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If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I would
like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding honesty etc
which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group. Just wait a day
or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue with being as
helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are still running
it:)

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Well said Quilly. I have just been catching up after weekend and it was all
rather unpleasant

Ibby

"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are
> still running it:)
>
> --
> Cheers
> Quilly
>
>
> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
> http://www.livtech.co.uk
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Keep in mind that the troll isn't the main problem. It's the long string of
answers to the troll's post that's the real problem. More than one fine
newsgroup has been absolutely destroyed by well meaning people who just
can't resist the temptation to get their two cents in and see their name up
there in that long line of dissenters telling off a troll.
When this happens, the troll simply advises his peers that a new group has
been found where responses can be counted.
Never forget. The single purpose of a troll post is to illicit that long
line of responses. Then the responses are counted. The troll who gets the
most responses gets his "reputation" enhanced a little. Every post made to a
troll helps that troll and takes a newsgroup one step closer to losing the
troll wars.
Just something for the group to think about.
This last couple of threads with these two idiots bragging about stealing
software are a perfect example of threads that can lose you the newsgroup.
The answer is simple.
When you see a post that obviously has been written in such a way that it
violates, and is negative to the very purpose of a specific newsgroup; if
you answer that post, the poster is smarter than you are and has won the
Usenet trophy of the day. It's THAT simple folks! It's YOUR newsgroup. Don't
lose it!
Dudley Henriques

"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are
> still running it:)
>
> --
> Cheers
> Quilly
>
>
> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>
 
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Sage advice, Dudley.
However, this troll was evilly clever by posting a subject near and dear to
the hearts of many of the contributors here.....stealing software... since
many of the people here are or have been involved with software development
in one way or another. Inasmuch as we would like to resist the knee-jerk
reaction sustained when our nerves are touched, it's often very, very
difficult.
I'm happy to say that this occurrence is so infrequent on this excellent
newgroup, that in my opinion, it's not an issue. The information and
advice I have gleaned about flying and simming from the subscribers here,
have contributed much more to my knowledge base and life in general, than
the silliness of a troll and the resulting rants. Please carry on,
gentlemen and/or ladies if they are indeed present.

Arthur



"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
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> Keep in mind that the troll isn't the main problem. It's the long string
> of answers to the troll's post that's the real problem. More than one fine
> newsgroup has been absolutely destroyed by well meaning people who just
> can't resist the temptation to get their two cents in and see their name
> up there in that long line of dissenters telling off a troll.
> When this happens, the troll simply advises his peers that a new group has
> been found where responses can be counted.
> Never forget. The single purpose of a troll post is to illicit that long
> line of responses. Then the responses are counted. The troll who gets the
> most responses gets his "reputation" enhanced a little. Every post made to
> a troll helps that troll and takes a newsgroup one step closer to losing
> the troll wars.
> Just something for the group to think about.
> This last couple of threads with these two idiots bragging about stealing
> software are a perfect example of threads that can lose you the newsgroup.
> The answer is simple.
> When you see a post that obviously has been written in such a way that it
> violates, and is negative to the very purpose of a specific newsgroup; if
> you answer that post, the poster is smarter than you are and has won the
> Usenet trophy of the day. It's THAT simple folks! It's YOUR newsgroup.
> Don't lose it!
> Dudley Henriques
>
> "Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you
>> are still running it:)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Quilly
>>
>>
>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>
>
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"Arthur" <alspectorz@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> However, this troll was evilly clever by posting a subject near and dear
> to the hearts of many of the contributors here.....stealing software...
> since many of the people here are or have been involved with software
> development in one way or another. Inasmuch as we would like to resist
> the knee-jerk reaction sustained when our nerves are touched, it's often
> very, very difficult.

Exactly Arthur!!! You have just written Chapter 1 of the "Troll Bible" in a
single, simple, easy to read paragraph. Everyone reading what you have
written here should take a second to study it's implication.
THIS is the main weapon of the troll......they find the common trigger and
squeeze it...then they count the riccochets.
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Dudley,
Wise words. I was bought up to ignore truculent children. Let's do the same
here.
Chips.

