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August 28, 2005 10:04:33 PM

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Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
use the reset button when the error appears.
I can get into Safe Mode
I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
was a lost cluster that was fixed.
I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
Ran Defrag
Fast shutdown is disabled.
I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
frozen.
After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
shutting down and I go through it all again.
I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
that all is ok. I'm using it now.

I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
which is a Western Digital drive.

I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.

I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
software and devices.

Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.

Any ideas appreciated.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

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Anonymous
August 28, 2005 10:48:35 PM

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There have been two different threads about this in the last two months,
possibly maybe hopefully one of them has some info for you Bill. The first
post was was back on June2 and this person did use the 2 replies of info
given to solve the
problem. This is just the header info so you can find the rest of the
posts to it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Pat Miller" <tuaz007@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also again at the begining of August there was another post with lots of
threads to it but I'm not sure if that was ever resolved yet? Anyway,
here's that begining headers info to help you find it:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Danny" <Danny@discussions.microsoft.com>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


good luck,

Rick



Bill Watt wrote:
> Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
> I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
> use the reset button when the error appears.
> I can get into Safe Mode
> I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
> was a lost cluster that was fixed.
> I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
> Ran Defrag
> Fast shutdown is disabled.
> I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
> Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
> going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
> When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
> control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
> frozen.
> After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
> eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
> shutting down and I go through it all again.
> I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
> that all is ok. I'm using it now.
>
> I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
> considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
> Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
> tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
> which is a Western Digital drive.
>
> I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
> seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.
>
> I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
> Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
> software and devices.
>
> Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.
>
> Any ideas appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Watt
> Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
August 29, 2005 12:40:34 AM

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Thanks Rick,

However, neither of the threads have any solutions I don't have
setup already. I should have included the error message. That should
have been first!!
Fatal exception OE in VXD Vfat (01). System halted. Wait or restart.

Bill
__________________________________________________
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:48:35 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
<justask@nospamz.com> wrote:

>There have been two different threads about this in the last two months,
>possibly maybe hopefully one of them has some info for you Bill. The first
>post was was back on June2 and this person did use the 2 replies of info
>given to solve the
>problem. This is just the header info so you can find the rest of the
>posts to it.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Original Message ----
>From: "Pat Miller" <tuaz007@earthlink.net>
>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:46 PM
>Subject: VFAT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Also again at the begining of August there was another post with lots of
>threads to it but I'm not sure if that was ever resolved yet? Anyway,
>here's that begining headers info to help you find it:
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Original Message ----
>From: "Danny" <Danny@discussions.microsoft.com>
>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:55 PM
>Subject: VFAT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>good luck,
>
>Rick
>
>
>
>Bill Watt wrote:
>> Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
>> I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
>> use the reset button when the error appears.
>> I can get into Safe Mode
>> I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
>> was a lost cluster that was fixed.
>> I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
>> Ran Defrag
>> Fast shutdown is disabled.
>> I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
>> Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
>> going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
>> When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
>> control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
>> frozen.
>> After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
>> eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
>> shutting down and I go through it all again.
>> I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
>> that all is ok. I'm using it now.
>>
>> I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
>> considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
>> Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
>> tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
>> which is a Western Digital drive.
>>
>> I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
>> seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.
>>
>> I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
>> Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
>> software and devices.
>>
>> Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.
>>
>> Any ideas appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bill Watt
>> Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
>
>
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Anonymous
August 29, 2005 2:39:40 AM

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Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
one just in case.

This doesn't match your error message, but you might check it out
for clues.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=139063




"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:asl4h19ks3huf7c0bhm4h2vnorukob2bqr@4ax.com...
>
> Thanks Rick,
>
> However, neither of the threads have any solutions I don't have
> setup already. I should have included the error message. That should
> have been first!!
> Fatal exception OE in VXD Vfat (01). System halted. Wait or restart.
>
> Bill
> __________________________________________________
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:48:35 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
> <justask@nospamz.com> wrote:
>
>>There have been two different threads about this in the last two months,
>>possibly maybe hopefully one of them has some info for you Bill. The first
>>post was was back on June2 and this person did use the 2 replies of info
>>given to solve the
>>problem. This is just the header info so you can find the rest of the
>>posts to it.
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Original Message ----
>>From: "Pat Miller" <tuaz007@earthlink.net>
>>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
>>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:46 PM
>>Subject: VFAT
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>Also again at the begining of August there was another post with lots of
>>threads to it but I'm not sure if that was ever resolved yet? Anyway,
>>here's that begining headers info to help you find it:
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Original Message ----
>>From: "Danny" <Danny@discussions.microsoft.com>
>>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:55 PM
>>Subject: VFAT
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>good luck,
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill Watt wrote:
>>> Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
>>> I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
>>> use the reset button when the error appears.
>>> I can get into Safe Mode
>>> I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
>>> was a lost cluster that was fixed.
>>> I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
>>> Ran Defrag
>>> Fast shutdown is disabled.
>>> I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
>>> Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
>>> going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
>>> When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
>>> control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
>>> frozen.
>>> After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
>>> eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
>>> shutting down and I go through it all again.
>>> I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
>>> that all is ok. I'm using it now.
>>>
>>> I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
>>> considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
>>> Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
>>> tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
>>> which is a Western Digital drive.
>>>
>>> I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
>>> seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.
>>>
>>> I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
>>> Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
>>> software and devices.
>>>
>>> Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.
>>>
>>> Any ideas appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bill Watt
>>> Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
>>
>>
Anonymous
August 30, 2005 1:21:32 AM

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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
<bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:

>Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
>install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
>the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
>corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
>one just in case.
>
>This doesn't match your error message, but you might check it out
>for clues.
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=139063

Thanks Bill,

None of the cures in the article apply, I've had Ifshlp Remmed since
Win95.

I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.

The only other error I get is;
Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
and I had not made any changes or installs.

After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.

If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
on the backup drive this time. I may try just restoring the Windows
folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.

The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
end and terminates ok.

Thanks again for your efforts.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
August 30, 2005 2:38:56 AM

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:lpb7h11f7mea3ng9dg9vat48ndoa01cnpe@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
>
>>Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
>>install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
>>the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
>>corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
>>one just in case.
>>

> I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
> you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
> They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.

Hm. That's strange.. it shouldn't report it missing.

>
> The only other error I get is;
> Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
> I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
> WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
> with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
> and I had not made any changes or installs.
>
> After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.
>
> If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
> MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
> on the backup drive this time.

If the backup is a simple clone you might try bootitNG. Put it on a floppy,
boot, "cancel" the install and you'll be in maintenance mode where you
can delete and copy volumes/partitions.


> I may try just restoring the Windows
> folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.
>
> The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
> end and terminates ok.
>
> Thanks again for your efforts.

You're welcome, let us know what happens..
Anonymous
August 30, 2005 3:15:00 PM

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Hi Bill Watt, as Bill Blanton said please let us know how you make out. I
know from your previous participation in these groups and from your website
shows that you have the ability and knowledge to get out of this. Is this
one of your customers computers or yours? If it's yours and as the tech
you are don't you have a previous saved log of tracking from whatever
uninstaller tracker that you use so that in situations like this you can
just do a compare and browse its GUI of all the actual windows files &
registry changes that took place, and then easily deduct from that exactly
what happened, and then easily reverse it and/or use your favorite
partition imager to get previous good files from if needed ..or for a
last resort using that partition imager can't you just restore a previous
saved partition image back in place which only takes a few minutes?

For instance one of the best file/registry tracker programs there is (I use
an older version) of Ashampoo, and although they tout it as an uninstaller,
http://www.ashampoo.com/frontend/products/php/product.p...
..for me the only functions I use (ignoring it's other fluff) on it is
specifically just the exceptional GUI layout of the monitoring and compare
functions which give you a total and complete full view in a familiar
Windows GUI environment of every mi-nute thing that goes on - and so like
in a situation like you have now you could just do a compare after the
anomaly happened and observe the changes that caused it, and then easily
(and even fun) to deduct the simple resolve and reverse it.

Also for Partition Imagers, I know most of the MVP's here like to use
BootitNG which is fine although admittedly more complicated to learn, and
it's not an all in one program, where in contrast using a program
like TueImage http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage...
which is by far the easiest and most comprehensive one I've ever used ..and
I've used them all. My second choice was the older version of DriveImage
before Symantec got a hold of it.. Anyway I'm not affiliated with these
companies I mention in this post but am just talking about what my
experience is with them and use them constantly on a Daily basis.

