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May 9, 2006 5:36:42 AM

Which is better?

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May 9, 2006 6:13:16 AM

Not sure yet. Have not got to compare both on my 65" HD Toshiba.
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May 9, 2006 7:55:17 AM

HD DVD is layered after the DVD format, but on much higher density. Advantages: doesn't require as much investment to redesign production facilities.
Inconvenients: somewhat limited in its versatility, lower capacity (15 Gb per layer, max 6 layers on 2 faces - requires flipping the disc, 90 Gb max capacity).

Blu-Ray is a completely new technology.
Advantages: Higher storage capacity (25Gb on a single layer, able to stack as much as 8 layers on one disc without flipping it over, max 200 Gb capacity), redesigned from scratch for versatility.
Inconvenients: extensive redesigning of manufacturing plants, reading is somewhat slower than HDDVD.
May 15, 2006 11:24:41 AM

Whatever.. I will buy both.
May 15, 2006 12:19:04 PM

the both have their advantages however i think bluray is the better simply because of the capacity, but very large firms are supporting each format, such as sony for bluray and m$ and hollywood support HDDVD so i dont see wither format dying out soon after they come to market in full swing
May 15, 2006 12:22:09 PM

And you know what?
HDDVD will be a winner here. However, BD will get into storage and wont loose out as well. But for Media - HDDVD will be superhit.
May 15, 2006 12:28:04 PM

i agree with that
May 15, 2006 12:57:52 PM

there is loads of copy portection on HD-DVD as afar as ive heard hence the reason m$ and hollywood support it, i have heard tale of a system that prevents copying build into the hardware and that dynamically updates itself from new movie disks and such as people find ways around it, dont really know much about blu-ray but if they want music, movies, games and stuff like that then they are going to need to have some fairly tough protection on it
May 15, 2006 1:16:48 PM

Blu-ray is going to fail. Why? In the end its going to come down to money. Blu-ray costs more to convert production to and make and those costs will be translated to the customer. Not only that but Blu-ray is slowing being beaten to death by product delays because of the fighting over standards. Then theres the fact that anything Sony does is copy protected to hell and probably won't even work in some of their own devices. With HD-DVD prices already at $30-35, people already aren't going to pay that, so they sure as hell aren't going to pay more for Blu-ray.

Personally I don't see why we need HD DVD or Blu-ray since standard DVDs look fine on HDTVs. Personally I'll wait probably 2-3 years probably until one format or the other finally wins. Personally I think its gay they can't just agree on one f*cking standard. Instead they'll try to force consumers to buy 2 different players because they didn't want to agree.

You morons out there who say, "I'll buy both" have fun. Exercise your digital cock and go waste your money on 1st gen crap that won't even have all the features of either format and won't work or be compatible in a year.

One guy was right though that probably Blu-ray will stick around a little while at least as a storage media because of its higher capacity. But in the end I think HD-DVD is going to win this one. I like the capacity of Blu-ray but the crap thats in it for copy protection turns me off.
May 15, 2006 1:22:59 PM

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Blu-ray is going to fail. Why? In the end its going to come down to money. Blu-ray costs more to convert production to and make and those costs will be translated to the customer. Not only that but Blu-ray is slowing being beaten to death by product delays because of the fighting over standards. Then theres the fact that anything Sony does is copy protected to hell and probably won't even work in some of their own devices. With HD-DVD prices already at $30-35, people already aren't going to pay that, so they sure as hell aren't going to pay more for Blu-ray.

Personally I don't see why we need HD DVD or Blu-ray since standard DVDs look fine on HDTVs. Personally I'll wait probably 2-3 years probably until one format or the other finally wins. Personally I think its gay they can't just agree on one f*cking standard. Instead they'll try to force consumers to buy 2 different players because they didn't want to agree.

You morons out there who say, "I'll buy both" have fun. Exercise your digital **** and go waste your money on 1st gen crap that won't even have all the features of either format and won't work or be compatible in a year.