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
news:uBIJe.2476$RZ2.301@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Keep in mind that the troll isn't the main problem. It's the long string
> of answers to the troll's post that's the real problem. More than one fine
> newsgroup has been absolutely destroyed by well meaning people who just
> can't resist the temptation to get their two cents in and see their name
> up there in that long line of dissenters telling off a troll.
> When this happens, the troll simply advises his peers that a new group has
> been found where responses can be counted.
> Never forget. The single purpose of a troll post is to illicit that long
> line of responses. Then the responses are counted. The troll who gets the
> most responses gets his "reputation" enhanced a little. Every post made to
> a troll helps that troll and takes a newsgroup one step closer to losing
> the troll wars.
> Just something for the group to think about.
> This last couple of threads with these two idiots bragging about stealing
> software are a perfect example of threads that can lose you the newsgroup.
> The answer is simple.
> When you see a post that obviously has been written in such a way that it
> violates, and is negative to the very purpose of a specific newsgroup; if
> you answer that post, the poster is smarter than you are and has won the
> Usenet trophy of the day. It's THAT simple folks! It's YOUR newsgroup.
> Don't lose it!
> Dudley Henriques
>
> "Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you
>> are still running it:)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Quilly
>>
>>
>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>
>
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"Chips (formerly Andy)" <andy.cippico@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dudley,
> Wise words. I was bought up to ignore truculent children. Let's do the
> same here.
> Chips.

I can't think of anything more frustrating for a troll than to come back to
a post he's planted on a newsgroup only to find it completely ignored...not
ONE response.....while the people he was baiting go calmly on with their
usual business on topic.
When this happens the troll will usually up the anti by posting something
more inviting......more challenging. It's a contest....nothing
more...nothing less. You win or you lose based on whether or not someone
gives in and answers the troll. Once the first response has been made, the
group has lost the game.
It isn't easy to resist. It takes a concentrated effort usually accomplished
by the group knowing each other like they do on this group. It's up to the
old timers to "educate" the new people. Personally, I like the approach that
lets the newcomers know that the road to acceptance on the group is to avoid
answering the trolls. In this way it becomes a "peer issue" that no one
wants to violate. After a while, the newcomers become old timers themselves
and the group prospers.
Of all the groups I've posted to on Usenet over the years, this specific
group has the most Usenet savvy people. I think this is because the common
interest here is simple aviation education and having fun using a common
tool...the simulator. Trolls don't usually last long on this group because
the vast majority of the people who post here don't have an agenda to begin
with, and any form of unpleasantness distracts from their prime purpose of
simply having a good time with their friends here on the group.
If ever there was a newsgroup that can survive a troll attack, it's this sim
Newsgroup; because of the caliber of the people who post here.
Dudley
 
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Brilliantly put, Dudley! Exactly what I think. I still remember the wise
words from a fairy tale (don't remember it's name though) : "Never feed a
troll!!"
--
Oskar Wagner
(retired Captain)

Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes....

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:uBIJe.2476$RZ2.301@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Keep in mind that the troll isn't the main problem. It's the long string
> of answers to the troll's post that's the real problem. More than one fine
> newsgroup has been absolutely destroyed by well meaning people who just
> can't resist the temptation to get their two cents in and see their name
> up there in that long line of dissenters telling off a troll.
> When this happens, the troll simply advises his peers that a new group has
> been found where responses can be counted.
> Never forget. The single purpose of a troll post is to illicit that long
> line of responses. Then the responses are counted. The troll who gets the
> most responses gets his "reputation" enhanced a little. Every post made to
> a troll helps that troll and takes a newsgroup one step closer to losing
> the troll wars.
> Just something for the group to think about.
> This last couple of threads with these two idiots bragging about stealing
> software are a perfect example of threads that can lose you the newsgroup.
> The answer is simple.
> When you see a post that obviously has been written in such a way that it
> violates, and is negative to the very purpose of a specific newsgroup; if
> you answer that post, the poster is smarter than you are and has won the
> Usenet trophy of the day. It's THAT simple folks! It's YOUR newsgroup.
> Don't lose it!
> Dudley Henriques
>
> "Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you
>> are still running it:)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Quilly
>>
>>
>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>
>
>
 
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<snip lots of good stuff>

I would like to agree with the previous posters, and add one point.

For those of us who value writing and the effective use of language, the
temptation to respond to a troll has another aspect.

If you are even a little bit vain about your writing ability ( although
noone here has that problem, I'm sure ) you may think that your well
constructed prose and exquisite logic will show the troll the error of his
ways and convert him to a useful member of newsgroup society.

