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May 21, 2006 1:11:28 AM

Hi,

I have a PC with an AOpen mainboard AX64. This board is slot 1 type. I have now a Celeron 500 CPU monted to a sloklet (slot 1 to socket 370 adaptor).

I would want to upgrade thart computer to a PIII that I found available on eBay. The model is SL52Q which, according to the specs I found is a FC-PGA type.

I search for the Celeron 500 model on the Internet, and I found only 3 models, but all are PPGA type.

I already know that the AX64 support up to 1Mgz PII CPU and the SL52Q model is supported.

My question is quite simple: can I use the actual slot 1/socket 370 adaptor with the PIII just by removing the Celeron and put it in its place?

I have a great confusion from my search about PPGA and FC-PGA type.

Thanks
May 21, 2006 1:22:27 AM

I did not buy it yet, I'm shopping and make me more intelligent by the way!

I'm searching infor just to be sure I won't invest in any CPU just to realized that I have not what I really need to boost that PCs speed.

Can you explain the differences between the 2 types that would make it not work?

And what would I need to make it work?
May 21, 2006 1:48:02 AM

From what I can say about my reading, is that after some times Intel releases new PIII that were using FC-PGA2 and this one was electrically different from its, let's say, version one. I think I remember reading also that a special Intel chipset was needed for that, but I'm not sure about that last part...

I also read somewhere that it need a board that support VRM 8.4. I found this:

Quote:
It depends on whether your motherboard uses the original VRM 8.2 voltage regulator or the later VRM 8.4 version. VRM 8.4 was released for Coppermine core CPU support, and is present on most Slot-1 boards that support 100MHz bus or higher. Early 100MHz bus Slot 1 boards and most 66MHz bus Slot 1 boards use the earlier VRM 8.2 standard.
While VRM 8.4 allows voltages down to 1.3v, VRM 8.2 supports voltages only as low as 1.80v.


Since teh AX64 support up to 133 mhz bus speed, I suppose it is compatible, but that do not answer the question about the slot 1 to socket 370 adaptor compatibility!

Why makes thinks simple when you can make them complicated for the same price, taxes included! Ouf!!! Going to sleep now! See ya tomorow!

and, by the way, thanks!
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May 21, 2006 7:35:04 AM

If your MB supports 133 bus, then the P3 should be ok in the slotket. There

will be a series of jumpers on it that set it for 66/100/133bus. Set it for the

133 bus. There should also be jumpers for voltage. Since the celeron is a

mendocino core, vs coppermine for p3, it runs at 2.0v. The p3 needs 1.7v.

Make sure to lower the voltage. The celeron uses a 66MHZ FSB, the P3-133,

so make sure that you have pc133 sdram. I think Jack was talking about

the Tualatin core P3, which wasn't compatable on alot of boards. It runs on

1.50v. The Tualatins are only produced from 1.13GHz-1.4GHz. I can use

a Tualatin in most slot 1 boards(Abit BH-6) :D  as i use the slotket, and a

a Tualatin adaptor, that sits on top of it. Looks silly, adaptor on adaptor,

but works great. GL :lol: 


If you have any problems, or questions, just give another shout.
May 21, 2006 12:00:02 PM

Thanks for the explanation. and yes, I have a few more questions!! :) 

The slotket have only 2 jumpers on it. One is noted auto/overclock and it is at auto by default.

The other is noted 1/3 and there is no indication other than that. Is it set to position 1-2 by default.

But from what I can read on the AX64 MB it is a jumper less CPU settings, look in here:

http://global.aopen.com.tw/tech/techinside/jumperless.h...

Also, I have upgraded that computer to 768meg of RAM recently, using memory some friend did not want. They are 256 meg chips each. How can I know the bus speed of that RAM? I know it is NEC MEmory, but I search the net with some of the numbers on the chips with no success. The number on the chips are D45128841G5-A80-9JF and there are 16 of them for 256 meg.

Thanks very much for your help.
May 21, 2006 7:20:50 PM

Quote:
Thanks for the explanation. and yes, I have a few more questions!! :) 

The slotket have only 2 jumpers on it. One is noted auto/overclock and it is at auto by default.

The other is noted 1/3 and there is no indication other than that. Is it set to position 1-2 by default.

But from what I can read on the AX64 MB it is a jumper less CPU settings, look in here:

http://global.aopen.com.tw/tech/techinside/jumperless.h...

Also, I have upgraded that computer to 768meg of RAM recently, using memory some friend did not want. They are 256 meg chips each. How can I know the bus speed of that RAM? I know it is NEC MEmory, but I search the net with some of the numbers on the chips with no success. The number on the chips are D45128841G5-A80-9JF and there are 16 of them for 256 meg.

Thanks very much for your help.


If you look on the memory "chips" themselves, there will be a number.

eg. - V54C365804VCT7
or
-CHS64VD808T4AM-75
or
-HYB39S64800CT-7.5

These are some sdram i have sitting here. The LAST 2 numbers are

what you're interested in. These are the speed pf the chip in nanoseconds

You take 1000 and divide it by the 2 digit number.

eg. 1 = 1000/7 =142.85 ~pc133 at least.

eg. 2 = 1000/75 =133.33 is pc133

eg.3 = 1000/7.5 =133.33 pc133.

