPQINET.EXE
C:\CPQS\BWTOOLS\SCCENTER.EXE (probably already gone)
C:\COMPAQ\CPQINET\CPQNPCSS.EXE

However, I did choose to KEEP eight other Compaq items in there...

1. Compaq Desktop100 Screen Saver
2. Compaq Diagnostics for Windows
3. Compaq Hardware Discovery
4. Compaq IE Custom
5. Compaq IE5 Customization
6. Compaq OOBE Online
7. Compaq Quick Print
8. Compaq Quick Print 2-Up


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:5a4Oe.30922$XM3.20626@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ea2xPxlpFHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > On this Compaq 7470, I had "Service Connection (BackWEB)" in
"Control
| > Panel, Add/Remove Programs". I clicked that. Then, I ran one of the
| > SpyWare apps, which found many additional Registry and TIF entries
to
| > remove of the BackWEB.
|
| Thanks PCR!!! That was a big help. I removed Service Connect just to
be on
| the safe side. But then, that leaves me wondering what the heck went
wrong
| with
| this machine (Compaq 7588).
|
|
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 8:33:59 PM

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Now I see she also has...

C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE

........Quote.........
Hi,
http://www.google.com/search?q=backWeb-8876480.exe

Installed with the software for Logitech products.
<quote>
"backweb-8876480.exe" is installed with the software for Logitech
products. It checks for software upgrades from Logitech.
It's present under Software => Logitech Desktop Manager, where it can be
uninstalled.
</quote>

I would uninstall it.
MM
........EOQ...........

MM (Mostly Me) would uninstall that one too. If that's all it does, yea,
go ahead-- especially if it never did it, as Compaq's never really did
do!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:%23v5pSRopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Backweb is used by many OEM and also by a number of software
companies, to update
| their products. It is even used by at least one anti-virus app for
updating. It
| can *also* be used by spyware. In this case, it is used by Compaq's
updating
| mechanism. As PCR mentions, you can uninstall it from Add\Remove and
then clean up
| behind it with Ad-Aware. First press Ctrl+Alt+delete, and End Task on
the backweb
| app, then go to Control Panel> Add\Remove Programs and uninstall it.
It may not be
| listed as "BackWeb"....instead the entry may be something like Compaq
or H-P
| Software Updates, or Web Updates, or Service Connection, or similar.
|
| Also, see here=> Foistware: BackWeb:
| http://www.cexx.org/dlgli.htm
| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
| "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
| > I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
| >
| > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| > news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > > Lyn,
| > > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious evidence
of
| > malware. I do
| > > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on that I
am now
| > hesitant
| > > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different
animal from
| > most
| > > computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall
would be. I
| > generally
| > > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or restore
they
| > give you, I
| > > do not know.
| >
| >
|
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 2:22:58 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

STOP STOP STOP

Do NOT use the 'scan for altered files' check in SFC it doenst work

SFC finds 'different' files not 'wrong' files

SFC searches for files that are different from its internal database of file
numbers.
If you have ever installed any updates, new programs, visited windows
update,
changed any system settings (ie display as web page) there will be
hundreds/Thousands of altered files. These files are CORRECT.

SFC requires that after you EVER install any updates,
you update sfc's database if you are going to use sfc,
something that no instruction ever says, and no-one ever does.

If you change back those reproted files to the versions listed by SFC,
windows will enter .dll hell and stop working, requiring a new installation

SFC should only be used to 'extract one file from distribution disk'

--

Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.pandasoftware.com/ActiveScan/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/newsinfo/collateral....
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters

