I'd say it's looking prety good. There are no real sweeps that I saw. Yes it is a little slower than Core Duo, but not bymuch. Core 2 may do more damage but hey, AMD owns the server and desktop spaces right now.
I guess they were more concerned with TDP than perf. The next rev will probably be better. I would bet that it suffers from the same thing as AM2, DDR2 efficiency.
I'd say it's looking prety good. There are no real sweeps that I saw. Yes it is a little slower than Core Duo, but not bymuch. Core 2 may do more damage but hey, AMD owns the server and desktop spaces right now.
I guess they were more concerned with TDP than perf. The next rev will probably be better. I would bet that it suffers from the same thing as AM2, DDR2 efficiency.
Ha.... the HORDE spokesman, with excuses about AMDs failure.
They are looking bad and unsucesfull. They are their latest mobile chips and they are slow and power unefficient compared to the allready available chips.
it simply shows who is better at mobile chips... which is surely 'Intel' as always... so failure of Turion X2 is not a surprise for me at all... i was expecting this to happen!
Anyways... xcellent post Action_Man, i appreciate your wilingness to get people informed! thanx alot!
Come on people, get with it. The turion isn't really any different than any other k8 dual core, it just has to use less power and is hampered by the fact is can't use faster than ddr2667 RAM. It only makes sense that the results would be like they are. Nothing surprising at all about it. k8 needs to ramp up speed to compete with yonah/conroe/merom. We ALL knew that already, didn't we? So, when a 2.4 or 2.6 35w dual core 64bit processor is out, then things might be different. But seriously, who is using a notebook as a main gaming system and expecting the same performance as a desktop? And why would a processor be a gaming bottleneck in a NORMAL notebook? It won't, the GPU will, you all knew that, too (I hope). If you are not looking for a NORMAL notebook, you can get a 4800x2 SLI heavy as h*ll notebook instead.
K8 are the best for games. So for other purposs it is mostly like that Turion won't be better. The dualch DDR2-667 with its high latency is possible to decrease instead of increase the K8 performance. Anyway, the Dothan/Yonah was, is and will be better than K8/K8-X2.
why fails? Intel always had a large advantage on mobile cpu market, and this turion performs pretty close to the same clock speed core duo T2500. Even in batery life it loses for a mere 18 minutes, with a 90nm core versus 65nm from intel. Also, intel's core has 2MB of shared L2 cache, as the turion has 2x512kb
why fails? Intel always had a large advantage on mobile cpu market, and this turion performs pretty close to the same clock speed core duo T2500. Even in batery life it loses for a mere 18 minutes, with a 90nm core versus 65nm from intel. Also, intel's core has 2MB of shared L2 cache, as the turion has 2x512kb
So, you agree that the Turions are bad performers. And, you are trying to explain why they are so bad?
No, there is a huge difference between "not quite as good" and "bad." The turion at this point is "not quite as good" as the yonah. It is also one of the only K8 designs that is actually bandwidth starved, due to the poor RAM for laptops. Because of this issue, it would make more sense to have a bit of extra cache. That's were the whole hybrid hard drive idea came from, so it is strange they stuck with 512/1024mb. I would have expected them to up it just for the portable systems to 1024/2048. And the 65nm processors are not that far away, so things will keep changing.
so, you dont speak spanish and french? coz the site is in french
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So, you agree that the Turions are bad performers. And, you are trying to explain why they are so bad?
no, i was saying that turions are not so bad performers. I was trying to show people like you taht, even with outdated technology and less L2 cache, it can come close to the intel processor.
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18 minutes is pretty significant.
hmmm yeah, that's 18%. but compared to older mobile cpus from amd, that's a good result
I'd say it's looking prety good. There are no real sweeps that I saw. Yes it is a little slower than Core Duo, but not bymuch. Core 2 may do more damage but hey, AMD owns the server and desktop spaces right now.
I guess they were more concerned with TDP than perf. The next rev will probably be better. I would bet that it suffers from the same thing as AM2, DDR2 efficiency.
Ha.... the HORDE spokesman, with excuses about AMDs failure.
They are looking bad and unsucesfull. They are their latest mobile chips and they are slow and power unefficient compared to the allready available chips.
I have no allegiances. If that's the case I would have mentioned that Dothan beat Yonah in several benchmarks. I also noticed that it is using the NF4 with the 410 not the 430. My point was that it's faster than Turion and in some cases the T2400.
I think it's a step up from AMDs previous gen. Besides, the generic nature of the AMD system is interesting. I know MSI and Acer have Turion X2 systems. Why do you guys act like Otellini's girlfriend?
I was just stating that it's not a total loss. I'd like to see what MSI and Asus can do.
I guess you Intel fanboys are using lots of lotion today.