Its the same with newer RAM, with say, a 4 on the end is 1000/4=250

which @DDR would be 250x2=500(PC4000). Some companies will put

7.5, some 75. Anyways, sorry for such a long explanation.

You want at least a 75/7.5 on the end. 100/10 would only be able to

run at 100MHZ. If you don't feel like looking at the RAM, there's an

older program called ct'speed. Google it, and dl it. It will tell you the

rated speed of each module, and the timings. Very informative. I would

say that RAM, judging by markings is only PC100. What make is the

slotket, does it say?
May 21, 2006 7:50:51 PM

Quote:
The number on the chips are D45128841G5-A80-9JF and there are 16 of them for 256 meg.


If you look on the memory "chips" themselves, there will be a number.

eg. - V54C365804VCT7
or
-CHS64VD808T4AM-75
or
-HYB39S64800CT-7.5

These are some sdram i have sitting here. The LAST 2 numbers are

what you're interested in. These are the speed pf the chip in nanoseconds



If you don't feel like looking at the RAM, there's an

older program called ct'speed. Google it, and dl it. It will tell you the

rated speed of each module, and the timings. Very informative. I would

say that RAM, judging by markings is only PC100. What make is the

slotket, does it say?

Based on the RAM number I gave you, what number have you chossen to say it may be a PC100? Just to confirm that, I finally found a site that were comparing PC100 chips, and the marking of mine were there in the list, so yes that may be PC 100.

Does the mention software will work well even if memory is installed in a Celeron 500 ay 66Mhz?

The slotket does not mention any making. Only noted 370CPU in upper left corner of it.

Would that be possible to tell the 133Mhz CPU to slow down to PC100 speed? (I'M very sure the answer is no, but ...)

Thanks again.
May 21, 2006 8:10:15 PM

Quote:
The number on the chips are D45128841G5-A80-9JF and there are 16 of them for 256 meg.


If you look on the memory "chips" themselves, there will be a number.

eg. - V54C365804VCT7
or
-CHS64VD808T4AM-75
or
-HYB39S64800CT-7.5

These are some sdram i have sitting here. The LAST 2 numbers are

what you're interested in. These are the speed pf the chip in nanoseconds



If you don't feel like looking at the RAM, there's an

older program called ct'speed. Google it, and dl it. It will tell you the

rated speed of each module, and the timings. Very informative. I would

say that RAM, judging by markings is only PC100. What make is the

slotket, does it say?

Based on the RAM number I gave you, what number have you chossen to say it may be a PC100? Just to confirm that, I finally found a site that were comparing PC100 chips, and the marking of mine were there in the list, so yes that may be PC 100.

Does the mention software will work well even if memory is installed in a Celeron 500 ay 66Mhz?

The slotket does not mention any making. Only noted 370CPU in upper left corner of it.

Would that be possible to tell the 133Mhz CPU to slow down to PC100 speed? (I'M very sure the answer is no, but ...)

Thanks again. Based on the 9, which is around 111MHz. Yes

ct'speed will work with the celeron. Yes you can run a 133MHz CPU @

100. You'll lose ALOT though. If it's a P3 1Ghz, at 100 it's only running

750 Mhz. The biggest concern, is that you don't boot the P3@ 2.0v. I

think she'll fry. I've run them at 1.85, with a good(SLK900A) heatsink,

and seen guys have run them a high as 1.9-2.0v...but that's with TEC,

or phase-change. See if you can find some kind of part # or something,

on the slotket , that you can Google to find the jumper functions, and

settings. GL

PS. the motherboard can autodetect, but my worry is, if the slotket forces

the voltage(overiding the motherboard).
May 21, 2006 8:33:48 PM

Quote:
Based on the 9, which is around 111MHz. Yes

ct'speed will work with the celeron. Yes you can run a 133MHz CPU @

100. You'll lose ALOT though. If it's a P3 1Ghz, at 100 it's only running

750 Mhz. The biggest concern, is that you don't boot the P3@ 2.0v. I

think she'll fry. I've run them at 1.85, with a good(SLK900A) heatsink,

and seen guys have run them a high as 1.9-2.0v...but that's with TEC,

or phase-change. See if you can find some kind of part # or something,

on the slotket , that you can Google to find the jumper functions, and

settings. GL


I just open a few drawer here to find out that I have 3 other RAM bar that looks like 133Mgz. They are Avant Tech chips with the marking: 48LC16M8A2-75E. The 75 at the ends makes it 133, based on what you said, and I'm almost sure they are 256 meg as well.

But I did google for CT'Speed and coulnd find anything that is related to a software. All thinks were retated to Radar detection! Mabe it does not exist anymore...

As for the slotket, there is in the back of it (the black plastic) a note stating "Universal slot 1" and on the socket 370 itself a "PGA 370 ATC", but nothing more... The best educated guest I can make is that the place where the computer was bought was selling AOpen's computer they were building themself. So that may be an AOpen slotket. I'll try searching their site.

