shallow, very shallow

Honestly, when I first saw the article, I didn't even blink an eye. I respect your opinion, but I am one of those people that feel nudity isn’t that big of a deal. It's an entertainment piece, covering a topic of recent interest. Very short, very attention grabbing...but so what? There are injustices in the world far worse than video game nudity. just my opinion on the matter.
Jcon

"Repetitive to the point of tedium"

do you think that's what is was - that's how it went down?

I'm only speculating here...I am wondering if it was more that the writer wanted to write about it, then they said ok, and there you go? in other words, it wasn't a calculated effort to use sex to gain readership? (and I use the term sex lightly, given that pixels aren't very sexy to me personally) who knows...but I'm out.

"Repetitive to the point of tedium"

I think you're just over analyzing it. It has been a hot topic lately and this just happened to be their take on it. It's a decent article about the history of nude mods for games. Anyone who doesn't want to see it doesn't have to look(or download the mod). And if they did do what you're saying, it's no big deal anyway. Neither is the original issue for that matter. It's just the female form, and a poor representation for that matter. What bothers me is the fact that so many people are still that uptight about anything involving the naked human form. (or in this case the naked polygon) There are so many truly obscene acts happening around the world every minute of every day. We really need to get over this issue of human sexuality. It's natural and beautiful and we shouldn't be demonizing it.

Just my opinion.

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The thing that nags me about this piece is not the nudity, but the gratuitousness of it. This piece serves no real purpose beyond perhaps inflaming someone like Jack Thompson and giving anti-videogaming types more ammo - and most of the nudity featured is from 3rd party modders.

Now I've been screaming in Saturday Gamer about the accountability of videogame developers for third party mods, and IMO they shouldn't be held accountable for that sort of stuff. This piece simply grabs a load of titty mods, takes screenshots, gives a small paragraph on it and then err... does nothing beyond that. Personally I think it's a piece with no purpose that wasn't even all that entertaining, but then I suppose people like me in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones...

I agree with you on it.. While done tastefully, I don't think they took into account their younger audience and they could have at least blurred out areas in paintshop.. maybe posted a link to the undoctored pictures to show it.

I was sitting at work when I opened up that link to read it and I had to close it down because I didn't think I'd see what I did... not that I don't lack privacy in my office, but the fact is I didn't expect that to be there.

While it is the topic of interest lately.. I only read a portion of the article at home before I lost interest.. because I personally don't like fighting aliens naked. hah.

A disclaimer or a link to the pictures would have been sufficient enough for me..

While European counterparts might not mind and others.. It did bother me that it was on Toms.. that was pushing the line. Just a disclaimer.. but really a link to the pictures would have been enough for me.

I just read the article.. I've slightly changed my point of view.

While the article brings to light all the current and well known games that have this hack..

The final conclusion covers it all.. basically, this article could have been cut down to 1 page had they not decided to stick in so many pictures, far more than normal articles.

Stating not to tell the mainstream news and such of current and long ago nudity in games because GTA SA takes it all.. well.. he has a point there.

But I don't find the information prior to that really worthwhile to the article as a whole. It has shock value with the pictures..

But then, a lot of people who read this article might take those games away from their kids who play them legitimately.. mainly because they don't know if their son (or, oddly, daughter) has the nude patches..

Yeah I remember having leisure suit larry when I was little.. you could freely download the thing.

I agree with you on the kids seeing it. My dad had a mountain of playboys in the basement.. literally a mountain of them. My brothers, our friends, would all sneak down and look through them.. before I was even 10.

But to put it in a game... its like cartoons are geared towards kids (originally adults with Felix the Cat) but today's mentality is "games are for kids/cartoons are for kids." Which creates tension for parents who don't want their kids seeing that stuff.

Those who want to see it can go ahead and see it.. I just thought they could have provided links.. or even skipped out on the pictures completely.

It's the thought that counts.

What's wrong with posting naked pictures on walls in preschool? It's only colored paper.

The front page image didn't bother me, but with all the graphics within the article.. I read this site while I'm at work and I don't need that kind of stuff there. I link out to the pictures would have been enough for me.. I knew what I was getting into though when I opened it.

I don't know how well the openness of nudity works in europe or anything, I haven't really been there so I can't comment on it.

But I don't mind the rules.. after all, most of the people who want to be completely nude are the ones you don't want to see nude.

I know what you're saying, but the graphics are a little more suggestive than a naked barbie that has no specific details.

But they're not worried about adults looking at it.. they're worried about little kids looking at it.. which can cause some sexual problems or fantasies..

Would you want your 10 year old playing a Tomb Raider with lara croft in nothing gun a gun belt?

Do you not think he's going to start thinking of women as an object and not respect their privacy?

That's the main issue.. in the US, that's intimacy between people. I don't know how it works in Europe or other countries, but here we respect people's privacy and have moral issues with young kids playing games with nude characters.

Now, if it were educational, that's different, because it's not in a sexual way. These games are in a sexual way.. that's all.


I know what you're saying, but these games are geared toward sexual tendancies and fantasies.. which is where the moral conflict in the US comes into play.

As for getting fired at work? It wasn't a large, high def image. Most people wouldn't catch it just passing by, at least not without taking that double-take. And I would hope if they did that any semi intelligent adult could tell the difference between a hardware site w/ a slightly off color article and an actual porn site. The issue then would seem to be just that you're not online doing work related things.

But, maybe I'm giving too much credit to the intelligence of the general population.

ps. it was a 12 page article, not just a quick blurb.

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