you know, the president dude...
i'm just curious because here in europe, everybody HATES him (talking general)
and i wonder what people from other countries say
also i would like to see some explenations of your choices
:!: keep the peace :!:
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Isn't like-hate an oxymoron? [/pedantic]
Shouldn't your location by Airstrip One? [/Orwellian]
What's that smell? It smells a bit like flatulence... [/predictive]
just me repeating myself...
:!: keep the peace :!:
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are you sixteen and is english your fourth language?
no?
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Does no-one in Belgium have a sense of humour?
well actually...
sorry dude i'm a bit offensive...
added the neutral poll
I think we should bomb you for being a 'tard.
Gets a big thumbs-up from me.
Like I give a flying fu[b][/b]ck what someone in Belgium that dosen't want to be there thinks of my opinion?!?!
Remove the whole Iraq thing and Bush would be considered a great president and I'd say he's far better off than Clinton.
Even with Iraq, if the Media around here wasn't so liberal, I don't think it would be like it is. Plus, what's happening in Iraq is also fueled by the Media, endless cycle.
Pro Bush. I voted for him twice. My country, my choices.
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Does no-one in Belgium have a sense of humour?
Well, Belgians have a sense of humor but it's really alien to anything you might faintly recognize. Sadly their sense of humor is completely overshadowed by a self-imposed inferiority complex. As a friendly neighbor we leave them to revel in their self-pity.
Belgium. Jesus, I'd rather live in Luxembourg. 8O
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Does no-one in Belgium have a sense of humour?
Well, Belgians have a sense of humor but it's really alien to anything you might faintly recognize. Sadly their sense of humor is completely overshadowed by a self-imposed inferiority complex. As a friendly neighbor we leave them to revel in their self-pity.
lol
i can say a lot of you dude
Hmm, but they have good waffles.
Yeah, the waffles are good.
Everytime I think of waffles, I think of the scene in Shrek, "I'M MAKING WAFFLES!"
A donkey making Belgium waffles.. nice.
Yes, I know. Just like Bush makes good beer.
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im pro bush, but neatly trimmed bush, not seventies porno bush.
Don't like em' looking like they have BuckWheat caught in a leg lock??
Are the Little Rascals/Our gang references out of Date?...Am I ...Behind the times?
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I'd say, give it your best shot.
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A. You can't remove Iraq.
B. If you could, he'd still be one of the worst...ever. Wait a few years until
the books flood the market on the sh*t he's done on behalf of his corporate cronies.
C. Media? Liberal? Pleeeeease. You have Fox, Rush, Hannity, Savage and all those
other a**holes. Anytime something is reported that doesn't favor Republicans,
it's considered "liberal".
I seem to recall nearly a decade ago not be able to read or watch the news
without the "liberal" media tearing Clinton a new one.
D. Grow up.
The Dem.s have taken a left wing power....... JFK was more conservative than the conservatives of today....... FDR was the same....
From the late 60s to early 70s the peace love hippy doves (Dem.s) have embraced socialism & would give up our sovereignty in a heart beat..... No, the Democratic party I used to vote for back then, no longer exists......
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I'd say, give it your best shot.
lol, well here are some things we belgians say about you guys:
-waaaay to loud
-to fond of cheese (omg is that a cheeseburger in your avatar? 8O
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-you have waaay to much mills in your country
-just watch the austin powers movies 8)
i guess you say about us that we're greedy and such, that's not true
but hey! my arguments are probably not true neither
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Not only do you have an inferiority complex (check out your location again) but you also have a reading problem, check out my previous posts.
Please tell me this wasn't your best shot because otherwise I have to come back on my previous statement. In other words, you probably do not have an inferiority complex, you're just inferior.
Please try again
O btw, did you read the stickies in this forum yet? We have this particular character here that loves people with inferiority complexes, although he prefers them cold and stiff.
...*enters, wiping remains of Rolf Harris off thick co[b][/b]ck*...
You should have left Rolf on there and asked "Can you tell what it is yet?" [/predictable]
Oh no. I'm not going to get drawn into Rolf Harris' naff lines.
Now Bruce Forsythe, that's a different story.....
| Quote : Belgium. Jesus, I'd rather live in Luxembourg. 8O |
Hell, yeah. You should see how much my company pays Fortis Interust every month. Nice work if you can get it.