Look in here: http://www.geocities.com/_lunchbox/generic_slotket_mod..... That one looks a lot like the one I have. you'll note the auto/overclock at the top right of the socket 370. And no the left/middle side of the socket you'll see the other jumper I'm talking about. Maybe that could help.
May 21, 2006 11:09:53 PM

Quote:
Based on the 9, which is around 111MHz. Yes

ct'speed will work with the celeron. Yes you can run a 133MHz CPU @

100. You'll lose ALOT though. If it's a P3 1Ghz, at 100 it's only running

750 Mhz. The biggest concern, is that you don't boot the P3@ 2.0v. I

think she'll fry. I've run them at 1.85, with a good(SLK900A) heatsink,

and seen guys have run them a high as 1.9-2.0v...but that's with TEC,

or phase-change. See if you can find some kind of part # or something,

on the slotket , that you can Google to find the jumper functions, and

settings. GL


I just open a few drawer here to find out that I have 3 other RAM bar that looks like 133Mgz. They are Avant Tech chips with the marking: 48LC16M8A2-75E. The 75 at the ends makes it 133, based on what you said, and I'm almost sure they are 256 meg as well.

But I did google for CT'Speed and coulnd find anything that is related to a software. All thinks were retated to Radar detection! Mabe it does not exist anymore...

As for the slotket, there is in the back of it (the black plastic) a note stating "Universal slot 1" and on the socket 370 itself a "PGA 370 ATC", but nothing more... The best educated guest I can make is that the place where the computer was bought was selling AOpen's computer they were building themself. So that may be an AOpen slotket. I'll try searching their site.

Look in here: http://www.geocities.com/_lunchbox/generic_slotket_mod..... That one looks a lot like the one I have. you'll note the auto/overclock at the top right of the socket 370. And no the left/middle side of the socket you'll see the other jumper I'm talking about. Maybe that could help.

Yes, that RAM sounds better. 7.5ns is 133. I can't find ct'speed either. I

have it on a CD. I downloaded it a few years ago. Anyway, your link

didn't work.
May 22, 2006 1:15:23 AM

Quote:

Yes, that RAM sounds better. 7.5ns is 133. I can't find ct'speed either. I

have it on a CD. I downloaded it a few years ago. Anyway, your link

didn't work.


I have put the memory into the computer, and it is really 256meg modules. I'm now processing with a full test using memtest86 to be sure the RAM is still good. So far, it looks like teh memory is working well.

Too bad, that software do not have something to look at the memory speed, at least, I did not found it.
May 22, 2006 1:29:07 AM

Quote:
PS. the motherboard can autodetect, but my worry is, if the slotket forces the voltage(overiding the motherboard).


Now that I have found what's most likely PC133 memory, does that concern still apply? I mean, the CPU specs are the following:

o Clock Speed: 933MHz
o Cache Memory: 256K
o Voltage: 1.7
o Package Type: 370-pin FC-PGA
o Step Code: SL52Q
o Micron: 0.18 (Coppermine)
o Bus Speed: 133Mhz
o Bus/Core Ratio: 7

Then, the voltage should be 1.7, not 2.0 making it to the default voltage of the CPU if I do not try to run it at PC100 speed, right?
May 22, 2006 2:22:19 AM

Doesn't Sisoft Sandra tell you all about your RAM and all?? I've an old P3 1.1GHz back home. Its got an 815 MOBO and an old TNT2 works fine for all sorts of home office work and runs WIN XP gr8 with 256 MB RAM. What i wanted to know was that you said that PC100 RAM has to be downclocked to make it run but my system's been using PC133 forever.....its never had any trouble. i've spare PC100 RAM but do i really need to change the RAM??
May 22, 2006 3:29:07 AM

Quote:
Doesn't Sisoft Sandra tell you all about your RAM and all?? I've an old P3 1.1GHz back home. Its got an 815 MOBO and an old TNT2 works fine for all sorts of home office work and runs WIN XP gr8 with 256 MB RAM. What i wanted to know was that you said that PC100 RAM has to be downclocked to make it run but my system's been using PC133 forever.....its never had any trouble. i've spare PC100 RAM but do i really need to change the RAM??


I just tryed it and the software is wrong about many things. My MB has 3 RAM slots that could have up to 512meg each according to the manifacturer. Sandra told me it could only get 256meg modules on 4 slots up to 1gig, I cannot find the fourth slot!

It does not tell the memory speed, and the max speed bis of the computer is wrong again (100 vs 133).

About your RAM, if you have PC133 RAM installed, that's ok with your PIII. What's wrong is using PII/133 with PC100, then you have to twick the things to make it work correctly. But if you have a PC100 PIII running with PC133 memory, it will simply use the memory with PC100 speed.
May 22, 2006 4:49:23 AM

Quote:
PS. the motherboard can autodetect, but my worry is, if the slotket forces the voltage(overiding the motherboard).


Now that I have found what's most likely PC133 memory, does that concern still apply? I mean, the CPU specs are the following:

o Clock Speed: 933MHz
o Cache Memory: 256K
o Voltage: 1.7
o Package Type: 370-pin FC-PGA
o Step Code: SL52Q
o Micron: 0.18 (Coppermine)
o Bus Speed: 133Mhz
o Bus/Core Ratio: 7

Then, the voltage should be 1.7, not 2.0 making it to the default voltage of the CPU if I do not try to run it at PC100 speed, right?
No,the mem speed doesn't concern the core voltage. My point is that

the slotket was setup for the celeron(which uses 2.0v).If the jumpers

were set for that, even though the mobo autodetects, will it overide the

M/B and force 2.0v. I guess you can try, boot into BIOS, check CPU

voltage, then if it's too high(and not sizzling), shut down fast. Then

you'll have to experiment with the jumpers. :?
May 22, 2006 9:38:00 AM

Quote:
PS. the motherboard can autodetect, but my worry is, if the slotket forces the voltage(overiding the motherboard).


