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May 26, 2006 9:26:35 AM

I've been an AMD 'fanboy' for years.

I always pull for the underdog....and besides that I knew enough to know that Intel was putting out crap. the crap part became even clearer when a good friend of mine got into the chip design world (Carnegie Mellon...adv masters etc...) worked for DEC, NEC, Compaq, then started into the IPO world, just as the bubble started bursting. During this time he had Intel headhunters pursuing him......The main part of the conversation that I remember is when I asked him if he was going to Intel.......

He said...

"I should..........but they make crap."

He refused the beast....and has done fine for himself...

Shame is...

AMD is high on crack with the pricing....

They HAD a dedicatd user base. Then they market the AM2 socket at a higher price point for less performance (I'm sorry, but having to buy the BEST DDR2 to get equal....that's LESS than 939 for the price). Especially when they know the Conroe truck is headed their way....

As a faithful AMD'r I just wish they remembered how they got where they are.....price vs performance.

They finally start making the share holder happy....then turn into Intel.

Fanboy or Not......

I will not pay more for less.

That's esactly what AM2 is at this point.

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May 26, 2006 9:30:43 AM

Intel had the same problem when they frist change to ddr2. So both companys had the same problem. Besides when conroe comes out. Hopefully it will drop Amd prices.
May 26, 2006 9:47:32 AM

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Intel had the same problem when they frist change to ddr2. So both companys had the same problem. Besides when conroe comes out. Hopefully it will drop Amd prices.


AMD can't afford to drop prices enough to compete with Intel. Everyone

seems to think, these big price cuts are imminent. AMD doesn't WANT to

loose market share back to INTEL, but if they try to compete with INTEL,

they will get buried. Intel, would love AMD to "try" and compete. INTEL

has alot of wiggle room, don't think they've gone as low as they can. If they

have to, they can lower more, AMD can't. INTEL fans, are looking at

true "bargain" prices, AMD fans won't be.
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May 26, 2006 9:50:11 AM

Guys, company pricing strategies are dictated by strict marketing rules, not by ethics or traditions or desire to please a fan base.
AMD has the performance lead and has established its branding, so it charges a premium for its CPUs (especially the fastest ones).
Sure they'll lose the crown right round the corner.. and then it's when their prices will plummet.
But until then, they'll try to get as much cash as they can with their current CPU.
Cause the only people who'll delay the purchase of a computer based on benchmarks of a product which is yet to come, are tech enthusiasts which make only a tiny portion of the market.
If an enterprise needs to buy 1000 PCs today, they wont wait 2 months for Conroe or for AM2 price drop.
May 26, 2006 11:08:55 AM

I agree with you, and find it kinda scary.
AMD has enjoyed a leading or competitive position for many years, but couldn't take full advantage of it, for lack of reputation / branding, production facilities, and to a lesser degree, stability in the partner platform solutions (mobos and chipsets).
Now it was finally the point when AMD was seriously worrying Intel and starting to hit them where it hurts, they had the product and the market acceptance, but Intel is gonna go all out on them on performance AND price..
And with IBM completely out of the PC hw business, i dont really see who could possibly save them.
May 26, 2006 11:22:46 AM

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I agree with you, and find it kinda scary.
AMD has enjoyed a leading or competitive position for many years, but couldn't take full advantage of it, for lack of reputation / branding, production facilities, and to a lesser degree, stability in the partner platform solutions (mobos and chipsets).
Now it was finally the point when AMD was seriously worrying Intel and starting to hit them where it hurts, they had the product and the market acceptance, but Intel is gonna go all out on them on performance AND price..
And with IBM completely out of the PC hw business, i dont really see who could possibly save them.


