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Anonymous
August 24, 2005 4:13:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Computer froze, upon restart it hangs and will only start in Safe Mode. I
used troubleshooting article 188867 and tried selective startup modes,
protected-mode driverproblems, disabling PCI bus IRQ steering, disabling
devices (which disabled my PS/2 mouse and now I can't re-enable it in Safe
mode), auto skip driver, and check for damaged static virtual device driver.
I did step by step confirmation and it quit after doing vswp.vxd. I checked
Bootlog and there were no failures except for font drivers. It stopped after
[00165F0F] Starting Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F0F] Started Unknown
(HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F10] Enumerating Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O),
[00165F10] Enumerated Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O). So, I now can only go in
safe mode with no mouse, CD drive, printer, nor internet. Where do I go from
here?

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Anonymous
August 24, 2005 4:28:05 PM

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A little more info, if it helps. Nothing fancy on the machine, has been used
for years. Changed nothing recently. Was typing an email when it froze,
hadn't even tried to send.

"dave98042" wrote:

> Computer froze, upon restart it hangs and will only start in Safe Mode. I
> used troubleshooting article 188867 and tried selective startup modes,
> protected-mode driverproblems, disabling PCI bus IRQ steering, disabling
> devices (which disabled my PS/2 mouse and now I can't re-enable it in Safe
> mode), auto skip driver, and check for damaged static virtual device driver.
> I did step by step confirmation and it quit after doing vswp.vxd. I checked
> Bootlog and there were no failures except for font drivers. It stopped after
> [00165F0F] Starting Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F0F] Started Unknown
> (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F10] Enumerating Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O),
> [00165F10] Enumerated Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O). So, I now can only go in
> safe mode with no mouse, CD drive, printer, nor internet. Where do I go from
> here?
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 7:52:47 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

I find that file is either for Yamaha Midi Synthesizer or a NIC.
If you are using either make sure you have the proper, better yet get updated
files from the manufacturers site.
In Safe Mode > Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs, if possible uninstall and
apps/entries listed for either of the above.
In Device Manager remove any/all devices listed Network Adapters and Sound,
Video and Game Controllers.
Close out and reboot.

If you get as far as devices being redetected, reinstall the drivers per the
manufacturers suggestion.

If you still have issues:
Read “Clean Boot -- What it is and why you need it” by MS MVP Gary Terhune
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375




"dave98042" <dave98042@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5C187001-CF3A-4253-A7F0-2FC32C620D95@microsoft.com...
> Computer froze, upon restart it hangs and will only start in Safe Mode. I
> used troubleshooting article 188867 and tried selective startup modes,
> protected-mode driverproblems, disabling PCI bus IRQ steering, disabling
> devices (which disabled my PS/2 mouse and now I can't re-enable it in Safe
> mode), auto skip driver, and check for damaged static virtual device driver.
> I did step by step confirmation and it quit after doing vswp.vxd. I checked
> Bootlog and there were no failures except for font drivers. It stopped after
> [00165F0F] Starting Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F0F] Started Unknown
> (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F10] Enumerating Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O),
> [00165F10] Enumerated Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O). So, I now can only go in
> safe mode with no mouse, CD drive, printer, nor internet. Where do I go from
> here?
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Anonymous
August 24, 2005 7:52:48 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Thank you for the helpful sites on asking questions and writing queries.
Thank you also for the info.
I'm not using any synthesizers or AV equipment. The computer is just a
standard six year old Dell with no speakers, etc. The only add on was a game
board (I'll have to look up the kind) that was added about 3 years ago.
I did disable all devices listed Network Adapters and Sound, Video and Game
Controllers, rebooted and it still hung up. Restarted in safe mode and had
no messages or indications of anything being redetected.
I'll look up clean boot. Thanks.

