?CPU.Parts.I.Need.ToUpgrade?

[Little]

Hi
My name is gary(grow apricots in australia).
I wish to upgrade my CPU but do not know what parts I need to buy,
I have design curcuits in past as hobby and quite good at assembly
but admit to no nothing about computers.

Processor- Intel Pentium 3 / Brand- 3. (256 MB RAM).
Platform- Slot 1 (SC242 Connector).
Vendor String- GenuineIntel.
CPU Type- Original OEM Processor 0.
Family- 6 / Model- 8 / Stepping ID- 1 (standard).
Internal Clock- 549.93 MHz / System Clock- 99.99 MHz.
System Bus- 99.99 MHz / Multiplier- 5.5.

Chip Set- 8086:7190.03
8086:7111.01
Xp Version 5.1.2600 Service pack 2.

Info found with FindChipSet program.

I was told my processor is old type and I would need to change the
board to upgrade CPU.(Is this the small board it sits on or is this board the CPU)?
I noticed when I installed a DVD Write/Read player myself that there
is a board that looks to plug in to main board and it has a fan that sits
flat on it.

I would like to know what I need and what I should be looking for to upgrade my CPU to Mybe >2GHz (I am not sure exactly yet and will make a decission based on component costs as my computer was very cheap
and I am not very financial so it will be a compromise type thing).

Can anybody help me understand enought so I can shop around myself.

Gary(little)
MenindeeAUSTRALIA.

 

[zarooch]

would you please mind telling how much are you wiling to spend on the upgrade.

you said ur good at assembly and hell you know nothing about computer? how can this be true? 8O , u don't know wot is a processor? where it is placed? c'mon!

get an Intel Pentium D 930 with Intel D945GPM board, and 80G of HDD, u already have a DVD, get 512MB or 1 Gig RAM, that all will cost u around 500 to 600 USD (rough guess)... so do ask if u have more queries!

 

[Little]

Hi Zarooch
A little rude but I guess you could take such a quick oppinion.

I live in outback town in Australia, I am 40 years old and have designed and
built many curcuits including a computer when I was 16.

Things have changed considerably since my exsperience 24 years ago.
This is the first time since to use a computer in any way. I connected the phone and computer in december this year and it is another world you
could say. I have been busy for many years shearing sheep and farming.

I had been told that $200 dollars Australian would get to 2.6GIG in parts.
That would seem to be wrong by your reply.
Thank you very much for your advise.
I note you say a Intel D945GPM Board, so this is the standard upgrade board to allow the newer CPUs? I think this mybe what I needed to know if it is.
I hoped to put adaptor board in for my exsisting computer so newer chip can be installed, someone mentioned my board type excepts only <1GHz
chips.
I will learn more about this as I go, all takes time(learn slower when older)
Again thanks for your help.
Mybe with a little more knowledge in the future I may be able to help others as you have helped me.
Gary

 

[zarooch]

well... 200$ AUS - 2.6 GHz in parts?

okies, here is a quick link goto www.newegg.com, there u'll find computer components in parts... and u can check the prices (in USD), anywayz...

quick intro into the new world of computer of today...
1. There is a motherboard on which CPU, RAM and a Graphics Card is separately mounted.
2. On this very motherboard the HDD, CDROM/DVD and FDD is connected via cables (provided with them).
3. The CPU Intel Pentium D 930 (3.0 GHz, 2 * 2MB of L2 Cache each core, 800 MHz FSB) is a dual core processor which is mounted on a LGA 775 socket. on top of this CPU is a heatsink (silver color usually) and on the top of this heat sink there is a FAN which is used to keep the CPU cool!
4. RAM is inserted in DIMM sockets!
5. Graphics card is inserted in PCI x16, used to render graphics (GPU).
6. HDD, CD/DVD, FDD - secondary storage media!
enough for the intro.
now the board Intel D945GPM has integrated graphics card (GMA 950) and sound card so u won't need to buy these separately. you just need to get a CPU, RAM, HDD, FDD (if u need one), CD/DVD +-, and of course the motherboard itself... now answer to the question of standard upgrade board... well i think this board wont allow the newer CPUs, coz in june july and august intel is coming up with new cpus so better wait for them to get the latest and greatest... then u'll have to buy a compatible mobo for the processor, etc etc

 

[zarooch]

here is a chipset diagram that will make u better understand things...

Intel 945G Chipset Diagram

 

[Little]

A HAR
The plot thickens.

In a conversation last week I had been lead to believe the original mother
board could stay and the secondary board would need to be changed to accept the 2.6 GIG CPU.
I think this may be erroneous, I may of misunderstood.
I should have looked a little closer at the set up when I had the cover off but I
was in two much of a hurry to try the DVD out(heaps better than CD I find).

