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Burt wrote:
>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>I believe what you say. I did read Neils article and I have also gone to
>>Alotofthings. I do not especially like to do business on Ebay or get
>>involved with pay pal. I hear that they are targets for hackers and
>>security may be a problem. I write computer programs so I am especially
>>skeptical about security. The hackers are very bright people.
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>As I recall, paypal doesn't get enough information from you to do identity
>theft. I have had two instances of credit card fraud over the 44 years I
>have used credit cards. They were low tech cases in which a clerk copied
>the info from my card and charged items on it. My net cost was zero,
>although I had to spend some time working with the credit card company to
>get the charges reversed. A nuisance, but not a disaster.
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>>I am very careful about what e commerce sites I do business with.
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>>One thing does perplex me about 3rd party inks. The MIS ink carts do not
>>say they are not MIS ink. I find that disturbing. I also do not know if
>>MIS is the mfg of MIS inks. If they are not then if they change suppliers
>>than the inks will be different.
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>I called MIS tech support and they were up front on this info. They also
>said that the prefilled cart inks performed the same as theirs, but I am so
>pleased with their product that I wouldn't bother.
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I cannot understand why your supplier for MIS does not use MIS in their
pre-filled cartridges. Just because they say they are as good it would
be nice to know the brand. I would like to see posts on that. I would
also like to find a supplier for Formulabs carts other than
Alotofthings. I find it difficult to get good information on their poor
Ebay and incomplete corporate websites. I also do not like the fact
that they actually say they do not want phone calls and they do not take
orders on the phone.
I find it difficult that as large a company as Formulabs is, they do not
have numbers retailers selling their stuff.
>Although I don't know
>Niel Slade personally I believe he is right that there are inks from a few
>high quality producers that several retailers like MIS repackage and sell.
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I would like to know who those few high quality producers are and what
retailers like MIS are selling to who. I emailed many of these
retailers asking who their mfg/formulators were. The answers I received
varied widely and could not be tabulated into those "few high quality
producers" Neil talks about.
I certainly would like to see a dozen retailers selling any one of those
3 high quality producers. Then it would be easy to track information on
them both positive and negative.
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>Unless the producer of the MIS inks goes out of business or their quality
>slips I would expect that they would continue to sell the same product.
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>>I have owned my printer for 5 months and have the original OEM inks. I
>>would probably use not more than 3 sets. Most of my business documents
>>are done on my HP. The draft quality on my 990Cse is better than the
>>Canon standard but slightly slower than the speed of the Canon standard.
>>The Canon draft speed is no contest. My wife uses that to print EMail and
>>driving directions.
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>All my text printing is done on an HP5p laser printer that I have used
>without a single glitch for 8 years. If you have a high volume of text
>printing a laser printer is more economical to use.
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I do not have a high volume of text. The computer programs I print
require the use of a color printer. The keywords, arguments, and
statements all print in different colors.
I think one reason you do not have problems with MIS is the sheer volume
you print. May others who use MIS and print infrequently have some
problems. I do not know but I would like to hear from them.
>If you are still
>printing from the original carts after 5 months your color print volume may
>not justify refilling. Considering the cost of the refill inks and
>equiptment, however, for the cost of about 4 retail carts you would be in
>the refill business for a very long time!
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>>However, I am tempted to look into 3rd party. I do hear that Formulabs
>>ink is good.
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>A poster named Taliesyn has responded to several of your posts and routinely
>gives good information and advice. He uses alotofthings carts that have
>Formulabs inks. They are available on their ebay store. They sell two
>different brands of carts and the one you want is the Arrow cart and not the
>Rainbow brand. I emailed them recently and they responded that the Arrow
>carts have Formulabs inks and the Rainbow carts do not.
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>>The bottom line on 3rd party inks from what I glean from this newsgroups
>>and other like this is that most people who have printer clogging can
>>trace their problem to 3rd party inks. There are many more Epson problems
>>than Canon and those people who use pigment colorants like those in the
>>Epson R800 really have problems.
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>I had an Epson printer (dye based inks and pre-chipped carts) that produced
>nice looking photos, but not of the quality that my i960 does. Eventually I
>did have banding as a result of dried ink buildup under the printhead and
>some minor clogging. I was able to bring it back to excellent function with
>advice from Art Entlich on this forum. I also started exploring purchase of
>a new printer for a variety of reasons and liked Neil Slades info best. The
>fact is that all inkjet printers will eventually clog - often from
>underutilization.
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So far I am fortunate.
>Generally they can be unclogged. both Neil Slade and Art
>Entlich have excellent advice for unclogging printers. What I have
>understood from most of the posts that relate third party inks to clogging
>is that the filling technique and/or condition of a cart that has been
>filled several times have a lot to do with what might be perceived as a
>clogged jet. Overfilling, not fully sealing the fill hole, and blockage of
>the vent hole are some of the causes that give the appearance of a clog.
>None of these conditions is usually fatal to the printer or the print head.
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>Bottom line - we throw caution to the wind every time we drive a car, walk
>across the street or step into a bathtub! Mechanical devices don't last
>forever. Some people are more cautious than others and are extremely risk
>aversive. Others may take extreme risks where caution would be a better
>approach. I'm not a sky diver or motorcycle rider, but I do drive and will
>fly with a bush pilot in a single engine plane to go fly fishing in a remote
>area. You've certainly gathered enough information to decide, yea or nay,
>about third party inks and/or refilling.
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The information I would like are some kind of official results that
would prove that sellers A<B<C<D<E<etc sell producer X, Y and Z, either
under their own brand or with the factory name. If they use their own
brand they should disclose the factory since this is the criteria you
need to know, based on market reputation, how the ink will perform in
your brand of printer and against you printer OEM inks.
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