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May 27, 2006 11:22:51 AM

No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.
The price on the X6800 will be $999 in quantity. Right in line with the current high end processors available today.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/26/conroe_to_debut_on_23_july/
May 27, 2006 11:31:43 AM

That some new info. I hope it unture but we dont know.
May 27, 2006 11:33:41 AM

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No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.
The price on the X6800 will be $999 in quantity. Right in line with the current high end processors available today.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/26/conroe_to_debut_on_23_july/


All that shows is that the 3.33E Extreme Edition, is being kept in the back

room. Why come out with your top chip, when you don't even need it. The

real showstoppers are the lower-end parts, that are beating AMDs high-end

at some major price advantages. You'll have to try harder than that to

take some of the limelight away from Core Processors. :roll:
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May 27, 2006 11:39:05 AM

well said tanker
May 27, 2006 11:40:54 AM

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No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.


Not really. What they said was that it was going to scale much higher than

Northwood, which it did. What it didn't do was scale to 10 GHz like some

people thought. It was mostly a larger cache, SSE3, and a die shrink. Not

to mention longer pipeline, and enhanced prefetchers. They didn't keep the

pipeline increase a secret. Northwoods on LN2 are good for about 5 GHz.

Prescott on LN2 is good for 7.2-7.6GHz. So they were, in fact right. :) 


Do you get 9-INCH to dig up these articles for you. That way, you can

actually start discussing the article, before half the forum tells him to

turn off caps.
May 27, 2006 11:45:45 AM

Northwood was alot better then Prescott. It ran cooler and Faster. It took changing the die size to do any help. It was like the frist p4 was a joke agenst the p3. Untel P4 could you hyperthreading and so on and had a higher ghz chip.

Mybe some of you should read this website basicly it what tg was talking about. http://www.hkepc.com/
May 27, 2006 11:59:42 AM

Thank you Mike, now leave again.
May 27, 2006 12:03:10 PM

You need to consider that the chip they are testing are only a "demo". The final Core chips would be more stable and more overclockable. Even the $530 E6 can beat the $1k FX-60 and it has been proven many times in both real applications and benchmarks such as SuprePI and 3DMark. The Core are breaking records and taking new grounds, no one can deny that.
May 27, 2006 12:04:45 PM

Ycon quit acting like a child. Really this is good info for intel fanboy. Low end stuff comming out. You know not everyone has tons of money.
May 27, 2006 12:08:02 PM

Very ture on that Chuckshissle. I think this is a good thing for Intel to do. Release low end chips so people who dont have alot of money can buy something that will not make them go bankrupt.
May 27, 2006 12:17:45 PM

Read -> Think -> maybe Think again -> Post

simple, eh?
May 27, 2006 12:21:25 PM

here have a baby bottle that will cool you down.

Let see. You like to insult people. But you get upset when someone insults You. Oh well that how life is.

1 You can act like a ture Man or Woman. Read the info and do more research. Which I did and you did not.
or
2 You can act like a child and make Tomshardware forums a disgrase?

Fanboys are for children.
May 27, 2006 12:37:03 PM

I'll ignore that last comment from the peanut gallery.
I only insult the little kiddies like yourself that deserve to be insulted by their immature behavior and stupid posts.
Seconly I raised 4 little boys like yourself, so maturity is in the eye of the beholder. I could care less who insults me, your opinion is accepted just as well.

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Why come out with your top chip, when you don't even need it. The

real showstoppers are the lower-end parts, that are beating AMDs high-end


Haha. They get better and better. Would you care to elaborate on what chip Intel has that is beating AMD's high end? Right, none!
Thanks for our input oh ignorant one.
May 27, 2006 1:21:00 PM

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No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.
The price on the X6800 will be $999 in quantity. Right in line with the current high end processors available today.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/26/conroe_to_debut_on_23_july/


OK I give up....what the hell does your title "Conroes performance may not be as significant as expected" have to do with a roadmap???
May 27, 2006 1:24:55 PM

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I'll ignore that last comment from the peanut gallery.
I only insult the little kiddies like yourself that deserve to be insulted by their immature behavior and stupid posts.
Seconly I raised 4 little boys like yourself, so maturity is in the eye of the beholder. I could care less who insults me, your opinion is accepted just as well.

Why come out with your top chip, when you don't even need it. The

real showstoppers are the lower-end parts, that are beating AMDs high-end


Haha. They get better and better. Would you care to elaborate on what chip Intel has that is beating AMD's high end? Right, none!
Thanks for our input oh ignorant one.