This is simply not going to happen, for all the reasons stated previously.

'Tis far better to ignore the pests, and conserve our endangered electrons.

Bob McKellar,
who does not 100% follow his own advice
 
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It has been a great group as far as I can see. Most helpful folks.
Mike
"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are
> still running it:)
>
> --
> Cheers
> Quilly
>
>
> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>
 
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As a newcomer to this group, it does not shake me. I have seen this before.

What it DOES DO is transfer your energies from good constructive topics to
tangling with this person. It is kind of interesting to go back and look at
the trail of posts and you beging to realize just how sapping these trolls
can be. A picture is worth a thousd words.

Check it out:

http://www.mbm30.org/Mike/Troll.jpg

Anyway, this has been a very helpful and fun group for me. Just my 2 cents
worth.

Mike


"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are
> still running it:)
>
> --
> Cheers
> Quilly
>
>
> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>
 
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LOL I was on there 3 or 4 times and really had a good laugh about it
all...some of the responses were hilarious...trolls, if indeed that was one,
can sometimes provide good humor..

Bill


"mikepic" <mikepic@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> As a newcomer to this group, it does not shake me. I have seen this
> before.
>
> What it DOES DO is transfer your energies from good constructive topics to
> tangling with this person. It is kind of interesting to go back and look
> at the trail of posts and you beging to realize just how sapping these
> trolls can be. A picture is worth a thousd words.
>
> Check it out:
>
> http://www.mbm30.org/Mike/Troll.jpg
>
> Anyway, this has been a very helpful and fun group for me. Just my 2
> cents worth.
>
> Mike
>
>
> "Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you
>> are still running it:)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Quilly
>>
>>
>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>
>
>
 
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> I can't think of anything more frustrating for a troll than to come back
> to a post he's planted on a newsgroup only to find it completely
> ignored...not ONE response.....while the people he was baiting go calmly
> on with their usual business on topic.
> When this happens the troll will usually up the anti by posting something
> more inviting......more challenging. It's a contest....nothing
> more...nothing less. You win or you lose based on whether or not someone
> gives in and answers the troll. Once the first response has been made, the
> group has lost the game.
> It isn't easy to resist. It takes a concentrated effort usually
> accomplished by the group knowing each other like they do on this group.
> It's up to the old timers to "educate" the new people. Personally, I like
> the approach that lets the newcomers know that the road to acceptance on
> the group is to avoid answering the trolls. In this way it becomes a "peer
> issue" that no one wants to violate. After a while, the newcomers become
> old timers themselves and the group prospers.
> Of all the groups I've posted to on Usenet over the years, this specific
> group has the most Usenet savvy people. I think this is because the common
> interest here is simple aviation education and having fun using a common
> tool...the simulator. Trolls don't usually last long on this group because
> the vast majority of the people who post here don't have an agenda to
> begin with, and any form of unpleasantness distracts from their prime
> purpose of simply having a good time with their friends here on the group.
> If ever there was a newsgroup that can survive a troll attack, it's this
> sim Newsgroup; because of the caliber of the people who post here.
> Dudley

Well said Dudley.

Colin
 
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>> because of the caliber of the people who post here. Dudley

Yup, guns have calibre (UK sp) and we're all top guns here :)

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- I agree with Dudley that one should not feed trolls.

- I agree with Peter that we should defend this group's integrity by
replying to hack requests or any other conduct which could pollute this
newsgroup.

The distinction here is amangill and Thief and Proud were not trolls. They
did not appear with the intention to inflict mayhem on the group, they came
with different motivations and therefore is was appropriate to respond to
them.

Our last real troll was Spego Dimanchet, last November. He began with a
well designed absurd inflammatory statement, then returned on an hourly
basis over several days to personally insult everyone who responded until he
achieved his goal of total mayhem.

That's a troll.