Rick


Bill Blanton wrote:
> "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
> news:lpb7h11f7mea3ng9dg9vat48ndoa01cnpe@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
>> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
>>>install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
>>>the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
>>>corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
>>>one just in case.
>>>
>
>> I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
>> you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
>> They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.
>
> Hm. That's strange.. it shouldn't report it missing.
>
>>
>> The only other error I get is;
>> Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
>> I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
>> WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
>> with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
>> and I had not made any changes or installs.
>>
>> After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.
>>
>> If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
>> MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
>> on the backup drive this time.
>
> If the backup is a simple clone you might try bootitNG. Put it on a
> floppy,
> boot, "cancel" the install and you'll be in maintenance mode where you
> can delete and copy volumes/partitions.
>
>
>> I may try just restoring the Windows
>> folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.
>>
>> The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
>> end and terminates ok.
>>
>> Thanks again for your efforts.
>
> You're welcome, let us know what happens..
Anonymous
August 30, 2005 8:28:36 PM

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| However, neither of the threads have any solutions I don't have
| setup already.

In the VFAT thread, the real solution to Danny's problem was to REM the
EMM386 line in Config.sys. You tried that or disabled Config.sys
altogether? You never get the error booting to Safe Mode, when
Config.sys doesn't run at all?

| I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
| you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.

That doesn't make sense. Let us see...

C:\>dir /a /s C:vmm32.vxd
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
VMM32 VXD 941,094 07-22-99 12:21a VMM32.VXD
1 file(s) 941,094 bytes

C:\>dir /ad /s C:\VMM32
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
VMM32 <DIR> 07-22-99 12:16a VMM32

You may have two VMM32 folders now, one in the new Windows folder. It's
contents will override the VMM32.vxd conglomerate entry, if one is also
in there. Here is what is in mine. (I do not see a VFAT.vxd override.)

C:\>dir /a /s C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32
IFSMGR VXD 186,438 09-19-00 12:57p IFSMGR.VXD
IOS VXD 69,570 04-23-99 10:22p IOS.VXD
MRCI2 VXD 53,403 04-23-99 10:22p MRCI2.VXD
QEMMFIX VXD 9,792 04-23-99 10:22p QEMMFIX.VXD


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:lpb7h11f7mea3ng9dg9vat48ndoa01cnpe@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
| <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
|
| >Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
| >install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is
inside
| >the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
| >corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
| >one just in case.
| >
| >This doesn't match your error message, but you might check it out
| >for clues.
| >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=139063
|
| Thanks Bill,
|
| None of the cures in the article apply, I've had Ifshlp Remmed since
| Win95.
|
| I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
| you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
| They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.
|
| The only other error I get is;
| Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
| I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
| WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
| with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
| and I had not made any changes or installs.
|
| After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.
|
| If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
| MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
| on the backup drive this time. I may try just restoring the Windows
| folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.
|
| The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
| end and terminates ok.
|
| Thanks again for your efforts.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
|
Anonymous
September 1, 2005 6:59:50 AM

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:38:56 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
<bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:

>"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:lpb7h11f7mea3ng9dg9vat48ndoa01cnpe@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
>> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
>>>install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
>>>the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
>>>corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
>>>one just in case.
>>>
>
>> I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
>> you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
>> They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.
>
>Hm. That's strange.. it shouldn't report it missing.
>
>>
>> The only other error I get is;
>> Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
>> I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
>> WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
>> with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
>> and I had not made any changes or installs.
>>
>> After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.
>>
>> If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
>> MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
>> on the backup drive this time.
>
>If the backup is a simple clone you might try bootitNG. Put it on a floppy,
>boot, "cancel" the install and you'll be in maintenance mode where you
>can delete and copy volumes/partitions.
>
>
>> I may try just restoring the Windows
>> folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.
>>
>> The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
>> end and terminates ok.
>>
>> Thanks again for your efforts.
>
>You're welcome, let us know what happens..

Bill,

Copied the vmm386 file over and it made no difference.
Tried copying the backed up windows folder over and things were a
little different but no better.

Disabled config.sys and autoexec.bat and no change. I suspected Zone
Alarm so I uninstalled it and installed the latest version with no
help.

Ran scandisk from Windows and a surface scan of the entire drive.
The windows scan only found several Netscape folders too long to
open in Dos. They were in the Application Data folders. I did not
fix them.

Tried disabling all startup programs in Msconfig and no help.

With all this I don't get the two errors anymore, instead it reboots
right after it loads after scandisk or at the windows blue screen.
Occasionally I get into Windows and it works perfectly until I
restart or shutdown.

I downloaded BootitNg as I may restore my 8 day old backup. I may
reverse the drives and boot from the backup drive. It boots.
Bootitng is different, I'm studying it.

Anyway it's a mess. I'll try some of the Startup and Shutdown links
I have on my site. :-)

I'm using the clean install folder right now and of course the only
programs that work are the ones that don't use the Registry.

PCR I tried what you suggested to no avail, thanks.
Rick, I do use an un-installer but I had not installed anything
recently, the problem just suddenly appeared. I am uninstalling
programs I seldom use however.

Thanks to all for your interest.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 1, 2005 12:42:02 PM

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Bill Watt wrote:

[...]

> Rick, I do use an un-installer but I had not installed anything
> recently, the problem just suddenly appeared. I am uninstalling
> programs I seldom use however.

Going forward then, Bill of course I meant using an uninstaller on an
ongoing basis specifically for the true purpose of tracking all changes
made in the registry & files - and not for uninstalling as it's namesake
implies, so that if even if it was a week or even 2 or more between
comparative saves it would still be still easy to see Exactly what was out
of place that happened and what the changes were which caused it, and that
would facilitate a knowledgeable direction for resolve and the
understanding of what happened. It's like having full coverage movie
cameras of every minute change. Also going forward, having a real
partition image backup of your OS partition from whichever your favorite
brandname imager is - is imperative as well.

All the best, hope you get it going, and please do post back if you find a
resolve so that it can be added to the vfat list.

Rick

> Thanks to all for your interest.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Watt
> Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 1, 2005 8:04:53 PM

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| PCR I tried what you suggested to no avail, thanks.

You are welcome. OK. The folder "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32" goes hand in
hand with VMM32.vxd. So, if you copy the file, better take the folder
too. If there is something extra in the original one, it is a suspect!
Cquirke once wrote something definitive on this, but I can't seem to
find it!

| Disabled config.sys and autoexec.bat and no change.

OK. Yours is a different VFAT problem from Danny's.

| Ran scandisk from Windows and a surface scan of the entire drive.

It can't be a real bad VFAT error, if Scandisk didn't go nuts over it.
The errors it reported to you were minor.

| Tried disabling all startup programs in Msconfig and no help.

This plus disabling Config.sys & Autoexec.bat gets close to a Safe Mode
boot. The main difference between the two NOW is drivers. Usually the
video driver becomes a suspect, but you have reported sound driver
problems.

| Tried copying the backed up windows folder over and things were a
| little different but no better.

Hmm. The whole thing? Even the Registry? I don't know what to think.

| With all this I don't get the two errors anymore, instead it reboots
| right after it loads after scandisk or at the windows blue screen.
| Occasionally I get into Windows and it works perfectly until I
| restart or shutdown.

It still boots well to Safe Mode every time? Then, perhaps play with the
Video & Sound drivers. For the Video...

For the Monitor...
(1) Boot to Safe Mode
(Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)
(2) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
(3) Open the Monitors branch, & Remove all entries.

Perhaps, FIRST, even in Normal Mode, note what is installed
similar to below for the Adapter. That is...
(a) D-Clk the monitor there for Properties, Driver tab.
(b) Click the Update Driver button, then "Next".
(c) Bolt "Display a list...", & click "Next".
(d) Bolt "Show all hardware".
Examine the two panes to see what is currently installed.
That is likely what you wish to end up with, after step (4).

(4) Boot to Normal Mode.

Hopefully, it will be rediscovered & installed. Then, if still
necessary, here is the rigmarole of the Display Adapter...

.......Quote..........
The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have
installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the
drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; and
click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to
deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is
currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display
Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.

[That is: Click "Change, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next, bolt
'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard display
types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane, click
'Next'"... PCR]

This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA
adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because
it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get
rid of whatever was there before.

Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches
your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are
using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to
see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct
video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an
adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that
made your video card.

Bill Starbuck (MVP)
.......End....of quote....