_
"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eUBykoopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> You did say...
> "I just started an sfc and it is finding lots of files (arp.exe,
> ftp.exe,
> ipconfig.exe, ping.exe, route.exe, telenet.exe tracert.exe,
> winipcfg.exe -
> that's where I stopped figuring there are too many to list) that have
> been
> changed from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. What could have done that?"
>
> I have all of those but two (arp.exe & telenet.exe), & they all have the
> lower date.. 4/23/99, which is a Win98SE date. That is the date on those
> files in the Win98SE .cab's. I don't know why your dates would have ever
> been higher. I guess you do have a later Compaq, judging from it's model
> number. Also, I guess it could be something AOL had done. I'm thinking
> it could be someone did an over-install of Windows to get you back to
> the lower dates. So...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98
> Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
> .....Quote...........
> 1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System
> Tools, and then click System Information.
> 2. On the Tools menu, click Version Conflict Manager.
> .....EOQ..............
>
> Does anything show up? If so, an over-install was done, & you could be
> in DLL Hell. Here are other articles to look at, then...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98
> Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
> (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the
> newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the
> files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be
> lost.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98
> List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
> (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
> Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource
> Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the Windows
> 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98
> Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
> (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
> Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather information
> about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to access
> other tools that are included with Windows 98. This...
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:5a4Oe.30922$XM3.20626@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:ea2xPxlpFHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | > On this Compaq 7470, I had "Service Connection (BackWEB)" in
> "Control
> | > Panel, Add/Remove Programs". I clicked that. Then, I ran one of the
> | > SpyWare apps, which found many additional Registry and TIF entries
> to
> | > remove of the BackWEB.
> |
> | Thanks PCR!!! That was a big help. I removed Service Connect just to
> be on
> | the safe side. But then, that leaves me wondering what the heck went
> wrong
> | with
> | this machine (Compaq 7588).
> |
> |
>
>
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 2:29:30 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Excuse me, reading, focused on another, hit send,
this reply does not belong to this thread, find 'sfc' while thinking (or
not thinking)
my bad
--
_
"AlmostBob" <anonymous1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:uo5aJgrpFHA.736@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> STOP STOP STOP
>
> Do NOT use the 'scan for altered files' check in SFC it doenst work
>
> SFC finds 'different' files not 'wrong' files
>
> SFC searches for files that are different from its internal database of
file
> numbers.
> If you have ever installed any updates, new programs, visited windows
> update,
> changed any system settings (ie display as web page) there will be
> hundreds/Thousands of altered files. These files are CORRECT.
>
> SFC requires that after you EVER install any updates,
> you update sfc's database if you are going to use sfc,
> something that no instruction ever says, and no-one ever does.
>
> If you change back those reproted files to the versions listed by SFC,
> windows will enter .dll hell and stop working, requiring a new
installation
>
> SFC should only be used to 'extract one file from distribution disk'
>
> --
>
> Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
> spybot http://security.kolla.de
> AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
> Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
> http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
> Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.pandasoftware.com/ActiveScan/
> Catalog of removal tools (1)
> http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
> Catalog of removal tools (2)
> http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/newsinfo/collateral....
> Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
> http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
> links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before
> use
> Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
>
> _
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:eUBykoopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > You did say...
> > "I just started an sfc and it is finding lots of files (arp.exe,
> > ftp.exe,
> > ipconfig.exe, ping.exe, route.exe, telenet.exe tracert.exe,
> > winipcfg.exe -
> > that's where I stopped figuring there are too many to list) that have
> > been
> > changed from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. What could have done that?"
> >
> > I have all of those but two (arp.exe & telenet.exe), & they all have the
> > lower date.. 4/23/99, which is a Win98SE date. That is the date on those
> > files in the Win98SE .cab's. I don't know why your dates would have ever
> > been higher. I guess you do have a later Compaq, judging from it's model
> > number. Also, I guess it could be something AOL had done. I'm thinking
> > it could be someone did an over-install of Windows to get you back to
