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Is it safe to Buy Shader Model 2.0 ?

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May 15, 2006 1:06:51 AM

Because I want to buy an ATI Radeon X850XT Pci-e 256mb, 256bit graphics card for around $170 that supports Shader Model 2.0, but not 3.0

Or I want to buy a Nvidia 7600gt that has 256mb, pci-e that supports Shader Model 3.0 but only has a 128bit interface.

I really want to buy the ATI card but I think that I may pay for it down the line, because the card only supports shader model 2.0. Do you guys think that it will be a big problem if I dont buy a Graphic card with Shader Model 3.0? :( 

Oh and............I got all this information form the first sticky in this forum.
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May 15, 2006 1:17:33 AM

The X850XT is a bad ass card, and it's framereates will be a bit above that of a 7600GT, but I would choose the 7600GT over it.

The 7600GT supports the features that todays games ask for, plus other modes that are up with the times.

The questions you are asking have been a favorite argument among the regulars here...the X850XT is a beloved card among many, but in my oppinion, it's time is up, and if you buy this card, although fast, you will feel as though you invested in something outdated.

I've been through it myself.

Get the 7600GT, and get the features that todays games ask for, it's a great performing card, and you wont be sorry.
May 15, 2006 1:41:52 AM

What about the 128 bit interface that the 7600gt card has? will I regret buying that?
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May 15, 2006 1:42:59 AM

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May 15, 2006 2:33:30 AM

No
the performance of this card makes up for it in my opinion.
May 15, 2006 3:17:23 AM

Not likely, the 7600gt is a whipass card, great for algorithmic cruching for todays demanding games, want something with more actane for PCIe??
The 7900gt :!:
A killer card for a killer price :!: $300 8O
Now thats a card worth investing over, it will last you at least 4yrs down the road, and if you are planning to upgrade to VISTA, no worries the 7900gt is VISTA ready :!:
What more could you ask?? Oh and yes its got sm3.0
a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2006 3:17:40 AM

To his surprise ;)  I am siding with GW here. Not because I think the X850XT is outdated per say, but because priced the same I think the 7600GT is the way to go. If on the other hand, you could save $30-50 going with the X850XT (as was once the case) I'd say go for it as it's the better buy performing at or better than the 7600GT.

If you get a factory overclocked 7600GT(or overclock it some yourself) it really is up in the same league as the X850XT, while allowing you to play around with HDR in games like Oblivion and Farcry. From what some here have reported, an overclocked 7600GT is a pretty amazing card and is capable of running Open-EXR HDR better than most of us expected. priced the same, I'd take an eVGA 7600GT CO or a BFG 7600GT OC card over a X850XT. Only reason I wouldn't buy the 7600GT is if I could find a X1800GTO for about the same price. It's about equal to 7600GT at stock speeds but should have even a greater OC'in potential paired with it's 256-bit mem interface.
May 15, 2006 3:23:33 AM

anything but the BFG, WTF is wrong with you :lol: 
May 15, 2006 3:35:44 AM

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To his surprise ;)  I am siding with GW here.

I used a jedi mind trick on you :wink:
a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2006 3:49:37 AM

Hmm, no wonder I started talking such nonsense. :p 


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Someone just posted that link to the oem version of my card. $240 and no rebate! You could sell your used 7800GS for close to that right.( I won't tell anyone what you've done to it) ;)  And if you didn't destroy it after running 3dmark06, you could even use the X800GTO if there is an overlap. I know you are very happy with the 7800GS, but this is Just an attempt to win you back over to the red side. :D 
May 15, 2006 4:50:52 AM

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I know you are very happy with the 7800GS, but this is Just an attempt to win you back over to the red side. :D 

I really dont want another ATi card any time soon, I'm burnt out on them.

I like the control panel options and the easy moddability Nvidia has going for them. You dont even have to flash nVidia cards to unlock them, simply use Rivatuner.

I can go on and on, but the fact is I simply needed to try something different. I used to be the biggest fanATic on these boards, but the fire has burned out.

**edit**

Also Paul, look at all the trouble you've had overclocking your X1800. If that was an nVidia card in your box, all you'd have to do to overclock it would be to move the fucking sliders up :roll:
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May 15, 2006 5:14:31 AM

Oh well, maybe a cheap super-clocked 7900GT is in your future then.

I agree it was alot more of a hassle than I was expecting. But it seems that unlocking overdrive was my first mistake, and using overclocker was my second mistake. ATI tool is going fine now, and it even has the software adjustable voltages a guy like you could abuse. ;) 
May 15, 2006 4:28:56 PM

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You dont even have to flash nVidia cards to unlock them, simply use Rivatuner.


Aha... but to voltmod Ati X1x00 cards, you don't even have to solder them, simply use Atitool... that's a nice bonus too. :wink:

However the X850 XT doesn't have that ability, and the 7600 GT is a plenty fast card, just as fast as the X850 XT in most cases despite the memory interface.

Same price, I'd go for the 7600 GT as well.
May 15, 2006 6:00:58 PM

well, they perform pretty much the same...

x850XT has 16 pipelines versus 12 of the 7600GT, but on the other way the 7600GT gpu works at 580mhz versus 500 from the x850xt.
also, 7600GT's memory runs at 1.4ghz 128-bit, while the x850xt's runs at 1ghz 256-bit

all together, that's why they perform very close one to another...

for the original question, i would go for the 7600GT, because of SM3, 90nm and its SLI capability
May 15, 2006 6:09:53 PM

Well, i'd recon it's quite evenly matched.

X850XT = SM2.0b (MUCH better than normal 2.0a)
7600GT = SM3.0 + HDr (altough I don't actually know the performance of this card with HDR)

So, if HDr performance is good on the 7600GT, then I'd say go for it. BUT, if it's bad then I'd say go with the X850XT seeing that plain SM2.0 and SM3.0 doesn't differ by much - unless one wishes to use a magnifying glass. :lol:  Plus the X850XT can go guite high in res with certain games.

Again, I'm advising on little to none knowledge of the 7600GT - more like a hypothesis.

That's my view...
May 15, 2006 6:10:19 PM

Well, i'd recon it's quite evenly matched.

X850XT = SM2.0b (MUCH better than normal 2.0a)
7600GT = SM3.0 + HDr (altough I don't actually know the performance of this card with HDR)

So, if HDr performance is good on the 7600GT, then I'd say go for it. BUT, if it's bad then I'd say go with the X850XT seeing that plain SM2.0 and SM3.0 doesn't differ by much - unless one wishes to use a magnifying glass. :lol:  Plus the X850XT can go guite high in res with certain games.

Again, I'm advising on little to none knowledge of the 7600GT - more like a hypothesis.

That's my view...
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