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:tm7dh155gq976pnpbjsvgfan880evbappk@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:38:56 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
| <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
|
| >"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:lpb7h11f7mea3ng9dg9vat48ndoa01cnpe@4ax.com...
| >> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
| >> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
| >>
| >>>Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
| >>>install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is
inside
| >>>the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
| >>>corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
| >>>one just in case.
| >>>
| >
| >> I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
| >> you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
| >> They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.
| >
| >Hm. That's strange.. it shouldn't report it missing.
| >
| >>
| >> The only other error I get is;
| >> Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
| >> I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
| >> WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
| >> with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
| >> and I had not made any changes or installs.
| >>
| >> After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.
| >>
| >> If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
| >> MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
| >> on the backup drive this time.
| >
| >If the backup is a simple clone you might try bootitNG. Put it on a
floppy,
| >boot, "cancel" the install and you'll be in maintenance mode where
you
| >can delete and copy volumes/partitions.
| >
| >
| >> I may try just restoring the Windows
| >> folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.
| >>
| >> The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
| >> end and terminates ok.
| >>
| >> Thanks again for your efforts.
| >
| >You're welcome, let us know what happens..
|
| Bill,
|
| Copied the vmm386 file over and it made no difference.
| Tried copying the backed up windows folder over and things were a
| little different but no better.
|
| Disabled config.sys and autoexec.bat and no change. I suspected Zone
| Alarm so I uninstalled it and installed the latest version with no
| help.
|
| Ran scandisk from Windows and a surface scan of the entire drive.
| The windows scan only found several Netscape folders too long to
| open in Dos. They were in the Application Data folders. I did not
| fix them.
|
| Tried disabling all startup programs in Msconfig and no help.
|
| With all this I don't get the two errors anymore, instead it reboots
| right after it loads after scandisk or at the windows blue screen.
| Occasionally I get into Windows and it works perfectly until I
| restart or shutdown.
|
| I downloaded BootitNg as I may restore my 8 day old backup. I may
| reverse the drives and boot from the backup drive. It boots.
| Bootitng is different, I'm studying it.
|
| Anyway it's a mess. I'll try some of the Startup and Shutdown links
| I have on my site. :-)
|
| I'm using the clean install folder right now and of course the only
| programs that work are the ones that don't use the Registry.
|
| PCR I tried what you suggested to no avail, thanks.
| Rick, I do use an un-installer but I had not installed anything
| recently, the problem just suddenly appeared. I am uninstalling
| programs I seldom use however.
|
| Thanks to all for your interest.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 3:00:47 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:04:33 -0400, Bill Watt <nobwatt@ptd.net>
wrote:

>>> Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
>>> I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
>>> use the reset button when the error appears.
>>> I can get into Safe Mode
>>> I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
>>> was a lost cluster that was fixed.
>>> I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
>>> Ran Defrag
>>> Fast shutdown is disabled.
>>> I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
>>> Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
>>> going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
>>> When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
>>> control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
>>> frozen.
>>> After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
>>> eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
>>> shutting down and I go through it all again.
>>> I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
>>> that all is ok.

SNIP (part of original message)

Well, an update of sorts. :-)

I don't get the errors any more, it's now a startup and shutdown
issue.

I can always get into Safe Mode.
Restoring the Windows folder from the backup before the problem
started was no help.
Booting into the clean SE install folder works, loads and shutdowns
every time. But only non-registered programs work, naturally.

I have disabled everything in Startup in MSconfig except Devldr16
and the MS Office bar and now it loads ok from a cold boot but a
restart reboots before the MS blue screen and icons. The next
attempt loads ok.

Disabling autoexec.bat and config.sys did not help and I am now
loading them again with no change.

The BIOS and Device Mgr look ok. Scandisk never reports any errors.

I have some other things to try and I'll update.

Thanks to all for the help and interest.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 4:17:58 AM

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How are you booting into the original Windows folder, after installing
Windows to a new folder? The new folder is "Windows.000"? Let us see
your MSDOS.sys & Winboot.ini (if any), specifically...

[Paths]
WinDir=c:\windows
WinBootDir=c:\windows
HostWinBootDrv=c


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:083ih1d5op7h1ru0o1c6fo01cnph3m7nt5@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:04:33 -0400, Bill Watt <nobwatt@ptd.net>
| wrote:
|
| >>> Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
| >>> I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
| >>> use the reset button when the error appears.
| >>> I can get into Safe Mode
| >>> I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time
there
| >>> was a lost cluster that was fixed.
| >>> I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
| >>> Ran Defrag
| >>> Fast shutdown is disabled.
| >>> I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
| >>> Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts.
I'm
| >>> going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling
Scandisk.
| >>> When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
| >>> control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
| >>> frozen.
| >>> After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it
will
| >>> eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
| >>> shutting down and I go through it all again.
| >>> I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
| >>> that all is ok.
|
| SNIP (part of original message)
|
| Well, an update of sorts. :-)
|
| I don't get the errors any more, it's now a startup and shutdown
| issue.
|
| I can always get into Safe Mode.
| Restoring the Windows folder from the backup before the problem
| started was no help.
| Booting into the clean SE install folder works, loads and shutdowns
| every time. But only non-registered programs work, naturally.
|
| I have disabled everything in Startup in MSconfig except Devldr16
| and the MS Office bar and now it loads ok from a cold boot but a
| restart reboots before the MS blue screen and icons. The next
| attempt loads ok.
|
| Disabling autoexec.bat and config.sys did not help and I am now
| loading them again with no change.
|
| The BIOS and Device Mgr look ok. Scandisk never reports any errors.
|
| I have some other things to try and I'll update.
|
| Thanks to all for the help and interest.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 4:54:30 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:17:58 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>How are you booting into the original Windows folder, after installing
>Windows to a new folder? The new folder is "Windows.000"? Let us see
>your MSDOS.sys & Winboot.ini (if any), specifically...
>
>[Paths]
>WinDir=c:\windows
>WinBootDir=c:\windows
>HostWinBootDrv=c

I renamed Windows to Winold. Then installed Windows to Windows. Then
renamed Windows again to Winnew then restored my Windows folder
backup to C: as Windows.
I rename the folders from Dos and use Winbck for the restored
folder.
So, I can boot to any of the three by renaming and rebooting.
The MSdos.sys file remains the same as I am always booting into a
Windows folder.

The Path section of my Msdos.sys:
[Paths]
WinDir=C:\WINDOWS
WinBootDir=C:\WINDOWS
HostWinBootDrv=C
UninstallDir=C:\

One thing I forgot to mention since the last update. I have a driver
CD that came with my PC and I used it to automatically install all
the drivers for the devices that came with the machine. I didn't
notice that it helped but maybe it did as things have improved, I'm
in the regular Windows now after only two restarts.

I will try a little longer to fix it then, if not, disconnect the
first drive, make the second Master and boot to the backed up
system and see if the problem goes away.

Thanks for everyone's interest, this is really a pain.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 4:54:16 PM

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:17:58 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
| >How are you booting into the original Windows folder, after
installing
| >Windows to a new folder? The new folder is "Windows.000"? Let us see
| >your MSDOS.sys & Winboot.ini (if any), specifically...
| >
| >[Paths]
| >WinDir=c:\windows
| >WinBootDir=c:\windows
| >HostWinBootDrv=c
|
| I renamed Windows to Winold. Then installed Windows to Windows. Then
| renamed Windows again to Winnew then restored my Windows folder
| backup to C: as Windows.

I should say first I have never done this kind of thing. HOWEVER, there
is an article that says... TWO folders are involved: "C:\Windows" &
"C:\Program Files", and these files: MSDOS.sys, Config.sys, Autoexec.bat
& System.1st. I think this is it...
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=193902
How to Reinstall Windows into a new folder

Here's another article, though, that actually says...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;190040
OFF97: Installing Win 98 to New Folder to Tshoot Office Problems
......Quote..........
NOTE: The Program Files folder will not be changed because the Program
Files folder was not renamed.
......EOQ............

| I rename the folders from Dos and use Winbck for the restored
| folder.

DOS is right for that. But what is Winbck? Winold is the original
Windows folder. Winnew is the new one. Windows is either of those,
depending which you are running.

| So, I can boot to any of the three by renaming and rebooting.
| The MSdos.sys file remains the same as I am always booting into a
| Windows folder.
|
| The Path section of my Msdos.sys:
| [Paths]
| WinDir=C:\WINDOWS
| WinBootDir=C:\WINDOWS
| HostWinBootDrv=C
| UninstallDir=C:\

That seems good for your methodology.

|
| One thing I forgot to mention since the last update. I have a driver
| CD that came with my PC and I used it to automatically install all
| the drivers for the devices that came with the machine. I didn't
| notice that it helped but maybe it did as things have improved, I'm
| in the regular Windows now after only two restarts.

Normal Mode Windows, you mean, running Winold? Odd Winnew didn't need
it.

|
| I will try a little longer to fix it then, if not, disconnect the
| first drive, make the second Master and boot to the backed up
| system and see if the problem goes away.

OK. Now that you've described your methodology in more detail, perhaps
someone whose done this can pop in. I know Chauvin did it! And surely so
did Starbuck!

|
| Thanks for everyone's interest, this is really a pain.

You are welcome. Sure is a pain, but some day I vow to do it. Wait! Make
that: Some day I will vow to do it!

|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 5:29:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

PCR wrote:
> "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
> news:qh9ih19cij0dq19bctafirevku0oh441v2@4ax.com...
>| On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:17:58 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

[...]

>| I will try a little longer to fix it then, if not, disconnect the
>| first drive, make the second Master and boot to the backed up
>| system and see if the problem goes away.
>
> OK. Now that you've described your methodology in more detail, perhaps
> someone whose done this can pop in. I know Chauvin did it! And surely so
> did Starbuck!