> > the lower dates. So...
> >
> >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98
> > Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
> > .....Quote...........
> > 1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System
> > Tools, and then click System Information.
> > 2. On the Tools menu, click Version Conflict Manager.
> > .....EOQ..............
> >
> > Does anything show up? If so, an over-install was done, & you could be
> > in DLL Hell. Here are other articles to look at, then...
> >
> >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98
> > Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
> > (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the
> > newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the
> > files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be
> > lost.
> >
> >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98
> > List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
> > (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
> > Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource
> > Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the Windows
> > 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are...
> >
> >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98
> > Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
> > (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
> > Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather information
> > about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to access
> > other tools that are included with Windows 98. This...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> > "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:5a4Oe.30922$XM3.20626@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > |
> > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > | news:ea2xPxlpFHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > | > On this Compaq 7470, I had "Service Connection (BackWEB)" in
> > "Control
> > | > Panel, Add/Remove Programs". I clicked that. Then, I ran one of the
> > | > SpyWare apps, which found many additional Registry and TIF entries
> > to
> > | > remove of the BackWEB.
> > |
> > | Thanks PCR!!! That was a big help. I removed Service Connect just to
> > be on
> > | the safe side. But then, that leaves me wondering what the heck went
> > wrong
> > | with
> > | this machine (Compaq 7588).
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 3:05:14 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Actually, that's the *only* backweb entry she has. I neglected to look back at the
post with the log in it, when you replied about the Compaq-related backweb apps, and
replied based on your mention of those apps. It is in fact the Logitech updater
that is referenced in the HJT log. We *both* neglected to look back at the log
before replying.
Dunno what got into me, PCR, relying on accuracy in your replies! ;-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23Oy$n%23opFHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Now I see she also has...
>
> C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
> MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE
>
> .......Quote.........
> Hi,
> http://www.google.com/search?q=backWeb-8876480.exe
>
> Installed with the software for Logitech products.
> <quote>
> "backweb-8876480.exe" is installed with the software for Logitech
> products. It checks for software upgrades from Logitech.
> It's present under Software => Logitech Desktop Manager, where it can be
> uninstalled.
> </quote>
>
> I would uninstall it.
> MM
> .......EOQ...........
>
> MM (Mostly Me) would uninstall that one too. If that's all it does, yea,
> go ahead-- especially if it never did it, as Compaq's never really did
> do!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%23v5pSRopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | Backweb is used by many OEM and also by a number of software
> companies, to update
> | their products. It is even used by at least one anti-virus app for
> updating. It
> | can *also* be used by spyware. In this case, it is used by Compaq's
> updating
> | mechanism. As PCR mentions, you can uninstall it from Add\Remove and
> then clean up
> | behind it with Ad-Aware. First press Ctrl+Alt+delete, and End Task on
> the backweb
> | app, then go to Control Panel> Add\Remove Programs and uninstall it.
> It may not be
> | listed as "BackWeb"....instead the entry may be something like Compaq
> or H-P
> | Software Updates, or Web Updates, or Service Connection, or similar.
> |
> | Also, see here=> Foistware: BackWeb:
> | http://www.cexx.org/dlgli.htm
> | --
> | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |
> |
> | "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> | news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> | > I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
> | >
> | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | > news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > > Lyn,
> | > > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious evidence
> of
> | > malware. I do
> | > > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on that I
> am now
> | > hesitant
> | > > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different
> animal from
> | > most
> | > > computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall
> would be. I
> | > generally
> | > > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or restore
> they
> | > give you, I
> | > > do not know.
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 3:40:59 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Thanks to all. I have the puter working really well and frankly, I don't
want to
look for any more problems. It took much more time than I figured but I
guess
I learned a lot - thanks to all the good folk in this ng.
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 3:50:51 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