One guy was right though that probably Blu-ray will stick around a little while at least as a storage media because of its higher capacity. But in the end I think HD-DVD is going to win this one. I like the capacity of Blu-ray but the crap thats in it for copy protection turns me off.


I understand your imotions :lol:  . But not your knowledge :twisted: .
May 15, 2006 1:25:01 PM

they both suck,
the winner will be the one, who has a portable player, that doesnt look like a laptop.
When 1 format drops to the 15-20$, then that is a possible winner.
More importantly, when the tv's come out, and the players, come out, and you can run to wally world, and buy a combo, of the 2, (when a blonde idget ) can go home, plug it up, and it works like intended, then you have the winner
May 15, 2006 1:29:53 PM

no HDMI + L33t Copyright protection = Win.

I could see HD-DVD winning simply because of its name. People who know nothing about technology, will be..hmm a HD player..or some blue thing. I want HD!
May 15, 2006 1:30:35 PM

Where on earth did you get that money to buy this PC?(server)
May 15, 2006 1:36:46 PM

HD DVD, has attracted Microsoft, Sanyo, NEC and movie studios like New Line and Universal.

Blu-ray, has in its camp Apple, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Pioneer, Dell and movie studios like Sony, 20th Century Fox and Disney.

(Some companies, like HP, LG, Warner Brothers and Paramount, intend to create products for both formats.)

Porno?

Someone remember the war between VHS and BetaMax.
May 15, 2006 2:17:26 PM

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Someone remember the war between VHS and BetaMax.


Betamax was superior to VHS, if I remember correctly, and seeing as Blue Ray is superior to HD-DVD on paper are you saying that Blue Ray is going to lose?

It's too soon to tell anyway. Give it a year or two - Beta vs VHS wasn't decided before they came out.
May 15, 2006 2:22:40 PM

The porno industry, more rentals than all other types of movies combined, determined the winner between vhs/beta even though beta was superior. Same thing happened with standard DVD but much sooner in the cycle so that the competiters got out early and we never really saw them, I remember Panasonic had a competing disk but never got off the ground.
May 16, 2006 5:13:02 AM

Yeah you are right.

All these mechanical storage devices are destined to DOOOM.

The future belongs to solid state or holographic memory.

Its not only capacity.. Its the size, reliability and expansion thats literally infinite.
June 28, 2006 8:17:41 AM

blue ray is better
hd-dvd is cheaper
simple
June 28, 2006 3:09:59 PM

Personally, I'll get the one that will allow playback of protected movies under Linux.
July 17, 2006 11:21:58 PM

I read somewhere they made a laser that could read both. Anyone else remember anything about the article?
July 18, 2006 8:29:34 AM

It's not as much a 'laser' that can read both, but a matter of either:
- a single laser that can change its wavelenght depending on the media inserted (on top of simply changing it energy output)
- a dual laser
First option is technologically tricky but technically simpler to make (only one laser in the device), the second is simpler but more expensive (2 lasers on the same carrier).
July 18, 2006 9:21:29 AM

Blue Ray is better, but costs more. Personally, having spent £1200 on a Sony HD-TV want the best quality with the least compression from my films, so I would far rather pay £3 more for a Blue Ray film than a HDDVD.
July 18, 2006 10:17:56 AM

Here's some information to help you guys out.

Here you will find a list of Blu-ray and HDDVD information companies showing who is backing what, and while its a little old, its still good info.
and here is the official Blu-ray list of supporting companies from their website.

Personally I prefer Blu-ray due to its storage capacity and the getting away from the DVD format.
But when all is said and done, the format that Philips backs is tough to fight, and this time around theyre siding with the betamax fiends at Sony, so itll be interesting to say the least. I imagine your average user who just wants to watch a movie on their tv/computer wont give two shits so long as they arent paying out the ass, whereas people who need/want the optical storage to backup data will either go Blu-ray, or wait for those shiny holographic discs :p 
July 20, 2006 4:39:53 AM

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It's not as much a 'laser' that can read both, but a matter of either:
- a single laser that can change its wavelenght depending on the media inserted (on top of simply changing it energy output)
- a dual laser
First option is technologically tricky but technically simpler to make (only one laser in the device), the second is simpler but more expensive (2 lasers on the same carrier).



