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October 17, 2012 11:09:01 PM

just treat Windows 8 like Vista and ignore it
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October 17, 2012 11:16:18 PM

hastenVista wasn't a complete change in concept though...


From XP? I'd say it was almost as drastic as 8 is from 7.
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October 17, 2012 11:24:09 PM

WTF? "for an operating system launch as disruptive as Windows 8"
What is disruptive about Windows 8? It's Windows 7 with a strap-on of MCE/Metro GUI App. What does Win8 disrupt ?

Android and iOS are disruptive by definition - cost less or free, are not as good as existing OSes (like Win7/Linux/OSX) but give users something they value more (easier to use touch UI and Apps in the pocket).
But, I wish MS good luck, would hate to see them going down because consumer will loose with lesser competition.
-IvanTO
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October 17, 2012 11:28:55 PM

Windows 8 is very good OS on touch screen devices. I would not install it on my desktop or laptop though even if I get new systems.

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October 17, 2012 11:33:38 PM

I think Win 8 is going to put a butt hurt on both Intel and MS. Especially on the desktop segment. This would be a perfect time for someone to come up with a great OS for desktops and laptops. I really like Ubuntu (with Gnome UI), but it needs a better software ecosystem then it has now. I dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu 12.4 lts and Ubuntu seems much more efficient (CPU/RAM wise) for things like watching movies and web browsing. But I end up using 7 (great OS IMO) for most things because the quality of many applications is just so much better than Ubuntu 'equivalents' (if available at all).
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October 17, 2012 11:44:16 PM

Big corporations ignore the fact that there is a global recession going on? They expect to keep making the same kind of profits as they did before that?
Get a grip.
BTW, just because your bottom line is a bit smaller than last year doesn't mean the whole PC industry is doomed. You just have to tighten your belts a bit, like everyone else, roll with the punches, suck it up and ride it out. People will still need computers, even if they buy them less often than before. Same goes for other corporations, like you.

"PC-doom" Gruener is back.
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October 17, 2012 11:45:38 PM

Windows 8's biggest failure is that nobody needs it. There was a logical step to take going from XP to Vista, although Microsoft blundered it with lack of Software and Hardware developer support, Windows 7 was simply a correction to Windows Vista. Very little under the surface was changed, just fixed for the mainstream out the box. Most big changes came with Vista under the hood.

Windows 8 really doesn't have a place nor a reason for being based off just what I've seen and read from the white sheet. Whether you love it or hate it matters not. There was no need to spend 3 years building Windows 8 for the PC at all since the focus always has been on the mobile platform for the OS.

I remember a year prior to Windows 7 all my IT professors and students were just constantly talking about Windows 7 and how much it righted Vista's wrongs. Now all I hear from my IT professors and fellow colleagues every time (and only when randomly brought up), is how much Windows 8 is the silliest thing ever. The groans around the room are priceless.
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October 17, 2012 11:53:32 PM

If they'll ever get virtual machine GPUs where they can use IOMMU or some other sort of pass through and get 90+% native performance I can relegate Microsoft's crap to a VM. As it stands I have to dual boot for games. Microsoft's Windows 8 has done nothing to help the PC ecosystem/economy.

Intel's constant innovation and attempts to make inroads into the SoC sector can do nothing but good for consumers, at least in the short term. Sure they might make a bit less, but as a previous poster said, the global economy is on the ropes. Are investors really so greedy that they can't stomach reduced growth for a couple of quarters? Normal people deal with no growth in their paychecks for years at a time.
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October 18, 2012 12:17:43 AM

I am looking forward to Windows 8.

I do not believe that serious enthusiasts are upset about Windows 8.