It almost always takes more time than you planned ;-)
Glad it is working for her now....thanks for the feedback.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:gNbOe.21104$xW.17884@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Thanks to all. I have the puter working really well and frankly, I don't
> want to
> look for any more problems. It took much more time than I figured but I
> guess
> I learned a lot - thanks to all the good folk in this ng.
>
>
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 7:07:01 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Phew! I almost jumped out of my skin, AlmostBob! OK, then! You are right
that SFC needs a priming to accept all current changes. After that, run
it after doing an update of your own, & run it periodically to see
whether things are changing inexplicably, (although some things normally
do).

Well, in Lyn's case (unless she has transposed the dates), it is saying
files went the other way-- from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. So...

(a) It must have been primed once to get the higher dates.
(b) Something has reverted her to the earlier dates.

Here is what I usually post about it...
"START button, Run, SFC".

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept all
current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria", may need
adjusting. You may look through the log, C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to see
what it's done. Also, there is a certain amount of confusion involved
with it, under the best of circumstances. For one thing, certain files
will always seem to have changed. For another, it does not well handle
version numbers greater than 11 characters.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use & problems


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"AlmostBob" <anonymous1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:o 98ZzjrpFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Excuse me, reading, focused on another, hit send,
| this reply does not belong to this thread, find 'sfc' while thinking
(or
| not thinking)
| my bad
| --
| _
| "AlmostBob" <anonymous1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:uo5aJgrpFHA.736@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > STOP STOP STOP
| >
| > Do NOT use the 'scan for altered files' check in SFC it doenst work
| >
| > SFC finds 'different' files not 'wrong' files
| >
| > SFC searches for files that are different from its internal database
of
| file
| > numbers.
| > If you have ever installed any updates, new programs, visited
windows
| > update,
| > changed any system settings (ie display as web page) there will be
| > hundreds/Thousands of altered files. These files are CORRECT.
| >
| > SFC requires that after you EVER install any updates,
| > you update sfc's database if you are going to use sfc,
| > something that no instruction ever says, and no-one ever does.
| >
| > If you change back those reproted files to the versions listed by
SFC,
| > windows will enter .dll hell and stop working, requiring a new
| installation
| >
| > SFC should only be used to 'extract one file from distribution disk'
| >
| > --
| >
| > Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
| > spybot http://security.kolla.de
| > AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
| > Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
| > http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
| > Panda online AntiVirus scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/ActiveScan/
| > Catalog of removal tools (1)
| > http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
| > Catalog of removal tools (2)
| >
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/newsinfo/collateral....
| > Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
| > http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
| > links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages
before
| > use
| > Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
| >
| > _
| > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > news:eUBykoopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > > You did say...
| > > "I just started an sfc and it is finding lots of files (arp.exe,
| > > ftp.exe,
| > > ipconfig.exe, ping.exe, route.exe, telenet.exe tracert.exe,
| > > winipcfg.exe -
| > > that's where I stopped figuring there are too many to list) that
have
| > > been
| > > changed from 1/10/03 to 4/23/99. What could have done that?"
| > >
| > > I have all of those but two (arp.exe & telenet.exe), & they all
have the
| > > lower date.. 4/23/99, which is a Win98SE date. That is the date on
those
| > > files in the Win98SE .cab's. I don't know why your dates would
have ever
| > > been higher. I guess you do have a later Compaq, judging from it's
model
| > > number. Also, I guess it could be something AOL had done. I'm
thinking
| > > it could be someone did an over-install of Windows to get you back
to
| > > the lower dates. So...
| > >
| > >
|
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98
| > > Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
| > > .....Quote...........
| > > 1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to
System
| > > Tools, and then click System Information.
| > > 2. On the Tools menu, click Version Conflict Manager.
| > > .....EOQ..............
| > >
| > > Does anything show up? If so, an over-install was done, & you
could be
| > > in DLL Hell. Here are other articles to look at, then...
| > >
| > >
|
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98
| > > Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
| > > (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to
restore the
| > > newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup,
the
| > > files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may
be
| > > lost.
| > >
| > >
|
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98
| > > List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
| > > (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
| > > Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98
Resource
| > > Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the
Windows
| > > 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are...
| > >
| > >
|
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98
| > > Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
| > > (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
| > > Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather
information
| > > about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to
access
| > > other tools that are included with Windows 98. This...
| > >
| > >
| > > --
| > > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > > should things get worse after this,
| > > PCR
| > > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > > "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > > news:5a4Oe.30922$XM3.20626@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
| > > |
| > > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > > | news:ea2xPxlpFHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > > | > On this Compaq 7470, I had "Service Connection (BackWEB)" in
| > > "Control
| > > | > Panel, Add/Remove Programs". I clicked that. Then, I ran one
of the
| > > | > SpyWare apps, which found many additional Registry and TIF
entries
| > > to
| > > | > remove of the BackWEB.
| > > |
| > > | Thanks PCR!!! That was a big help. I removed Service Connect
just to
| > > be on
| > > | the safe side. But then, that leaves me wondering what the heck
went
| > > wrong
| > > | with
| > > | this machine (Compaq 7588).
| > > |
| > > |
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 7:10:16 PM