Maybe they should start kissing Bill Gates butt. M$ would be a nice ally
to have. They could agree to incorporate every DRM, and anti-piracy
type function into every chip. Gates would love it. :wink:
May 26, 2006 11:39:33 AM

AM2 is just setting up a broader foundation on which to base their next generation. performance decrease during the transition? - sit out a few months!
why they are taking up their pricing? i guess its: because they can. either that or they are running out of money. i guess it's not cheap to design, reinvent and perfect a whole set of processors and the things that go with them (e.g heatsinks, retention mechanisms, chipsets, dealing w/ manufacturers etc.)
May 26, 2006 12:10:38 PM

I guess it's difficult for them to see the "BIG PICTURE", to remember what has happened in the past, the NForce-NForce 2, or 754 to 939, back to back releases that did nothing but screw things up and confuse the already confused.
With things the way they are, not knowing what motherboards will really work with the new Intel CPUs is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.
AMD said there would be little boost in performance with the 1st release of AM2 so why all of the crying ? Are you guys complete morons ? Evidently you are, and just like some women too, you just want what you want, you don't care what it takes to get it.
May 26, 2006 12:18:59 PM

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is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.

AM2 isn't really a new processor.
May 26, 2006 12:41:35 PM

I can personally guarantee you AMD will never, ever go totally out of business. Ever.
May 26, 2006 1:18:07 PM

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if they were to, i'm sure all the fanboys would rally together to buy them out :p 


If Intel Fanboy whant to have low price for long, they should run for it too. Getting a player out of the game won<t be good for the customer. Monopolistic marketing would bring high price fo sure no matter the performance
May 26, 2006 2:12:14 PM

Doesn't the law of supply and demand dictate this stuff to a large degree?

Think about the FX60/62 that none of us will pay $1000+ for... well, guess what... AMD sells that chip at that price because obviously some of us ARE willing to pay that price. Does it cost that much to make that CPU? Certainly not. Is AMD making mad money of it? Bet on it. A better product will almost always carry a higher price once the market has accepted it as the superior product.

Yes, Intel does have the luxury of being the larger manufacturer... and its large volume does help it lower costs (think about Wal-Mart!!!) For this reason, Intel can adjust its pricing up OR down depending on how competitive its products are... in times when Intel has inferior products it can lower its prices without killing its bottom line... when it has superior products (think 1995-1999) it doesn't have to compete on a price point. AMD, although I'm sure it has some room to go up or down, doesn't have as much ability to lower prices... if a price war breaks out, AMD loses. Look at the 800/900 series of processors... man, those are some seriously cheap processors... dual core for $130?!? That's crazy... but for that round Intel had the inferior product. My main concern is that demand for Conroe will cause Intel to raise prices across the board because they know we're all willing to pay for a superior product. The initial pricing listed for Conroe says it's going to be a killer value. And in case anyone forgot... value = features & performance / price. For a chip to have a higher value, it's either gotta add more features and performance or has to have a lower price.

That's just the way the world works right? Why complain about it?
May 26, 2006 2:39:52 PM

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is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.

AM2 isn't really a new processor.

See, that's what I mean.......MORON Tanker, Chipset/Motherboard is for the new one coming.
Still not reading damn, the new one is coming, try retaining some information.
Half reading, memory leaking guys like you put a damper on these forums.
May 26, 2006 3:27:26 PM

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As a faithful AMD'r I just wish they remembered how they got where they are.....price vs performance.

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If they have to, they can lower more, AMD can't. INTEL fans, are looking at true "bargain" prices, AMD fans won't be.

Bang on. Those were what made AMD so great back in the days(and why I bought a Barton) and now Intel is using that against them.

This all really goes to show, both AMD and Intel are in business to make money, not to provide a public service or serve some other noble purpose. AMD is playing the underdog card, and they have milked that for all it's worth for many years. Now that they (perhaps temporarily) have the superior product, they show their true colors. Just out for money! If you are a fanboy of either company, you're doing yourself a huge disservice. Just vote with your wallet for whoever provides the best product. Don't know if anyone remembers, but how did Microsoft start out? Bill Gates was the media darling. Microsoft was David, and IBM was Goliath. Microsoft was good, and IBM was big, bureaucratic, and EVIL. Everyone rooted for little Wonder Boy Bill with his boyish grin. Gates shrewdly played the underdog card, and look what we have today? Who is the monster, and who has completely exited the PC business? AMD is angling for the same trajectory. They want to become the next Intel, and they owe it to themselves and their shareholders to do that. All I'm saying is, don't be a fanboy. Just look out for numero uno. With all that said, I would say that anyone who buys an FX-60 or a pentium EE for a thousand bucks today will probably find themselves left "holding the bag" in a couple of months, after Conroe has come out, assuming the projected pricing and the benchmarks are true.
May 26, 2006 3:41:41 PM

Don't ever piss off the man.
May 26, 2006 4:06:34 PM

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They way Intel is going, this agressively, the pricing on Core 2 as it comes out, it looks to me they are going after AMD to drive them out of business. This is just my opinion, but wow... prices, performance, etc. this is gonna put some pressure on AMD don't think it will not.