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Gotcha

"Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> mikepic <mikepic@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>> What it DOES DO is transfer your energies from good constructive topics
>> to
>> tangling with this person. It is kind of interesting to go back and look
>> at
>> the trail of posts and you beging to realize just how sapping these
>> trolls
>> can be. A picture is worth a thousd words.
>
> Your observation implies that people cannot multitask.
>
> In my case, I had nothing of any value to add to the last week's worth of
> threads anyhow, so exchanging with these software thieves was not at all
> sapping.
>
> --
> Peter
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Yeah, there can be some value to it, for sure.
Mike
"William" <alone@home.com> wrote in message
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> LOL I was on there 3 or 4 times and really had a good laugh about it
> all...some of the responses were hilarious...trolls, if indeed that was
> one, can sometimes provide good humor..
>
> Bill
>
>
> "mikepic" <mikepic@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:nqMJe.233250$_o.84425@attbi_s71...
>> As a newcomer to this group, it does not shake me. I have seen this
>> before.
>>
>> What it DOES DO is transfer your energies from good constructive topics
>> to tangling with this person. It is kind of interesting to go back and
>> look at the trail of posts and you beging to realize just how sapping
>> these trolls can be. A picture is worth a thousd words.
>>
>> Check it out:
>>
>> http://www.mbm30.org/Mike/Troll.jpg
>>
>> Anyway, this has been a very helpful and fun group for me. Just my 2
>> cents worth.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> "Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you
>>> are still running it:)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Quilly
>>>
>>>
>>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:53:46 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
<dhenriques@noware .net> brought the following to our attention:

>Keep in mind that the troll isn't the main problem. It's the long string of
>answers to the troll's post that's the real problem. More than one fine
>newsgroup has been absolutely destroyed by well meaning people who just
>can't resist the temptation to get their two cents in and see their name up
>there in that long line of dissenters telling off a troll.
>When this happens, the troll simply advises his peers that a new group has
>been found where responses can be counted.
>Never forget. The single purpose of a troll post is to illicit that long
>line of responses. Then the responses are counted. The troll who gets the
>most responses gets his "reputation" enhanced a little. Every post made to a
>troll helps that troll and takes a newsgroup one step closer to losing the
>troll wars.
>Just something for the group to think about.
>This last couple of threads with these two idiots bragging about stealing
>software are a perfect example of threads that can lose you the newsgroup.
>The answer is simple.
>When you see a post that obviously has been written in such a way that it
>violates, and is negative to the very purpose of a specific newsgroup; if
>you answer that post, the poster is smarter than you are and has won the
>Usenet trophy of the day. It's THAT simple folks! It's YOUR newsgroup. Don't
>lose it!
>Dudley Henriques
>
>"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are
>> still running it:)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Quilly
>>
>>
>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>
>


Here's my speel on trollism!!




Trollish Activity


by Gregory

August 27, 2002


Trollish activity can take on many forms. There can be trollish posts
and trollish replies. Generally a troll will disrupt activities in a
forum either intentionally or even while not being aware of it. Trolls
often roam Usenet groups and plant topics which are certain to cause
a disturbance.

The sure sign of a troll in action is if a big `stink' is raised when
the situation could much better be handled off the `main line' using
messenging for instance. Trollish activity is usually rampant in the
lower strata of Internet discussion groups where members compete
for moderator status.. and `kicking' activity is commonplace.


Effects of Trollish Activity

Trollish activity can have a highly negative effect in an online
community. Trolls can wreak havoc causing disputes and drive members
away who would otherwise post quality material. Trolls often have
little of value to contribute and gain attention by disruption.
Generally speaking.. trolls disrupt an online forum in various ways..
making it too annoying for individuals to post additional topics.


Trollish Posts

A trollish post is one which has the effect of causing a heated
dispute between active members of a forum. An example of a trollish
post would be the following: `when is MS going to release a patch for
MSFS?'.


Trollish Replies

A trollish reply is one which directly or indirectly starts an
argument or dispute to a legitimate or on-topic post. Another example
is a reply which will disrupt a post such that no further discussion
can take place on that subject. Trolls often disrupt posts in this
way.


General Troll Policy

The common policy for trolls in most communities is `DO NOT FEED
THE TROLLS'. An ignored troll will often go away since the attention
which they seek is not forthcoming. If trolls become sufficiently
annoying.. many discussion forums and user-clients have `filters'
or blocks on a user or topic basis.


Summary

Trolls can be very disruptive. It is up to the moderators to set and
enforce policies on trollish activity. Users have filter capability
which will limit the impact of trolls. The best way to handle
trollishness is to simple not reply. This.. in addition to filters and
a clear forum policy.. can control or eliminate the problem that is
TROLL.


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Note: sender acknowleges this post itself may be trollish in nature.
Comments or revisions to description and content on trollism are
welcome.. post subject to change.
 