Rather it is the dumbs.... the people who can't figure out how to turn Metro off... the seriously stupid LOL KATS crowd who slurk along the mainstream pathways of the cybernet.
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October 18, 2012 12:25:16 AM

Windows 8 is awesome, I love the new OS been running it since the start of my dreamspark premium membership. For those who don't like change such as Metro use classic shell which has been around for ages. It changes it to Windows 7 UI with all the improvements 8 has on speed.
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October 18, 2012 12:25:58 AM

chewy1963I think Win 8 is going to put a butt hurt on both Intel and MS. Especially on the desktop segment. This would be a perfect time for someone to come up with a great OS for desktops and laptops. I really like Ubuntu (with Gnome UI), but it needs a better software ecosystem then it has now. I dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu 12.4 lts and Ubuntu seems much more efficient (CPU/RAM wise) for things like watching movies and web browsing. But I end up using 7 (great OS IMO) for most things because the quality of many applications is just so much better than Ubuntu 'equivalents' (if available at all).

The REAL problem with linux and OSX is that they do not support DirectX (which is what all games run on these days) preferring Microsoft's closed code platform to the more open OpenGL platform. As we saw with HP's experiment, an OS is useless, and is judged heavily by what software it can run.
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October 18, 2012 12:28:47 AM

bison88Windows 8's biggest failure is that nobody needs it. There was a logical step to take going from XP to Vista, although Microsoft blundered it with lack of Software and Hardware developer support, Windows 7 was simply a correction to Windows Vista.

Well, they might do what they did with Vista... by releasing DirectX 12. All of a sudden if you want to play the latest games, you must upgrade to their new OS. That was the only reason people went from XP to vista, cuz Xp so support DX 11.
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October 18, 2012 12:32:46 AM

southernsharkI am looking forward to Windows 8.I do not believe that serious enthusiasts are upset about Windows 8.Rather it is the dumbs.... the people who can't figure out how to turn Metro off... the seriously stupid LOL KATS crowd who slurk along the mainstream pathways of the cybernet.

There's really no reason to "turn off" Metro... It's easy to config the system in a manor that Metro only appears at startup. I see Metro once a day...and that's at startup. Aside from that, I'm on the desktop until I shutdown or reboot.

Intel gave us an excellent processor with Sandy Bridge....leaving little reason to jump on Ivy Bridge knowing that Haswell is coming with a new socket.

MS gave us an excellent Windows release with 7 leaving little, if any, reason for most to "upgrade" ....

The economy sucks.....alot of people are struggling to makes ends meet. Which comes first? Bills or computers?...
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October 18, 2012 12:52:02 AM

I was around for the Win 95 launch and it was a similar situation. People did not want the Start Button and cursed the end of the command line interface (though it actually lives on of course).

It was harder also in that Win 95 had serious system requirements for the day and when $300 US bought you a mighty 4 MB of RAM and HDD's were sold in MB's not GB's upgrading was expensive.

People will adapt and the IT Industry will survive and grow as people get used to change. Win 8 is needed to bring the mobile sector to the PC which will help insure its survival. The internet bases its success on linking people together not just machines not matter how whizz bang they may be. Win 8 will do the same by keeping the PC with the masses while the Win 7 model would confine the PC in a way it cannot afford to be.
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October 18, 2012 1:05:25 AM

WamphryiI was around for the Win 95 launch and it was a similar situation. People did not want the Start Button and cursed the end of the command line interface (though it actually lives on of course). It was harder also in that Win 95 had serious system requirements for the day and when $300 US bought you a mighty 4 MB of RAM and HDD's were sold in MB's not GB's upgrading was expensive. People will adapt and the IT Industry will survive and grow as people get used to change. Win 8 is needed to bring the mobile sector to the PC which will help insure its survival. The internet bases its success on linking people together not just machines not matter how whizz bang they may be. Win 8 will do the same by keeping the PC with the masses while the Win 7 model would confine the PC in a way it cannot afford to be.
u dont make a PC function like smartphones/tablet. You should make a PC much smarter than mobile computers, which currently Microsoft arent heading that direction.
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October 18, 2012 1:13:26 AM

