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May 15, 2006 5:48:10 PM

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Want to eat into business desktop market

By INQUIRER staff: Monday 15 May 2006, 07:22
NVIDIA AND AMD are readying to give Intel a bloody nose in the business market, confirming our earlier reports it's readying a full frontal attack on Chipzilla.

See Nvidia, AMD square off against Intel business PCs.

According to Echannel Line, Nvidia has signed up the top 20 system integrators worldwide to take a chunk out of Intel's arm and Dell's leg.

The initiative, according to Nvidia product manager, could eat 20 million business PCs in its first year.

The corporate market has so far been an uphill struggle for AMD on the desktop front, but its foothold with servers allied to an Nvidia reference mobo could give it a fighting chance to make some wins. µ

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May 15, 2006 9:48:54 PM

Quote:
Want to eat into business desktop market

By INQUIRER staff: Monday 15 May 2006, 07:22
NVIDIA AND AMD are readying to give Intel a bloody nose in the business market, confirming our earlier reports it's readying a full frontal attack on Chipzilla.

See Nvidia, AMD square off against Intel business PCs.

According to Echannel Line, Nvidia has signed up the top 20 system integrators worldwide to take a chunk out of Intel's arm and Dell's leg.

The initiative, according to Nvidia product manager, could eat 20 million business PCs in its first year.

The corporate market has so far been an uphill struggle for AMD on the desktop front, but its foothold with servers allied to an Nvidia reference mobo could give it a fighting chance to make some wins. µ

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Yeah. Dell Sucks Nacho Libre BallZ. But Change your Intel Fanboy thing on ur Stats. Conroe EE 3.33Ghz is really starting to make me think about becoming a Intel fan now. Althoguh i'm getting a Opteron 175@ 2.8Ghz and the Conroe E6700 or Maybe the 3.34Ghz EE Conroe. Yay the 2 Fastest Computers in Toronto. I hope and wish i'm the first!!!!!!!
May 15, 2006 9:55:19 PM

Funny, their big push will get shot down when conroe comes out, not that I care either way.
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May 15, 2006 10:45:49 PM

Curious that you post the article on a forum. So--you DID get permission from the author, right?

This article doesn't matter a whole lot I suppose, being that it is speculation. Also, NVIDIA is used in many Dell systems still, so I doubt NVIDIA would want to go against one of their allies at this point. I could be wrong. If so...nice knowing ya NVIDIA.
May 16, 2006 12:06:01 AM

Quote:
Want to eat into business desktop market

By INQUIRER staff: Monday 15 May 2006, 07:22
NVIDIA AND AMD are readying to give Intel a bloody nose in the business market, confirming our earlier reports it's readying a full frontal attack on Chipzilla.

See Nvidia, AMD square off against Intel business PCs.

According to Echannel Line, Nvidia has signed up the top 20 system integrators worldwide to take a chunk out of Intel's arm and Dell's leg.

The initiative, according to Nvidia product manager, could eat 20 million business PCs in its first year.

The corporate market has so far been an uphill struggle for AMD on the desktop front, but its foothold with servers allied to an Nvidia reference mobo could give it a fighting chance to make some wins. µ

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AMd P4Wn5 InteL, 1n+EL 4Nd D3LL wiLl DiE 8EC4USe AmD 4nD Nv1di@ 4Re w4y B3++ER +HaN 1NT3l 4nD d3lL. BOw D0Wn +O AMd n0Ob$!!!
May 16, 2006 12:48:48 AM

Quote:
Want to eat into business desktop market

By INQUIRER staff: Monday 15 May 2006, 07:22
NVIDIA AND AMD are readying to give Intel a bloody nose in the business market, confirming our earlier reports it's readying a full frontal attack on Chipzilla.

See Nvidia, AMD square off against Intel business PCs.

According to Echannel Line, Nvidia has signed up the top 20 system integrators worldwide to take a chunk out of Intel's arm and Dell's leg.

The initiative, according to Nvidia product manager, could eat 20 million business PCs in its first year.