Now that I have found what's most likely PC133 memory, does that concern still apply? I mean, the CPU specs are the following:

o Clock Speed: 933MHz
o Cache Memory: 256K
o Voltage: 1.7
o Package Type: 370-pin FC-PGA
o Step Code: SL52Q
o Micron: 0.18 (Coppermine)
o Bus Speed: 133Mhz
o Bus/Core Ratio: 7

Then, the voltage should be 1.7, not 2.0 making it to the default voltage of the CPU if I do not try to run it at PC100 speed, right?
No,the mem speed doesn't concern the core voltage. My point is that

the slotket was setup for the celeron(which uses 2.0v).If the jumpers

were set for that, even though the mobo autodetects, will it overide the

M/B and force 2.0v. I guess you can try, boot into BIOS, check CPU

voltage, then if it's too high(and not sizzling), shut down fast. Then

you'll have to experiment with the jumpers. :?

If the slot 1 board is exactly the same as the one I posted in the link, I do not see that any of the jumpers are used to set the voltage. So in that case, that mean it is a slotket that do not force the voltage, am I right assuming this?

And, by the way, I cannot see any voltage number in the BIOS CPU's page. How could I validate that then?
May 22, 2006 10:42:36 AM

Quote:
PS. the motherboard can autodetect, but my worry is, if the slotket forces the voltage(overiding the motherboard).


Now that I have found what's most likely PC133 memory, does that concern still apply? I mean, the CPU specs are the following:

o Clock Speed: 933MHz
o Cache Memory: 256K
o Voltage: 1.7
o Package Type: 370-pin FC-PGA
o Step Code: SL52Q
o Micron: 0.18 (Coppermine)
o Bus Speed: 133Mhz
o Bus/Core Ratio: 7

Then, the voltage should be 1.7, not 2.0 making it to the default voltage of the CPU if I do not try to run it at PC100 speed, right?
No,the mem speed doesn't concern the core voltage. My point is that

the slotket was setup for the celeron(which uses 2.0v).If the jumpers

were set for that, even though the mobo autodetects, will it overide the

M/B and force 2.0v. I guess you can try, boot into BIOS, check CPU

voltage, then if it's too high(and not sizzling), shut down fast. Then

you'll have to experiment with the jumpers. :?

If the slot 1 board is exactly the same as the one I posted in the link, I do not see that any of the jumpers are used to set the voltage. So in that case, that mean it is a slotket that do not force the voltage, am I right assuming this?

And, by the way, I cannot see any voltage number in the BIOS CPU's page. How could I validate that then?

Okay, i looked over the manual, in the link(looks like a good board).

It sounds like everything SHOULD autodetect, voltage too. The temp,

and voltages, and overclocking settings, are in the "Chipset Features

Setup" Menu. Look in CPU Voltage Detected, and also, CPU voltage

setting. I don't see where temp monitoring is...might also be in "Power

Managemant Setup". Gl :) 
May 22, 2006 12:45:35 PM

Quote:

Okay, i looked over the manual, in the link(looks like a good board).

It sounds like everything SHOULD autodetect, voltage too. The temp,

and voltages, and overclocking settings, are in the "Chipset Features

Setup" Menu. Look in CPU Voltage Detected, and also, CPU voltage

setting. I don't see where temp monitoring is...might also be in "Power

Managemant Setup". Gl :) 


The fact is that, I just look in the manual for the AX 64 MB too, and the value I have in my actual BIOS on the same page is different. I have the Clock Spread Spectrum, then the CPU Detected Speed, nothing in the middle like I can see in the manual... Strange...

For the temp, I cannot say that I find it in either the powermanagement or elsewere.

Sandra, the soft mention by someone else here, is able to show the voltage and CPU temp. That is, if it gots the right information from the Mother board! By that may be enought to see what's going on when I plugged the PIII. The only problem is that I have to wait for the WinXP to boot completly before doing this. That may be a long time for a CPU!
May 23, 2006 12:54:24 PM

I think Slot1 runs @ 100MHz so you should get a PIII with a 100MHz bus and they reach at most 800MHz FCPGA.
May 23, 2006 9:29:49 PM

Quote:
I think Slot1 runs @ 100MHz so you should get a PIII with a 100MHz bus and they reach at most 800MHz FCPGA.


Nope...I have a slot 1 P3 600EB...133fsb.
May 23, 2006 9:31:51 PM

Quote:
I think Slot1 runs @ 100MHz so you should get a PIII with a 100MHz bus and they reach at most 800MHz FCPGA.


Nope...I have a slot 1 P3 600EB...133fsb.

And 100MHz p3's were made up to 850 + you could overclock them

pretty well.
May 23, 2006 10:12:47 PM

Quote:
I think Slot1 runs @ 100MHz so you should get a PIII with a 100MHz bus and they reach at most 800MHz FCPGA.


Nope...I have a slot 1 P3 600EB...133fsb.