Just a note- by newer CPUs I meant only a little faster (not upto date) I choose the wrong word.

It would seem that although I can not afford it. A newer computer would posibly be a good consideration in these circimstance?
I will try and find mate I meet in BrokenHill(close city) and see if he wants to upgrade my computer to 2.6GIG for me(could be interesting).
Gary

 

[zarooch]

post your complete current system specs..., then it would be easier for me to let you know wot additional (necessary) things u need to upgrade.. okay? do consult newegg.com, a very good website indeed!

 

[zarooch]

use a program called "CPU-Z" d/l it freely available, get some screen shots of the CPU tab, mobo tab and RAM tab post it here so that i examine it!

 

[1Tanker]

use a program called "CPU-Z" d/l it freely available, get some screen shots of the CPU tab, mobo tab and RAM tab post it here so that i examine it!

Very hard to know if someone is "Yanking your chain"....isn't it?

I guess you have to give everyone a reasonable doubt?...Hard to imagine

though.

 

[endyen]

You probably need a D930 about as much as you need a lunar lander.
From the looks of things, you will need a new motherboard, chip, ram, and graphics card. (or a motherboard with integrated graphics may be better for you)
I'm not too familiar with prices in Oz, but something like this,this, and this should do the job.
Hopefully your old case and psu is ATX. You will be fine with your old (new) DVD drive, and if you want to keep it, your floppy should be fine. You may find your old hard drive is slowing you down, so maybe sooner or later.

 

[linux_0]

Hello :-D

To upgrade your PC you would need the following parts:

0. a new motherboard

1. a new CPU

2. RAM

and possibly:

3. new PSU

4. new HDD

5. DVD drive


Something like this perhaps:

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=3213166


Your existing motherboard cannot take a 2.6GHz CPU of any kind so it must be replaced.

If you have a decent ATX PSU you may be able to reuse it.

If your HDD is still good you can probably keep it.


$200 AU = $150 USD so that will probably buy you a Sempron

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=3180925


AMD is releasing a new product line in 9 days. That may result in lower prices, so wait a few weeks if you can live with your existing setup for a little bit longer.

:-D

 

[apache_lives]

Order a Dell?

you cant really upgrade your system, or use any of your current parts in a new system so buy a whole new box.

Sadly for your usage a dell would prolly do you best with everything like delivery, waranty and help/support etc.

 

[zarooch]

linux0, endyen:
thanx guys u came to help... this "Little" guy really needs some serious help!
"Little" i think u should buy a whole new computer! as everyone is suggesteing!

 

[Little]

I am having some trouble getting the CPU-z images to paste to this forum.
I guess just to much info, so I will try and alter it in office some how and get back soon. thanks very much for trying to help.

 

[zarooch]

ok sure, take your time!...

 

[Little]

Very Sorry it took so long, I have not used this before and googled to
learn how to do screen shots.
I just noticed "About Tab" has "HTML Report"(saves as words).



CPU-Z Report
________________________________________
CPU-Z version 1.33.1.
CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 1

Name Intel Pentium III E
Code Name Coppermine
Specification Intel Pentium III E 550MHz
Family / Model / Stepping 6 8 1
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 2
Package Slot 1 SECC2
Core Stepping cA2
Technology 0.18 um
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE
CPU Clock Speed 549.9 MHz
Clock multiplier x 5.5
Front Side Bus Frequency 100.0 MHz
Bus Speed 100.0 MHz
L1 Data Cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L2 Latency 0
L2 Speed 549.9 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 ECC Check enabled
L2 Data Prefetch Logic no
L2 Bus Width 256 bits



Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer Corporation Name
Motherboard model i440BX-8671, 1.0
BIOS vendor Award Software International, Inc.
BIOS revision 4.51 PG
BIOS release date 08/26/99
Chipset Intel i440BX/ZX rev. C1
Southbridge Intel 82371 (PIIX4) rev. 02
Sensor chip Winbond W83782D

Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Status enabled, rev. 2.0
AGP Data Transfer Rate 2x
AGP Max Rate 2x
AGP Side Band Addressing not supported, not enabled



Memory
DRAM Type SDRAM
DRAM Size 256 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 100.0 MHz
FSBRAM 1:1
CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 2 clocks
RAS# Precharge 2 clocks
DRAM Idle Timer 16 clocks
# of memory modules 1
Module 0 SDRAM PC133 - 256 MBytes



Software
Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX version 9.0c

I may have to at least look into buying second hand components to
if posible untill november when with luck I get a reasonable crop of apricots. All is crossed as the last few years have been pretty ordinary.