Ok while you are trying to act all smart read this http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/07/08/ricoh-laser-head-can-r...
July 20, 2006 5:51:45 AM

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I could see HD-DVD winning simply because of its name. People who know nothing about technology, will be..hmm a HD player..or some blue thing. I want HD!

Funny I thought the same thing when I first heard of the two. For the average person it's easier to spend their money on something they recognize the name and atleast they think they know what it is. Products with funky or different names ussually don't catch on as well because the average person is like "what the hell is this?". Initials especially work well; LP, VHS, CD, DVD, PC, PS2, HD etc.

As far as my personal opinion on the two I noticed something pretty pathetic on a Bluray demo at Best Buy. It was a setup with a 50" Sony Plasma and a Bluay player. It was suposed to show how much better bluray is over DVD. They showed a picture that at first I thought was regular DVD, didn't look that much better then anything I'd seen before, then the slide in a horrible pixelated version of the same picture. It looked like a 320x240 image blown up to fill the 50" screen. Then the good, but nothing special, image has a caption that says "Blu-Ray" and the horrible one "DVD". The fact that Sony had to so obviously and unrealisticly degrade the DVD picture made me wonder what the hell was so great about Blu-ray that they can't even compare it to an actual DVD image. I'm sure the same goes for HD-DVD, so beyond capacity are either really any better DVD?
July 20, 2006 7:02:44 AM

Ok while you are trying to act all smart read this http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/07/08/ricoh-laser-head-can-r...[/quote]

quote from this same page:
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While both formats use blue lasers they record at different distances and widths, a single head that overcomes those differences could make a dual-format player cheaper and a more realistic possibility if licensing fees and agreements don't get in the way.

so while I wasn't right on the reason incompatibility existed between BR and HD (blue laser means a high luminous frequency light, as opposed to a green or red laser), you still need mecanical adjustment (focus) to go from one to the other. So either you use two lasers with different hard-set focus distances, or you move the laser (impractical) or you refract it differently using different density lenses... Kudos to Ricoh for pulling it off, though.

Go act smart yourself.
July 26, 2006 9:11:17 AM

that was very interesting. The ammount of companys backing blue-ray is much more than i thought. I vote blue-ray.
August 2, 2006 4:29:20 PM

I find it odd that the surface coating is hardly mentioned anymore. When they first described the Durabis coating that would be used for BlueRay, they said it could withstand steel wool. http://www.durabis.com/en/tec00200.htm Then I was depressed when they said they wouldn't release it for other media like CD's and normal DVD's.

I don't care who wins, but I just want Durabis to be implemented on all DVD's I buy. The last I heard, Blue Ray won't even be using Durabis after all... hence why it is no longer advertixed on Sony's BlueRay site. But that is just rumor that I can't provide any proof for.

I'm just tired of having to spend so much effort to protect my DVD collection from the hands of my children with the consequence of adding to my coaster collection when I fail.
August 29, 2006 5:34:16 PM

I would wait a while till after the technology matures and thats what Im doing. each one of them has advantages and disadvatages. It would be a lot simplier if HD-DVD can play on Blu-ray and vice versa lol it would eliminate the headache of which to get. Basically Im watching whats coming out and waiting. I dont like that one movie is on blu-ray and not the other. That means if you want to get 2 movies that you like but one is on HD-DVD and the other is on blu-ray, thats ridiculous to see that you need both players to enjoy all the movies where as DVD; all the movies are released. Blu-ray player is also $1000. Remember when DVD players first came out, now you can get one as low as $19. So Im waiting :-)
August 29, 2006 6:12:58 PM

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Which is better?