The T2600 mobile chip...comes to mind. Clock for clock it beat the FX60, for shame......a mobile chip.
May 27, 2006 2:54:47 PM

Threads like this are just bait :)  anyway so Intel isnt releasing its top end chip on the 23rd. Hmmm well I guess people who wanted it will have to wait a bit longer :)  but thats ok most people where planning on buying the low to mid range parts anyway. The 1K$ parts are nice for PR but they dont sell alot of them anyway :) 
May 27, 2006 3:15:26 PM

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The T2600 mobile chip...comes to mind. Clock for clock it beat the FX60, for shame......a mobile chip.


lol



Well, keep in mind that Intel has been saying that the EE line of procs may not see the same 40% performance boost that the mid-stream will see. There's been no 'official' info about the EE lineup performance gain. So far, everything about Conroe has proven to be legit.

I am definately dissapointed that the new EE proc isn't going to be touting the 1333 FSB, though :(  There were rumors that they were having problems with the 1333 FSB on Conroe, but until now I dismissed them as such. I was considering getting an EE until I read this. If the E6700 can hit 3GHz+ OC on air-cooling, there's not much reason to invest in an EE unless you really want some hand-picked silicon.

I'm also dissapointed to see such a small difference between the mid-stream and the EE clock speeds. This means it's unlikely the mid-stream Core 2 Duo will clock more than 2.93 GHz iff the shelf :( 


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Haha. They get better and better. Would you care to elaborate on what chip Intel has that is beating AMD's high end? Right, none!
Thanks for our input oh ignorant one.


Actually, every conroe bench to-date has beaten the AMD lineup, FX-60 included (no real FX-62 vs. Conroe benches yet) . Don't forget that, not too long ago, AMD was the underdog.
May 27, 2006 3:25:42 PM

That info can't be right. we have 3.33 running under 90w full load and its not gonna be the EE? If it turns out to be true then it's the marketing g-men - not us.
May 27, 2006 4:11:16 PM

And If Conroe does. I'll be laughing at you!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
May 27, 2006 4:34:30 PM

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The T2600 mobile chip...comes to mind. Clock for clock it beat the FX60, for shame......a mobile chip.
I'm not saying Mike is right, but the T2600 does not have 64-bit support. :?
May 27, 2006 4:57:03 PM

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Actually, every conroe bench to-date has beaten the AMD lineup, FX-60 included (no real FX-62 vs. Conroe benches yet) . Don't forget that, not too long ago, AMD was the underdog.

Just FYI there has now been a real FX-62 vs. a stock 2.6GHz Conroe test here:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

And as expected, the Conroe wins in every real world test. Here are the results:

Hexus has gotten their hands on a 2.6GHz Conroe system and did some benchmarking against a real AMD-supplied 2.8GHz FX-62. I've quoted the real-world benchmarks below:
Benchmark/System: % Faster/slower than AMD Athlon 64 FX-62
Realstorm Raytracing 2004: 19.09 faster
DivX encode - multithreaded: 23.78 faster
WAV conversion multithreaded: 24.50 faster
CINEBENCH multi-CPU render: 15.77 faster
KribiBench v1.1 - Jetshadow model: 51.32 faster
Far Cry - 1024x768 - speed: 39.47 more
Quake 4 - 1600x1200 - 4x AA 16x AF: 3.67 more <-- graphics card limited
Splinter Cell: CT - 1600x1200 - 4x AA 8x AF: 0.88 more <-- graphics card limited
May 27, 2006 5:03:14 PM

#1
I personally don't care who comes out on top, I'm buying the better product, but I don't appreciate the, let's say "marketing schemes", that intel uses to get sales..
#2
I don't get how come almost no one takes this into consideration: AMD has an old cpu on a new platform for the benefit of the ddr2 memory only (read: OLD CPU / they just changed the platform), while conroe is a NEW cpu. Ofcourse it's gonna be faster, it has to be!
#3
Anyone who buys a product of one particular company in the cpu price range just because they like them better, not considering the performance facts are ignorant about tech, have more than enough money to spend or are idiots.

Anyone who says conroe's gonna suck or be slower than any amd cpu on the market right now is an idiot. That applies to anyone who thinks that AMD is not going to strike back too.

Everyone who says AMD's going out of buisness because of this is an idiot.

Anyone who thinks that each of the two companies are gonna stay on top forever just because they like them better is, well, confused about how things work in the technology industry and an idiot.
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May 27, 2006 5:06:59 PM

Why are people soooooooo amazed that a new CPU is beating an old one(K8 vs Core)
if u ask me it is long due for Intel. If they where any other company they would have lost much more business. After all the netburt architecture was crap(even more so a low speeds under 2.4)

Does it surprise anyone that they have adapted the best of the Pentium M and what they learned durring netburt(p4) to make this new CPU kick some ass?

when the K8's came out was this form nothing but a shit shoot then too?
Like..... K8 at 2 gigahertz “slaps” P4 @ 3.2? Intel's Going out!!! and the like... or are Intel fan boys just worse then AMD ones?