I see you mentioned my name pcr and of course I'm always glad to help
anyone when asked - I enjoy to solve problems, and I have given my advice
to Bill already. I don't understand why he is doing everything the so
very long and hard way around it instead of the most simplest best easy way
in the first place. He seems to want to do things his own way and that's
fine. I don't know what else I can say, but I do care! If he wanted to ask
something specific I would be glad to help where it is my place to do so,
but I don't see any questions for me or I would have responded.

Rick

>|
>| Thanks for everyone's interest, this is really a pain.
>
> You are welcome. Sure is a pain, but some day I vow to do it. Wait! Make
> that: Some day I will vow to do it!
>
>|
>| Regards,
>|
>| Bill Watt
>| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 9:59:48 PM

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Yea, I saw you did participate & give good advice as usual. It's just
that I dimly recall you did do his kind of multi-booting once, using
MSDOS.sys to choose which folder to boot. But, yea, if something came to
you, sure you would say so, I know. Sorry to put you on the spot. But
little else is coming into my own head. I know Starbuck has a post
mentioning installing Windows to a new folder. And could be Colorado did
this too or something like it.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:o W5qU0KsFHA.2604@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| > "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
| > news:qh9ih19cij0dq19bctafirevku0oh441v2@4ax.com...
| >| On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:17:58 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net>
wrote:
|
| [...]
|
| >| I will try a little longer to fix it then, if not, disconnect the
| >| first drive, make the second Master and boot to the backed up
| >| system and see if the problem goes away.
| >
| > OK. Now that you've described your methodology in more detail,
perhaps
| > someone whose done this can pop in. I know Chauvin did it! And
surely so
| > did Starbuck!
|
| I see you mentioned my name pcr and of course I'm always glad to help
| anyone when asked - I enjoy to solve problems, and I have given my
advice
| to Bill already. I don't understand why he is doing everything the
so
| very long and hard way around it instead of the most simplest best
easy way
| in the first place. He seems to want to do things his own way and
that's
| fine. I don't know what else I can say, but I do care! If he wanted
to ask
| something specific I would be glad to help where it is my place to do
so,
| but I don't see any questions for me or I would have responded.
|
| Rick
|
| >|
| >| Thanks for everyone's interest, this is really a pain.
| >
| > You are welcome. Sure is a pain, but some day I vow to do it. Wait!
Make
| > that: Some day I will vow to do it!
| >
| >|
| >| Regards,
| >|
| >| Bill Watt
| >| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
|
|
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 11:37:34 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:29:02 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
<justask@nospamz.com> wrote:

>PCR wrote:
>> "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
>> news:qh9ih19cij0dq19bctafirevku0oh441v2@4ax.com...
>>| On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:17:58 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>| I will try a little longer to fix it then, if not, disconnect the
>>| first drive, make the second Master and boot to the backed up
>>| system and see if the problem goes away.
>>
>> OK. Now that you've described your methodology in more detail, perhaps
>> someone whose done this can pop in. I know Chauvin did it! And surely so
>> did Starbuck!
>
>I see you mentioned my name pcr and of course I'm always glad to help
>anyone when asked - I enjoy to solve problems, and I have given my advice
>to Bill already. I don't understand why he is doing everything the so
>very long and hard way around it instead of the most simplest best easy way
>in the first place. He seems to want to do things his own way and that's
>fine. I don't know what else I can say, but I do care! If he wanted to ask
>something specific I would be glad to help where it is my place to do so,
>but I don't see any questions for me or I would have responded.
>
>Rick

Hi Rick,

I had not used a utility to continually monitor the Registry as you
described so it's not an option. I have one but it's used only for a
session.

There is no guarantee a full restore won't have the same problem
because booting into the backed up windows folder has the same
problem.

I am backing up docs etc since the backup to get ready to restore in
case I can't get this fixed. I tried Fdisk /mbr and it worked but
did not resolve the problem.

The way it is now I can get into windows using the normal Windows
folder after several restarts, scandisks and Safe mode. It then
works normally until I shutdown then the process starts over.

I wish I knew what the Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD
(07) error is all about. Occasionally I get that error just after
the desktop icons appear and it hangs the machine too. I've searched
and it appears to be an audio driver for programs I don't have.

If I have any specific questions I'll post back.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 3:12:39 AM

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Bill Watt wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I had not used a utility to continually monitor the Registry as you
> described so it's not an option. I have one but it's used only for a
> session.

Yes understood, but going forward even if you took a save once a week all
of this would be made simple and a fun thing to fix, and btw, it's not just
a registry snapshot but as you know a an all encompassing complete
registry and file snapshot; even do it once a week or when working on
projects then do it before the work.

> There is no guarantee a full restore won't have the same problem
> because booting into the backed up windows folder has the same
> problem.

That's where again.. well I'm sorry Bill I don't mean to nag you, I'm
sorry, but really for you and your knowledge around here and where you have
been you should know that a simple complete partition backup on your OS
partition takes what 2 minutes, and same to restore it in it 'totality'
...none of this backing up a windows folder or halfass stuff like that;
again sorry to speak straight but really that's so piece meal and
inefficient. Anyway right now for you in your position how to figure out
what happened ..well it's like rummaging through stuff that takes 1000
times more hit/miss effort that what I've mentioned before. ...sorry again
I really don't mean to be hard, it's just if you only knew how easy it is
to do and how all encompassing it is to put you in the drivers seat you
would start now..

> I am backing up docs etc since the backup to get ready to restore in
> case I can't get this fixed. I tried Fdisk /mbr and it worked but
> did not resolve the problem.

ditto

> The way it is now I can get into windows using the normal Windows
> folder after several restarts, scandisks and Safe mode. It then
> works normally until I shutdown then the process starts over.

ditto

> I wish I knew what the Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD
> (07) error is all about. Occasionally I get that error just after
> the desktop icons appear and it hangs the machine too. I've searched
> and it appears to be an audio driver for programs I don't have.

ditto again. ..sorry.

I'm sure you have rummaged goog for info about that which may help:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=VXD+WDMAUD

> If I have any specific questions I'll post back.

I would give and do anything to you to fix it Bill. I want to give you the
rote magic answer to save it - it's just you've done so much changing out
of things already it's hard to know what is reacting to what now at this
point.

I almost want to buy you myself True Image and Ashampoo ..once you use
them, or Anything similar, and see how indestructible you can be you would
never ever look back and actually sometimes get so bored with perfection
that you would taunt things to happen just for fun so you can have fun to
easily observe and reverse them.

Again I would/will do and give you anything to help you solve the problem.

Rick

> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Watt
> Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 3:15:57 AM

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PCR wrote:
> Yea, I saw you did participate & give good advice as usual. It's just
> that I dimly recall you did do his kind of multi-booting once, using
> MSDOS.sys to choose which folder to boot. But, yea, if something came to
> you, sure you would say so, I know. Sorry to put you on the spot. But
> little else is coming into my own head. I know Starbuck has a post
> mentioning installing Windows to a new folder. And could be Colorado did
> this too or something like it.

Maybe you're referring to that I use pqboot to boot to my other OS's rather
than using any other onboard or retail OS boot manager. Yes I also did some
over installs before but why put oneself in that position - it's way less
than perfect.

I strictly use partition imagers constantly to keep me out of trouble, even
duplicate disk to disk hard drives too, but if I want to install IE17 <vbg>
or W98SE SP3 <smile> or anything whatsoever, or even if I destroy my OS, I
just get a drink of milk while I restore the backup partition image in
minutes and continue on - I've done that operation no less than a thousand
times already in my work. If I want a challenge I will watch the tracking
of whatever done and use it for action, and that above all else is a great
teacher to see how things tick and even lets you backtrack out ..it all
makes for indestructible travels.

A fresh install may be the way to go, and from that moment on forever
always have quick, easy, simple, all encompassing full partition backups,
and tracking, and forever run true...

Rick


>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:o W5qU0KsFHA.2604@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>| PCR wrote:
>| > "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
>| > news:qh9ih19cij0dq19bctafirevku0oh441v2@4ax.com...
>| >| On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:17:58 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>|
>| [...]
>|
>| >| I will try a little longer to fix it then, if not, disconnect the
>| >| first drive, make the second Master and boot to the backed up
>| >| system and see if the problem goes away.
>| >
>| > OK. Now that you've described your methodology in more detail, perhaps
>| > someone whose done this can pop in. I know Chauvin did it! And surely
>| > so did Starbuck!
>|
>| I see you mentioned my name pcr and of course I'm always glad to help
>| anyone when asked - I enjoy to solve problems, and I have given my
>| advice to Bill already. I don't understand why he is doing everything
>| the so very long and hard way around it instead of the most simplest
>| best easy way in the first place. He seems to want to do things his own
>| way and that's fine. I don't know what else I can say, but I do care!
>| If he wanted to ask something specific I would be glad to help where it
>| is my place to do so, but I don't see any questions for me or I would
>| have responded.
>|
>| Rick
>|
>| >|
>| >| Thanks for everyone's interest, this is really a pain.
>| >
>| > You are welcome. Sure is a pain, but some day I vow to do it. Wait!
>| > Make that: Some day I will vow to do it!
>| >
>| >|
>| >| Regards,
>| >|
>| >| Bill Watt
>| >| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 3:19:40 AM

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:c9bkh11cbci7jcn2ojc0b9l8q1b4pj9f34@4ax.com...