And 100MHz p3's were made up to 850 + you could overclock them

pretty well.

I agree with Tanker, it is clearly noted in my manual and AOpen site that the MB support up to 133 FSB speed.
May 27, 2006 12:32:09 AM

Hi Tanker,

I've tryed the PIII CPU I just bought on my slotket but the computer did not seem to boot on it at all. No beep, no boot screen, etc. I suppose that the slotket is to blame?

Also, the new CPU heat sink is very huge compared to the one I had. When trying to install it on the 370 socket, it breaks one of the little platic pins that help maintain it in place. The hook is very different from the one I had with the Celeron 500. It is like an S with an handle that needs to be pushed somehow to maintain the heatsink in place. I'm wandering if the fact that the missing plastic guide will need to be glue again to help or something. I should have been more prudent... I hate when I do stupid things like this!!!

Hope you can help again!

Thanks
May 27, 2006 5:36:04 AM

Quote:
Hi Tanker,

I've tryed the PIII CPU I just bought on my slotket but the computer did not seem to boot on it at all. No beep, no boot screen, etc. I suppose that the slotket is to blame?

Also, the new CPU heat sink is very huge compared to the one I had. When trying to install it on the 370 socket, it breaks one of the little platic pins that help maintain it in place. The hook is very different from the one I had with the Celeron 500. It is like an S with an handle that needs to be pushed somehow to maintain the heatsink in place. I'm wandering if the fact that the missing plastic guide will need to be glue again to help or something. I should have been more prudent... I hate when I do stupid things like this!!!

Hope you can help again!

Thanks


That's a shame , that one of the retention tabs broke off. I doubt if you

can glue it back on and it be STRONG enough to hold on a heatsink. So,

if the heatsink isn't sitting on the cpu with sufficient downforce, the cpu will

very likely overheat....almost instantly. As far as the slotket, the only

thing i can suggest, is to try different jumper settings, on it. What is the

BIOS showing the CPU as, and what speed?
May 27, 2006 1:36:17 PM

Quote:

That's a shame , that one of the retention tabs broke off. I doubt if you

can glue it back on and it be STRONG enough to hold on a heatsink. So,

if the heatsink isn't sitting on the cpu with sufficient downforce, the cpu will

very likely overheat....almost instantly. As far as the slotket, the only

thing i can suggest, is to try different jumper settings, on it. What is the

BIOS showing the CPU as, and what speed?


I could not even got to the BIOS, the startup process did not proceed that far. The computer did not beep, did not show the video card startup screen, and did not get to the BIOS enter key. It was just simply not working...

As far as the retention tab and the heatsink, there is still a small hook that did not broke, but it is very small. Looks enought to keep back the Celeron heatsink in place, but I'm woried that if a move or a blow on the case can make the heatsink to leave its place...

I'm asking myself, does the heatsink/fan that were on the Celeron could be used with the PIII and be enought to cool it?

By the way, is there any danger of tring the PIII without heatsink/fan just for a few seconds? THat what I did yesterday since I could not place the heatsink on it. No more than 15-20 seconds I suppose...
May 27, 2006 8:39:26 PM

Quote:


I'm asking myself, does the heatsink/fan that were on the Celeron could be used with the PIII and be enought to cool it?

By the way, is there any danger of tring the PIII without heatsink/fan just for a few seconds? THat what I did yesterday since I could not place the heatsink on it. No more than 15-20 seconds I suppose...


Yes, i think you'll be able to cool the P3 with the Celeron HS/F. The later
P3 models 18micron(coppermine) didn't run that hot. As far as running it
without a HS/F, i wouldn't for long. 15-20 seconds might be ok, but if you
do that, leave it off for awhile to let it fully cool down, before you try again. As, i suggested before, you may have to experiment with the
jumpers on the slotket, before it will even boot. I see no reason why you
shouldn't be able to get the P3 running with that setup....GL

PS. If you're worried about that little TAB holding the HS/F on, then take
off the fan, and put a nice strong elastic band around it, then remount fan. Sounds sort of Ghetto, but its probably enough to take some pressure, or even hold it, should the tab let go. Insurance...sort of. :) 
May 27, 2006 9:59:57 PM

Hi,

If the HS/FAN of the Celeron look nice to you, I may do that because I do not see how that big HS/FAN kit could be put on there.

As long as the plastic tab problem goes, I'm not sure to understand you tip about the lastic. Are you saying that you're suggesting to put an elastic all arround the slotket that maintain the HS on the CPU? In other worl, when you say "arround it" what is "it" anyway?

I may (not sure) be able to remove the Celeron HS bracket and use it with the PIII HS also. I cannot say why I did not try it before...

As far as the 15-20 seconds is, for the CPU, I would have not imagine it could be that a long time for it. I tryed it only once, just to see if at least it would boot, then I put back the Celeron.

Thanks again for your more than welcome help and experience.
May 28, 2006 5:54:43 AM

Quote:

I'm not sure to understand you tip about the lastic. Are you saying that you're suggesting to put an elastic all arround the slotket that maintain the HS on the CPU? In other worl, when you say "arround it" what is "it" anyway?