I cant wait for the PS3 and Wii to come out....lol.....this forum will be nothing but flames....
May 27, 2006 5:11:17 PM

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No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.
The price on the X6800 will be $999 in quantity. Right in line with the current high end processors available today.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/26/conroe_to_debut_on_23_july/


"We were told just after Christmas that it would be a 3.33/1333 part, and that story was corroborated by multiple sources.
The XEs they are showing to the press, however, are 2.97/1066 parts. What will they really be?

Short answer: 2.93. Longer answer: 2.93, because that was 'enough'."
- http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31995

Why release that much above the compition? They can store up the top bin and release when this happens.
May 27, 2006 5:20:10 PM

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No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.
The price on the X6800 will be $999 in quantity. Right in line with the current high end processors available today.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/26/conroe_to_debut_on_23_july/


Can you bold any part where is said that Conroe will not be fast as all the f*cking benchmarks are proving. WTF is your problem?
Are you lieing to us or you are lieing to your self?

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It appears that Intel will be introducing its new Desktop Core 2 Duo E6000 series earlier than previously expected. While industry sources hinted to a September launch date at the beginning of this year, slides obtained by enthusiast website HKEPC Hardware indicate that the desktop processor, formerly code-named Conroe, will make its debut on 23 July.

There are no changes to the lineup and pricing we reported earlier, the slides however do provide a sequence number for Intel's Core 2 Extreme for the very first time. The chip will carry the designation "X6800" and will be priced at $999. Surprisingly, the slide indicates a clock speed of only 2.93 GHz for the chip - in contrast to the 3.33 GHz that was previously rumored - and a 1066 MHz front side bus - instead of a 1333 MHz version that is supported by the processor's next generation chipset and also by the chip's sister model, the server processor "Woodcrest" (Xeon 5100 series).

As the slides appear to originate from Intel's regular vendor briefings, the information provided by HKEPC Hardware is credible - and would indicate that Intel's performance advantage over AMD - at least on the high end - may not be as significant as generally expected.


I really feel soory about you and your sufferings becouse of the Intel motherf*cker wipping the floor with your love.
May 27, 2006 5:28:58 PM

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Why are people soooooooo amazed that a new CPU is beating an old one(K8 vs Core)
if u ask me it is long due for Intel. If they where any other company they would have lost much more business. After all the netburt architecture was crap(even more so a low speeds under 2.4)

Does it surprise anyone that they have adapted the best of the Pentium M and what they learned durring netburt(p4) to make this new CPU kick some ass?

when the K8's came out was this form nothing but a **** shoot then too?
Like..... K8 at 2 gigahertz “slaps” P4 @ 3.2? Intel's Going out!!! and the like... or are Intel fan boys just worse then AMD ones?

I cant wait for the PS3 and Wii to come out....lol.....this forum will be nothing but flames....
I'm not amazed that a new CPU is beating an old one, but I'm also not going to be like MadModMike and act like it's impossible. Also take note, no one on tomshardware cares about the PS3 or the Nintendo Wii. :lol: 
May 27, 2006 5:30:23 PM

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Threads like this are just bait :)  anyway so Intel isnt releasing its top end chip on the 23rd. Hmmm well I guess people who wanted it will have to wait a bit longer :)  but thats ok most people where planning on buying the low to mid range parts anyway. The 1K$ parts are nice for PR but they dont sell alot of them anyway :) 


Threads like these are beyond bait -- it is baffling ;) 

3.33 GHz vs 2.93 GHz, when a 2.67 is likely to exceed an FX-62, and the performance gap isn't signifiant. Dailytech has a little bias in their choice of words perhaps.

Its ok we just wont take the bait :)  If I was Intel I wouldnt release the top end either... makes more sense to sell everyone lower end parts then sell them "upgrades" later on. From the buying perspective it kinda sucks as you know just when you get the fastest chip in the planet Intel is gonna make a faster one in a few months... but this mostly bothers the people who have to have the best system money can buy lol My guess is that this trend of something always faster every few months will be with us for another 20 years at least :) 
May 27, 2006 5:37:56 PM

I'm sure that news made you cream your AMD panties, huh?