> There is no guarantee a full restore won't have the same problem
> because booting into the backed up windows folder has the same
> problem.

> The way it is now I can get into windows using the normal Windows
> folder after several restarts, scandisks and Safe mode. It then
> works normally until I shutdown then the process starts over.
>
> I wish I knew what the Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD
> (07) error is all about. Occasionally I get that error just after
> the desktop icons appear and it hangs the machine too. I've searched
> and it appears to be an audio driver for programs I don't have.


RAM test? PSU?
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 4:46:13 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:19:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
<bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:

>"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:c9bkh11cbci7jcn2ojc0b9l8q1b4pj9f34@4ax.com...
>
>> There is no guarantee a full restore won't have the same problem
>> because booting into the backed up windows folder has the same
>> problem.
>
>> The way it is now I can get into windows using the normal Windows
>> folder after several restarts, scandisks and Safe mode. It then
>> works normally until I shutdown then the process starts over.
>>
>> I wish I knew what the Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD
>> (07) error is all about. Occasionally I get that error just after
>> the desktop icons appear and it hangs the machine too. I've searched
>> and it appears to be an audio driver for programs I don't have.
>
>
>RAM test? PSU?

I have used MEM and MEM /D from Dos and results are normal. That was
among the first things I suspected.

What is PSU? A ram checker?

Good suggestion.

Bill
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 1:57:45 PM

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:o hukh1lb3lpdkaj2tqp7am99j2hvj4nig6@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:19:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
>
>>"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:c9bkh11cbci7jcn2ojc0b9l8q1b4pj9f34@4ax.com...
>>
>>> There is no guarantee a full restore won't have the same problem
>>> because booting into the backed up windows folder has the same
>>> problem.
>>
>>> The way it is now I can get into windows using the normal Windows
>>> folder after several restarts, scandisks and Safe mode. It then
>>> works normally until I shutdown then the process starts over.
>>>
>>> I wish I knew what the Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD
>>> (07) error is all about. Occasionally I get that error just after
>>> the desktop icons appear and it hangs the machine too. I've searched
>>> and it appears to be an audio driver for programs I don't have.
>>
>>
>>RAM test? PSU?
>
> I have used MEM and MEM /D from Dos and results are normal. That was
> among the first things I suspected.

MEM won't test the RAM Bill, it will only show how it's allocated. I use
simmtester's docmemory, (run a "burn-in" test, and be prepared to let
it run for hours) I've also have heard good things about memtest86.

http://www.simmtester.com/
http://www.simmtester.com/page/products/doc/docinfo.asp

http://www.memtest86.com/



> What is PSU? A ram checker?

Power Supply Unit :)  Probably less likely, but a possibilty.
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 8:27:58 PM

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It does seem certain a fresh install will cure him, as the Windows in a
new folder does boot well. And he has already said he will do that, if
nothing new comes up. Definitely, afterwards, a full system backup is
the thing to do, periodically. Yea, sounds like you are in good enough
shape to kick your feet up & have a cigar 15 minutes after a
catastrophic failure. Me too!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:u4uwm9PsFHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| > Yea, I saw you did participate & give good advice as usual. It's
just
| > that I dimly recall you did do his kind of multi-booting once, using
| > MSDOS.sys to choose which folder to boot. But, yea, if something
came to
| > you, sure you would say so, I know. Sorry to put you on the spot.
But
| > little else is coming into my own head. I know Starbuck has a post
| > mentioning installing Windows to a new folder. And could be Colorado
did
| > this too or something like it.
|
| Maybe you're referring to that I use pqboot to boot to my other OS's
rather
| than using any other onboard or retail OS boot manager. Yes I also did
some
| over installs before but why put oneself in that position - it's way
less
| than perfect.
|
| I strictly use partition imagers constantly to keep me out of trouble,
even
| duplicate disk to disk hard drives too, but if I want to install IE17
<vbg>
| or W98SE SP3 <smile> or anything whatsoever, or even if I destroy my
OS, I
| just get a drink of milk while I restore the backup partition image in
| minutes and continue on - I've done that operation no less than a
thousand
| times already in my work. If I want a challenge I will watch the
tracking
| of whatever done and use it for action, and that above all else is a
great
| teacher to see how things tick and even lets you backtrack out ..it
all
| makes for indestructible travels.
|
| A fresh install may be the way to go, and from that moment on forever
| always have quick, easy, simple, all encompassing full partition
backups,
| and tracking, and forever run true...
|
| Rick
|
|
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
| > news:o W5qU0KsFHA.2604@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| >| PCR wrote:
| >| > "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
| >| > news:qh9ih19cij0dq19bctafirevku0oh441v2@4ax.com...
| >| >| On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:17:58 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net>
wrote:
| >|
| >| [...]
| >|
| >| >| I will try a little longer to fix it then, if not, disconnect
the
| >| >| first drive, make the second Master and boot to the backed up
| >| >| system and see if the problem goes away.
| >| >
| >| > OK. Now that you've described your methodology in more detail,
perhaps
| >| > someone whose done this can pop in. I know Chauvin did it! And
surely
| >| > so did Starbuck!
| >|
| >| I see you mentioned my name pcr and of course I'm always glad to
help
| >| anyone when asked - I enjoy to solve problems, and I have given my
| >| advice to Bill already. I don't understand why he is doing
everything
| >| the so very long and hard way around it instead of the most
simplest
| >| best easy way in the first place. He seems to want to do things his
own
| >| way and that's fine. I don't know what else I can say, but I do
care!
| >| If he wanted to ask something specific I would be glad to help
where it
| >| is my place to do so, but I don't see any questions for me or I
would
| >| have responded.
| >|
| >| Rick
| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Thanks for everyone's interest, this is really a pain.
| >| >
| >| > You are welcome. Sure is a pain, but some day I vow to do it.
Wait!
| >| > Make that: Some day I will vow to do it!
| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| Regards,
| >| >|
| >| >| Bill Watt
| >| >| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
|
|
|
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 5:26:03 AM

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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:57:45 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
<bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:

>"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:o hukh1lb3lpdkaj2tqp7am99j2hvj4nig6@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:19:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
>> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:c9bkh11cbci7jcn2ojc0b9l8q1b4pj9f34@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> There is no guarantee a full restore won't have the same problem
>>>> because booting into the backed up windows folder has the same
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>>> The way it is now I can get into windows using the normal Windows
>>>> folder after several restarts, scandisks and Safe mode. It then
>>>> works normally until I shutdown then the process starts over.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I knew what the Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD
>>>> (07) error is all about. Occasionally I get that error just after
>>>> the desktop icons appear and it hangs the machine too. I've searched
>>>> and it appears to be an audio driver for programs I don't have.
>>>
>>>
>>>RAM test? PSU?
>>
>> I have used MEM and MEM /D from Dos and results are normal. That was
>> among the first things I suspected.
>
>MEM won't test the RAM Bill, it will only show how it's allocated. I use
>simmtester's docmemory, (run a "burn-in" test, and be prepared to let
>it run for hours) I've also have heard good things about memtest86.
>
>http://www.simmtester.com/
>http://www.simmtester.com/page/products/doc/docinfo.asp
>
>http://www.memtest86.com/
>
>
>
>> What is PSU? A ram checker?
>
>Power Supply Unit :)  Probably less likely, but a possibilty.

Around here that's Penn State U. :-)

Mem test was ok, thanks for the links. It do take awhile.

Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system back
and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
(knock on wood).

Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.

I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)

I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)

Thanks again.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 1:23:12 PM

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:o 5lnh1lrmdeg2ghuun4n44f5moo5i0s0lh@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:57:45 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:

> Mem test was ok, thanks for the links. It do take awhile.
>
> Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
> primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system back
> and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
> (knock on wood).
>
> Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
> make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
> drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.
>
> I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
> to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
> time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
> ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)

It'll work across drives, but you have to have at least the copy
part size of equal or greater "free space" on the other drive.
You can't paste into an existing partition, even if it's empty.
Copy > select other drive > paste


> I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)
>
> Thanks again.