If it wasn't such a dull country, I'd go and become a notary there.
| Quote : I think we should bomb you for being a 'tard. |
..*Richter scale measurable FART!*..
I doubt it'll be "nice to see you, to see you nice"! when you whip your chopper out in front of him.
You can understand why they brew such strong beer. Makes them forget they actually live, albeit for a brief while. Then it's back to dullness.
Do you think I should raise said chopper 'Higher!' or 'Lower!'?
Oh, "higher" definitely. Then, when you knock his syrup off, we can go "Good Game, good game".
Clinton deserved to get ripped on personally. He did some stupid stuff outside of the political spectrum.
Bush on the other hand is being ripped on, called names, personally attacked, for his political choices. Personal attacks against him are not fair.
Personal attacks on Clinton, in my opinion, were fair. It was his personal choices directly effecting him.
Have you not seen the stock market? Have you not paid attention to the economy? Its doing great because of Bush's tax cuts. Realize what Clinton did to appear to make the economy doing well.
He cut the military's spending, which resulted in a surplus on the budget but didn't bother paying down the deficit when he had the extra capital saved from cutting the military.
Check your facts on that one.
Bush, by cutting taxes, gives everyone extra cash. Corporations are investing their money into the stock market. Anyone in the stock market has probably seen some kind of profit in the 3 years of continuing yearly growth on the market.
I know my personal mutual fund has grown along with my 401k.
All this even with two wars going on, the economy does well. Clinton left office with the economy going into a recession because he was more concerned about leaving a legacy than doing the Country and economy right.
While he did manage to push good things through, other things screwed up.
North Korea? What a screw up on his policy on that one.
Afghanistan? Again, what a screw up on his part.
Bush comes in, doesn't agree with what was going on and now is putting his foot down.
Unfortunately, these wars are over due and I'd rather them happen today than tomorrow when nuclear weapons may be more predominately available.
Under Bush, I was also able to attend college while I struggled for 2 years dealing with Clinton's bullshit with education.
I took my current job because the recession of Clinton's presidency effected my employer so much. I watched hundreds of people get laid off. My job was secure, but I knew getting a pay increase was unlikely because of the years ahead to rebuild what was lost.
The American people, at large, are stupid, which is why I believe Bush's approval rating is low.
He's pushing for good things, trying to make things happen.
Don't tell me to grow up because you don't like my point of view. That's just childish.
I'd like to squirt a "Brucie Bonus' on his shiny bonce.
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The stock market moves on it's own pretty much regardless of what any president
does.
Clinton screwed up N Korea, huh? Odd how Bush can't even get them to the table,
never mind get concessions out of them. Perhaps, had he not publicly belittled
them and canceled the agreement when he took office...all Clinton's fault I'm sure.
Why are Republicans still running against Clinton?
As for military cuts, if memory serves, either Cheney or Rumsfield actually
recommended cutting its budget in the late 80's or early 90's.
Bush's to-do list is nothing but failure after failure. Except the part where his
friends get rich.
He hasn't lived up to his promises made to the religious right. Katrina was a
global embarrassment. Iraq is a bigger mess everyday. The Taliban is making
inroads again in Afghanistan, we've lost all credibility with the world, and most
importantly, this lovely economy you like so much...is slowing. It ran on
people refinancing and now people are maxed out. Oh, and now we owe
China in the area of a F*CKING TRILLION DOLLARS. Clinton's fault?
As for taxes, on a federal level they may be lower for some, but overall they're
higher for most. I can promise you as a household in the low (very) six figures,
I pay more overall than just 5 years ago.
A conservative President? Damn, I'd LOVE one.
I agree that Bush has helped America's economy along. I also agree that Clinton was not a good president by comparison either.
However, now that North Korea has (allegedly) nuclear capability again...
To start off with, the UN is a waste of time. It has had THREE chances since WW1 - in various forms - and the only thing the UN does during any conflict is sit off to one side and criticize.
Secondly, America abused nuclear technology to END WW2. What should have happened then was to dismantle any/all nuclear armament programs. Instead, America and Russia decided to have a penis competition.
This situation then got even MORE out of hand.