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Well, OK, I GUESS, so long as it is working really well now. You are
welcome.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:gNbOe.21104$xW.17884@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
| Thanks to all. I have the puter working really well and frankly, I
don't
| want to
| look for any more problems. It took much more time than I figured but
I
| guess
| I learned a lot - thanks to all the good folk in this ng.
|
|
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 7:19:51 PM

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No, she did have the Compaq Service Connection...
C:\CPQS\BWTOOLS\SCCENTER.EXE... which you did rightly agree was also a
BackWEB. Both are reportedly gone now. I think a few more should be
removed, but things are running well for her now, anyhow. Could be best
to rest the case. Anyhow, she's run off!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:u$1UWZspFHA.3408@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| Actually, that's the *only* backweb entry she has. I neglected to
look back at the
| post with the log in it, when you replied about the Compaq-related
backweb apps, and
| replied based on your mention of those apps. It is in fact the
Logitech updater
| that is referenced in the HJT log. We *both* neglected to look back
at the log
| before replying.
| Dunno what got into me, PCR, relying on accuracy in your replies! ;-)
| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23Oy$n%23opFHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > Now I see she also has...
| >
| > C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
| > MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE
| >
| > .......Quote.........
| > Hi,
| > http://www.google.com/search?q=backWeb-8876480.exe
| >
| > Installed with the software for Logitech products.
| > <quote>
| > "backweb-8876480.exe" is installed with the software for Logitech
| > products. It checks for software upgrades from Logitech.
| > It's present under Software => Logitech Desktop Manager, where it
can be
| > uninstalled.
| > </quote>
| >
| > I would uninstall it.
| > MM
| > .......EOQ...........
| >
| > MM (Mostly Me) would uninstall that one too. If that's all it does,
yea,
| > go ahead-- especially if it never did it, as Compaq's never really
did
| > do!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| > news:%23v5pSRopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > | Backweb is used by many OEM and also by a number of software
| > companies, to update
| > | their products. It is even used by at least one anti-virus app
for
| > updating. It
| > | can *also* be used by spyware. In this case, it is used by
Compaq's
| > updating
| > | mechanism. As PCR mentions, you can uninstall it from Add\Remove
and
| > then clean up
| > | behind it with Ad-Aware. First press Ctrl+Alt+delete, and End
Task on
| > the backweb
| > | app, then go to Control Panel> Add\Remove Programs and uninstall
it.
| > It may not be
| > | listed as "BackWeb"....instead the entry may be something like
Compaq
| > or H-P
| > | Software Updates, or Web Updates, or Service Connection, or
similar.
| > |
| > | Also, see here=> Foistware: BackWeb:
| > | http://www.cexx.org/dlgli.htm
| > | --
| > | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > |
| > |
| > | "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > | news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
| > | > I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
| > | >
| > | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | > > Lyn,
| > | > > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious
evidence
| > of
| > | > malware. I do
| > | > > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on
that I
| > am now
| > | > hesitant
| > | > > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different
| > animal from
| > | > most
| > | > > computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall
| > would be. I
| > | > generally
| > | > > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or
restore
| > they
| > | > give you, I
| > | > > do not know.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 1:43:37 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Oops...that's right. Dunno what got into me, relying on accuracy in my replies!
%-p