In football, they say: "That's why they play the game." And I expect it will be similar here and don't think of AMD as being in a last-gasp situation just yet. Look at how long Apple survived in spite of all the huge bad decisions made along the way. Besides, I'm not at all certain that the 65nm AMD CPUs won't be able to compete. It's a wait and see sitch.

edit: I forgot to say: Talking about pressure, think of life in the RAM industry right now. I was talking to a memory engineer the other day and he said the scramble is approaching fury pace. New demands, new test rigs, new tweaks to existing QC parameters. It's no slam dunk.
May 26, 2006 4:22:31 PM

Quote:

is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.

AM2 isn't really a new processor.

See, that's what I mean.......MORON Tanker, Chipset/Motherboard is for the new one coming.
Still not reading damn, the new one is coming, try retaining some information.
Half reading, memory leaking guys like you put a damper on these forums.
Are you, by chance, related to Mad Mod Mike? Calling me names, doesn't

make you RIGHT, or mean you WIN. JEEZ. Some people. I think the

damper comes from guys like you. I bet you're the kind of person, that

if you get caught speeding, and the cop shows you his RADAR gun, you'd

say...."BUT I SAID" my speedo says i wasn't....then rips up the ticket in a

rage and throws it at the cops feet. No People Skills. Nada ,Zip,Zilch,Nil.

Silly me....Judging by your maturity level, you're not old enough to drive.

:roll:
May 26, 2006 11:06:52 PM

Quote:

is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.

AM2 isn't really a new processor.

See, that's what I mean.......MORON Tanker, Chipset/Motherboard is for the new one coming.
Still not reading damn, the new one is coming, try retaining some information.
Half reading, memory leaking guys like you put a damper on these forums.
Are you, by chance, related to Mad Mod Mike? Calling me names, doesn't

make you RIGHT, or mean you WIN. JEEZ. Some people. I think the

damper comes from guys like you. I bet you're the kind of person, that

if you get caught speeding, and the cop shows you his RADAR gun, you'd

say...."BUT I SAID" my speedo says i wasn't....then rips up the ticket in a

rage and throws it at the cops feet. No People Skills. Nada ,Zip,Zilch,Nil.

Silly me....Judging by your maturity level, you're not old enough to drive.

:roll:

LOL, now that's comedy, I must've stuck a nerve, at least you read FULLY this time.
Whether I called you something or not you still didn't read........and....
I don't speed on the street, I'm a motorcycle drag racer and I've been at speeds in the quarter that would make you cry......
And I'm probably old enough to be your father........
And you deserved it for coming back at me and not reading what I wrote.
Bet you'll read things twice from now on before you reply.
May 27, 2006 4:56:24 AM

Quote:

is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.

AM2 isn't really a new processor.

See, that's what I mean.......MORON Tanker, Chipset/Motherboard is for the new one coming.
Still not reading damn, the new one is coming, try retaining some information.
Half reading, memory leaking guys like you put a damper on these forums.
Are you, by chance, related to Mad Mod Mike? Calling me names, doesn't

make you RIGHT, or mean you WIN. JEEZ. Some people. I think the

damper comes from guys like you. I bet you're the kind of person, that

if you get caught speeding, and the cop shows you his RADAR gun, you'd

say...."BUT I SAID" my speedo says i wasn't....then rips up the ticket in a

rage and throws it at the cops feet. No People Skills. Nada ,Zip,Zilch,Nil.

Silly me....Judging by your maturity level, you're not old enough to drive.

:roll:

LOL, now that's comedy, I must've stuck a nerve, at least you read FULLY this time.
Whether I called you something or not you still didn't read........and....
I don't speed on the street, I'm a motorcycle drag racer and I've been at speeds in the quarter that would make you cry......
And I'm probably old enough to be your father........
And you deserved it for coming back at me and not reading what I wrote.
Bet you'll read things twice from now on before you reply. Hey, if we are going to have a war over the internet, at least do it in style, like the pimp Ronald McDonald, he pwns you in the face: http://warwarlol.ytmnd.com/
May 27, 2006 5:42:25 AM

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I can personally guarantee you AMD will never, ever go totally out of business. Ever.