Whichever one gets cheaper faster. Seriously, for DVD's the end consumer doesn't care about what technology went into making it. They care about price. Especially in this case where its gotten to the point where the majority of people can't tell the difference. In the end, either format gives out 1080p to the TV. People see it and like it. They buy the cheaper one because they can't tell the difference between blue-ray or HDDVD. Why pay more for something you can't see?

I need a HDTV first! argh!
August 29, 2006 7:31:07 PM

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Which is better?


If you mean right this second, probably HD-DVD, since there seems to be better support. Over the long haul, I dn' think it matters. Richoh has some technology that will allowed drive manufacturers to support both formats in a single drive, so we'll end up with dual drives sometime next year.

Once that happens, it's just a matter of waiting for drive prices to fall (if they haven't already).

I personally think that on computers Blu-Ray will win. 15gb<25gb. I'm leaving out DL. The only consistent quality DL media today is Verbatim. I doubt we'll get better on the HD media front.
August 29, 2006 7:37:17 PM

If I were to chose between both of the initial offereings it would be the HD-DVD player hands down.

In the AV communities the best known DVD transfer is the SUPERBIT version of "The Fifth Element". When the Blu-Ray player from Samsung (reputable etronics developer) was released the first thing people went after was the HD transfer to Blu-Ray. The HD transfer looks SOOO much worse than the at best 480P Superbit transfer. This is a sorry implementation of what on paper looks to be the best.

On the other hand the HD-DVD transfer of the Serinty movie is far and away better than its like DVD version. The Toshiba HD-DVD (although slow to load and slow to do chapter selection ) has a MCUH better picture than the Blu-Ray player.

The problem with HD-DVD is that it does NOT support 1080P in its initial/near future releases. This is why on paper the Blu-Ray player seems to be that much better. Unfortunately the first Blu-Ray player released supports 1080P material but OUTPUTS it as 1080i which means it goes through a down convert (this is rumored to be the reason the transfers look so bad).

Hope this helps a little.

Also, The resaon (supposedly) that M$oft and other computer style manufacturers (APPLE not includedbecause they like DRM) decided to migrate to the HD-DVD side is that computer support for players/recorders is much better in the HD-DVD camp. Blu-Ray at one time wanted to have an internet conection avialable for you to make copies of your OWN home videos (gotta love Sony).
August 29, 2006 7:40:00 PM

PSS..

The HD-DVD Camp has set aside 100 Million dollars for a ramp up advertising/availability campaign that we should be seeing soon. Most if of this campaign is targeted to be completed by Christmas with large quantities of available discs hitting the shelves shortly...
August 29, 2006 8:41:08 PM

Ok look we all know that Blu-ray has a much higher storage capacity and can output a higher resolution, which are the two main factors too consider. So if the two main factors are better we should all put our support behind it to help it come out as a winner. So with just that basic information you should go with Blu-ray, if not well put your football helmet back on and get back on the short bus.
August 29, 2006 9:04:44 PM

The PLAYER can output higher rez. As for capacity, you got to ask yourself, does it realy matter if we are geting into the 30GB+ range?(name any file that takes up more than 30GB). Both will fail anyway, with internet connections becoming faster and more prevalent, you could simply download or even stream movies to your TV or computer. That, and with Holographic and solid state storage coming out relativly soon, those would offer faster transfer times and even higher capacity.
August 29, 2006 9:27:00 PM

Fast1marine,

You must be doing well if you are suggesting that Blu-Ray become the standard....

Blu-Rays projected overall cost of ownership is nearly double that of HD-DVD.

By the way HD-DVD is scheduled to release later a 1080P capable player as well.
August 29, 2006 9:44:46 PM

One thing that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned here yet is the Playstation 3.

Yes it's true that Bluray is vastly more expensive than HD-DVD. But if the PS3 has any sort of take off at all HD-DVD will be toast because via the PS3, Blu-ray will be in A LOT more homes than HD-DVD.

