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abcnets wrote:
> Thanks Rick,
>
> ... for reminding me to install by GROUP Order - I seem to remember that
>
-).
> I feel the same way about the reboots as you.
>
> I forgot to mention I DON'T have any MS Update CD - I'm going to update
> from the MS Update site - and I DID install SUN's JAVA v1.42 I believe.
> Can't remember IF I removed MS's JAVA. I was going to! I 'was'
> thinking of installing updates by date - and one at a time, and have
> been delaying the inevitable frustration.
I finally did the Sun Java as well, but did the latest version which is
jre-1_5_0_04-windows-i586-p.exe and not the older version you mention of
j2re-1_4_2_08-windows-i586-p.exe. I left the MS v5.00.3810 - msjavwu.exe
still installed because as you know you can switch back and forth between
MS and Sun via the CP applet; but I just leave it on Sun these days but my
Internet Zone is java restricted anyway so only the few trusted zone sites
get Java'd
> It's amazing how little UP-FRONT help MS provides to clear up this issue
> of install order. Someone correct me if I'm wrong (it's been a while),
> but that sort of info is usually deeply imbedded in the acompanying docs
> of say a service pack, etc. - that is NOT visible to the ordinary user
> until the doc file is 'extracted' during the actual install / upgrade -
> which is TOO late - from what I remember - or until the doc file is
> first manually 'extracted'.
>
> MS ought to make it simple for users: MS DOES do a scan of our PCs to see
> what is already installed & then DOES lists a group of 'required' and/or
> 'recommended' updates or 'Service Packs', etc. MS should be able to
> tell us - UP FRONT - install THIS, then THIS, etc. But NOOOO!, MS would
> rather have users PAY for that info - when we ALREADY pay dearly in
> fru$tration. Anyone from MS care to 'enlighten' me or provide MS's
> perspective? Hmmm? From a PAST CNE / MSCE wannabe!
> ... and NOW I RANT! - on MS's own site. lol AM I wrong? Have
> 'things' changed?
whoa whoa, that is not how I feel.
They sent out the CD totally Free to anyone who wanted it months ago. I'm
not sure if you can still get it at this late date, but I've seen one MVP
(Gary) be so kind as to send others his copies even.
Also Windows Update is recommended for most people and it does everything
for you, and one doesn't really have to think about all the things you have
asked about nor should they and it's too complicated for the common folk,
and so for the CD and a free Windows Update is helpfully given and is
really good and should be commended and used.
But for those techs who like to use the WU 'Catalogue Basket' and pick and
choose things themselves (like I do
) ..then we should know what to do
and I don't really expect for MS to hand hold me or us to do that really,
so I think your rant may be a little misplaced but you are entitled to your
feelings of course.
> This is actually my FIRST post Here. (well 2nd, w/ this reply).
Welcome to the group.
> I could list ALL 23 required updates but it's probably a moot point.
Yep, and I listed it all once, but as mentioned it's more like 40ish
> Anyone else got any good ideas?
>
> Do MS Techs monitor and answer Forum questions?
Remember All Techs and MVP's here are Volunteers and do so to be kind and
helpful and share - so be very kind to them and thankful for all you
receive here
..and no yelling at anyone <g>
Take care,
Rick
> C'mon MS, what's the BEST way to install YOUR #$%&*@ updates?
>
> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
>
>> abcnets wrote:
>> > These questions may seem stupid - but I have a total of 23 'Critical'
>> > and 'Highly Critical' Updates to install on a relatively 'fresh'
>> > Windows 98 SE system.
>> >
>> > How do I determine in WHAT order they should be installed?
>> >
>> > What's the secret?
>> >
>> > Do I just select all of them & let Microsoft determine the order - a
>> > SCARY thought to me!
>> >
>> > Or do I First select / install ALL the 'Highly Critical' Updates
>> > first, followed by ALL the 'Critical' Updates?
>> >
>> > Are there any Caveats? or some that SHOULDN'T be installed?
>> >
>> > Are there KNOWN bugs in some of the updates?
>> >
>> > THANKS in advance for any help!
>>
>> First of all, if you use the CD from MS to install the updates,
>> recommended, then you don't have to think of any of your questions.
>>
>> If you install them individually and have the wherewithall, what I've
>> done after fresh installs of W98 (actually there are about 40 updates
>> between Windows, IE, OE, Scripts, Java, DirectX, etc.. ) ..but what
>> I've always done is installed the Windows group first - and then in
>> order of above.. and I did them all in order of their release dates
>> (digital signature) The thought doing by date was logical for a number
>> of reasons.
>>
>> If when installing the Windows updates individually most call for
>> reboots after each one and even though I personally did a dozen at a
>> time just with those, I would tell someone else to do them one at a
>> time just in case there was a conflict with what needs to transpire for
>> each during reboot, where if done with a dozen at a time with all the
>> different tasks taking place on one reboot - you wouldn't want
>> conflicts, if any.
>>
>> Rick
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