Ever heard of sandbagging, wench????? :lol: 
May 27, 2006 5:47:20 PM

The topic of this thread is non-news. It interest those who only 1) have to get the best tech out ther or 2) Hate Intel and will gleefully pounce on any so called weakness (MrsD). The real news in this thread is that a stock 2.6 Conroe beat a 2.8 FX brand CPU by a healthy margin. Conroe is a shift to a whole new level in the processing world. I for one plan to nab the 2.4 Ghz, or 2.13 Ghz Conroe shortly after they come out.
May 27, 2006 6:14:46 PM

In reply to nukemaster and hes quote of "Why are people soooooooo amazed that a new CPU is beating an old one"

Well, it was the same situation when K8 @ 2ghz was beating the 3.2ghz chips...it was new vs old so.....people should have not have been surprised then either...but they were, and it isnt going to chane!

All I know is that in all real benchmarks at stock speeds from two indentical computers other than processor that I own'd. My 2.8ghz intel beat my Athlon XP 2800+. which were the two generations competing with each other!

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May 27, 2006 6:37:05 PM

Ok, the Conroe EE will not be clocked as high as previous assumed or stated. Not much of a big deal since not many people will want to pay $1000+ for a CPU. I certainly want to be the best Conroe available (after seeing some real benchmarks), but I'm not going to spend that much just for a CPU.
May 27, 2006 8:38:19 PM

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Actually, every conroe bench to-date has beaten the AMD lineup, FX-60 included (no real FX-62 vs. Conroe benches yet) . Don't forget that, not too long ago, AMD was the underdog.


Your talking about benchmarks from something thats and engineering sample and hasnt even been released yet.
You cant say something from the future has beaten anything, cause its not even been released yet. IM TALKING ABOUT PRODUCTS THAT YOU CAN GO BUY OFF THE SHELF RIGHT NOW. Geeeesh, some people just dont get it. :roll:

If you care, Im writing this from an INTEL machine!!
May 27, 2006 8:41:53 PM

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No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.
The price on the X6800 will be $999 in quantity. Right in line with the current high end processors available today.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/26/conroe_to_debut_on_23_july/


OK I give up....what the hell does your title "Conroes performance may not be as significant as expected" have to do with a roadmap???

A roadmap?? huh? The title came directly from the article. lol.
Did you even read the article?? Apparently not. Geeesh. :roll:
May 27, 2006 9:03:23 PM

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I'll ignore that last comment from the peanut gallery.
I only insult the little kiddies like yourself that deserve to be insulted by their immature behavior and stupid posts.
Seconly I raised 4 little boys like yourself, so maturity is in the eye of the beholder. I could care less who insults me, your opinion is accepted just as well.


SO the guys arguing over Intel vs. AMD are little immature kiddies and your the mature middle aged person who's raised four children who's arguing with these immature kids. Geez, sometimes I feel old here and I'm in my mid-twenties. It seems to me that you do care very much about the opinions of the very people your dismissing.

Personally, I found nothing negative in this article except that the extreme's aren't going to be clocked as high on release.
May 27, 2006 9:23:46 PM

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intel has done a good job of catching up and surpassing amd,the t2600 benches are pretty cool,its not even 64bit.
Is that suppose to be positive? In 64-bit AMD generally outperforms Intel, and so far Intel has not announced any changes in EM64T.
May 27, 2006 9:38:13 PM

Good topic LMM.
May 27, 2006 9:45:26 PM

You're misunderstanding me, I own mostly Intel processors. I'm stating a fact that Intel's EM64T has not performed as well as x86-64 in the past.
May 27, 2006 9:48:25 PM

In the woodcrest benchmarks it performed better in 64bit mode.
May 27, 2006 10:00:34 PM

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No surprise there. Especially considering how they pimped prescott as the greatest next gen processer ever.
The price on the X6800 will be $999 in quantity. Right in line with the current high end processors available today.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/26/conroe_to_debut_on_23_july/


OK I give up....what the hell does your title "Conroes performance may not be as significant as expected" have to do with a roadmap???