"Brian A." wrote:

> I find that file is either for Yamaha Midi Synthesizer or a NIC.
> If you are using either make sure you have the proper, better yet get updated
> files from the manufacturers site.
> In Safe Mode > Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs, if possible uninstall and
> apps/entries listed for either of the above.
> In Device Manager remove any/all devices listed Network Adapters and Sound,
> Video and Game Controllers.
> Close out and reboot.
>
> If you get as far as devices being redetected, reinstall the drivers per the
> manufacturers suggestion.
>
> If you still have issues:
> Read “Clean Boot -- What it is and why you need it” by MS MVP Gary Terhune
> http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>
>
> "dave98042" <dave98042@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5C187001-CF3A-4253-A7F0-2FC32C620D95@microsoft.com...
> > Computer froze, upon restart it hangs and will only start in Safe Mode. I
> > used troubleshooting article 188867 and tried selective startup modes,
> > protected-mode driverproblems, disabling PCI bus IRQ steering, disabling
> > devices (which disabled my PS/2 mouse and now I can't re-enable it in Safe
> > mode), auto skip driver, and check for damaged static virtual device driver.
> > I did step by step confirmation and it quit after doing vswp.vxd. I checked
> > Bootlog and there were no failures except for font drivers. It stopped after
> > [00165F0F] Starting Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F0F] Started Unknown
> > (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F10] Enumerating Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O),
> > [00165F10] Enumerated Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O). So, I now can only go in
> > safe mode with no mouse, CD drive, printer, nor internet. Where do I go from
> > here?
>
>
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 8:46:37 PM

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"dave98042" <dave98042@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5C187001-CF3A-4253-A7F0-2FC32C620D95@microsoft.com...

> Computer froze, upon restart it hangs and will only start in Safe Mode. I
> used troubleshooting article 188867 and tried selective startup modes,
> protected-mode driverproblems, disabling PCI bus IRQ steering, disabling
> devices (which disabled my PS/2 mouse and now I can't re-enable it in Safe
> mode), auto skip driver, and check for damaged static virtual device
driver.
> I did step by step confirmation and it quit after doing vswp.vxd. I
checked
> Bootlog and there were no failures except for font drivers. It stopped
after
> [00165F0F] Starting Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F0F] Started Unknown
> (HTREE/RESERVED\O), [00165F10] Enumerating Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O),
> [00165F10] Enumerated Unknown (HTREE/RESERVED\O). So, I now can only go
in
> safe mode with no mouse, CD drive, printer, nor internet. Where do I go
from
> here?

This behavior hints at control by a virus or hijacker.
E.g. standard Win98 Safe Mode should enable the mouse,
access to printer and Internet etc.

Post again with more details e.g. what AV software you
run, what maintenance routines you follow, what triggered
this behavior etc.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 8:46:38 PM

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Thank you for your reply. I run no AV software beyond Media Player &
QuickTime. The only maintenance routine is backing up files weekly on my Zip
Drive, which is also inaccessable in safe mode.
I did attempt to use a Norton firewall/virus detector last spring, but
didn't have enough memory to keep it resident and uninstalled it also last
spring.
I'm not sure what triggered the behavior. I was online, as I had been
several times that day, was writing an email to a friend through hotmail
(hadn't opened anything with attachments), the computer froze during the
email composition, I rebooted, it hung on the reboot, rebooted and it went to
safe mode and then the rest is as described in the original note.

"Don Phillipson" wrote:
>
> This behavior hints at control by a virus or hijacker.
> E.g. standard Win98 Safe Mode should enable the mouse,
> access to printer and Internet etc.
>
> Post again with more details e.g. what AV software you
> run, what maintenance routines you follow, what triggered
> this behavior etc.
>
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
>
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 10:21:50 PM

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| The computer froze during the email composition

Uh-oh. What is your MSHTML.dll version? It can do that!

C:\>dir c:MSHTML.dll /a /s
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
MSHTML DLL 2,699,264 07-18-05 4:22p MSHTML.DLL
1 file(s) 2,699,264 bytes

Here is what a fully updated IE6 SP1 MSHTML.dll looks like...