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:05:47 GMT, Dallas wrote:

> - I agree with Peter that we should defend this group's integrity by
> replying to hack requests or any other conduct which could pollute this
> newsgroup.

Is that really "by replying to" or did you mean "by NOT replying to"?

Because the best thing to do is to just let it go. Don't reply.
Or, if dealing with a dumbass newcomer, give one person the oppertunity to
tell the newcomer that asking fro cracks and such is a big no-no and leave
it at that. Name calling never got anyone anywhere. If anything it's like
daring that person to reply with something stupid which will then start a
huge flamewar.


> The distinction here is amangill and Thief and Proud were not trolls. They
> did not appear with the intention to inflict mayhem on the group, they came
> with different motivations and therefore is was appropriate to respond to
> them.

Yes and no.
They most probably came here with the very best of intentions, probably
after lurking for a while....gathering intel and ammo, then, when they felt
the time was right, they took it upon themselves to put the strength of
this group to the test.

They won, we lost!

We lost to a bunch of teenagers, gang!

--

Marcel (SAG-21)
(Mmmmmm.....beer and doughnuts. - Homer Simpson)
 
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"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
news:uBIJe.2476$RZ2.301@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Keep in mind that the troll isn't the main problem. It's the long string
> of answers to the troll's post that's the real problem. More than one fine
> newsgroup has been absolutely destroyed by well meaning people who just
> can't resist the temptation to get their two cents in and see their name
> up there in that long line of dissenters telling off a troll.
> When this happens, the troll simply advises his peers that a new group has
> been found where responses can be counted.
> Never forget. The single purpose of a troll post is to illicit that long
> line of responses. Then the responses are counted. The troll who gets the
> most responses gets his "reputation" enhanced a little. Every post made to
> a troll helps that troll and takes a newsgroup one step closer to losing
> the troll wars.
> Just something for the group to think about.
> This last couple of threads with these two idiots bragging about stealing
> software are a perfect example of threads that can lose you the newsgroup.
> The answer is simple.
> When you see a post that obviously has been written in such a way that it
> violates, and is negative to the very purpose of a specific newsgroup; if
> you answer that post, the poster is smarter than you are and has won the
> Usenet trophy of the day. It's THAT simple folks! It's YOUR newsgroup.
> Don't lose it!
> Dudley Henriques

Dudley - who have stated in the most eloquent prose how best to respond to
vexacious arguments. Simply don't give the aggressor a reply. It is that
simple.

Granted though - not always easy when you are fired up
Or you've had a rough day
Or you've had a few drinks of the medicinal variety :)

Cheers,
John

>
> "Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you
>> are still running it:)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Quilly
>>
>>
>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>
>
>
 
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"John Ewing" <none@needed> wrote in message
news:42f7602e$0$21235$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

> Granted though - not always easy when you are fired up
> Or you've had a rough day
> Or you've had a few drinks of the medicinal variety :)
>
> Cheers,
> John

So true. I think not responding to an obvious troll post is probably one of
the hardest things an intelligent poster has to learn to deal with in the
Usenet experience.
For some people...... like me , (with naturally aggressive personalities),
it's especially difficult!!!!
:)))
Dudley
 
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Hi Gregory,

Good spiel, mate - seems to gel reasonably well with what everyone has
expressed so far here.