The corporate market has so far been an uphill struggle for AMD on the desktop front, but its foothold with servers allied to an Nvidia reference mobo could give it a fighting chance to make some wins. µ

L'INQ
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AMd P4Wn5 InteL, 1n+EL 4Nd D3LL wiLl DiE 8EC4USe AmD 4nD Nv1di@ 4Re w4y B3++ER +HaN 1NT3l 4nD d3lL. BOw D0Wn +O AMd n0Ob$!!!
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May 16, 2006 1:04:35 AM

Funny how by reading a post you can tell who the kids are and who the adults are. First of all, Conroe's spectacular benchmarks are a myth, until its released. Everything you have read has been an "engineering sample". Remember how intel pimped the Prescott "engineering samples". Haha.
Either way, I hope conroe kicks ass, cause thats just going to bring intel its first real competative processor in 2 years. That will bring the prices down for us all. But we all know, AMDis not about to stop its market rape when it's been gaining market for so long. They will keep pace trust me. Intel has been following amd's archietecture in order to catch up. Thats why the new core duo's are not clocked very high. Intel finally realized clock speed and cache mean nothing with their current architecture.
May 16, 2006 2:27:29 AM

My previous post was in jest at Spud....

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But we all know, AMDis not about to stop its market rape when it's been gaining market for so long. They will keep pace trust me.


Other than speculation of K8L what else is there? I read a lot, web pages, forums etc for tech news and all I have heard about is K8L in distance and K10 in late 2008, maybe.

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Intel has been following amd's architecture in order to catch up. Thats why the new core duo's are not clocked very high. Intel finally realized clock speed and cache mean nothing with their current architecture.


You may want to read this (http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT0309...) before speculating too much about the architecure. Of course this all comes from a person that will buy whatever performs the best and has no real loyalty to either AMD or Intel, but rather to my wallet.
May 16, 2006 2:32:50 AM

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Remember how intel pimped the Prescott "engineering samples". Haha.


No, they sucked.

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Intel has been following amd's archietecture in order to catch up. Thats why the new core duo's are not clocked very high. Intel finally realized clock speed and cache mean nothing with their current architecture.


What are you on?
May 16, 2006 2:58:44 AM

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AMd P4Wn5 InteL, 1n+EL 4Nd D3LL wiLl DiE 8EC4USe AmD 4nD Nv1di@ 4Re w4y B3++ER +HaN 1NT3l 4nD d3lL. BOw D0Wn +O AMd n0Ob$!!!


Please. Drink the stuff under the sink. All of it. Just to be sure.
May 16, 2006 3:11:33 AM

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What are you on?


Maybe he's snorting AS5 with 306Maxi?
May 16, 2006 3:15:10 AM

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Funny how by reading a post you can tell who the kids are and who the adults are. First of all, Conroe's spectacular benchmarks are a myth, until its released. Everything you have read has been an "engineering sample". Remember how intel pimped the Prescott "engineering samples". Haha.
Either way, I hope conroe kicks ass, cause thats just going to bring intel its first real competative processor in 2 years. That will bring the prices down for us all. But we all know, AMDis not about to stop its market rape when it's been gaining market for so long. They will keep pace trust me. Intel has been following amd's archietecture in order to catch up. Thats why the new core duo's are not clocked very high. Intel finally realized clock speed and cache mean nothing with their current architecture.


There weren’t any Prescott engineering samples that were pimped or hot-rodded.
May 16, 2006 4:03:31 AM

Just to say, I like Dell their service is excellent.
I recommend them to non-computer literate friends.

However on the subject, but shouldn't AMD and NVidia try harder to work with Dell rather than againts.

AMD did it with SUN and now some of SUN's X86 based servers are Opterons. We bought a few and they work great.
May 16, 2006 5:04:04 AM

Perhaps I am invisible--?

Not trying to throw a tantrum, but c'mon guys--this is the inquirer! Not to mention the fact that DVDpiddy's post is against TGFORUMZ policy and frankly against "theinquirer.net"'s usage policy to COPY their article without written permission. I didn't want to come off as an arrogant ??ick or a tattle-tell, but at this point I may just have to blow the whistle.
May 16, 2006 5:20:21 AM

Its the inquirer, they'd feel honoured to have it posted here.
May 16, 2006 4:39:11 PM