Yea that's what i thought when i bought my Voodoo card... ahh the days of glide and Wicked GL. D3D and Opengl got nothing on glide. 8)

Anyways, the moral of the story is, nothing lasts forever and one dumbass can bring down an entire company.
May 27, 2006 5:51:28 AM

Quote:

is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.

AM2 isn't really a new processor.

See, that's what I mean.......MORON Tanker, Chipset/Motherboard is for the new one coming.
Still not reading damn, the new one is coming, try retaining some information.
Half reading, memory leaking guys like you put a damper on these forums.
Are you, by chance, related to Mad Mod Mike? Calling me names, doesn't

make you RIGHT, or mean you WIN. JEEZ. Some people. I think the

damper comes from guys like you. I bet you're the kind of person, that

if you get caught speeding, and the cop shows you his RADAR gun, you'd

say...."BUT I SAID" my speedo says i wasn't....then rips up the ticket in a

rage and throws it at the cops feet. No People Skills. Nada ,Zip,Zilch,Nil.

Silly me....Judging by your maturity level, you're not old enough to drive.

:roll:

LOL, now that's comedy, I must've stuck a nerve, at least you read FULLY this time.
Whether I called you something or not you still didn't read........and....
I don't speed on the street, I'm a motorcycle drag racer and I've been at speeds in the quarter that would make you cry......
And I'm probably old enough to be your father........
And you deserved it for coming back at me and not reading what I wrote.
Bet you'll read things twice from now on before you reply.
Speed has never scared me...I used to do 150 m.p.h on my motorcycle,

almost on a daily basis...20 years ago. Same in my car..140+ almost

daily. Top on bike ~153..In car~160... On snowmobile...117m.p.h. on

RADAR, and over 100- 100's of times. I've always been a speed addict.

With the exception of the snowmobile, for obvious reasons, all speeds

were on the street. :?
May 27, 2006 5:59:18 AM

Can't match Intel burst capacity. That is the point; AMD is going to get buried.

Intel 200mm wafer are practically out the door. They are 90% 300mm with all their fabs. Lets see, Israel has one and another large Fab on the way. Ireland has 1 big Fab and another on the way. Arizona has 3 fabs, all converted to 300mm and running. New Mexico has one. Oregon has 3 fabs all at 300mm and thousands of Acres to expand. All these fabs are cranking out Woodcrest and Conroe and chipsets. All using the best equipment and yielding 99%. Yes, let’s not forget Boston Mass.

Hmmmmmmmmm, how many Fabs does AMD have.
Not enough!

I say the giant has awakened!
When Intel said they are going to win market share back, they mean business.
100,000 employees = lots of good stuff for the consumers.
18,000 employees don’t cut it.

Let me tell you a story. Just a couple of days ago when I was at best buy in Beaverton Oregon; a young lady came in looking to buy 3 computers. The sales person right away pushes AMD down her throat. She literally scream out load and said NO AMD!
Why the sales men ask?
My last AMD went puff up in smoke she replied.
Store manager came by and quickly showed her the Intel computers.
The sales man last attempt and told the lady the Pentium D 930 runs really hot.
She touches the case and said Ice cold, what you talking about Willis!

You see, I hear this type of story all the time, more and more people are shying away from AMD. My CPU fried they exclaim.
With the right heat sink that comes with the Intel processor, it works great, stays at 30C'. Yes my Prescott on 65nm 3 GHz runs that cool. Performance wise, it’s very smooth. Gaming, no issue with a great video card and plenty of ram. You know, call of duty and battlefield 2.

Hey, the King is back. :D 
May 27, 2006 6:13:07 AM

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Can't match Intel burst capacity. That is the point; AMD is going to get buried.