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uAMc550pFHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> No, she did have the Compaq Service Connection...
> C:\CPQS\BWTOOLS\SCCENTER.EXE... which you did rightly agree was also a
> BackWEB. Both are reportedly gone now. I think a few more should be
> removed, but things are running well for her now, anyhow. Could be best
> to rest the case. Anyhow, she's run off!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:u$1UWZspFHA.3408@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | Actually, that's the *only* backweb entry she has. I neglected to
> look back at the
> | post with the log in it, when you replied about the Compaq-related
> backweb apps, and
> | replied based on your mention of those apps. It is in fact the
> Logitech updater
> | that is referenced in the HJT log. We *both* neglected to look back
> at the log
> | before replying.
> | Dunno what got into me, PCR, relying on accuracy in your replies! ;-)
> | --
> | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:%23Oy$n%23opFHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > Now I see she also has...
> | >
> | > C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
> | > MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE
> | >
> | > .......Quote.........
> | > Hi,
> | > http://www.google.com/search?q=backWeb-8876480.exe
> | >
> | > Installed with the software for Logitech products.
> | > <quote>
> | > "backweb-8876480.exe" is installed with the software for Logitech
> | > products. It checks for software upgrades from Logitech.
> | > It's present under Software => Logitech Desktop Manager, where it
> can be
> | > uninstalled.
> | > </quote>
> | >
> | > I would uninstall it.
> | > MM
> | > .......EOQ...........
> | >
> | > MM (Mostly Me) would uninstall that one too. If that's all it does,
> yea,
> | > go ahead-- especially if it never did it, as Compaq's never really
> did
> | > do!
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | > news:%23v5pSRopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | > | Backweb is used by many OEM and also by a number of software
> | > companies, to update
> | > | their products. It is even used by at least one anti-virus app
> for
> | > updating. It
> | > | can *also* be used by spyware. In this case, it is used by
> Compaq's
> | > updating
> | > | mechanism. As PCR mentions, you can uninstall it from Add\Remove
> and
> | > then clean up
> | > | behind it with Ad-Aware. First press Ctrl+Alt+delete, and End
> Task on
> | > the backweb
> | > | app, then go to Control Panel> Add\Remove Programs and uninstall
> it.
> | > It may not be
> | > | listed as "BackWeb"....instead the entry may be something like
> Compaq
> | > or H-P
> | > | Software Updates, or Web Updates, or Service Connection, or
> similar.
> | > |
> | > | Also, see here=> Foistware: BackWeb:
> | > | http://www.cexx.org/dlgli.htm
> | > | --
> | > | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> | > | > I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
> | > | >
> | > | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | > | > news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > | > > Lyn,
> | > | > > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious
> evidence
> | > of
> | > | > malware. I do
> | > | > > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based on
> that I
> | > am now
> | > | > hesitant
> | > | > > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a different
> | > animal from
> | > | > most
> | > | > > computers, and I don't know how successful a format/reinstall
> | > would be. I
> | > | > generally
> | > | > > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or
> restore
> | > they
> | > | > give you, I
> | > | > > do not know.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 8:00:56 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

