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As dadiOH says, what are you going to use as a source for those files when
you run SFC? Where do you expect to copy the replacement files from if you
don't have the files on CD?
A computer, *especially* a Compaq, cannot long survive without its
installation files, whether they're Windows or drivers installation files.
If you don't have them, and you can't find copies, you're SOL. Particularly
for this machine, I'd say that any further time or expense is warrantless.
The HDD is trash. You might be able to use certain tools to directly image
the existing structure to a new HDD, and then try to repair it, get it to
boot, etc., but I give that about a 1% chance of success (and there's the
cost of a new HDD to add to the accounts now.) That's *before* you even get
to the point of trying to use SFC or whatever to rebuild it. Without the
installation files, I give that goal about .0001% chance of success, and
only after days of time wasted on your part.
Tell your friend, on my behalf, that your did your best, <s>. Go buy a new
machine. The cheapest Dell is going to be 100 times better than that Compaq.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
"Andre" <~remove~azavaglia@gfrpharma.com> wrote in message
news:%23VQfJ$GqFHA.3084@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Believe me, reinstalling would have been my first choice, but you're
> missing
> the key point tho, I cannot reinstall without proper drivers.. which are
> no
> longer available
(according to compaq) if you know how this is
> possible,
> I'm more then open to the idea. Are there such thing generic drivers for
> older systems? .. Don't get me wrong here, I really appreciate any
> response
> I get, i'm just not seeing how your response can work in the given
> situation. The drivers are installed on the system with the current
> version
> of windows, running SFC should replace any system critical files (should
> it
> not?) if they're altered or cannot find them.
>
> for the moment, the only valid solution that i can see is to attempt to
> restore as best as possible, (at least get windows to boot up) image
> (norton
> ghost) the install .. then place the image on a new hard drive.. (drivers
> intact)
>
> alternatively, if i can't to that, I think the only option is to tell my
> friend to scrap the computer. I'd like to say I put an honest effort into
> it
> tho before telling him that.
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:e44q6rFqFHA.544@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> If the hard drive is bad, it's bad. No use going any further without
>> replacing it. If the BIOS is too old to support any hard drive you can
> find
>> these days, then it's too old to bother with. Otherwise, a 5400 RPM drive
> of
>> something less than 80 GB may work just fine.
>>
>> I think you're fooling yourself if you think this system can be
> "recovered".
>> I seriously suspect that your only option is to replace the HDD and
>> reinstall (restore) from scratch.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "Andre" <~remove~azavaglia@gfrpharma.com> wrote in message
>> news:OwSdPHFqFHA.2416@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > oh, i thought it was something i could do in dos :| ...
>> >
>> > if i can get it to at least a bootable mode .. the rest should be ok..
> I
>> > hope
>> >
>> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:e%23plxMEqFHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> 1. Sounds to me like the HDD is FUBAR.
>> >> 2. Yes, Win98 has SFC, but you can't run SFC until you get into
> Windows.
>> >> Regardless, I don't see what good it would do.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gary S. Terhune
>> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >>
>> >> "Andre" <~remove~azavaglia@gfrpharma.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:%236yrm2DqFHA.3744@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Part of my issue with that, this is an antique compaq 5526 (kinda
> looks
>> >> > like
>> >> > an emachine all in one)
>> >> > There are no drivers available, and I can't seem to access the
> CD-rom..
>> > If
>> >> > I
>> >> > can access the cdrom i think i can get away with a SFC, but i don't
>> > recall
>> >> > if win98 has that option or was that only available in 2k+
>> >> >
>> >> > on the bootdisk scan, it appears to have frozen a on the same block,
>> > it's
>> >> > been about 20 minutes and it hasn't changed, I'm going to leave it
> over
>> >> > night I think (as i'm out of here in a few minutes) and see if that
>> > makes
>> >> > a
>> >> > difference.. maybe it just needs some alone time
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> >> > news:eF7lfrDqFHA.2588@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> OK.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In any case, from what I read of your previous posts, you may be
>> > missing
>> >> >> substantial portions of the Windows system and you may have to
>> > reinstall.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Gary S. Terhune
>> >> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Andre" <~remove~azavaglia@gfrpharma.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:uA2yLkDqFHA.1040@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >I was unable to run it without typing win from dos prompt because
>> > there
>> >> > was
>> >> >> > no himem installed, so i've opted to run it from a boot disk to
> see
>> >> >> > what
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > result is..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:e95bA$CqFHA.3204@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> Try running scandisk *before* starting WIN. You need to deal
>> >> >> >> with
>> > the
>> >> >> >> possibly FUBAR HDD before you bother to continue.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Gary S. Terhune
>> >> >> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Andre" <~remove~azavaglia@gfrpharma.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:%23Q$4TuCqFHA.272@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > update: ok, i've let the scandisk run twice after typing "win"
> to
>> >> >> >> > try
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > start windows.. and it freezes at 70% both times doing the
>> >> >> >> > surface
>> >> >> >> > scan....
>> >> >> >> > it did find and repair two bad sectors in the first scan which
>> > were
>> >> > not
>> >> >> >> > found in the second. but both scans froze at the same spot :|
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > thoughts?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Andre" <~remove~azavaglia@gfrpharma.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:Otj2TcCqFHA.2588@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> ok, thanks for the prompt reply guys, why would the system
> boot
>> > to
>> >> > dos
>> >> >> >> > then?
>> >> >> >> >> do i just type win to get windows to start?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> when i type win, it tells me there may be bad sectors and
> starts
>> > a
>> >> >> >> >> scan
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:uvIj%23XCqFHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> > Neither file is required by Windows.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > What prompt is the computer booting to? Have you tried to
> get
>> > it
>> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > boot
>> >> >> >> >> > into Windows?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
>> >> >> >> >> > Tips:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
>> >> >> >> >> > Knowledge Base Info:
>> >> >> >> >> >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "Andre" <~remove~azavaglia@gfrpharma.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> > news:%23YWPyOCqFHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> > > I'm looking at a friends computer and the autoexec.bat
>> >> >> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > config.sys
>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> > > been deleted, as a matter of fact the complete system
> files
>> >> >> >> >> > > were
>> >> >> >> >> deleted.
>> >> >> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> >> >> > > was able to restore the system by doing a "sys a:" from a
>> > boot
>> >> >> > disk,
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> >> >> > > autoexec and config.sys are still missing, it's been so
> many
>> >> > years
>> >> >> > ..
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> >> > > dont
>> >> >> >> >> > > remember much about them. needless to say the computer
> boots
>> > to
>> >> > a
>> >> >> >> >> prompt,
>> >> >> >> >> > > but not windows 98
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > Also, I cannot do a repair from cd because I cannot
>> >> >> >> >> > > access
>> > the
>> >> >> > cdrom.
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> > > i'm not sure where the cdrom drive would be called to put
> it
>> > on
>> >> >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> >> > boot
>> >> >> >> >> > > disk
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > is there's a standard default entry for these two files
> for
>> >> >> >> >> > > a
>> >> >> >> >> > > win98
>> >> >> >> >> > > system?
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