Gary

 

[306maxi]

Very Sorry it took so long, I have not used this before and googled to
learn how to do screen shots.
I just noticed "About Tab" has "HTML Report"(saves as words).



CPU-Z Report
________________________________________
CPU-Z version 1.33.1.
CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 1

Name Intel Pentium III E
Code Name Coppermine
Specification Intel Pentium III E 550MHz
Family / Model / Stepping 6 8 1
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 2
Package Slot 1 SECC2
Core Stepping cA2
Technology 0.18 um
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE
CPU Clock Speed 549.9 MHz
Clock multiplier x 5.5
Front Side Bus Frequency 100.0 MHz
Bus Speed 100.0 MHz
L1 Data Cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L2 Latency 0
L2 Speed 549.9 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 ECC Check enabled
L2 Data Prefetch Logic no
L2 Bus Width 256 bits



Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer Corporation Name
Motherboard model i440BX-8671, 1.0
BIOS vendor Award Software International, Inc.
BIOS revision 4.51 PG
BIOS release date 08/26/99
Chipset Intel i440BX/ZX rev. C1
Southbridge Intel 82371 (PIIX4) rev. 02
Sensor chip Winbond W83782D

Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Status enabled, rev. 2.0
AGP Data Transfer Rate 2x
AGP Max Rate 2x
AGP Side Band Addressing not supported, not enabled



Memory
DRAM Type SDRAM
DRAM Size 256 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 100.0 MHz
FSBRAM 1:1
CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 2 clocks
RAS# Precharge 2 clocks
DRAM Idle Timer 16 clocks
# of memory modules 1
Module 0 SDRAM PC133 - 256 MBytes



Software
Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX version 9.0c

I may have to at least look into buying second hand components to
if posible untill november when with luck I get a reasonable crop of apricots. All is crossed as the last few years have been pretty ordinary.

Gary

Hey there fellow Australian

I'm from Perth. Tell us what state you're in and I'll see if I can find an online store anywhere near where you are

Good luck with the apricots. I have fond memories of stripping trees of apricots as a young boy and I don't mean to say I was harvesting the apricots either

 

[Little]

Hello Perth Aussie

Yes, I am in Menindee NSW walking distance from Menindee Lakes on the Darling River. You may of heard of Menindee lake Sceme, it is quite large and at present quite dry.

If you can point me in the right direction it would be very much apreciated.
I do not buy locally because there is no competition and acordingly no bargins

Every body out here gets goods from Mildura or Adelaide.
Computer parts are not somthing I have exsperience with just cardboard boxes, machinery parts and the like.

Ironicaly, I have been searching for a monitor today- maybe you know this place?

T u g g e r a n o n g
Computer Centre
272 Anketell St, Tuggeranong. ACT. 2905
Ph: (02) 6293 1027
Fax: (02) 6293 2027
Email: info@tcc.com.au
EX-Government 17inch monitors $50-

I emailed and will call them tomorrow, also Computerbank's Surplus Store
has CRT 19inch monitors on web site for $100(will contact tomorow)

Keep in touch if you wish, we may be able to talk software also (I am enjoying collecting) only ISDN but I keep it working.

Thanks Gary

 

[penguinusaf]

I just resently build a pretty allright pc for light gamming, and word processing, it cost around AUD 600, down with the stats:

processor: intel Celeron D 2.66GHz,
Ram : DDR1 (400) 1gb
Graphic card: ATI 9550 (256Mb) 8x AGP
mobo: gigabyte GA-8s661fxm
PSU : 480W true power
HDD: 80GB
DVD-rom
and a case.

 

[zarooch]

Very Sorry it took so long, I have not used this before and googled to
learn how to do screen shots.
I just noticed "About Tab" has "HTML Report"(saves as words).



CPU-Z Report
________________________________________
CPU-Z version 1.33.1.
CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 1

Name Intel Pentium III E
Code Name Coppermine
Specification Intel Pentium III E 550MHz
Family / Model / Stepping 6 8 1
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 2
Package Slot 1 SECC2
Core Stepping cA2
Technology 0.18 um
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE
CPU Clock Speed 549.9 MHz
Clock multiplier x 5.5
Front Side Bus Frequency 100.0 MHz
Bus Speed 100.0 MHz
L1 Data Cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L2 Latency 0
L2 Speed 549.9 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 ECC Check enabled
L2 Data Prefetch Logic no
L2 Bus Width 256 bits



Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer Corporation Name
Motherboard model i440BX-8671, 1.0
BIOS vendor Award Software International, Inc.
BIOS revision 4.51 PG
BIOS release date 08/26/99
Chipset Intel i440BX/ZX rev. C1
Southbridge Intel 82371 (PIIX4) rev. 02
Sensor chip Winbond W83782D

Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Status enabled, rev. 2.0
AGP Data Transfer Rate 2x
AGP Max Rate 2x
AGP Side Band Addressing not supported, not enabled



Memory
DRAM Type SDRAM
DRAM Size 256 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 100.0 MHz
FSBRAM 1:1
CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 2 clocks
RAS# Precharge 2 clocks
DRAM Idle Timer 16 clocks
# of memory modules 1
Module 0 SDRAM PC133 - 256 MBytes



Software
Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX version 9.0c

I may have to at least look into buying second hand components to
if posible untill november when with luck I get a reasonable crop of apricots. All is crossed as the last few years have been pretty ordinary.

