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borie88 · May 19, 2006

hi im new to building computers and i dont know a huge amount about them but i thought that as i summer project i would build my own because my dell 8200 sucks. i plan on using this computer for gaming. this is what i have so far without the software and my question is will it all work?

Athenatech A3603BB.400 Black Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case ATX 2.01v 400W Power Supply - Retail

ASUS Combo Drive Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model CB-5216A BLK - Retail

ASUS P5RD2-VM Socket T (LGA 775) ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3802110A 80GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model F2-5400PHU2-2GBNT - Retail

NU QL-711V 2-Tone 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - Retail

Kensington 72227 Silver 3 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 RF Optical Mouse - Retail

eVGA 256-P2-N553-AX Geforce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail

Intel Pentium® D Processor 805 2.66GHz, 533MHz FSB, Socket 775, 2MB Cache, Dual Core Retail

everything except for the processor is from newegg. alltogether this costs about $900
thanks

clue69less · May 19, 2006

hi im new to building computers and i dont know a huge amount about them but i thought that as i summer project i would build my own because my dell 8200 sucks. i plan on using this computer for gaming. this is what i have so far without the software and my question is will it all work?

Athenatech A3603BB.400 Black Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case ATX 2.01v 400W Power Supply - Retail

ASUS Combo Drive Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model CB-5216A BLK - Retail

ASUS P5RD2-VM Socket T (LGA 775) ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3802110A 80GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model F2-5400PHU2-2GBNT - Retail

NU QL-711V 2-Tone 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - Retail

Kensington 72227 Silver 3 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 RF Optical Mouse - Retail

eVGA 256-P2-N553-AX Geforce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail

Intel Pentium® D Processor 805 2.66GHz, 533MHz FSB, Socket 775, 2MB Cache, Dual Core Retail

everything except for the processor is from newegg. alltogether this costs about $900
thanks

Are you certain you want to go with small form factor? If you must, you might want to hold off a bit - I hear that Asus and DFI have new models upcoming that perform much better than the one on your list.

Go larger than 80Gb on the HD. HD size is cheap these days. Maximum PC just published a special issue about PC building. Go check out their $975 build. You can beat their price if you watch close and have a fast mouse trigger, especially if you avoid an SLI mobo.

shadowduck · May 20, 2006

hi im new to building computers and i dont know a huge amount about them but i thought that as i summer project i would build my own because my dell 8200 sucks. i plan on using this computer for gaming. this is what i have so far without the software and my question is will it all work?

Athenatech A3603BB.400 Black Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case ATX 2.01v 400W Power Supply - Retail

ASUS Combo Drive Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model CB-5216A BLK - Retail

ASUS P5RD2-VM Socket T (LGA 775) ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3802110A 80GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model F2-5400PHU2-2GBNT - Retail

NU QL-711V 2-Tone 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - Retail

Kensington 72227 Silver 3 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 RF Optical Mouse - Retail

eVGA 256-P2-N553-AX Geforce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail

Intel Pentium® D Processor 805 2.66GHz, 533MHz FSB, Socket 775, 2MB Cache, Dual Core Retail

everything except for the processor is from newegg. alltogether this costs about $900
thanks

WHY?! That system is going to suck as bad as your 8200... Unless you overclock the hell out of it the 805 sucks really bad, and if you are new to building, I highly doubt you will get an overclock good enough to make that worth it. That CPU cranks out heat so bad that MircoATX cases just will not work. On top of that, you picked a motherboard you cannot even overclock with. If you want to go.. Go AMD , it rocks Intel and you can get and AMD system around the same price. Look at the 3000+ or the 3200+ and an A8N-E motherboard from Asus.

The_Prophecy · May 20, 2006

2 problems i have with this set up..... first... the ATA 100 hard drive. the parallel ATA spec is dead... go with a SATA drive (actually SATA2 because they are already cheaper, or quickly becoming cheaper than the SATA1 drives).

Now shadowduck is partly right... but he is exaggerating a bit... the processor you picked isn't great for gaming... you are going to have to OC it a crapload before you'll get good results, but it's not going to suck as much as your old dell. The 805 runs cool, but if you overclock it.. it's going to get quite a bit warmer... especially if you get to frequencies of 3.5..... 3.6 and like he also said... the case may not be able to handle it. In terms of gaming... for what chip range you're looking at.... good for gaming but not totally top of the line... the AMD chips do beat comparable Intel chips... In your case, AMD would probably be a better way to go.

angry_ducky · May 20, 2006

The 805 runs cool, but if you overclock it.. it's going to get quite a bit warmer... especially if you get to frequencies of 3.5..... 3.6 and like he also said

This guy seems like a total n00b; he probably doesn't even know what overclocking is.