YVW. :)  Yes, actually 2 fairly strong elastics around the slotket, and

over the heatsink. You want 2, spaced out near the edges of the HS, so

that they put "even" pressure on it. Actually... the elastics will go around

the slot1 upright "posts". I've done this many times, though it isn't a

permanent solution, as the elastics will stretch and crack, then break...

within a month, maybe less. I'm confident the celeron HS/F should be ok

for the P3, unless you try to overclock it....and assuming that you aren't

putting the wrong(2.0v) voltage through it.
May 29, 2006 1:21:49 AM

I have no intention of overclocking it, if I can make it work as is, it will be far more effective than the Celeron 500!

I'm wandering if tightrap (not sure how to write this) could be better than an elastic band. What do you think? That way I may be able to put the real HS/FAN since it is made a way the fan is on side, not on top.

By the way, the fact that the fan is on teh HS side, could this make the heat goes too mucj on the MB or on the case unit? I mean, the fact that the slot 1 is vertical, the fan will push on either the case or the MB, not in clean air!

Thanks again.
May 29, 2006 2:36:12 AM

I made a few progress, but a few drawback also!

I Changed one of the jumper and now the CPU was detected as PII 933, sounds good. I read this page:

http://swe.aopen.com.tw/testreport/mb/ListTestItem.asp?...

Not sure to understand all of this, but I tryed to make the correspondance to my computer and put the ratio to 7, the default was 4 I think. But after doing this the computer boots up to the BIOS invitation, but pressing DEL do nothing, as if its frozed.

I did reset the CMOS, no help...

Should I have left the default ratio ?

By the way, I did remove the fan from the PII HS and put it on the Celeron HS. The fan is bigger and may help cool better.

I tried fit the PII HS, but considering the plastic arround the slotket and the metal tab under the HS (maybe to help position it) theer no way it can be fit correctly. I may have to remove some metal tab under it to help. Also, the HS comes nearby some transistor or something on the MB. It takes its place, but there is not much space left arround it!

Also, putting elastic or something else to maintain the HS may help, since it is not tuff enought to maintain it in place. Just a small hitch, and boom! But the slot 1 has some guide arround it to help enter the slotket. I'm wandering if that could be remove to make place for the elastic or tightrap? I also found a way to remove the plastic guide or the slotket isself, so maybe I can put the tightrap inside the platic guide itself and put it back.

That way I tryed to put the PII HS and it is large enought that it took over the slotket pins, meaning that the slotket may not enter fully in place when put back on the MB. Very huge that HS, wow!
May 29, 2006 5:49:36 AM

Quote:

I Changed one of the jumper and now the CPU was detected as PII 933, sounds good.

Not sure to understand all of this, but I tryed to make the correspondance to my computer and put the ratio to 7, the default was 4 I think.


That's good. The BIOS doesn't always detect the CPU properly, yet it will

still work. I use a celeron(Tualatin 1300), and on boot, the BIOS shows it

as a P2 1300. No use trying to adjust the multiplier in the BIOS, you can't

change it anyway, as Intel multipliers are locked. Good going. :wink:

Have you noticed the P3 is more responsive?
May 29, 2006 10:06:59 AM

Quote:


That's good. The BIOS doesn't always detect the CPU properly, yet it will

still work. I use a celeron(Tualatin 1300), and on boot, the BIOS shows it

as a P2 1300. No use trying to adjust the multiplier in the BIOS, you can't

change it anyway, as Intel multipliers are locked. Good going. :wink:

Have you noticed the P3 is more responsive?


Ok for the multiplier, won't play with it any longer.

The computer is booting, but freezes after a few seconds.

There maybe be a few thinks that's going wrong:

- the CPU may be a the wrong voltage and heat too much
- the Celeron HS with PII fan is not cooling enought
- the HS is not tight enought and make the CPU overheat.

or maybe something else I did not found out. But in any case, it freezes fast. No time to boot Windows.

I'll try to make teh HS more tight. Any other suggestion?

Thanks
May 30, 2006 2:22:37 AM

The missing tab is really a problem. The HS do not stay in place.

How much does it cost for a good slotket?

Thanks
May 30, 2006 4:18:05 AM

Quote:
The missing tab is really a problem. The HS do not stay in place.

How much does it cost for a good slotket?

Thanks

I bought a couple off eBAY about a year and a half ago..$6/each+ shipping. Came to about $10-$12/each(Canadian). :D 
May 30, 2006 9:13:12 AM

Quote:
The missing tab is really a problem. The HS do not stay in place.

How much does it cost for a good slotket?

Thanks

I bought a couple off eBAY about a year and a half ago..$6/each+ shipping. Came to about $10-$12/each(Canadian). :D 

Hi,

There is about just 1mm of the left tab left.

For the Celeron with its HS it can maintain it for a while but sometimes it springs-out.

For the PIII, just installing the slotket onto the MB and sometimes it is out! Like if the PIII is thicker or something like.

And I'm not even sure if I did broke the PIII as it does boot for few seconds before frozing again. ANd no matter what I do with the jumpers, they all do the same as far as I'm concern. The first setting I did may have been just a luck!

Does that one looks good to you?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=68857...
May 30, 2006 9:54:56 AM

Quote:


Does that one looks good to you?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=68857...


Yeah...it LOOKS ok. Hey, it's only a buck...Well, see how the bidding

goes. I bought mine with "Buy Now"...so there was no worry. If anyone

else bids, it might cost you $5. GL

6 bucks including shipping! :) 

There is a lot of jumpers/switch on it. I just hope there is a manual. I've ask the seller.