The upshot of the matter is, if Bush wants to actually do something GOOD, then he must forget about Iraq and middle east until he has removed the nuclear threat.
Discuss.
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As an Australian who has strong beliefs about the good-naturedness of the United States, I say wholeheartedly that the United States provides much positivity for the world. There is a flip side to that coin: I dont agree with all of what the US has come to represent, nor do I believe in certain statesmen and women who are at the fore of the US sociological and cultural scene.
George Bush is one of them; and to not leave the ladies out, Marthur Stewart is another. I also include the classic case of corporate America gone wrong, "ENRON", in talking about things and people that are mistaken.
Again, as my US mates know, I am pro-US. I was pro the war in Iraq and still believe it was the right course of action. But does that mean I am not disillusioned with the farcical case made for war? You bet your ass I am (weapons of mass destruction, anybody? Please!)
; the real reasons of resource stability and, just as importantly, the spread of democracy and pro-Western relations are vital to the future stability of the world.
Fascism has been proven wrong. Islamo-fascism, (to name but one kind), must be countered and Iraq was a vital link in improving that chain of international relations.
So, as an Australian who strongly believes in having excellent US-Aus relations, I tell you that the W in George "Dubya" Bush stands for:
WRONG!
1) The UN can't force a nation into anything, and that is what makes it worthwhile. The socio-economic and other important factors that lead to war cannot just be discounted or rectified by the UN or any organization. Wars happen for a reason.
2) The UN has been a stabilizing influence, a huge one especially in light of...
3) Nuclear weapons. They're awesome. And not only in the true biblical sense of the word. They are the ultimate end-game, world-destruction move that makes our world what it is today.
The truth is, armed conflict is no longer practical on any massive scale. War, like it was fought before, and conquest are no longer possible. Humanity is forced to use economy and diplomacy.
Ask yourself this: do you really think a cold war would've been possible without nuclear weapons. No. In the absence of The Bomb, World War 3 would have been a certainty sometime before 1970. And another one after that. And another, until a clear winner was decided or all was lost.
And when we deny a nation the right to nuclear weapons, we deny them true sovereignty. (A good thing for us in light of what those nations represent)
The situation rather appeals to me, in fact. It's very direct. No lies, no hypocrisy and no pussyfooting Either we, as humanity, are worthy and we learn to live. Live together, live in peace.
Or, we die. Spectacularly. Not through providence or meteor or sun explosion or something else we can blame, no, we die by our own hand, through something of our own device.
It'd be beautiful if I wasn't almost sure that our chance of survival is close to 0.
...*gurgles to the political, dogmatic snorkius*...
"dogmatic"
Just wonderful!
Love it! Just love it!
First year uni all over again and in a good sense to, mate.
just watched "fahrenheit nine eleven"
any of you watched it?
i think there are probably some things true but dude, this guy is exaggerating 8O
don't get me wrong, i'm not total bush-hater but i think he went wrong in the Iraq thing, and that's why so many people don't like him here.
| Quote : To start off with, the UN is a waste of time. It has had THREE chances since WW1 - in various forms - and the only thing the UN does during any conflict is sit off to one side and criticize. |
hate to say it, but you are so right. the UN has no power
Out of interest, why would one be "unfortunate" to live in Belgium?
Mate, you have STELLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Focking good enough reason to be happy right there, mate.
By the way, If I want a balanced perspective then I dont watch Michael Moore movies.
Just my opinion.
| Quote : hate to say it, but you are so right. the UN has no power |
GAH!
Again with the stupid!
What sort of power do you wish it had? The power to be a non-legitimate US mouthpiece? That's not how international relations work!
The UN is not there to force countries into submission, even when the majority of countries will it, otherwise the invasion of Iraq wouldn't have happened. The UN is there to provide a means for constructive dialog among all the different nations, the good, the bad, the ones you don't agree with, the ones that don't agree with you... ALL nations. And the very different points of view of those nations make it impossible to agree on anything really important, hence the "no power".
BUT. THAT. IS. THE. WHOLE. FOCKING. POINT.
A UN completely under the control of western civilization, with its purpose the spreading of "western" values, would be completely illegitimate, non-functional and useless.
I completely agree, Snorky.