Intel 200mm wafer are practically out the door. They are 90% 300mm with all their fabs. Lets see, Israel has.... ect.
**Nods.**
May 27, 2006 7:27:34 AM

Here what Most of you are forgetting. If and I say if amd went out of buissness. Intel will Jack up prices and who will it hurt? We will get hurt in price as well as preformance. The Sweet Intel prices of $500 or so. Will Sky rocket to a $700 and the high end will go up $1.5k. Then you also forget upgrades every 2 years it would be like every 4 years. Speed of a cpu will slow down and so on.

You need Amd as a balance of price and upgrades. If amd Upgrades something and it faster. Intel going to come back with a upgrade and beat amd.

But I notice Intel fanboys as well as Amd fanboys dont understand this Logic.
May 27, 2006 7:41:12 AM

I doubt intel would jack up prices much if that were case. You can only charge people so much and it would open the gates for someone to come in.
May 27, 2006 8:09:15 AM

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With the right heat sink that comes with the Intel processor, it works great, stays at 30C'. Yes my Prescott on 65nm 3 GHz runs that cool.


30 Celcius? Either you're using the PC in a chest freezer, or thats the temp it starts at when you turn the machine on. I'd like to see some operational temps on this one :D 
May 27, 2006 8:16:52 AM

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I doubt intel would jack up prices much if that were case. You can only charge people so much and it would open the gates for someone to come in.


AMD is not going of business, at least not yet... and if it got so bad for them, they would be bought out and the Athlon or whatever it evolves into would be remade from a different company.

Besides we are all speculating because our eyes are bugging out at the price drops from Intel - we still need to see how the market responds before any of this conjecture can start to firm up into a trend.

I myself believe AMD is in for rough times ahead -- but do not think that it will mean the end.

Nor i. Worst case scenario..AMD goes looking for a financial partner, to help them weather the storm. It makes me think of an actual fistfight.
Intel may start hitting AMD(who falls to the ground). Intel may continue
hitting them while they're down, or someone will come to AMD's rescue,
and help "break it up". If nobody come to stop it, and AMD can"cover up",
Intel may just get "tired", and say...had enough. Than AMD may jump up,
and say F'you, is that all you've got....Round 2 begins. Maybe now Intel,
with alot of energy expended takes a punch, but AMD ducks, and hits
Intel in the gut....or better, uppercut to the chin. LOL....Silly, yes, but
maybe not entirely impossible. :wink:

PS...i think i've watched way too much TV. :?
May 27, 2006 8:39:37 AM

Not to worry my friend, if Intel were to force AMD out of business at this point, the FTC would just ask Hector what 1/2 of Intel's assets he wanted.
The pricing thing may just backfire as well.
I dont know about you, but if I go into an electronics shop, and the salesman tries to tell me that a cheaper product is better, I'm out the door. I could see AMD holding onto market share just because Intel has muddied the water with "faster is better" or not. People who would normally buy Intel, would wonder if maybe the more expensive product wasn't the better product.
I still dont know that conroe will be the better product. What ever product truly is superior, I will use and recommend. If I find someone who abosulutely needs to use the closest to true value of pi, I will recommend a conroe single core.
May 27, 2006 1:40:20 PM

Intel doesn't want AMD out business. They like the competition. It only mean Intel has to be very creative to match AMD every move, visa versa if that's how people say it.
May 27, 2006 1:43:05 PM

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Not to worry my friend, if Intel were to force AMD out of business at this point, the FTC would just ask Hector what 1/2 of Intel's assets he wanted.


I don't think the FTC would do that. It would be illegal! There is no law saying that you can't drive your competitors out of business by making a superior product. That's part of the free market. If the FTC were to have such a standing policy, then who would want to work hard to compete? Just make crappy stuff and threaten to go out of business, and the FTC will play santa claus for you. But maybe you are just saying that flippantly, in which case, never mind.
May 27, 2006 1:52:18 PM

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Not to worry my friend, if Intel were to force AMD out of business at this point, the FTC would just ask Hector what 1/2 of Intel's assets he wanted.


I don't think the FTC would do that. It would be illegal! There is no law saying that you can't drive your competitors out of business by making a superior product. That's part of the free market. If the FTC were to have such a standing policy, then who would want to work hard to compete? Just make crappy stuff and threaten to go out of business, and the FTC will play santa claus for you. But maybe you are just saying that flippantly, in which case, never mind.