bison88Windows 8's biggest failure is that nobody needs it. There was a logical step to take going from XP to Vista, although Microsoft blundered it with lack of Software and Hardware developer support, Windows 7 was simply a correction to Windows Vista. Very little under the surface was changed, just fixed for the mainstream out the box. Most big changes came with Vista under the hood.Windows 8 really doesn't have a place nor a reason for being based off just what I've seen and read from the white sheet. Whether you love it or hate it matters not. There was no need to spend 3 years building Windows 8 for the PC at all since the focus always has been on the mobile platform for the OS.I remember a year prior to Windows 7 all my IT professors and students were just constantly talking about Windows 7 and how much it righted Vista's wrongs. Now all I hear from my IT professors and fellow colleagues every time (and only when randomly brought up), is how much Windows 8 is the silliest thing ever. The groans around the room are priceless.



Thats what Bill gates when we had (460kb ?)of RAM. That's what they said before we landed men on the moon. That's what they said about GUI's. That's what they said about a lot of things. Please, the worst thing to do in the tech field is be blissfully stubborn.
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October 18, 2012 1:21:28 AM

Also, Intel sounds royally mad about the boost that FX procs will get from the better scheduling.
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October 18, 2012 2:03:14 AM

Tomfreak

"u dont make a PC function like smartphones/tablet. You should make a PC much smarter than mobile computers, which currently Microsoft arent heading that direction."

The problem with that theory is that the mobile can do what the ATX PC can never do and that is sit in your pocket. Soon we will see phones and tablets that will support mini USB and mini HDMI out of the box. A user then simply plugs the monitor and a USB Hub into the phone and monitor, keyboard and mouse are ready to go. My phone is significantly more powerful than my first PC's and they continue to become more powerful. NVIDIA will push more powerful graphic solutions through phones and soon viable gaming will be on the agenda.

The PC had to go the mobile market and prove its relevance not the other way around. The PC needs to be bigger than before and play to its strengths. Multiple Monitor set ups and raw power etc. However 80% of the PC users out there don't require the grunt we do. How fast does one need to open a word document? This would be the worst time ever for the PC industry to become an island unto itself. Win 8 bridges the divide and takes the PC into a new era. For all our sakes lets hope it succeeds.
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October 18, 2012 2:32:24 AM

The biggest problem for Windows 8 is Windows 7. Windows 7 by in large has been so sucessful during its short reign that it was able to surpass Windows XP in overall sales 3 years and that's impressive considering Windows XP has been out 8 years longer then Windows 7 and was able to surpass it in popularity in less then half the time. Windows 8 with his modern ui controversy is not going to be able to compete with the highly popular Windows 7. The two biggest downfalls for Windows 8 will be being in direct competition with Windows 7 and it's Modern UI interface.
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October 18, 2012 2:47:41 AM

hydac7Just ignore 8 and it will go away if it worked with Vista it will work with this

Not quite. Windows 7 is "like" Windows Vista. I wouldn't say Vista went away. Maybe Windows 9 will be the unbroken version of Windows 8, or at least the rest of the world will be more willing to accept the idea of Windows 8 by then.
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October 18, 2012 3:10:35 AM

Some people here are just unwilling to accept that desktop computers are starting to become less mainstream. This may seem like a load of folly, but think about it. The average PC user doesn't need the power that requires a desktop. Tablet and phone performance are making incredible leaps, and laptops are still around for x86. Just look at the Ultrabooks, tablets, and 4 inch phones in circulation.

The mainstream would rather spend money on an iPad, Nexus 7, what have ya then on a desktop which stays at the house. The world is getting busier, computer tech is exploring new form factors, etc are all pushing down desktop sales.

However, this does not mean desktops are obsolete. You have us PC gamers, office cubicles, and small businesses who build PCs. Hopefully desktops aren't wiped from memory, but it is inevitable that the popularity of desktops will decline in the future.
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October 18, 2012 3:56:13 AM

m1n3kraftThats what Bill gates when we had (460kb ?)of RAM. That's what they said before we landed men on the moon. That's what they said about GUI's. That's what they said about a lot of things. Please, the worst thing to do in the tech field is be blissfully stubborn.