MrsD you are way misinformed, what you have just stated about the Conroe benchmarks being a myth or false. Not to mention the whole debate about engineering samples being better than retail products is ludicrous and has been proven so by others far more knowledgeablethan I. But just use some common sense here, why in the hell would retail processors be worse than the engineering sample? I mean if they found out how to create the engineering sample, and assuming that it meets their expectation, then all they need to do is repeat what they did on massive scale.
May 16, 2006 4:42:43 PM

MrsD you are way misinformed, what you have just stated about the Conroe benchmarks being a myth or false. Not to mention the whole debate about engineering samples being better than retail products is ludicrous and has been proven so by others far more knowledgeablethan I. But just use some common sense here, why in the hell would retail processors be worse than the engineering sample? I mean if they found out how to create the engineering sample, and assuming that it meets their expectation, then all they need to do is repeat what they did on massive scale.
May 16, 2006 5:10:22 PM

dvdpiddy, you used to be at least a reasonable sort of guy....

Now that the mods have told 9-inch to stick it after they finally realised that 8O this site isn't 9-inch's blog 8O we don't need someone to fill his shoes, do we now.
May 17, 2006 12:05:24 AM

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dvdpiddy, you used to be at least a reasonable sort of guy....

Now that the mods have told 9-inch to stick it after they finally realised that 8O this site isn't 9-inch's blog 8O we don't need someone to fill his shoes, do we now.
I know i know i just wanted to try it once and see how it felt i'll stop now ok guys?
May 17, 2006 12:31:09 AM

AMD and Nvidia need to concentrate on getting something really worthwhile out to the market such as the XPS concept Dell recently showed. Best thing about it is that it fold up and looks exactly like a briefcase and is easy to carry even though its heavy. http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/06/hands-on-with-dells-xps-mobile-concept-pc/
I think this is where everything will be headed and these things would be so rediculously practical for buisness and home user's alike. Only drawback is unfortunly they are a pain in the ass to take apart and rely on bluetooth for the detachable KB and still have a touchpad. Killer performance and the 20 inch screen is :D 
May 17, 2006 1:00:38 AM

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AMD and Nvidia need to concentrate on getting something really worthwhile out to the market such as the XPS concept Dell recently showed. Best thing about it is that it fold up and looks exactly like a briefcase and is easy to carry even though its heavy. http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/06/hands-on-with-dells-xps-mobile-concept-pc/
I think this is where everything will be headed and these things would be so rediculously practical for buisness and home user's alike. Only drawback is unfortunly they are a pain in the ass to take apart and rely on bluetooth for the detachable KB and still have a touchpad. Killer performance and the 20 inch screen is :D 



AMD and nVidia are NOT going to sell systems. They want OEMs to embrace the platform. That's how Intel got business customers, by providing a platform for system builders to make "standardized" machines. If AMD/nVidia can provide a generic platform where they buy everything (including IGP) from one source that will be the last stone to turn to get Dell. Or to get some other OEMs to offer more business desktops. Can anyone say HP?
May 17, 2006 1:28:06 AM

Ye sry I should have been more clear. They should design something like that as a reference machine for a big vendor such as HP. HP is doing well this year so they would be the perfect candidate. I had to laugh the other day when I got one of the dell corp emails i get and they were bragging about how they had met their margins and blah blah blah and burried not too deeply was even more info about how much market share they has lost to HP last year and the reasoning they think and ways we should improve and blah blah blah. I think it's clear that not having AMD, especially in the past 2 years, has really hurt Dell and their reputation for support is only hurting them more. Hopefully Conroe will light up the fire under their ass or the shareholders will be angrier.
May 17, 2006 1:38:02 AM

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Curious that you post the article on a forum. So--you DID get permission from the author, right?


Dude, the only reason The Inquirer exists is because wacko fan boys like dvdpiddy post their insipid, half-correct articles in forums like these. And like minded knuckleheads click on the URL.

Were it not for forums, The Inquirer would be seen as nothing more than some lame blog... which is really what it is. Seriously, that stupid website has zero journalistic ethics or guidelines. 99% of the articles are based on rumors.
May 17, 2006 1:53:57 AM

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Ye sry I should have been more clear. They should design something like that as a reference machine for a big vendor such as HP. HP is doing well this year so they would be the perfect candidate. I had to laugh the other day when I got one of the dell corp emails i get and they were bragging about how they had met their margins and blah blah blah and burried not too deeply was even more info about how much market share they has lost to HP last year and the reasoning they think and ways we should improve and blah blah blah. I think it's clear that not having AMD, especially in the past 2 years, has really hurt Dell and their reputation for support is only hurting them more. Hopefully Conroe will light up the fire under their ass or the shareholders will be angrier.