Yeah, you will be able to buy an HD-DVD for XBox 360, but if you go on past performance from a console perspective, Sony could be making a tottally brilliant move.

So you take Sony leveraging their PS3 console to get an instant advantage in the High Def DVD market, plus the higher compacity and copy protection (which Hollywood loves), and you have a potential recipie for instant market leader in two different markets simltainiously (sp?).

Not to mention that using the PS3 as a Blu-ray DVD source drops the price for a Blu-Ray player down to $600.

HD-DVD's only real weapon is it's lower price. But ultimately only time and consumers will decide. That being said, in my opinion Sony has put themselves in a potentially really good position, but they are gambling on the success of the PS3.

Personally, my money is on Blu-Ray.
August 29, 2006 9:56:14 PM

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Fast1marine,

You must be doing well if you are suggesting that Blu-Ray become the standard....

Blu-Rays projected overall cost of ownership is nearly double that of HD-DVD.

By the way HD-DVD is scheduled to release later a 1080P capable player as well.


Well when you go to school and work hard you get a job that pays well, so thanks i do alright. Yeah something better costs a little more right now but the price will go down as it does on everything, I mean microwaves used to cost $2000 and you can get one for under $100 now. Either way in what matters Blu Ray is better and if you can't afford it, save up and wait, but if we buy something that isn't as good and because of that it ends of being adopted we will only be hurting ourselves with a lower quality product. Also as it stands just because an HD-DVD will be out putting 1080P sometime in the future apparently, it can't do it now or in the near future and unless they find some magical way to increase the capacity it can't hold enough to fit a feature length movie in 1080p along with other features, unless you want to do the annoying flip sides or chanage discs and with how much either one of them costs once i put the disk in I'm done.
August 29, 2006 9:57:48 PM

Anyone who simply claims one is better than the other is over simplifying the question.

BD offers more storage making it better for computer backups, but will BD's extra storage be required for recording movies? Not at this time.

Both formats have enough storage and bitrate to support hi density video.

BD has a thinner skin and I wonder if it will be more or less scratch resistent.

HDDVD can produce hybrid media (if a studio wishes) with HD on one side and DVD on the other. BD can't do that. And if you ask why? It's because most homes will only have one HD and multiple SD sets (including computers and portable DVD's).

HD-DVD just released a firmware upgrade for DolbyHD (8 lossless audio tracks).

I had been anticipating BD for a long time, but in all honesty, HD-DVD is making all the right moves. And it is right from a production sense too.

And if you are waiting for a hybrid player, last I heard, NOBODY was touching that one at this time.

I think the biggest problem for either format, is HD adoption in general. They need to sell the HD format, and HD hardware and content need to find a more mainstream price for that to happen.
August 29, 2006 10:12:52 PM

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If I were to chose between both of the initial offereings it would be the HD-DVD player hands down.

In the AV communities the best known DVD transfer is the SUPERBIT version of "The Fifth Element". When the Blu-Ray player from Samsung (reputable etronics developer) was released the first thing people went after was the HD transfer to Blu-Ray. The HD transfer looks SOOO much worse than the at best 480P Superbit transfer. This is a sorry implementation of what on paper looks to be the best.


Didn't DVD-File or Digital Bits take the samsung to someone at Pioneer and test it and determine that the problem was a bug in the player, not the transfer? As I recall, when output over the analog outputs, the reviewer found the picture was excellent.

I don't disagree with you on what I'd get if I was buying today, but there's no way I'd jump on 1G player. Maybe 2G, but unless you've got money burning a hole in your pocket, I wouldn't recommend biting until the advanced audio codecs are supported in players and receivers (in addition to support for both formats in a single drive).
August 29, 2006 10:18:50 PM

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One thing that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned here yet is the Playstation 3.