You are still accurate enough by me. It's Terhune who's really losing
his wits! OK, then. And maybe Brian A. OK, bye.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uOiXEQ4pFHA.3004@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| Oops...that's right. Dunno what got into me, relying on accuracy in
my replies!
| %-p
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uAMc550pFHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > No, she did have the Compaq Service Connection...
| > C:\CPQS\BWTOOLS\SCCENTER.EXE... which you did rightly agree was also
a
| > BackWEB. Both are reportedly gone now. I think a few more should be
| > removed, but things are running well for her now, anyhow. Could be
best
| > to rest the case. Anyhow, she's run off!
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| > news:u$1UWZspFHA.3408@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > | Actually, that's the *only* backweb entry she has. I neglected to
| > look back at the
| > | post with the log in it, when you replied about the Compaq-related
| > backweb apps, and
| > | replied based on your mention of those apps. It is in fact the
| > Logitech updater
| > | that is referenced in the HJT log. We *both* neglected to look
back
| > at the log
| > | before replying.
| > | Dunno what got into me, PCR, relying on accuracy in your replies!
;-)
| > | --
| > | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > |
| > |
| > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | news:%23Oy$n%23opFHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | > Now I see she also has...
| > | >
| > | > C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
| > | > MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE
| > | >
| > | > .......Quote.........
| > | > Hi,
| > | > http://www.google.com/search?q=backWeb-8876480.exe
| > | >
| > | > Installed with the software for Logitech products.
| > | > <quote>
| > | > "backweb-8876480.exe" is installed with the software for
Logitech
| > | > products. It checks for software upgrades from Logitech.
| > | > It's present under Software => Logitech Desktop Manager, where
it
| > can be
| > | > uninstalled.
| > | > </quote>
| > | >
| > | > I would uninstall it.
| > | > MM
| > | > .......EOQ...........
| > | >
| > | > MM (Mostly Me) would uninstall that one too. If that's all it
does,
| > yea,
| > | > go ahead-- especially if it never did it, as Compaq's never
really
| > did
| > | > do!
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:%23v5pSRopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > | > | Backweb is used by many OEM and also by a number of software
| > | > companies, to update
| > | > | their products. It is even used by at least one anti-virus
app
| > for
| > | > updating. It
| > | > | can *also* be used by spyware. In this case, it is used by
| > Compaq's
| > | > updating
| > | > | mechanism. As PCR mentions, you can uninstall it from
Add\Remove
| > and
| > | > then clean up
| > | > | behind it with Ad-Aware. First press Ctrl+Alt+delete, and End
| > Task on
| > | > the backweb
| > | > | app, then go to Control Panel> Add\Remove Programs and
uninstall
| > it.
| > | > It may not be
| > | > | listed as "BackWeb"....instead the entry may be something like
| > Compaq
| > | > or H-P
| > | > | Software Updates, or Web Updates, or Service Connection, or
| > similar.
| > | > |
| > | > | Also, see here=> Foistware: BackWeb:
| > | > | http://www.cexx.org/dlgli.htm
| > | > | --
| > | > | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | > | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > | > | news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
| > | > | > I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > > Lyn,
| > | > | > > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious
| > evidence
| > | > of
| > | > | > malware. I do
| > | > | > > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based
on
| > that I
| > | > am now
| > | > | > hesitant
| > | > | > > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a
different
| > | > animal from
| > | > | > most
| > | > | > > computers, and I don't know how successful a
format/reinstall
| > | > would be. I
| > | > | > generally
| > | > | > > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or
| > restore
| > | > they
| > | > | > give you, I
| > | > | > > do not know.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 8:00:57 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