That has nothing to do with the advancement (or lack thereof) going from Windows 7 to Windows 8. None of those things listed are comparable to the original statement at all. This isn't going from 8GB of RAM to 640KB, this is more like going from a wonderfully integrated and powerful well understood PC, back to an old fashioned ATM, but at least it has a touch screen going for it kind of mindset.

This is an advancement for MOBILE platforms, as I mentioned, NOT for PC's.
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October 18, 2012 4:39:32 AM

windows 8 is microsoft bob all over again.

expect worse than vista slow down in sales as people keep their windows 7 machines and continue to run windows 7 when they buy new machines.

its a good time to be linux / apple who will gain market share over microsoft tin ear epic fail.

i wonder is it too late to short microsoft and buy apple / linux stock, ok i'm not sure who you would buy for linux, but there has to be companies out there in linux eco that will benefit from microsoft's mistake

heck valve steam / source will soon be out on linux and that will hopefully push others like unreal and then game developers will have the option to more easily bring their games to linux

i mean other than office suite, multimedia, games and occasional home application like turbo tax what do people really use computers for.

now if the libre office folks can get their act together and deliver for us a good enough working version, right now they are like a bit buggy :( 

finally, things like turbo tax can be done online without the need to have a local copy.

so i see opportunity for apple/linux like never before to break the microsoft juggernaut hold on home pcs, now if only the planets will aline properly ;) 
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October 18, 2012 8:00:53 AM

Give me 500-1000$ 4-5 inch smartphone, with office/business capability, and docking support, and that's pretty much the end of PC, at least for most mortals. Yes, PC will still have its place, for us gamers, software developers, graphic designers, video editors, engineers etc etc. The biggest question for me is, what the new balance will be? When this scenario happens, we can expect initially 30-50% pc market will be gone. By pc market means any pc form (desktop, laptop, ultrabook etc). This is a huge number, and we can expect pc price to start climbing, and that will lead to a faster extinction of pc. Again PC will still be there, but at what price.
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October 18, 2012 8:48:35 AM

This is indeed a great time for a new OS . Maybe someone that can rally game support into Linux , that is the only thing missing for Linux to grab a big chunk of OS love . With MS trying hard to become apple , the window of opportunity is now open . Someone should take the chance , it makes sense .
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October 18, 2012 10:33:06 AM

house70"PC-doom" Gruener is back.


When i saw the writers name it was not hard to know what it would contain, just the usual dull spin of the same story over and over that pc is doomed and base it on *insert random rumor / "evidence"*.

Shame Tom's have moved from rock solid written articles based on real facts (like that its a recession in about ALL industry) to "Click my slanderous story" journalism!
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October 18, 2012 10:37:02 AM

frombehindWell, they might do what they did with Vista... by releasing DirectX 12. All of a sudden if you want to play the latest games, you must upgrade to their new OS. That was the only reason people went from XP to vista, cuz Xp so support DX 11.


That worked when there wasn't 6 years old (from hardware perspective) consoles keeping the development of gfx back to the two gen old dx9. If MS for instance would have released a new xbox console based on a possible DX12 and then release Win 8 with that it would have worked but now they didnt, stupid move by MS if you think about it....
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October 18, 2012 11:13:56 AM

bison88Windows 8's biggest failure is that nobody needs it. There was a logical step to take going from XP to Vista, although Microsoft blundered it with lack of Software and Hardware developer support, Windows 7 was simply a correction to Windows Vista. Very little under the surface was changed, just fixed for the mainstream out the box.