You're welcome. Sorry you weren't able to clear up the problem
on the old install...
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 3:15:03 PM

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As Blanton said, BING will COPY only to free HDD space. (It will IMAGE
to that or to a formatted partition.) Yea, sorry you/we couldn't get it
fixed otherwise, but you've discovered the hardware works well, & it is
well to keep a current backup.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:o 5lnh1lrmdeg2ghuun4n44f5moo5i0s0lh@4ax.com...
....snip
|
| Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
| primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system back
| and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
| (knock on wood).
|
| Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
| make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
| drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.
|
| I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
| to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
| time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
| ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)
|
| I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)
|
| Thanks again.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 6:12:50 PM

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PCR wrote:
> As Blanton said, BING will COPY only to free HDD space. (It will IMAGE
> to that or to a formatted partition.) Yea, sorry you/we couldn't get it
> fixed otherwise, but you've discovered the hardware works well, & it is
> well to keep a current backup.

'Imaging in' or restoring a partition yes the partition can have data on
it as it deletes/restores - but a copy one to the other using imager
programs is not at all like a normal copy/paste and instead called
"disk to disk" by most imager programs and is where the target partition
needs to be free space first and does not need to be formatted at all, also
it's an isolated sector level copy (partition format included) and not just
regular unisolated normal copy. I can't remember about BING where maybe
you have to use its extra companion programs to do it, and is why I prefer
Drive Image or True Image where they are 'all in one programs' and so you
just click the disk to disk button to sector level copy one complete HD or
its individual partitions to another HD's; or alternately you could create
and image and then restore it to the non-free space target but that's two
steps instead of a one step disk to disk ..but sometimes it's very very
useful in instances. I know you must know all this PCR and so I was just
talkin aloud bout details..

Rick


>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
> news:o 5lnh1lrmdeg2ghuun4n44f5moo5i0s0lh@4ax.com...
> ...snip
>|
>| Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
>| primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system back
>| and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
>| (knock on wood).
>|
>| Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
>| make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
>| drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.
>|
>| I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
>| to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
>| time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
>| ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)
>|
>| I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)
>|
>| Thanks again.
>|
>| Regards,
>|
>| Bill Watt
>| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 6:12:51 PM

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BING copies partitions just fine. It also images just fine, to a multitude
of storage options, though it's slow.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:%23aajuYksFHA.1788@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> PCR wrote:
>> As Blanton said, BING will COPY only to free HDD space. (It will IMAGE
>> to that or to a formatted partition.) Yea, sorry you/we couldn't get it
>> fixed otherwise, but you've discovered the hardware works well, & it is
>> well to keep a current backup.
>
> 'Imaging in' or restoring a partition yes the partition can have data on
> it as it deletes/restores - but a copy one to the other using imager
> programs is not at all like a normal copy/paste and instead called
> "disk to disk" by most imager programs and is where the target partition
> needs to be free space first and does not need to be formatted at all,
> also
> it's an isolated sector level copy (partition format included) and not
> just
> regular unisolated normal copy. I can't remember about BING where maybe
> you have to use its extra companion programs to do it, and is why I prefer
> Drive Image or True Image where they are 'all in one programs' and so you
> just click the disk to disk button to sector level copy one complete HD or
> its individual partitions to another HD's; or alternately you could create
> and image and then restore it to the non-free space target but that's two
> steps instead of a one step disk to disk ..but sometimes it's very very
> useful in instances. I know you must know all this PCR and so I was just
> talkin aloud bout details..
>
> Rick
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>> "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
>> news:o 5lnh1lrmdeg2ghuun4n44f5moo5i0s0lh@4ax.com...
>> ...snip
>>|
>>| Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
>>| primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system back
>>| and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
>>| (knock on wood).
>>|
>>| Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
>>| make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
>>| drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.
>>|
>>| I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
>>| to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
>>| time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
>>| ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)
>>|
>>| I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)
>>|
>>| Thanks again.
>>|
>>| Regards,
>>|
>>| Bill Watt
>>| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 7:55:44 PM

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"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:%23aajuYksFHA.1788@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| > As Blanton said, BING will COPY only to free HDD space. (It will
IMAGE
| > to that or to a formatted partition.) Yea, sorry you/we couldn't get
it
| > fixed otherwise, but you've discovered the hardware works well, & it
is
| > well to keep a current backup.
|
| 'Imaging in' or restoring a partition yes the partition can have data
on
| it as it deletes/restores - but a copy one to the other using imager
| programs is not at all like a normal copy/paste and instead called
| "disk to disk" by most imager programs and is where the target
partition
| needs to be free space first and does not need to be formatted at all,
also
| it's an isolated sector level copy (partition format included) and not
just
| regular unisolated normal copy. I can't remember about BING where
maybe
| you have to use its extra companion programs to do it, and is why I
prefer
| Drive Image or True Image where they are 'all in one programs' and so
you
| just click the disk to disk button to sector level copy one complete
HD or
| its individual partitions to another HD's; or alternately you could
create
| and image and then restore it to the non-free space target but that's
two
| steps instead of a one step disk to disk ..but sometimes it's very
very
| useful in instances. I know you must know all this PCR and so I was
just
| talkin aloud bout details..
|
| Rick

I know BING only, & really not all of it. (I still fully intend to Image
with it.) I believe it works as you say. An Image can go to various
media, & will be compressed on that media. It is unreadable, then,
except with Terabyte's TBIView, but that is slow I read.) It can be
restored to empty HDD space or to an existing partition. (If to an
existing partition, it may be wise to ensure it's size accomodates the
same cluster size as in the Image. Not sure whether BING has that
problem.) Yes, I believe that partition will be wiped & replaced.

COPY goes partition to free HDD space only, I think, & will be
readable/usable in Explorer. That's the one I do. In every case, as
Blanton said, yea, there needs to be enough space to hold what's coming.

|
|
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
| > news:o 5lnh1lrmdeg2ghuun4n44f5moo5i0s0lh@4ax.com...
| > ...snip
| >|
| >| Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
| >| primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system
back
| >| and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
| >| (knock on wood).
| >|
| >| Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
| >| make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
| >| drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.
| >|
| >| I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
| >| to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
| >| time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
| >| ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)
| >|
| >| I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)
| >|
| >| Thanks again.
| >|
| >| Regards,
| >|
| >| Bill Watt
| >| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anonymous
September 7, 2005 5:47:55 AM

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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:23:12 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
<bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:

>
>"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message news:o 5lnh1lrmdeg2ghuun4n44f5moo5i0s0lh@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:57:45 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
>> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
>
>> Mem test was ok, thanks for the links. It do take awhile.
>>
>> Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
>> primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system back
>> and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
>> (knock on wood).
>>
>> Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
>> make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
>> drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.
>>
>> I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
>> to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
>> time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
>> ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)
>
>It'll work across drives, but you have to have at least the copy
>part size of equal or greater "free space" on the other drive.
>You can't paste into an existing partition, even if it's empty.
>Copy > select other drive > paste
>
>
>> I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)
>>
>> Thanks again.
>
>You're welcome. Sorry you weren't able to clear up the problem
>on the old install...
>

I'm back to normal, after switching cables, pins, logical, primary
format and copy. I restored C: to the 80GB drive and no problems so
far. The 30GB drive is the backup again.
I'm still curious about the problem so I used Google's Microsoft
search and found this. It pertains to the error I was getting.
Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=256015#XSLTH31361211...

Seems it might be resolved with a patch.

Thanks to all for your interest and suggestions.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 7, 2005 4:09:26 PM

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Bill Watt wrote:

> I'm back to normal, after switching cables, pins, logical, primary
> format and copy. I restored C: to the 80GB drive and no problems so
> far. The 30GB drive is the backup again.
> I'm still curious about the problem so I used Google's Microsoft
> search and found this. It pertains to the error I was getting.
> Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=256015#XSLTH31361211...



That article does show the OE in VXD Vfat (01) error info, and I'm curious
was your error message showing the full one they show with:
0028:C004D86F in VXD VFAT(01) + 0000B897

Rick

> Seems it might be resolved with a patch.
>
> Thanks to all for your interest and suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Watt
> Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 7, 2005 8:07:27 PM

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Glad you solved it. That article...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256015&Product=w98
Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
....states the patch would supply (for Windows 98 SE)...
Ifsmgr.vxd v.4.10.2223, Date: 03/02/2000.