Yeah this is true. I can understand the whole rooting for the underdog in sports but not in corp america. It's a dog eat dog world and that is the way it's suppose to be, unless you are a communist who is a bleeding heart liberal.
May 27, 2006 1:57:28 PM

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Not to worry my friend, if Intel were to force AMD out of business at this point, the FTC would just ask Hector what 1/2 of Intel's assets he wanted.
The pricing thing may just backfire as well.
I dont know about you, but if I go into an electronics shop, and the salesman tries to tell me that a cheaper product is better, I'm out the door. I could see AMD holding onto market share just because Intel has muddied the water with "faster is better" or not. People who would normally buy Intel, would wonder if maybe the more expensive product wasn't the better product.
I still dont know that conroe will be the better product. What ever product truly is superior, I will use and recommend. If I find someone who abosulutely needs to use the closest to true value of pi, I will recommend a conroe single core.


This would hold true if both companies were equally known/unknown but the fact is that intel is still one of the most recognized brands in the world.
May 27, 2006 2:53:44 PM

I don't usually reply to this kind of post, but I feel for now..

You guy are all missing the point.

I suggest to buy few book about marketing and economics and read them. You'll have a way different opinion on what's going on.

First, at the moment, AMD is the leader and Intel play catch up. Just like back in 1999-2000, when Intel was the leader and AMD playing catching up.

When you are the leader, you set the pace. And the competitor try to beat you. AMD got on Intel for the first widely available (read consumer product) 1 Ghz CPU. Then MHz race was on. Intel release the netburst architecture. Willamette was a flop, Northwood was much better. To allow them to ramp on MHz, AMD has to create the xxxx+ naming convention to remain competitive, because the AMD did the same than Intel first P4 and more with less clock speed. Not good.. people don't buy performance at the moment, but clock speed. The race remain even for a while, Intel's latest being better than AMD's latest and AMD's latest being better than Intel's latest.

Northwood "C" close the race, being faster than AMD's fastest Athlon XP.

At this point, you have 2 choice. you keep pushing old thing to get more of them or call the race and start to bring something new.

Intel slowed down on Nothwood developpement because there was no need to do it. It has the lead and could work on something else. Then AMD brought the K8 Athlon 64. They regain the lead, and Intel has to play catch up for a while. The first Prescott was not that great. The follower was much better, but not as good as AMD's one. Intel then has to choice, keep pushing the Netburst or call the race, and only add feature to remain competitive. It is what they did. They added 64 bits and dual core to match competitor's offer and lower the price.

You don't lower the price because you have an inferior product. You do it to gain market share. It how much processor you sell that matter, So you have your name everywhere. What annoy Intel more right now is not the fact that AMD perform better, is that because AMD is gaining more visibility. By lowering the price, you allow more of your technology to be accessible and your name will be painted everywhere. Right now, AMD don't have to lower their price, even if their product is not as competive because they have the maket share, so all they have to do is wait and get the money from customers. It is how its works, like it or not. Remember that 99.9% of people don't have a clue about Conroe, and don't mind about it either. They just get whatever in available now. And AMD make profit of that. Intel have done the same in the past, and expect it to do it when Conroe debut.

AMD did not invest too much time because they had to get something better soon. Tring DDR2 on the current offer was the smartest choice they could have done. They already had a superior product, with a good base, so they gain experience. All that to develop a newer and better product. They are setting the base, just like Intel did with the P-M and related technology to get something out. In the meantime, they will then lower the price, to keep its market share and name in view.

So, you can whine aytime you want about product not meeting your expectation, because company don't really care about you, the less than 0.9% that is not buying, but waiting...

To sum up, AMD and Intel are good friend that teamed up to release new and improved product, each one in a successful manner to make sure you get them and give them more money...

That's what I would do..
May 27, 2006 4:21:35 PM

Well, it turns out our friend AJ User here wants to buy a new PC to play that WOW game everyone always talks about at work. "Where to get advice?" AJ quanders to himself. Nerdy McGamer will know!

Nerdy, of course, recommends the awesome new core chip from our friends at intel. And obviously, a fellow with the name of "Nerdy McGamer" surely knows what he's talking about, and so that's what our good friend AJ buys.