Do you typically make broad incorrect statements like this? There was tons of problems with vista, not just no software/hardware support, but also stability issues.... the real reason vista was scoffed at.
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October 18, 2012 12:22:52 PM

WamphryiTomfreak"u dont make a PC function like smartphones/tablet. You should make a PC much smarter than mobile computers, which currently Microsoft arent heading that direction."The problem with that theory is that the mobile can do what the ATX PC can never do and that is sit in your pocket. Soon we will see phones and tablets that will support mini USB and mini HDMI out of the box. A user then simply plugs the monitor and a USB Hub into the phone and monitor, keyboard and mouse are ready to go. My phone is significantly more powerful than my first PC's and they continue to become more powerful. NVIDIA will push more powerful graphic solutions through phones and soon viable gaming will be on the agenda. The PC had to go the mobile market and prove its relevance not the other way around. The PC needs to be bigger than before and play to its strengths. Multiple Monitor set ups and raw power etc. However 80% of the PC users out there don't require the grunt we do. How fast does one need to open a word document? This would be the worst time ever for the PC industry to become an island unto itself. Win 8 bridges the divide and takes the PC into a new era. For all our sakes lets hope it succeeds.
yes mobile phones can do what a PC can never do, but at the same time other than comfort, a PC cant do something special a mobile phone cant.

because even right now u have to type the word urself. Word documents are not smart document, because nobody make them. At this rate, pretty soon even laptop become replaced by smartphone, soon after that ur expensive smartphone will no longer relevant as well because the $50 phone will just do the same. Technology are moving forward, but the software on the PC arent moving forward to drive more human interactive functionality and use more hardware resources. This is like everyone still using windows 95 never bother move forward.

Right now i still need to type this post, scroll my mouse wheel click every button to navigate my page, My PC are not still as smart as those in Star trek. Nobody seems to want to make an Operating system "smart".

oh yeah I still need to click summit my comment. I cant tell my PC I am done with my post here and move to next article.
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October 18, 2012 2:40:10 PM

Dx is not really a problem as you can always find out hacked versions of the DX (if you really hate Win 8 so much), and on the flipside if WIN 8 does turn out to be another Vista, public pressure will probably enforce Microsoft not to do this sort of move.
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October 18, 2012 2:52:34 PM

I've had friends try Windows 8 from the developer network. At first the comments were negative saying they hate the UI. Then a week or two later they're getting used to it and they like it.

It comes down to basic human traits, we hate change because it's unfamiliar.

When I look at my cousins 27" iMac all in one unit, I say how can you use that thing. It cost a fortune, the CPU is several speed grades behind, and the coolest thing about it is the 27" screen. But she loves it. For her it's less intimidating than a Microsoft PC.

Microsoft has to "dumb down" or more PC "simplify" the Windows interface to stay competitive.

Face it, most everyone can use a smart phone. Not everyone can use a PC. Enthusiasts will find a way to work around the UI limitations.
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October 18, 2012 2:55:21 PM

fuxxnutsDo you typically make broad incorrect statements like this? There was tons of problems with vista, not just no software/hardware support, but also stability issues.... the real reason vista was scoffed at.


Most of the instability issues were caused by bad drivers i.e hardware support. Vista was very stable for me...after I replaced my motherboard. (old one had an nvidia chipset)
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October 18, 2012 3:10:56 PM

You people have got to be kidding me...all this complaining over the Start Menu? Do you people not realize you can just go to the desktop and it's basically a faster, more efficient Windows 7, with more features and security? What the heck is the issue? Windows 8 is great on so many levels, you people are just too damn ignorant to realize it.

There's no reason for Windows 8 to do poorly.
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October 18, 2012 3:14:52 PM

CazalanI've had friends try Windows 8 from the developer network. At first the comments were negative saying they hate the UI. Then a week or two later they're getting used to it and they like it. It comes down to basic human traits, we hate change because it's unfamiliar.When I look at my cousins 27" iMac all in one unit, I say how can you use that thing. It cost a fortune, the CPU is several speed grades behind, and the coolest thing about it is the 27" screen. But she loves it. For her it's less intimidating than a Microsoft PC. Microsoft has to "dumb down" or more PC "simplify" the Windows interface to stay competitive.Face it, most everyone can use a smart phone. Not everyone can use a PC. Enthusiasts will find a way to work around the UI limitations.