At least I still have plenty of wits to lose, :-p

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uopWj1BqFHA.3204@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> You are still accurate enough by me. It's Terhune who's really losing
> his wits! OK, then. And maybe Brian A. OK, bye.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:uOiXEQ4pFHA.3004@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | Oops...that's right. Dunno what got into me, relying on accuracy in
> my replies!
> | %-p
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:uAMc550pFHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > No, she did have the Compaq Service Connection...
> | > C:\CPQS\BWTOOLS\SCCENTER.EXE... which you did rightly agree was also
> a
> | > BackWEB. Both are reportedly gone now. I think a few more should be
> | > removed, but things are running well for her now, anyhow. Could be
> best
> | > to rest the case. Anyhow, she's run off!
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | > news:u$1UWZspFHA.3408@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | > | Actually, that's the *only* backweb entry she has. I neglected to
> | > look back at the
> | > | post with the log in it, when you replied about the Compaq-related
> | > backweb apps, and
> | > | replied based on your mention of those apps. It is in fact the
> | > Logitech updater
> | > | that is referenced in the HJT log. We *both* neglected to look
> back
> | > at the log
> | > | before replying.
> | > | Dunno what got into me, PCR, relying on accuracy in your replies!
> ;-)
> | > | --
> | > | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:%23Oy$n%23opFHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > | > Now I see she also has...
> | > | >
> | > | > C:\PROGRAM FILES\LOGITECH\DESKTOP
> | > | > MESSENGER\8876480\PROGRAM\BACKWEB-8876480.EXE
> | > | >
> | > | > .......Quote.........
> | > | > Hi,
> | > | > http://www.google.com/search?q=backWeb-8876480.exe
> | > | >
> | > | > Installed with the software for Logitech products.
> | > | > <quote>
> | > | > "backweb-8876480.exe" is installed with the software for
> Logitech
> | > | > products. It checks for software upgrades from Logitech.
> | > | > It's present under Software => Logitech Desktop Manager, where
> it
> | > can be
> | > | > uninstalled.
> | > | > </quote>
> | > | >
> | > | > I would uninstall it.
> | > | > MM
> | > | > .......EOQ...........
> | > | >
> | > | > MM (Mostly Me) would uninstall that one too. If that's all it
> does,
> | > yea,
> | > | > go ahead-- especially if it never did it, as Compaq's never
> really
> | > did
> | > | > do!
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > | > should things get worse after this,
> | > | > PCR
> | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | > | > news:%23v5pSRopFHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | Backweb is used by many OEM and also by a number of software
> | > | > companies, to update
> | > | > | their products. It is even used by at least one anti-virus
> app
> | > for
> | > | > updating. It
> | > | > | can *also* be used by spyware. In this case, it is used by
> | > Compaq's
> | > | > updating
> | > | > | mechanism. As PCR mentions, you can uninstall it from
> Add\Remove
> | > and
> | > | > then clean up
> | > | > | behind it with Ad-Aware. First press Ctrl+Alt+delete, and End
> | > Task on
> | > | > the backweb
> | > | > | app, then go to Control Panel> Add\Remove Programs and
> uninstall
> | > it.
> | > | > It may not be
> | > | > | listed as "BackWeb"....instead the entry may be something like
> | > Compaq
> | > | > or H-P
> | > | > | Software Updates, or Web Updates, or Service Connection, or
> | > similar.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Also, see here=> Foistware: BackWeb:
> | > | > | http://www.cexx.org/dlgli.htm
> | > | > | --
> | > | > | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > | > | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Lyn" <lyn777@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:R8_Ne.18927$xW.8621@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> | > | > | > I noticed Backweb. Isn't that a bad guy?!
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:#K$2BlgpFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > > Lyn,
> | > | > | > > Giving that HJT log a quick look, I don't see any obvious
> | > evidence
> | > | > of
> | > | > | > malware. I do
> | > | > | > > see that the computer in question is a Compaq, and based
> on
> | > that I
> | > | > am now
> | > | > | > hesitant
> | > | > | > > to recommend a format and reinstall. Compaqs are a
> different
> | > | > animal from
> | > | > | > most
> | > | > | > > computers, and I don't know how successful a
> format/reinstall
> | > | > would be. I
> | > | > | > generally
> | > | > | > > avoid working on Compaqs, and what method of reinstall or
> | > restore
> | > | > they
> | > | > | > give you, I
> | > | > | > > do not know.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 9:27:39 PM

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I never had any to lose.

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375




"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> You are still accurate enough by me. It's Terhune who's really losing
> his wits! OK, then. And maybe Brian A. OK, bye.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 9:27:40 PM

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OK, so that makes me "lossy" and you "lossless"?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
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> I never had any to lose.
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:uopWj1BqFHA.3204@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> You are still accurate enough by me. It's Terhune who's really losing
>> his wits! OK, then. And maybe Brian A. OK, bye.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>>
>
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 11:59:12 PM

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Sufferin' suffixtash!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
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| OK, so that makes me "lossy" and you "lossless"?
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
| "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| news:%23PJvcHDqFHA.564@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > I never had any to lose.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| > Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
| >
| > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > news:uopWj1BqFHA.3204@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| >> You are still accurate enough by me. It's Terhune who's really
losing
| >> his wits! OK, then. And maybe Brian A. OK, bye.
| >>
| >>
| >> --
| >> Thanks or Good Luck,
| >> There may be humor in this post, and,
| >> Naturally, you will not sue,
| >> should things get worse after this,
| >> PCR
| >>
| >
|
|
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 8:25:38 PM

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<G>

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375




"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uEu1faDqFHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> OK, so that makes me "lossy" and you "lossless"?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 9:37:51 PM

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I think you did have ONE wit ONCE, Brian A! Don't make a liar of me!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:%23PJvcHDqFHA.564@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| I never had any to lose.
|
| --
|
| Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://basconotw.mvps.org/
|
| Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
|
|
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uopWj1BqFHA.3204@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > You are still accurate enough by me. It's Terhune who's really
losing
| > his wits! OK, then. And maybe Brian A. OK, bye.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| >
|
!