MSHTML.DLL
Desc: Microsoft (R) HTML Viewer
Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
Mod: Monday, July 18, 2005 04:22:12 PM
Size: 2,699,264 bytes
Ver: 6.00.2800.1515

| I rebooted, it hung on the reboot, rebooted and it went to
| safe mode

It goes to Safe Mode by itself? Then...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q143283
W98 Defaults to Safe Mode
It says, delete "Wnbootng.sts", if you have it...

(1) START button, Settings, Folder Options, View tab.
Bolt "Show all files" & UNcheck "Hide file extensions..."
(2) "START button, FIND, F/F, Wnbootng.sts". (Should be in C:\Windows.)
R-Clk it, & select "Delete"

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q306615
Always Starts in Safe Mode

Here is a way to edit MSDOS.sys. This is an important file.

(1) You won't even see it, unless "START, Settings, Folder Options, View
tab" is bolted "Show all files"; may as well uncheck "Hide file
extensions..." too.
(2) Find "C:\MSDOS.sys" and back it up. Call the backup MSDOS.bck, in
C:\.
(3) Then, R-Clk "C:\MSDOS.sys", Properties, and uncheck Read-Only.

(4) Open it in Notepad, delete the "BootSafe=1", or change it to "=0",
save it, & quit Notepad.

(5) Then, R-Clk MSDOS.sys again, and make it Read-Only. Reboot.
(6) Can't reboot? Then, in DOS, copy the backup over the one you've
mussed.
(a) ATTRIB -R -S -H C:\MSDOS.sys
(b) COPY C:\MSDOS.bck C:\MSDOS.sys
(c) ATTRIB +R +S +H C:\MSDOS.sys

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q118579/
Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File

NOTE: If you have a "C:\Winboot.ini", it will override MSDOS.sys,
though. So, check for that too. It has the same format/instruction set
as the other.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"dave98042" <dave98042@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:034EB2EC-33CB-40BF-B211-FB963F5C11BE@microsoft.com...
| Thank you for your reply. I run no AV software beyond Media Player &
| QuickTime. The only maintenance routine is backing up files weekly on
my Zip
| Drive, which is also inaccessable in safe mode.
| I did attempt to use a Norton firewall/virus detector last spring, but
| didn't have enough memory to keep it resident and uninstalled it also
last
| spring.
| I'm not sure what triggered the behavior. I was online, as I had been
| several times that day, was writing an email to a friend through
hotmail
| (hadn't opened anything with attachments), the computer froze during
the
| email composition, I rebooted, it hung on the reboot, rebooted and it
went to
| safe mode and then the rest is as described in the original note.
|
| "Don Phillipson" wrote:
| >
| > This behavior hints at control by a virus or hijacker.
| > E.g. standard Win98 Safe Mode should enable the mouse,
| > access to printer and Internet etc.
| >
| > Post again with more details e.g. what AV software you
| > run, what maintenance routines you follow, what triggered
| > this behavior etc.
| >
| > --
| > Don Phillipson
| > Carlsbad Springs
| > (Ottawa, Canada)
| >
| >
| >
Anonymous
August 25, 2005 7:39:46 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

"dave98042" <dave98042@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:034EB2EC-33CB-40BF-B211-FB963F5C11BE@microsoft.com...
> Thank you for your reply. I run no AV software beyond Media Player &
> QuickTime. The only maintenance routine is backing up files weekly on my Zip
> Drive, which is also inaccessable in safe mode.
> I did attempt to use a Norton firewall/virus detector last spring, but
> didn't have enough memory to keep it resident and uninstalled it also last
> spring.
> I'm not sure what triggered the behavior. I was online, as I had been
> several times that day, was writing an email to a friend through hotmail
> (hadn't opened anything with attachments), the computer froze during the
> email composition, I rebooted, it hung on the reboot, rebooted and it went to
> safe mode and then the rest is as described in the original note.

Dave,
AV , in this case, does not stand for Audio-Visual but for Anti-Virus.
!