Yes it's true that Bluray is vastly more expensive than HD-DVD. But if the PS3 has any sort of take off at all HD-DVD will be toast because via the PS3, Blu-ray will be in A LOT more homes than HD-DVD.


The problem is that I don't see people buying PS3s just to watch movies and it sure seems like there's a lot of resistance to the PS3 price.

Time will tell of course, but I'm unconvinced that the PS3 will be a big factor. I'm not even sure it's going to when the game platform battle this time (which was unthinkable a year ago).

I know personally, I rarely think about buying a game system and I don't think I'd buy a PS3 to watch movies (nobody I know used their PS2 to watch DVDs).
August 29, 2006 11:00:31 PM

I'm not saying its fullproof or anything. You are right there is a lot of resistance to the price of the PS3. But lets face it, people will buy it. Kids will coax and whine and get their parents to buy it, and the parents wouldn't mind getting a Blu-ray DVD player out of the deal, so it would at the very least be a tempting offer.


Personaly, everyone that I knew had a PS2 used it to watch movies in also. It is a cost effective solution.

Regardless, PS3 will not enjoy the same numbers as they did with the PS2. Still, I read an article (I apologize for not having the link off hand) that says the company that does market research still shows Sony having market dominance over the compitition, though not nearly at the numbers they were last year.

Time will tell the tale, and HD-DVD has Microsoft backing it. That by itself has a major amount of clout in this format war. All I'm saying is not to count out Blu-Ray or the PS3 because of price.
August 30, 2006 12:18:33 AM

Marine,

First - it (BD) is not at this moment a BETTER offering. It still only outputs 1080i in its first incarnations (same as HD-DVD).

Second - The computer supportability is not as robust as the HD-DVD is supposed to be. (please notice the words I have used since these are not readily available at this time).

Third - The supposed magical way to increase capacity is called Triple Layer HD-DVD with support up to 45gb. Please see HERE!!

SO NO SIDE FLIPPING!!

A good generic read about both formatshttp://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdbasics/a/bluhddvdinfo.htm
August 30, 2006 12:25:23 AM

Everyone also knows that Analog outputs are NOT the way to go. This affects the Samsung BD player. HDMI with HDCP compliance is really the best quality input to your television. Given that 1080I is all that is currently supported the analog side will do well but not nearly as well as the HDMI input on a clean player.

The PS3 although with its support of HDMI (as it should since the xbox360 does not at this time) is NOT supporting the HDCP outputs for its HDMI. This will be a big gamble as the television industry is now full force into support of HDCP.
August 30, 2006 12:31:07 AM

Also,

This is a good read to find out why HDCP is so important (like it or not, me I do not like it since handshakes can be difficult on longer run cables since the cable introduces latencies which can cause a timeout).

Please read http://www.digitalconnection.com/FAQ/HDTV_12.asp
August 30, 2006 1:09:15 AM

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Everyone also knows that Analog outputs are NOT the way to go.


Unless your name is Blackbeard and you walk around with a parrot on your shoulder... :wink:
August 30, 2006 5:36:39 PM

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Everyone also knows that Analog outputs are NOT the way to go. This affects the Samsung BD player. HDMI with HDCP compliance is really the best quality input to your television. Given that 1080I is all that is currently supported the analog side will do well but not nearly as well as the HDMI input on a clean player.

The PS3 although with its support of HDMI (as it should since the xbox360 does not at this time) is NOT supporting the HDCP outputs for its HDMI. This will be a big gamble as the television industry is now full force into support of HDCP.


No way that's bias information from the company that produces HD-DVD, I don't get my information on Blu-ray from Sony, I go to an impartial source, and if you notice 3 layers of HD-DVD are still less than two layers of Blu-ray. So if blue ray decides to do the three layer thing it'll be even worse for the HD-DVD format. You know Blu-ray is better based on the facts so stop looking at it like you have an investment in it, or are your pockets being lined.
August 30, 2006 6:11:34 PM

betamax baby!
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