My version of the file is now... v.4.10.2225, Mod: Tuesday, September
19, 2000 12:57:46 PM. So, something has updated it again.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:kdush1dbuk9ge59up4s5onr2mpopv73jpn@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:23:12 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
| <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:o 5lnh1lrmdeg2ghuun4n44f5moo5i0s0lh@4ax.com...
| >> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:57:45 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
| >> <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:
| >
| >> Mem test was ok, thanks for the links. It do take awhile.
| >>
| >> Disconnected drive 1, made drive 2 (The backed up logical drive) a
| >> primary partition, made it active and it booted. Got the system
back
| >> and no problems so far. Several boots ok.
| >> (knock on wood).
| >>
| >> Now to connect drive 1 as slave, format it and copy 2 to 1. Then to
| >> make drive 2 drive 1. The drive I was using is 80GB and the back up
| >> drive is 30GB so I need to switch them.
| >>
| >> I tried Bootitng but found no way to copy one partition on a drive
| >> to another on a different drive. Seems to work on one drive at a
| >> time. I formatted E: on drive 1 in the attempt but Paste was still
| >> ghosted. Restored it with Copy/paste. :-)
| >
| >It'll work across drives, but you have to have at least the copy
| >part size of equal or greater "free space" on the other drive.
| >You can't paste into an existing partition, even if it's empty.
| >Copy > select other drive > paste
| >
| >
| >> I think I'll save the clean install Winnew folder. :-)
| >>
| >> Thanks again.
| >
| >You're welcome. Sorry you weren't able to clear up the problem
| >on the old install...
| >
|
| I'm back to normal, after switching cables, pins, logical, primary
| format and copy. I restored C: to the 80GB drive and no problems so
| far. The 30GB drive is the backup again.
| I'm still curious about the problem so I used Google's Microsoft
| search and found this. It pertains to the error I was getting.
| Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=256015#XSLTH31361211...
|
| Seems it might be resolved with a patch.
|
| Thanks to all for your interest and suggestions.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 7, 2005 10:51:06 PM

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PCR wrote:
> Glad you solved it. That article...
>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256015&Product=w98
> Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
> ...states the patch would supply (for Windows 98 SE)...
> Ifsmgr.vxd v.4.10.2223, Date: 03/02/2000.
>
> My version of the file is now... v.4.10.2225, Mod: Tuesday, September
> 19, 2000 12:57:46 PM. So, something has updated it again.
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR

Your and my version are the same file version/date, and tracking shows that
dated file we have was put there by installing the update called:
KB273017 = Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package, released 2001.
...of which that update replaced the same file put there by a previous
updated released back in 2000 called:
KB256015, MS00-017 - DOS Device in Path Name
...and before that the file was installed with the OS install itself which
of course has a filedate of 4/23/1999 for SE

At any rate 273017 has newer version & newer dated files than 256015 and so
when it comes to the article 256015 that Bill just posted I would imagine
273017 is moreso the latest resolve for any problems that involve that
particular file of Ifsmgr.vxd
...fwiw

Rick
Anonymous
September 7, 2005 11:07:14 PM

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:09:26 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
<justask@nospamz.com> wrote:

>Bill Watt wrote:
>
>> I'm back to normal, after switching cables, pins, logical, primary
>> format and copy. I restored C: to the 80GB drive and no problems so
>> far. The 30GB drive is the backup again.
>> I'm still curious about the problem so I used Google's Microsoft
>> search and found this. It pertains to the error I was getting.
>> Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=256015#XSLTH31361211...
>
>
>
>That article does show the OE in VXD Vfat (01) error info, and I'm curious
>was your error message showing the full one they show with:
>0028:C004D86F in VXD VFAT(01) + 0000B897
>
>Rick

Rick,

My error was:
Fatal exception OE in VXD Vfat (01). System halted. Wait or restart.
I don't believe there were any memory addresses. I think I would
have written them down like I did with the WDMAUD error.

There was an address in the Wdmaud error however.
Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07)

Still somewhat of a mystery.

Thanks,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 7, 2005 11:46:11 PM

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:07:27 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>Glad you solved it. That article...
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256015&Product=w98
>Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
>...states the patch would supply (for Windows 98 SE)...
>Ifsmgr.vxd v.4.10.2223, Date: 03/02/2000.
>
>My version of the file is now... v.4.10.2225, Mod: Tuesday, September
>19, 2000 12:57:46 PM. So, something has updated it again.

My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.
Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM

Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
system. Which has now been restored.

I have applied no patches or updates to Win 98 SE.

Good detective work..... Although the Patch may not apply to my
error, I don't know.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 8, 2005 1:55:40 PM

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Bill Watt wrote:

> My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.

You mean that's your version model number of the file, of which 4.10.2222
is the old original stock OS install version number, and which means there
are a number of operational updates made solving a few problems besides
what I've mentioned previously, that your system does not have installed.

> Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
> Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
>
> Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
> system. Which has now been restored.

What did you use to make your backup?
Yes that is interesting the file date is the date of your backup, and
shows either that your backup is not a real 'partition image backup' as it
should be as known and done by todays modern imager programs which will
keep 'all things' original including dates when restored, and that either
you just did a simple copy/paste of it across systems which gives the copy
of the file/s a new current date, or, a very few other instances.

> I have applied no patches or updates to Win 98 SE.

Never? ..since its original install?

> Good detective work..... Although the Patch may not apply to my
> error, I don't know.

...agreed we may never know if it would have applied to your error in the
original situation you had going while it happened.

Anyway, glad you got it going again.

Rick

> Regards,
>
> Bill Watt
> Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 8, 2005 4:14:28 PM

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Yes, the article Q256015 itself hints the fix will be carried to later
versions of Ifsmgr.vxd. Uhuh, I see in "START button, Run, QFECheck,
W98.SE branch", indeed I have taken UPD273017, & it supplied the second
update to Ifsmgr.vxd. It also indicates only Ifsmgr.vxd is involved in
both updates, as far as files are concerned (& probably that's all it
is). Thanks for the info/confirmation.

Let me see what Watt wrote... Oooo, he is a lowly v.4.10.2222, Mod April
23, 1999 10:22:00 PM! That's the original, flawed Win98SE file! He needs
a serious session at Windows Update! The site will determine whether to
offer both 256015 & 273017 or just the latter.

BUT, it's good to have a full system backup w/o Windows Updates. Now, he
may take the big ones one at a time, to see whether any is a ton of
trouble.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:uPuaU7$sFHA.1132@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| > Glad you solved it. That article...
| >
|
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256015&Product=w98
| > Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
| > ...states the patch would supply (for Windows 98 SE)...
| > Ifsmgr.vxd v.4.10.2223, Date: 03/02/2000.
| >
| > My version of the file is now... v.4.10.2225, Mod: Tuesday,
September
| > 19, 2000 12:57:46 PM. So, something has updated it again.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
|
| Your and my version are the same file version/date, and tracking shows
that
| dated file we have was put there by installing the update called:
| KB273017 = Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package, released 2001.
| ..of which that update replaced the same file put there by a previous
| updated released back in 2000 called:
| KB256015, MS00-017 - DOS Device in Path Name
| ..and before that the file was installed with the OS install itself
which
| of course has a filedate of 4/23/1999 for SE
|
| At any rate 273017 has newer version & newer dated files than 256015
and so
| when it comes to the article 256015 that Bill just posted I would
imagine
| 273017 is moreso the latest resolve for any problems that involve that
| particular file of Ifsmgr.vxd
| ..fwiw
|
| Rick
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anonymous
September 8, 2005 4:39:53 PM

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:kvsuh15129ij2sl419614q1a9aao06k89f@4ax.com...
| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:07:27 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
| >Glad you solved it. That article...
|
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256015&Product=
w98
| >Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
| >...states the patch would supply (for Windows 98 SE)...
| >Ifsmgr.vxd v.4.10.2223, Date: 03/02/2000.
| >
| >My version of the file is now... v.4.10.2225, Mod: Tuesday, September
| >19, 2000 12:57:46 PM. So, something has updated it again.
|
| My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.
| Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
| Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM

That is twice old! It's the original file, &, by the article you posted,
could be the culprit, all right. This means you likely did a full system
backup directly after a fresh install. That's good! You are free of the
perils of fresh install, & may do periodic backups, BEFORE taking some
of the larger Windows Updates, like DirectX.

|
| Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
| system. Which has now been restored.

Sounds like you are using Windows or DOS, in some way to do your
restore, which would update Creation date. If you used something that
did track/sector/whatever operations, Windows/DOS wouldn't be involved.

But, are you sure you didn't SFC or EXTRACT that file after the restore
of your system? Do a whole bundle of Windows files have that Creation
date?

|
| I have applied no patches or updates to Win 98 SE.
|
| Good detective work..... Although the Patch may not apply to my
| error, I don't know.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 2:38:33 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Reply inline.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:55:40 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
<justask@nospamz.com> wrote:

>Bill Watt wrote:
>
>> My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.
>
>You mean that's your version model number of the file, of which 4.10.2222
>is the old original stock OS install version number, and which means there
>are a number of operational updates made solving a few problems besides
>what I've mentioned previously, that your system does not have installed.
>
>> Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
>> Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
>>
>> Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
>> system. Which has now been restored.
>
>What did you use to make your backup?

I used Maxtor's Partition Copy utility that I got with the drive.
That's also what I used to Restore the C: partition from drive two
to one.

>Yes that is interesting the file date is the date of your backup, and
>shows either that your backup is not a real 'partition image backup' as it
>should be as known and done by todays modern imager programs which will
>keep 'all things' original including dates when restored, and that either
>you just did a simple copy/paste of it across systems which gives the copy
>of the file/s a new current date, or, a very few other instances.

The only dates that are changed are the folders, files retain their
dates.

>> I have applied no patches or updates to Win 98 SE.
>
>Never? ..since its original install?