The_Prophecy · May 20, 2006

actually ducky... i'm speaking from experience... my sister's friend has an 805 on stock cooling, and i've seen the temps... I then told him it could go much higher and ran it to 3.4... the temps as expected, increased by quite a bit, but the chip and the stock cooler could still handle it. I did understate that the 805 wasn't great for gaming.... because shadowduck was right about that one for sure.. it sucks for gaming. However, after building computers for 4 years (over 100 systems in that time)and having recieved only 2 complaints about specific systems, I am definitly not a noob. It also just so happens that I know what overclocking is (especially since i'm currently running my P4 630 at 3.4 on stock cooling, with no vcore adjustments). Yesterday I discovered that the reason i couldn't go any higher was because my ram didn't like running any higher than about 233mhz (real clock) with occasional blue screens down to 230mhz. The only way I could get cpu clock to 3.6 was to set the fsb:ram ratio to 3:2. I then set ratio back to 1:1, and the fsb back to 227mhz as it is now, since I was only doing that to determine what the limiting factor was in my set up.

borie88 · May 20, 2006

ok i listened and got an amd so how about now
ps will the motherboard fit in the case correctly?

ASUS A8N-E Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

ASPIRE X-CRUISER-BK/420 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply - Retail

Microsoft Works Suite 2006 OEM - Retail

LG Combo Drive Black IDE Model GCC-4522BK - OEM

SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM

Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATA NCQ 3Gb/s ST3160812AS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

BUFFALO Select 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model DD4003-K2G/BR - Retail

Kensington 72227 Silver 3 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 RF Optical Mouse - Retail

Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 w/Update Rollup Release 2 OEM 1 Pack - OEM

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3200BPBOX - Retail

eVGA 256-P2-N553-AX Geforce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail

all this at newegg is about $950

The_Prophecy · May 20, 2006

Someone else might want to have a look at this, but the case you mentioned appears to come with a 420W 20 pin power supply. Your motherboard needs a 24pin supply. Either check and make sure i'm not going crazy and seeing things, find a different case with a 24pin PSU, or buy a seperate 24 pin supply and do whatever you want with the one that comes in the case.

borie88 · May 20, 2006

http://aspireusa.net/product.php?pid=164
it says that it comes with 1 20/24pin main power connector

but is the processor and mb good, do i need anything else like cables or anything?

The_Prophecy · May 20, 2006

ok so i was just seeing things.... thx for checking that

PCKid777 · May 20, 2006

Hey, I don't know your budget (I only scanned the replies...), but if you want a good gaming machine, here are some suggestions:

1) Upgrade to the ASUS A8N-Sli for $14.00 more (DFI is more for experts, I reccomend the ASUS for simplicity, good OC results, and a nice 3 year warranty) and it gives you option for SLi

2) Upgrade the RAM to Corsair XMS for $50 more http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145574

3) Upgrade to a better PSU, I reccomend OCZ, Seasonic, Silverstone, Enermax, and perhaps the Thermaltake Toughpower series.

4) (As a bias opinion), consider these cases from Thermaltake: the Matrix or Soprano; they offer BETTER cooling features, and one is lightweight aluminum.

shadowduck · May 20, 2006

The_Prophecy said:
actually ducky... i'm speaking from experience... I am definitly not a noob. /quote]

I think ducky was referring to the OP not you.

shadowduck · May 20, 2006

Hey, I don't know your budget (I only scanned the replies...), but if you want a good gaming machine, here are some suggestions:

1) Upgrade to the ASUS A8N-Sli for $14.00 more (DFI is more for experts, I reccomend the ASUS for simplicity, good OC results, and a nice 3 year warranty) and it gives you option for SLi

2) Upgrade the RAM to Corsair XMS for $50 more http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145574

3) Upgrade to a better PSU, I reccomend OCZ, Seasonic, Silverstone, Enermax, and perhaps the Thermaltake Toughpower series.

4) (As a bias opinion), consider these cases from Thermaltake: the Matrix or Soprano; they offer BETTER cooling features, and one is lightweight aluminum.

Suggestions 2-4 are good ones. But DO NOT upgrade to the A8N-SLI. Its a horrible board with high rates of failure. Plus, if you are a budget you don't need SLI anyway. The A8N-E is solid stick with that.

borie88 · May 21, 2006

ok i got the better ram but im just going to keep the other things the same. what cables do i need to buy for the oem parts and my motherboard is 12"x9.6" and my case supports 11x12. does it matter which order its in? give me a break im only 16

The_Prophecy · May 21, 2006

I think ducky was referring to the OP not you.

I hope so... i was rather offended by what ducky said if he was directing it at me. If not, then I apoligize for my rant ducky.

shadowduck · May 21, 2006

ok i got the better ram but im just going to keep the other things the same. what cables do i need to buy for the oem parts and my motherboard is 12"x9.6" and my case supports 11x12. does it matter which order its in? give me a break im only 16

None, the motherboard will come with all your cables. Motherboard will fit in your case fine. ATX is a standard.

borie88 · May 22, 2006

does any1 know alot about 3d audio sound like u can hear a guy comin from behind you from the rear speakers n stuff cuz i think the audigy 2 supports that and im getting either 5.1 or 7.1 speakers

The_Prophecy · May 22, 2006

most onboard audio chips support 3d audio anyway.... the only difference an audigy 2 would make is much better sound quality.

Heyyou27 · May 22, 2006

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model F2-5400PHU2-2GBNT - Retail

Get DDR2 533; you won't be able to use that extra bandwidth anyways.

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