As for the bidding, I'm looking at it since 2 days, no bid yet! ;) 
May 30, 2006 10:02:29 AM

Quote:


Does that one looks good to you?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=68857...


Yeah...it LOOKS ok. Hey, it's only a buck...Well, see how the bidding

goes. I bought mine with "Buy Now"...so there was no worry. If anyone

else bids, it might cost you $5. GL

6 bucks including shipping! :) 

There is a lot of jumpers/switch on it. I just hope there is a manual. I've ask the seller.

As for the bidding, I'm looking at it since 2 days, no bid yet! ;) 

Won't be a manual, just jumper settings on the back of the packaging.
May 30, 2006 11:44:24 AM

That should be enought, based on your experience?
May 30, 2006 11:45:11 AM

Quote:
That should be enought, based on your experience?
yeah....it should.
June 1, 2006 12:25:44 AM

Hi Tanker,

I finally install the PIII with the HS of the Celeron and I used plastic ties to maintain it in place. So far, it helps a bit.

I did open a case with AOpen, and they really suggest to force the ratio to 7, so I did that. That gave me in the BIOS the "CPU setup speed" to 933Mgz.

That said, the computer is stable for, let's say, about 2 minutes, and after that it freezes.

I've tried openning Sisoft's Sandra to find information abotu teh CPU, but strangely the program do no longer wants to start! very lucky! I was hoping to get the detected CPU voltage, as the voltage is given correctly with the Celeron.

So far, I've tryed a small game and for the time I succeed using it, it prove that the computer was really more responsive that using the Celeron.

Any idea what's may cause that frozing happen?

I did not tryed different jumpers setting on the slotket, but I do not know if that may help... What do you think of this?

A friend suggested the memory, but we check out that we're using PC133 mem, so that should be OK.

Thanks
June 1, 2006 7:55:07 AM

Quote:

I finally install the PIII with the HS of the Celeron and I used plastic ties to maintain it in place. So far, it helps a bit.

That said, the computer is stable for, let's say, about 2 minutes, and after that it freezes.
There are only 2 possible things i can think of:

1. The plastic ties aren't keeping enough/even pressure on the HS. If
this IS the case, then you'll have to wait for a new slotket.

2. In the "CPU Compatibility Test" page, they used BIOS version R1.04.
If you aren't using this BIOS, then maybe the mobo isn't using the
proper PCI/AGP ratio, which would run your (NIC,sound card, HDD)
at 44.33 MHz instead of the standard 33MHz, and your Video Card will
be running at 88.66 MHz instead of 66MHz. Some video cards CAN
handle running at this speed, but the HDD and NIC won't.

SANDRA may not run right if #2 is the case, as running the HDD over
~38MHz can cause the HDD to start corrupting files.

My advice:

1. Check and make sure you are using the proper BIOS. If not Flash
the appropriate one...R1.04.

2. If that didn't solve the problem, put the celeron back in. Boot into
Windows, and do a Scandisk. Then uninstall SANDRA. Now reinstall
SANDRA and shut down. Install P3. Boot into Safe Mode. Open
SANDRA and check in "Mainboard Information". Go down to the
"AGP Bus" section and check the bus speed. Do this also with the
"PCI Bus" section...directly below. (hard to read in safe mode) :?

If all is fine there, then i think you might be out of luck,for some
reason.Let me know, and maybe we can figure out another solution.

GL :) 
June 1, 2006 11:54:14 PM

Quote:

I finally install the PIII with the HS of the Celeron and I used plastic ties to maintain it in place. So far, it helps a bit.

That said, the computer is stable for, let's say, about 2 minutes, and after that it freezes.
There are only 2 possible things i can think of:

1. The plastic ties aren't keeping enough/even pressure on the HS. If
this IS the case, then you'll have to wait for a new slotket.

2. In the "CPU Compatibility Test" page, they used BIOS version R1.04.
If you aren't using this BIOS, then maybe the mobo isn't using the
proper PCI/AGP ratio, which would run your (NIC,sound card, HDD)
at 44.33 MHz instead of the standard 33MHz, and your Video Card will
be running at 88.66 MHz instead of 66MHz. Some video cards CAN
handle running at this speed, but the HDD and NIC won't.

SANDRA may not run right if #2 is the case, as running the HDD over
~38MHz can cause the HDD to start corrupting files.

My advice:

1. Check and make sure you are using the proper BIOS. If not Flash
the appropriate one...R1.04.

2. If that didn't solve the problem, put the celeron back in. Boot into
Windows, and do a Scandisk. Then uninstall SANDRA. Now reinstall
SANDRA and shut down. Install P3. Boot into Safe Mode. Open
SANDRA and check in "Mainboard Information". Go down to the
"AGP Bus" section and check the bus speed. Do this also with the
"PCI Bus" section...directly below. (hard to read in safe mode) :?

If all is fine there, then i think you might be out of luck,for some
reason.Let me know, and maybe we can figure out another solution.

GL :) 

I'm using BIOS version 1.05, that should cover 1.04 also.

Where did you get the information about the PCI/AGP voltage information related to the BIOS version?