15 years later, our friend AJ probably has a comfy middle level management position garnered from his popularity as guild leader of the "Pepsi-Co Warlockzzzz". Nerdy McGamer we'll call the head of IT.
May 27, 2006 5:54:05 PM

AMD will survive. Who knows this round of processors could result in some unusual alliances. AMD-IBM anyone? Not likely I know, but IBM does have significant bank, and a partnership or even merger is never completely out of the question.
May 27, 2006 7:07:11 PM

Quote:

is it not best to have a mature Chipset/Motherboard for a new processor ? AMD thinks so and based on what has happened in the past, I believe they are on the right track.

AM2 isn't really a new processor.

See, that's what I mean.......MORON Tanker, Chipset/Motherboard is for the new one coming.
Still not reading damn, the new one is coming, try retaining some information.
Half reading, memory leaking guys like you put a damper on these forums.
Are you, by chance, related to Mad Mod Mike? Calling me names, doesn't

make you RIGHT, or mean you WIN. JEEZ. Some people. I think the

damper comes from guys like you. I bet you're the kind of person, that

if you get caught speeding, and the cop shows you his RADAR gun, you'd

say...."BUT I SAID" my speedo says i wasn't....then rips up the ticket in a

rage and throws it at the cops feet. No People Skills. Nada ,Zip,Zilch,Nil.

Silly me....Judging by your maturity level, you're not old enough to drive.

:roll:

LOL, now that's comedy, I must've stuck a nerve, at least you read FULLY this time.
Whether I called you something or not you still didn't read........and....
I don't speed on the street, I'm a motorcycle drag racer and I've been at speeds in the quarter that would make you cry......
And I'm probably old enough to be your father........
And you deserved it for coming back at me and not reading what I wrote.
Bet you'll read things twice from now on before you reply.
Speed has never scared me...I used to do 150 m.p.h on my motorcycle,

almost on a daily basis...20 years ago. Same in my car..140+ almost

daily. Top on bike ~153..In car~160... On snowmobile...117m.p.h. on

RADAR, and over 100- 100's of times. I've always been a speed addict.

With the exception of the snowmobile, for obvious reasons, all speeds

were on the street. :?


:lol: 

You guys are both nuts........really
I like to drive my motorcycle , but 150 MPH?!
Where? On a public road?
You people are what gives us normal bikers a bad name...
Not to mention the countless dipshits who end up rear-ending a car or a tree .....
I had 2 motorcycle accidents allready , and I was NOT speeding....nor was it my fault..... yet I wont run(only walk)for the rest of my life...
In my country (belgium) , its allready difficult enough to not get an accident ,driving normal.
When I hear you two talking, its all mouth , but i bet none of you have driven that speeds on public roads..
If so, I hope they revoke your licenses.
You are never ever safe on a bike , let alone speeding(i hear there are morons who like drive without a helmet in the US? )Must be Redneck inbreds.....
Even my driving instructor crashed on his 'blade , when he had avoid a car coming from opposite direction(car was overtaking another car), and that with over 25 years of exp.(I was there along with some other students at the time.
Anyway my Honda X11 wont do more then 245 KMH(dunno about that in MPH) ,
But the fastest i have driven is 200 KMH , and thats more then fast enough for a naked bike(on an empty highway mind you) , if i would do more , i have severe pain in my arms (dont have a screen or anything protecting me from air slamming on my body against that speeds)

Enough about bikes
About AMD , they will survive , they have before , and they will do again.....
I just dont know if my next CPU is a AMD or Intel , best bang for the buck will get my patronage...
For the record , i'm a fanboy , but a Honda fanboy , :D 
May 27, 2006 7:32:08 PM

This is how the computer industry works.

Intel will hold the lead for a year or so and then AMD will come back with something better, and then Intel will do the same after.

It’s a never ending cycle.
May 27, 2006 7:57:36 PM

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You are never ever safe on a bike , let alone speeding(i hear there are morons who like drive without a helmet in the US? )Must be Redneck inbreds.....
/quote]

hey thats what makes us the US.. redneck inbreds.
May 27, 2006 11:26:44 PM

Sorry but I didn't say I sped on the streets, I said that I don't if you READ IT AGAIN !!!!! I don't even have a street bike lol. too many idiots in cars out there.
I only race on the strip, my bike does 6.72 @ 207 MPH, not street worthy.
That was my beef before, no one can read !!!!!!
TRY AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!
May 28, 2006 12:50:36 AM

Quote:
I can personally guarantee you AMD will never, ever go totally out of business. Ever.