Right, never. I have not even performed a clean install, only
upgrades since Dos 3.1. I think one time I over-installed though.
Granted I have a lot of unused files on the system but I keep
cleaning them out. It would take forever to re-install all the
software.

>> Good detective work..... Although the Patch may not apply to my
>> error, I don't know.
>
>..agreed we may never know if it would have applied to your error in the
>original situation you had going while it happened.

Yes, too bad, I really wanted to fix it and find out what caused it.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 2:53:38 AM

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Reply inline.
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:39:53 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
>news:kvsuh15129ij2sl419614q1a9aao06k89f@4ax.com...
>| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:07:27 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>|
>| >Glad you solved it. That article...
>|
>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256015&Product=
>w98
>| >Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
>| >...states the patch would supply (for Windows 98 SE)...
>| >Ifsmgr.vxd v.4.10.2223, Date: 03/02/2000.
>| >
>| >My version of the file is now... v.4.10.2225, Mod: Tuesday, September
>| >19, 2000 12:57:46 PM. So, something has updated it again.
>|
>| My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.
>| Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
>| Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
>
>That is twice old! It's the original file, &, by the article you posted,
>could be the culprit, all right. This means you likely did a full system
>backup directly after a fresh install. That's good! You are free of the
>perils of fresh install, & may do periodic backups, BEFORE taking some
>of the larger Windows Updates, like DirectX.

I backup the entire system every few days, this was a normal backup.
no fresh install involved.

>| Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
>| system. Which has now been restored.
>
>Sounds like you are using Windows or DOS, in some way to do your
>restore, which would update Creation date. If you used something that
>did track/sector/whatever operations, Windows/DOS wouldn't be involved.
>
>But, are you sure you didn't SFC or EXTRACT that file after the restore
>of your system? Do a whole bundle of Windows files have that Creation
>date?

Have not used SFC or extracted anything recently. The backup and
restore with the Maxtor Partition Copy utility only changes the
folder dates, file dates are not changed.

>| I have applied no patches or updates to Win 98 SE.
>|
>| Good detective work..... Although the Patch may not apply to my
>| error, I don't know.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 2:10:02 PM

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
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|
| Reply inline.
| On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:39:53 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
| >"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message
| >news:kvsuh15129ij2sl419614q1a9aao06k89f@4ax.com...
| >| On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:07:27 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net>
wrote:
| >|
| >| >Glad you solved it. That article...
| >|
|
>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256015&Product
=
| >w98
| >| >Fatal Exception 0E with Multiple MS-DOS Device Names in Path
| >| >...states the patch would supply (for Windows 98 SE)...
| >| >Ifsmgr.vxd v.4.10.2223, Date: 03/02/2000.
| >| >
| >| >My version of the file is now... v.4.10.2225, Mod: Tuesday,
September
| >| >19, 2000 12:57:46 PM. So, something has updated it again.
| >|
| >| My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.
| >| Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
| >| Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
| >
| >That is twice old! It's the original file, &, by the article you
posted,
| >could be the culprit, all right. This means you likely did a full
system
| >backup directly after a fresh install. That's good! You are free of
the
| >perils of fresh install, & may do periodic backups, BEFORE taking
some
| >of the larger Windows Updates, like DirectX.
|
| I backup the entire system every few days, this was a normal backup.
| no fresh install involved.

I understand now you do not do Windows Updates. That also explains why
the file would be the original one. I think you should update it per the
fix posted elsewhere, uhhhh... KB273017 = Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache
Package. Certainly do so, IF you ever see that VFAT error again!

|
| >| Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
| >| system. Which has now been restored.
| >
| >Sounds like you are using Windows or DOS, in some way to do your
| >restore, which would update Creation date. If you used something that
| >did track/sector/whatever operations, Windows/DOS wouldn't be
involved.
| >
| >But, are you sure you didn't SFC or EXTRACT that file after the
restore
| >of your system? Do a whole bundle of Windows files have that Creation
| >date?
|
| Have not used SFC or extracted anything recently. The backup and
| restore with the Maxtor Partition Copy utility only changes the
| folder dates, file dates are not changed.

Something has changed the Creation Date of your Ifsmgr.vxd to a recent
date... August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM. The file must have been copied to a
location on that date in Windows or in DOS. I guess that could have
happened on the same date-- but just before-- the partition was backed
up by the Maxtor Partition Copy utility.

|
| >| I have applied no patches or updates to Win 98 SE.
| >|
| >| Good detective work..... Although the Patch may not apply to my
| >| error, I don't know.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 3:53:58 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

Bill Watt wrote:
> Reply inline.
>
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:55:40 -0400, "Rick Chauvin" wrote:

[...]

>>What did you use to make your backup?
>
> I used Maxtor's Partition Copy utility that I got with the drive.
> That's also what I used to Restore the C: partition from drive two
> to one.

I've never used that program even though I do have a bunch of the MaxBlast
CD's that came with the HD's and it must be on there somewhere I imagine.
I use True Image from acronis as well as previous version of Drive Image
from powerquest.

>>Yes that is interesting the file date is the date of your backup, and
>>shows either that your backup is not a real 'partition image backup' as
>>it should be as known and done by todays modern imager programs which
>>will keep 'all things' original including dates when restored, and that
>>either you just did a simple copy/paste of it across systems which gives
>>the copy of the file/s a new current date, or, a very few other
>>instances.
>
> The only dates that are changed are the folders, files retain their
> dates.

...no biggy here and I don't mean to prolong my part in this post, but you
even said and questioned already that it does change files dates:

> Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
> system. Which has now been restored.
>
> My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.
> Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
> Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM

...but anyway a true Partition Image Backup program will not change Anything
whatsoever and restores everything just as it was - as it should do. I do
remember someone here once though (iirc it was Lil' Dave) that had a
W98/WXP dual boot setup where his WXP/NTFS & W9x/FAT32 using DriveImage to
image/restore and System Commander iirc as his boot program, and his
particular setup changed folder dates as well but I can't recall now if it
did filedates too - I think it did, but I always thought it was odd and
somehow due to something within his unique setup.

[...]

...anyway take care Bill and have a good weekend.

Rick
Anonymous
September 10, 2005 2:31:10 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:10:02 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

SNIP

>I understand now you do not do Windows Updates. That also explains why
>the file would be the original one. I think you should update it per the
>fix posted elsewhere, uhhhh... KB273017 = Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache
>Package. Certainly do so, IF you ever see that VFAT error again!

I'll try that just before I do a restore. :-)

SNIP

>Something has changed the Creation Date of your Ifsmgr.vxd to a recent
>date... August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM. The file must have been copied to a
>location on that date in Windows or in DOS. I guess that could have
>happened on the same date-- but just before-- the partition was backed
>up by the Maxtor Partition Copy utility.

That's what I think too. Perhaps a program changed it. :-)

SNIP

Thanks,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
Anonymous
September 10, 2005 2:39:51 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion (More info?)

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:53:58 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
<justask@nospamz.com> wrote:

>Bill Watt wrote:
>> Reply inline.
>>
>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:55:40 -0400, "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>>What did you use to make your backup?
>>
>> I used Maxtor's Partition Copy utility that I got with the drive.
>> That's also what I used to Restore the C: partition from drive two
>> to one.
>
>I've never used that program even though I do have a bunch of the MaxBlast
>CD's that came with the HD's and it must be on there somewhere I imagine.
>I use True Image from acronis as well as previous version of Drive Image
>from powerquest.
>
>>>Yes that is interesting the file date is the date of your backup, and
>>>shows either that your backup is not a real 'partition image backup' as
>>>it should be as known and done by todays modern imager programs which
>>>will keep 'all things' original including dates when restored, and that
>>>either you just did a simple copy/paste of it across systems which gives
>>>the copy of the file/s a new current date, or, a very few other
>>>instances.
>>
>> The only dates that are changed are the folders, files retain their
>> dates.
>
>..no biggy here and I don't mean to prolong my part in this post, but you
>even said and questioned already that it does change files dates:
>
>> Of interest is the creation date, it's the day I backed up the
>> system. Which has now been restored.
>>
>> My ifsmgr.vxd file is dated 4.10.2222.
>> Created August 19, 2005 12:31:35 AM
>> Modified April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
>
>..but anyway a true Partition Image Backup program will not change Anything
>whatsoever and restores everything just as it was - as it should do. I do
>remember someone here once though (iirc it was Lil' Dave) that had a
>W98/WXP dual boot setup where his WXP/NTFS & W9x/FAT32 using DriveImage to
>image/restore and System Commander iirc as his boot program, and his
>particular setup changed folder dates as well but I can't recall now if it
>did filedates too - I think it did, but I always thought it was odd and
>somehow due to something within his unique setup.
>
>[...]
>
>..anyway take care Bill and have a good weekend.

You too Rick. I'm glad to be rid of that VFAT error, at least for
now.

Backup Backup Backup Backup :-)

Thanks,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
!