Nicely done.
| Quote : I agree that Bush has helped America's economy along. |
By cutting taxes mainly for the rich, using Reagan era "trickle-down" ideas?
The same thing Bush's own father called "Voodoo economics" when he was running?
The 90's boom was helped in great part by policies put in place late in Bush Sr
term in office. But overall, the economy is cyclical. If in fact the current Bushco
had anything to do with this current economy, just wait until the bill comes due. Plus
interest. You want to talk about taxes...
| Quote : A UN completely under the control of western civilization, with its purpose the spreading of "western" values, would be completely illegitimate, non-functional and useless. |
Spot on.
NK developed the bomb under Clinton's watch. They came out and said they had an active nuclear program. That's not something you just start up over night. It began under Clinton.
The Stock Market is growing thanks for the tax cuts, which gives a lot of companies and people money to invest, generating revenue for more companies to expand, hire people, etc.
Unemployment is at historic lows right now.
Small business is taking off.
The economy is in great shape aside from a soft housing market, which had been going up way too much anyhow and this is expected.
Afghanistan, if you recall, needed to happen and was the American's demand to go for Osama. Don't blame Bush for that one. If you think the Taliban coming back is Bush's fault, then you're an idiot. Bush flat out states that the Generals on the ground determine what happens, how many troops, etc.
You have to blame the Generals on the ground for faults in Afghanistan.
As is the same with Iraq. Bush doesn't study war, he puts the military there to do their job. Blame the Generals for their failures.
Very typical of an American society. Blame the President and hold no one else to fault. The President makes the decision to act. It falls upon the people below him to make the choices.
I dislike when someone blindly accuses a single person for a vast majority of things like a war in Iraq.
Yes, he put us there. The people below him claimed they were able to handle it.
Who do you trust? Hindsight is 20/20 as they. When Iraq started, I don't believe too many people were saying we shouldn't go in there.
Its easy to say lets do something.. Tell the President to go for Osama, then back out when the going gets a little tough.
Here I was last night watching the History channel. A 5,000 strong US marine invading force lands on a beach.. within hours, 1,500 are casualities.
Today, the American people are quick to turn and run. Their Will is weak. We're in a war, doesn't matter how we got there, we're there. Deal with it.
Regardless, I'm glad Saddam is out. I beleive he had more control of being organized and capable of acquiring WMD than Al Qaeda is.
As far as Katrina.. He put someone in charge who he felt was capable. You know what? Shit like that happens all the time.
Red Tape caught the whole thing up.
I was talking to a friend who's brother is serving in Iraq. He had to have his own tools shipped to him in Iraq because his vehicles were breaking down and he didn't have any tools to fix them.
The money is there. The equipment is available. The hold up is the paperwork.
That's overall gov't to blame, not any single person.
You may pay more now than 5 years ago, but how much have you increased pay in 5 years? are you in a new tax bracket, etc? Did you figure that into why you're paying more?
Honestly, I'd hope you pay more each year. That means you're making more money each year.
| Quote : NK developed the bomb under Clinton's watch. They came out and said they had an active nuclear program. That's not something you just start up over night. It began under Clinton.
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If one were to read your post they might think that you're saying one person is responsible for the items you noted. Red for Clinton, blue for Bush. Yet the statement in bold notes that you dislike it when someone blindly accuses a single person for a vast majority of things. From your statements though, it would appear that it is OK to give credit to Bush for positive effects, yet one cannot do the same for negative effects.
If you believe the statement you made in bold, then the same principle would hold true for the statement about Clinton and NK but it doesn't appear that way from your post.
...*bleats to the angry, temperamental snorkius*...
I'm referring to the Administration of each, not a single person. How many people truly know who all is in the seat with the President? Hardly anyone.
I never mentioned "Bush" for anything in blue. Though, you could take it as a Republican action.
Clinton though, did have more of a direct role in NK. In my opinion, he was sugar coating it and appeasing people without really solving anything except the media's concern.
Though, under Clinton's admin, NK did start and continue nuclear technology.
You mention the stock market rising during the Bush43 tenure. The Clinton years were MUCH more prosperous to stockholders!
Here is the most important reason that Bush has earned my support:
How many successful terrorist attacks have occurred in the U.S. since 9/11?
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