Yea that's what i thought when i bought my Voodoo card... ahh the days of glide and Wicked GL. D3D and Opengl got nothing on glide. 8)

Anyways, the moral of the story is, nothing lasts forever and one dumbass can bring down an entire company.

Ya well, this is a little different. There's been twice in the past when AMD was financially dead in the water. if not for some "private investors" they would not be here today. That same "private investor" will never let AMD die. Ever.
May 28, 2006 3:31:51 AM

Quote:
This is how the computer industry works.

Intel will hold the lead for a year or so and then AMD will come back with something better, and then Intel will do the same after.

It’s a never ending cycle.


That's a nice story but eventually, the cycle will be broken.
May 28, 2006 3:33:34 AM

Quote:
This is how the computer industry works.

Intel will hold the lead for a year or so and then AMD will come back with something better, and then Intel will do the same after.

It’s a never ending cycle.


That's a nice story but eventually, the cycle will be broken.

No the cycle is never broken, only the companies name might change.
May 28, 2006 4:06:20 AM

Quote:
This is how the computer industry works.

Intel will hold the lead for a year or so and then AMD will come back with something better, and then Intel will do the same after.

It’s a never ending cycle.


That's a nice story but eventually, the cycle will be broken.

No the cycle is never broken, only the companies name might change.

That's a different cycle and is exactly what I imply.
May 28, 2006 5:36:32 AM

Quote:
Sorry but I didn't say I sped on the streets, I said that I don't if you READ IT AGAIN !!!!! I don't even have a street bike lol. too many idiots in cars out there.
I only race on the strip, my bike does 6.72 @ 207 MPH, not street worthy.
That was my beef before, no one can read !!!!!!
TRY AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!


Nice....I'd love to try that out. Just be careful.

Remember Elmer Trett ? :cry: 
May 28, 2006 1:27:33 PM

I knew Elmer, John Meyers, David Schultz, miss them all. We were in ProStar from the beginning.
May 28, 2006 1:53:28 PM

Quote:
I only race on the strip, my bike does 6.72 @ 207 MPH, not street worthy.


That's incredible. I once had a 12.72 street car and have gotten a street bike through the quarter in 10.3 and an H/gas smallblock in 8.9, so I can appreciate 6.72. That's really fast on 2 wheels.
May 28, 2006 2:01:58 PM

AM2 is being used as the launch pad for both K8l's and 65nm Athlons; so you'll want to get it EVENTUALLY.
May 28, 2006 3:08:23 PM

So it would be a mature platform, the chipset will be out of the way and they can concentrate on making fast CPUs. Like I said before remember the Nforce-Nforce2 debacle ? I went VIA because Nforce had problems, then the Nforce 2 came out and was kicking ass and I was suck with the crap VIA Chipset board till I went and bought the 2. Didn't need the added expense.
Now look back recently to 754 to 939, that didn't take long, then it went to PCI Express, screwed everyone up. Do you really want to go through all of that again ?
May 28, 2006 4:36:37 PM

I can't believe how these "bone jarring benchmarks" have gotten everyone running scared.
AMD saw what Intel was doing wrong and made things better, right ?
Intel saw what AMD was doing, saw it was better than what they were doing and made changes. Changes NOT like what AMD was doing, but they found their own way.
Now AMD needs to make more inroads on performance, so they go to AM2 because it's interconnect is better for high frequency, they get the platform ready for new CPUs as a drop in, not like Intel, there are still some questions as to what will work with Conroe.
Since AMD is smaller it takes them a little longer to get things done, but they seem to get things done more efficiently.
Understand this, they aren't doing this to answer Conroe or because you're disappointed, they do it because it's their way, they aren't rushing anything out to answer Conroe, that would be stupid. Because if it didn't work right people would be all over their asses.
I wouldn't worry about it, things are going to work out with AMD (don't you know this is in the plan ?)
To even think that because of one CPU release that a company will collapse is insane, you have to pull an Enron to kill off AMD, I don't think the AMD Extremists would let that happen.
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