I couldn't agree more. My gf absolutely hates change, especially with technology and computers. I installed Windows 8 RP on her laptop and she wouldn't stop complaining for the first day lol. The next day, I showed her a couple of the new things with navigating it all, and she got used to it instantly. Now she says she'll never go back to 7. She loves it.
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October 18, 2012 3:19:23 PM

It is all economy drivin. Retail Vista ultimate for 80 dollars or Windows 7 or 8 retail top of the line 200 dollars. They all do the same thing just differernt bells and whistles.
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October 18, 2012 3:23:45 PM

What does Intel expect! The market is saturated with desktops and laptops, I own 3 laptops, and I do not see buying any more until after Haswell! As far as getting people excited about laptops, the only thing that I see is the external GPU boxes that Lucid and others have been demonstrating, but they require thunderbolt ports. If Microsoft would stop this foolishness with always changing the GUI, and create an operating system that can utilize all 3 of my laptops LANed together through ethernet or USB, or both at the same time, for a more powerful compute or gaming experience. then do not expect me to upgrade from windows 7. I like what AMD is doing with the HSA foundation, and I hope someone with big bucks can aquire AMD and still retain the x86 license, someone with the resources to take on Intel in chip fabrication arena.
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October 18, 2012 4:08:16 PM

Wonder if i can get my kinect to work with a win 8 htpc and wave my hands in the air as i pretend to slide screen to screen, tile by tile from the comfyness of my couch?
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October 18, 2012 7:46:37 PM

southernsharkI am looking forward to Windows 8.I do not believe that serious enthusiasts are upset about Windows 8.Rather it is the dumbs.... the people who can't figure out how to turn Metro off... the seriously stupid LOL KATS crowd who slurk along the mainstream pathways of the cybernet.

Aw, that's cute... :p  Nice trolling attempt, now run along.

But seriously, it's those of us who actually have degrees in the field of computing and who actually work in technology-oriented careers (sorry to shatter your preconceived notions, buddy) who "get it" in a way that maybe some of "t3h h4rdc0r3z" can't (because they're lacking the knowledge, the background, or the cognitive abilities needed to do so). Keep on believing it's the lack of a start menu we're objecting to, though... :sarcastic: 
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October 19, 2012 2:06:03 AM

an operating system launch as disruptive as Windows 8

Yep, it's really going to disrupt me as I continue shunning it and using Win 7.
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October 19, 2012 6:20:11 AM

Well , put it any way you want it , there is a clear truth here . Metro is not designed to be used with a desktop , but with a touch screen . So it isnt wrong to not like it when I use it with a mouse and a keyboard , I find it to be less productive and slower . How is that a false perception in any way ? Windows 8 is installed on another HDD for months , and Im using it because I have to , Im a professional and have to be at least familiar with it before launch , so I will be . I do like some some aspects like the faster boot times , I dont like others. And overall I see no clear advantage to make the move to windows 8 , at least for now .
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October 20, 2012 1:13:49 AM

My Win7Pro desktop can wake up from sleep mode faster than Win8 can boot up.

My PC goes to sleep if I leave it alone for a while. It goes to sleep when I go to bed. Unless there is a serious issue or an upgrade patch, my PC doesn't SHUT DOWN. The quick boot of Win8 is impressive... its nice... but all the other crap negates all that...
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November 26, 2012 3:34:50 PM

Here is my question, lets say that I wave the white flag and except metro. My problem is that if I launch an application from metro, it still pulls up the destkop to run the application. Once I close the application, it does not go back into Metro so that I can launch something else, it stays in the desktop. So again Microsoft, if I have to go in the desktop to launch an app that was originally launched from metro, what is the point of moving things over to metro vs going into the desktop as usual and launching it from the missing start button or from a short cut on the desktop?
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