Gary

okay "Little" sounds like u've got an antique, but anywayz... thinking of upgrades to this computer with current configuration, well sorry to say its not possible!

its very old now... u'll have to buy a new one... maybe the one suggested by 'penguinusaf', also i'll suggest not to buy any second hand computer component... but that's just my personal opinion... anywayz... u can let me know your needs (what work u'll be doing on the computer) and i can tell you wot things to look for and possibly buy them. I hope ur crop of apricots will generate good revenue for you this year, so that u can meet your needs!, best of luck!

 

[Little]

Hi There

I will have a look at what you assembled, not to say I will actually understand.
I note almost all users on forums talk of gaming, they talk of 3d and very fast
CPU/ Graphics etc.
My requirement is not as critical in these areas and I would imagine there would be very notable improvements for fast games when the graphics/CPU is fast, there are many pixels to move around.
My use will be for watching agricultural movies/play a little music and it would be good to have a little faster processor for reducing any bottle necks in streaming, also to allow a couple of windows open concurent without slowing
to much.
I wish to learn a little of video card requirements that might well suite the playing of movies (not really into the 3d game thing) but the requirements might be one of the same?????
Gary

 

[CallumN]

Very hard to know if someone is "Yanking your chain"....isn't it?

I guess you have to give everyone a reasonable doubt?...Hard to imagine

though.

Yes, very.

There are two ways of going about this as far as i see:

1) Get a slot 1 to socket 370 converter, and a pentium 3 1.26Ghz CPU (highest available for you current motherboard), that would be a great improvement, and slap in another 256Mb RAM. I can see this being aprox. 50% faster over your current PC. It would mean that it would be minimal to you wallet, and should be everything that you need. These parts can be picked out for a few quid on Ebay, and the CPU and CPU socket converter (that you spoke of eariler) would come to no more then £20(UK). This would mean that you would not have to bother with the power suply unit, motherboard, case, or anything like that.

2) An AMD Athlon XP 2000+ (or higher to suit the size of your wallet) CPU, on a cheap motherboard, with cheapish RAM. This should come to no more than £50, £60 on a bad day. However with this you will need a graphics card, and may run into problems with power suply units (PSU), and the sorts. This does however offer much more upgradability for if it is a good year for you (sincearly hope it is).


You asked about graphics cards for watching DVD's and the like, well they require very little power as far as i can remember, and i think that they are more dependant on the CPU, but dont quote me on that. Either way, something cheap like an ATI 9200 or GeForce4 Ti4200 should see you through, but that is not my area of expertise.

Hope this helps, and please keep asking, people are always happy to help.

 

[CallumN]

Just read over your system spec again, and i think that you main gain if you downgrade from windows xp to windows 2000 Service Pack 4. Its much smaller, and should run faster. However if it means cutting into your budget because you cant "aquire" it , then spend the extra dough on hardware.

 

[Primitivus]

This thread is so much FUN!

 

[Little]

Hi there All

Just a note to thank you for the education, it has been very much apreciated.
I am glade I asked, I lear'nt more here in 24 Hrs than I could learn in a week
with google.
Google is good and is how I have lear'nt what I do know but there is a lot of unecisery stuff you have to read on the way.

I can sort through the surgestions, put them in order or reality(cost) and have a bit of confidence in the market that I will get some thing to do what I need.

This is a very good forum, I would surgest to others like me to point out early
your exact need or if you like gaming just let the boys go and they will put you on the right track (I think).

Finaly- When I was about 15 year old I imported a computer from England to Australia.
I think it was a (letter?)/X, this was not available in Australia.
The Computer was Black & White and programs were recorded on cassete.
I had no pre made programs, just a book that I studied.
Programs were made with numbered lines of information in Basic- (AND/THEN/GOTO)etc.
I can remember making (for example) a one player tenis game like bating a ball against a wall. The ball would take seconds to cross the screen and the pixels were so large they were square, objects you made had steped edges.
Imported a speech synthisiser the next year for (this was around 25 years
ago) then I had to go and earn a living so that was as far as I went.

Cheers all
Gary