That's the whole point of Tritium. AMD has enough momentum to carry them through the year. Businesses don't buy when a new proc or platform comes out. By the time AM2 is 50%, a new cycle will come around and if SuperMicro and Tyan pick up the platform, HP and Lenovo won't be far behind.
May 17, 2006 2:08:11 AM

I don't care what these companies are going to do with each other, as long as there's an affordable high performance chip in the end. They should compete with the cheapest price, that way they're both winners and me too.
May 17, 2006 2:52:58 AM

Tritium? Is that what AMD is calling their next gen processors? If so... they're going to run into a big trademark problem.

It's an isotope.

Tritium
May 17, 2006 2:53:59 AM

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Tritium? Is that what AMD is calling their next gen processors? If so... they're going to run into a big trademark problem.

It's an isotope.

Tritium


I think thats what Nvidia is calling the new platform, but don't quote me on it.
May 17, 2006 3:01:53 AM

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Tritium? Is that what AMD is calling their next gen processors? If so... they're going to run into a big trademark problem.

It's an isotope.

Tritium


I think thats what Nvidia is calling the new platform, but don't quote me on it.

Well, I don't think element names are trademarked but it is the codename for nVidia's new "platform model."
May 17, 2006 5:07:48 AM

Tritium(the platform, not the name) sounds pretty good to me I cant wait to see AM2's performance with DDR2 1200.
May 17, 2006 1:32:41 PM

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amd's archietecture


I'm guessing they have not taught you how to spell at your school yet then?

I am confused as to were and when you decided that the clock speed of a CPU is not important. Clock speed means a great deal with their new architecture, hence the reason they will have a wide spread of clock speed releases, infact from 2.16GHz to 3.33GHz (I could be wrong but this is what I last read). My maths being correct that is a 35.1% difference and also serveral hundred USD difference in price, and you say Intel now thinks clock speed means nothing?. As for cache size, if that is not important then why are intel consistantly increasing cache sizes with progressive CPU releases?
I assume by your comment on being able to tell who the kids are from the adults that you consider yourself quite a mature person. Cooking up statement like how intel 'pimped Prescott "engineering samples"' without backing it up is not exactly what I think is befitting of a mature adult, if you are going to make a sweeping statement like that you need to back it up if anyone who is level headed will take it as credible.

Have a nice day
May 17, 2006 2:08:27 PM

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Were it not for forums, The Inquirer would be seen as nothing more than some lame blog... which is really what it is. Seriously, that stupid website has zero journalistic ethics or guidelines. 99% of the articles are based on rumors.


Rumors? I thought it was just fiction that Inq writers dreamt up?
May 17, 2006 3:23:28 PM

Just a few things. Conroe isn't even on the street yet. When it is, and if it turns out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, then we can bestow greatness upon it. I, for one, would like to see it meet expectations. However, I have learned never to get too excited over things like this because reality often disappoints expectations, and the wanting turns out to be much better than the having. As for AMD, they will never have processors in Dell machines, as Dell has no good business reasons for using AMD and jeopardizing their relationship with Intel. The masses who buy Dell don't care whose chips are in the machines. They want low price. As for nVidia, I don't think they really care either way.
May 17, 2006 3:49:35 PM

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The masses who buy Dell don't care whose chips are in the machines. They want low price. As for nVidia, I don't think they really care either way.


You also have to consider this, though: Intel makes its own chipsets, and pushes those heavily as part of its profit-making plan.
AMD designs some chipsets, but prefers to leave their manufacture to partners, such as Nvidia.
Nvidia can count some design wins in OEM Intel-based business machines, true. But lots of Dells and others are all Intel -- cpus and chipsets.
No AMD machine will ever be manufactured with an Intel-based motherboard.
Every time an OEM designs a new machine based on an Intel, it may or may not have an Nvidia chipset. Intel would prefer it be all Intel inside.
Every time (almost!) an OEM designs a machine based on AMD, it will have Nvidia inside.
So Nvidia has a lot to gain by this new reference platform push.
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