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My 3 or so year current (ancient) system has served me well thus far and I have upgraded it over the years to suit my needs. Then I tried to play Oblivion on it, and inevitably it was a non-starter. So, a Graphics Card update is definitely needed but I am looking for advice on what else I should maybe upgrade as I know my current spec will become more sluggish with age.

I use my computer mainly for gaming (nothing hardcore), photo editing and the occasional CAD work above the usual internet browsing etc.

Current Upgradable Spec:
AMD Athlon 2600+
GA-7N400 Pro (yes, AGP 8X only I'm afraid)
Nvidia GeForce FX 5600
1GB DDR400 RAM (2 x 512MB)
350W PSU
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2

I realise with more high spec hardware I will probably need to replace my PSU and as my current case only support 1 80mm fan and doesn't support 120mm fans, might need to replace case too.

Budget would be around £800 and I would like the new system to last a few years again, replacing the graphics card as needed. Should say as well I might take a leap into overclocking.

Your advice and opinions are much appreciated.

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Wait for the new build, and use some of your old parts in the new system

Reply to unbiased4u

Yeah, new build. You can probably fine another gig of ram to work with the ram you already have and ebay the rest of your parts of, or donate it for a tax write off. You can do alot with £800 in a new build.

Reply to PCcashCow

Got you beat my Athlon XP-M 2600+ rig is pushing 4-1/2 years. The "newest" part is the Radeon 9800Pro.

Anywaste, socket AM2 is nearly upon us. You'll just need to wait 2 weeks. AMD's next CPU, "K8L", will come out for that socket next year. If you see yourself upgrading within 2 years then I think it's worth it to wait for AM2.

If you don't think you'll be upgrading for 3 or more years then you may want to just build a PC now since within 3 years time AMD should be releasing another socket. Also, AM2 will be slight more expensive, and they will offer very little performance gains over socket 939. Some hardware review sites have estimated that once DDR2 800 comes out it may boost performance by about 5% at best, but that's just an estimate and DDR2 800 will be somewhat expensive.

Reply to jaguarskx

I would say go ahead and build now. As stated, if you are going to use the rig for three years, then you probably will not be "saving" any of the new parts in the future (did that make sense?).

Three years ago when you got your current rig, it was pretty new stuff. Now, most of it can't even be used for a new build. The same thing is going to happen with your new rig, even if you use the new am2 'stuff'.

Reply to smedlin

I would also go for a new build, if money is a constraint then look at a good 939 system as the new AM2 should reduce prices on those soon. PCI-e is a must and look into 4 ram slots as Vista will be able to support 4 mb easily. If upgradability is a must also get a good PSU that can handle whatever you throw at it in the next few years, I would suggest a 500W minimum. Also get a good dual core processor, the AMD X2 line (Opteron 165 or 170 if you are planning on OC) is currently better than the Intel D series (I'm not getting into a Conroe debate). Video cards are a personnal preference right now and you can't go wrong with a 7800GT or better for Nvidia or X1800 for ATI.

Reply to waylander

Thank-you all for your replies. Yes, I will probably be building a new rig using my current HDs and DVD-ROM drive.

Would you expect the price of an AMD 939 socket processor to come down any further before/after AM2 is released or is it still worthwhile (money wise) to buy one now? Is Dual Core the future (for now) or would a single core still serve me well for years. Currently looking at an AMD X2 3800 vs 3700 single core.

A motherboard with SLI isn't really a concern although it sounds good. Would I be regretting not having SLI in a years time? Which mobo really utilises SLI at present? Any recommendations for a good reliable non-SLI mobo?

Reply to eSavant

It's hard to say what prices will do after am2 comes out. There will be new chips (the am2 itself) and new motherboards (the am2 will not work on socket 939). Am2 will use DDR2, not DDR, so that is another thing to think about.

Personally, I don't see the prices dropping. 939 will still be the "mainstream" for a few more months.

It would be intersting to know how much longer 939 chips will be produced. I've heard everything from until the end of this year up to the end of 2007.

Duel core is the way to go. It's not just the future, it's now. There are many games already out there that will use both cores, and more on the way. Same with "applications". And even if it does not use both cores, having 1 core for the "game" while the second core does OS stuff is very nice.

If you are not going to do hard core gamming (which you said you were not), then don't worry about sli.

Sli really only makes sense if you "start" with it, not "get a second one" down the line.

What I mean by that, is the next generation of gpu's are always a huge jump in performance, for about the same price. Case in point, my two BFG 7900GTX's are top of the line; combined they have 2 processors and 1G of ram. I've read that the top G80, which will come out late this year will have dual proc's and sport 1G of ram.

So, the top G80 will be roughly equal to both my 7900GTX (not taking into account the g80 will run at a faster mzh).

So sli only really makes sense if you do it when you build (or soon after).

Now, having said that, there is nothing wrong with buying a sli board and only using 1 card. Some of those sli boards are very nice, and who knows, perhaps you will come across your 'card' on ebay for a steal...

Reply to smedlin

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Would you expect the price of an AMD 939 socket processor to come down any further before/after AM2 is released or is it still worthwhile (money wise) to buy one now? Is Dual Core the future (for now) or would a single core still serve me well for years. Currently looking at an AMD X2 3800 vs 3700 single core.




Well, AM2 Athlons are priced higher than the current S939 Athlons.

S939 Athlons may not drop until July when Conroe is expected to come out.

Reply to jaguarskx

I think there will be a price drop even if it's only a little. If you need a computer now though I wouldn't wait.

As to the SLI, even if you don't use SLI you may find uses for both PCI-e slots in the future as I'm sure some manufacturers will take advantage of the x8 or x16 slots instead of the x1 for PCI, possibly a sound card may be able to use a PCI-e slot in the future?

For instance you may put in two video cards but not use them as SLI, maybe a high end card for gaming to one monitor and a lower end card to plug a second monitor into so you can surf the web or chat while waiting for your team to win in CS:S.

Reply to waylander

Keep the audigy 2 even if your new MB has onborad sound use the Audigy the audigy will be more effective and more efficient than AC97!

Keep the old HD even if its not SATA style! Honestly there isnt a massive increase in prefromance with SATA HDs. If you do need more HD get a SATA install windows onto it and keep your old HD to back up MP3s etc.

I dont think buying the best AGP card is going to help you that much the CPU is kinda slow, and your new AGP card would prob be worthless within a year year as PCIe takes hold.

If you are on a budget single core P4s are dirt cheap and will be even cheaper in 3-4 months when conroe CPUs comes out.

Reply to wun911

Thats a negative on waiting for anew build and using your old hardware.
Personally you probably still can use the sound card but nothing else. Unless you are not building a socket 939 mobo w/ PCIe. The you can keep the gpu. But if you are going for a 939 and a PCIe mobo, I wouldnt recommend the current ram nor the psu:/
Kinda sketchy for the psu, unless like you said " not for hardcore gaming"
But I'd rather be safe than sorry
But thats just me :D
The ram, well the ram will also need to be replaced, its old and it will most likley bottleneck your new build.
-Good Luck-
:twisted:

Reply to bluntside

I'd go for a new build. I'd recommend a s939 PCI-E system.


A decent motherboard £100
CPU £100 upwards
Case £50 upwards or reuse your current
Decent PSU £70 upwards (don't get a cheapo one!)
Graphics probably not worth spending less than £150

You can reuse your opticals, HDD and RAM. you might want to repalce the RAM later with 2x1Gb (or add another 2x512mb if you don't mind running slightly lower timings or you can find a pair of sticks the same as your current)

This is all easily within your £800 budget.

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