I had uninstall and reinstalled Sandra, but that was with the PIII running, so... But strangelly other programs seem to work well. Only Sandra! The only one I need!

I've been outbid on the Slotket I showed you, so I looses it. There are more, but they sells for a very higher price.

That said, that may be the CPU heating. Especially that it is hot those day!

If that is the bus speed that is wrong, is there any adjutment we need/may do in the BIOS for that?

Thanks again.
June 2, 2006 1:11:34 AM

Hi,

I did reinstalled the Celeron, and run Sandra. It is working just well.


But it says that the PCI bus is too fast (I saw 50Mhz). That may be because I had reset the CMOS once, so there may be a setup somewhere that is not set properlly. Now it is rebooting, and the HDD looks very slow. Humm, I think that was because Windows update was running an update in the background.

Ok, the Celeron gives me:

AGP bus 2x100 (200Mhz)
PCI Bus 50 Mhz

In the alerts at the bottoms, it says (simplified alerts here!):

the IOQD is too low.
PCI bus is too high. Lower it.

Any idea?

And that is with the Celeron, so imagine with the PIII!

Thanks
a b à CPUs
June 2, 2006 3:48:07 AM

First of all, you should go through this thread and cuss out every single responder who lead you wrong, including the first one.

This has to stop, I take off for a while and suddenly a bunch of children who know nothing about computers and have never even seen anything so old as a Slot-1 adapter start dispensing advice on something they don't know anything about.

Now, getting back to your problems: First of all, the original Celeron Slot-1 adapters didn't work with Pentium III's. Intel changed a pin on the CPU, newer motherboards supported both while older motherboards didn't, and the same problem occured on Slot adapters.

So you'd need a Coppermine compatible adapter. I can recommend one...The Upgradeware Slot-T. It works with both Coppermines and Tualatins. That adapter would allow your board to support a PIII-1400 as well as the PIII you just bought, but it doesn't support the early Celerons.
June 2, 2006 9:36:35 AM

Quote:
First of all, you should go through this thread and cuss out every single responder who lead you wrong, including the first one.


That would be me, i'm the only one willing to help. Why didn't you just say that "i" was wrong?


Quote:

This has to stop, I take off for a while and suddenly a bunch of children who know nothing about computers and have never even seen anything so old as a Slot-1 adapter start dispensing advice on something they don't know anything about.
I have several slotkets, and lots of experience with them, and
slot-1, and socket 370, and coppermine,mendocino,tualatin,etc.etc.

I know you think you are the King, but you really should work on your
people skills. Although it's very easy to be a goof when you're not face-
to-face with the person, i'm willing to bet that not all of your 40,000
posts are error free. Just something to chew on. :wink:

@meall.
You must have a jumper wrong on the slotket for the PCI bus to be at 50.

Crashman is wrong about the adaptor, as you're not only having troubles

with the P3, but the celeron as well. He says the new adaptor will support

P3, Tualatin, but not older celeron(which yours is...mendocino). So, if the

adaptor is no good with P3, Tualatin, then it SHOULD work on older

celeron...going by his post. Recheck the jumpers on the slotket. If you

don't want to listen to me, that's ok, and no hard feelings. :wink: I am not

claiming to be an "expert", just someone who has done alot of messing

around with those platforms, and CPU's. GL :) 
June 2, 2006 10:32:26 AM

The jumpers on the slot 1 adaptor are exactly as it was before all the tests I did. So that's the default the Celeron comes with. The problem should not come from there, that's why I've ask if something in the BIOS could been ajusted.
June 2, 2006 10:57:36 AM

Quote:
The jumpers on the slot 1 adaptor are exactly as it was before all the tests I did. So that's the default the Celeron comes with. The problem should not come from there, that's why I've ask if something in the BIOS could been ajusted.
Well, in order for the
PCI bus to be at 50MHz, then your FSB must be set at 100MHz...In the
BIOS. In this case, your celeron would be running at 750 MHz. Going by
the CPU Compatability page for your Mobo, it only supports up to a celeron 366 with the mendocino(FSB66) core. Your cel. 500 will have a multi. of 7.5. Maybe your mobo sees it as a P3 750, but isn't using the
proper PCI/AGP divider. Check in the BIOS, and see what the FSB is set
to, 50MHz PCI bus, will be very hard on your HD, and video card.
a b à CPUs
June 2, 2006 5:28:13 PM

As for your bus speeds being wrong, they're probably configured automatically by BIOS, try reseting it. The Celeron 500 had a CPU bus of 66MHz, the PCI ratio would be 1/2 (33MHz) and the AGP ratio 1:1 (66MHz). AGP 2x is still 66MHz, it just has a faster data rate of 133MHz, etc.

As for getting any PIII running, there were actually several types of adapters, the first only supported early Celeron cores (like your Mendicino 500MHz), the second type supported Coppermines and Mendicinos with a jumper to select modes, the third type supported only Coppermines, the most recent supported Coppermines and Tualatins.

Your board supports Coppermines which means it's VRM 8.4

Your early adapter shouldn't cause any bus speed issues but is unlikely to work with the new processor. Getting your old processor to the right bus speeds is a matter of using the right motherboard settings, either by jumper or BIOS, in your case probably BIOS.

Multiplier jumpers have no effect on the newer processors (even the Celeron 500) you're using.
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