Regards,
John Ward


"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:tnrff1hgpr0qihimgpdpp6ccbgkjo2m3fq@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:53:46 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> <dhenriques@noware .net> brought the following to our attention:
>
>>Keep in mind that the troll isn't the main problem. It's the long string
>>of
>>answers to the troll's post that's the real problem. More than one fine
>>newsgroup has been absolutely destroyed by well meaning people who just
>>can't resist the temptation to get their two cents in and see their name
>>up
>>there in that long line of dissenters telling off a troll.
>>When this happens, the troll simply advises his peers that a new group has
>>been found where responses can be counted.
>>Never forget. The single purpose of a troll post is to illicit that long
>>line of responses. Then the responses are counted. The troll who gets the
>>most responses gets his "reputation" enhanced a little. Every post made to
>>a
>>troll helps that troll and takes a newsgroup one step closer to losing the
>>troll wars.
>>Just something for the group to think about.
>>This last couple of threads with these two idiots bragging about stealing
>>software are a perfect example of threads that can lose you the newsgroup.
>>The answer is simple.
>>When you see a post that obviously has been written in such a way that it
>>violates, and is negative to the very purpose of a specific newsgroup; if
>>you answer that post, the poster is smarter than you are and has won the
>>Usenet trophy of the day. It's THAT simple folks! It's YOUR newsgroup.
>>Don't
>>lose it!
>>Dudley Henriques
>>
>>"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
>>> would like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding
>>> honesty etc which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group.
>>> Just wait a day or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue
>>> with being as helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you
>>> are
>>> still running it:)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Quilly
>>>
>>>
>>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>>
>>
>
>
> Here's my speel on trollism!!
>
>
>
>
> Trollish Activity
>
>
> by Gregory
>
> August 27, 2002
>
>
> Trollish activity can take on many forms. There can be trollish posts
> and trollish replies. Generally a troll will disrupt activities in a
> forum either intentionally or even while not being aware of it. Trolls
> often roam Usenet groups and plant topics which are certain to cause
> a disturbance.
>
> The sure sign of a troll in action is if a big `stink' is raised when
> the situation could much better be handled off the `main line' using
> messenging for instance. Trollish activity is usually rampant in the
> lower strata of Internet discussion groups where members compete
> for moderator status.. and `kicking' activity is commonplace.
>
>
> Effects of Trollish Activity
>
> Trollish activity can have a highly negative effect in an online
> community. Trolls can wreak havoc causing disputes and drive members
> away who would otherwise post quality material. Trolls often have
> little of value to contribute and gain attention by disruption.
> Generally speaking.. trolls disrupt an online forum in various ways..
> making it too annoying for individuals to post additional topics.
>
>
> Trollish Posts
>
> A trollish post is one which has the effect of causing a heated
> dispute between active members of a forum. An example of a trollish
> post would be the following: `when is MS going to release a patch for
> MSFS?'.
>
>
> Trollish Replies
>
> A trollish reply is one which directly or indirectly starts an
> argument or dispute to a legitimate or on-topic post. Another example
> is a reply which will disrupt a post such that no further discussion
> can take place on that subject. Trolls often disrupt posts in this
> way.
>
>
> General Troll Policy
>
> The common policy for trolls in most communities is `DO NOT FEED
> THE TROLLS'. An ignored troll will often go away since the attention
> which they seek is not forthcoming. If trolls become sufficiently
> annoying.. many discussion forums and user-clients have `filters'
> or blocks on a user or topic basis.
>
>
> Summary
>
> Trolls can be very disruptive. It is up to the moderators to set and
> enforce policies on trollish activity. Users have filter capability
> which will limit the impact of trolls. The best way to handle
> trollishness is to simple not reply. This.. in addition to filters and
> a clear forum policy.. can control or eliminate the problem that is
> TROLL.
>
>
> * * * * *
>
>
> Note: sender acknowleges this post itself may be trollish in nature.
> Comments or revisions to description and content on trollism are
> welcome.. post subject to change.
>
>
 
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would you believe i have still got MSFS95 on cd??? found it the other
day.... I wonder if i should load it??? hehehe
"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
would
> like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding honesty
etc
> which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group. Just wait a
day
> or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue with being as
> helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are still running
> it:)
>
> --
> Cheers
> Quilly
>
>
> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>
>
 
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I have it loaded up here. Everytime I want to complain about some new
add-on I fire it up just to remind me how far we've come in the last 10
years. Then I don't complain :) . If you're using WinXP just run it in
Windows95 compatibility mode and it's fine.

Trip

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"Paul R" <rudmans@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ll0Ke.1535$iM2.114650@news.xtra.co.nz...
> would you believe i have still got MSFS95 on cd??? found it the other
> day.... I wonder if i should load it??? hehehe
> "Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd7hg4$sbs$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> If you have just joined this newsgroup, welcome from the old hands. I
> would
>> like to assure you that the recent spate of arguments regarding honesty
> etc
>> which turned a bit nasty, is quite untypical of this group. Just wait a
> day
>> or so and the trolls will disappear and we will continue with being as
>> helpful about FS200/2/3/4 as we can be. Even FS98 if you are still
>> running
>> it:)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Quilly
>>
>>
>> Try 'Living With Technology' magazine
>> http://www.livtech.co.uk
>>
>>
>
>
 
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