A roadmap?? huh? The title came directly from the article. lol.
Did you even read the article?? Apparently not. Geeesh. :roll:

Well I expected to see some numbers supporting your title, but all I got was chip release info with prices and dates. IIRC this is the first time intel has even mention a Core2 EE, the 3.33ghz was all speculation from websites.
May 27, 2006 10:38:32 PM

9-inch, MrsD, and a few others remind me of a former press secretary under Saddam's regime, who despite the overwhelming evidence that they were being steamrollered denied that the Americans were even in Iraq all the way to his bitter end. For whatever credibility you have left I implore you to recognize he overwhelming amount of data that has been presented before you. Don't end up like Saddam's former press secretary.
May 27, 2006 10:38:37 PM

How about the new P3 beating the old P4 at same speed? I stop belive in Intel`s line of CPU then...
Everyone say about Conroe like something super extra... and again same things have been said when AMD FX-57 was released.
I don`t care who have the latest or the greatest cpu... I had Intel as well as AMD CPU and they perform great, but it is price/performance that i seek now!
I don`t belive that more than 5% of readers in this forum can afford (and will buy) the Conroe in the next months - before AMD will came out with their new CPU.
How many knows that the actual draw-back is the software itself? The current OS can`t handle the power of the new CPU`s (and don`t came to me with micro$oft`s VISTA... the only thing that it does better is hoging more resources!)
These INTEL/AMD and NVIDIA/ATI battles will never end. And always will be someone to say that one or another "rules". Only one good thing: there is an open competition between them and from that competition benefit the final users (like you and me)! That means more performance for less money.

PS: Check out http://valid.x86-secret.com/stats.php
May 27, 2006 10:43:12 PM

:lol:  Best comparison ever.
May 27, 2006 11:00:37 PM

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9-inch, MrsD, and a few others remind me of a former press secretary under Saddam's regime, who despite the overwhelming evidence that they were being steamrollered denied that the Americans were even in Iraq all the way to his bitter end. For whatever credibility you have left I implore you to recognize he overwhelming amount of data that has been presented before you. Don't end up like Saddam's former press secretary.


Americans should never have gone to Iraq in the first place. So the comparison is completely disgusting to all the people who have the basic thinking/reasoning abilities. You could have also compared them to American people who still haven't realized that 9/11 as well as Katrina victims are their own government fault.

I am just looking at all of you -- how smart you sound with your "I am only seeking for best price/performance" mantras like if you really need to justify your buying decisions to anyone. Let me tell you something -- I ALWAYS BOUGHT INTEL PRODUCTS BECAUSE I LIKED THEM.

To the original poster -- Conroe will crap AM2 pants, just you wait for 23rd. In the meantime, you can compare 3.5GHz AM2 O/C (and that is the maximum because they still have that cold bug), with 4.7GHz Conroe O/C (both cores working) on xtremesystems.com.
May 28, 2006 12:01:28 AM

I have both Intel and AMD... I buy the most system for the money.... lets hope they both keep going.. and going.. and going...
May 28, 2006 12:46:19 AM

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Americans should never have gone to Iraq in the first place. So the comparison is completely disgusting to all the people who have the basic thinking/reasoning abilities. You could have also compared them to American people who still haven't realized that 9/11 as well as Katrina victims are their own government fault.

America is killing people all the time around the world, the 9/11 are very small portion in the total number.

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I am just looking at all of you -- how smart you sound with your "I am only seeking for best price/performance" mantras like if you really need to justify your buying decisions to anyone. Let me tell you something -- I ALWAYS BOUGHT INTEL PRODUCTS BECAUSE I LIKED THEM.

There are people who are not experts but they know that they need a computer, but they don't know what kind is good and enough for their purposes. They are not stupid, they can be IT uneducated or they are not folowing the IT news and inovations. But there are stupid people who are buying brands, not products. That category is the most liked for all consumer segments. Marketing sometimes is magic.


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To the original poster -- Conroe will crap AM2 pants, just you wait for 23rd. In the meantime, you can compare 3.5GHz AM2 O/C (and that is the maximum because they still have that cold bug), with 4.7GHz Conroe O/C (both cores working) on xtremesystems.com.

Meanwhile AMD are better, like they were in the past few years. You see, Intel can't be the best forever, and the same is about AMD. Nobody and nothing is perfect, no computer, no processor, no architecture.
May 28, 2006 1:37:56 AM

Lol, couldn't resist.

May 28, 2006 1:52:58 AM

So basically what you're saying is that the guys at intel had a chat,
and said hey! our new architecture pwns AMD!
We don't even have to release a 3.33 EE because our value processor takes on a 1000 dollar FX 62 in performance.

Now tell me this... how is this a bad thing?
As much as i would like to see intel take a 50% lead, we'll probably be able to o/c our conroes that far anyway.

Sounds to me like you're in denial.


Great reference to the press secretary! That guy should become a professional comedian.
May 28, 2006 2:06:15 AM

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So basically what you're saying is that the guys at intel had a chat,
and said hey! our new architecture pwns AMD!
We don't even have to release a 3.33 EE because our value processor takes on a 1000 dollar FX 62 in performance.

Now tell me this... how is this a bad thing?
As much as i would like to see intel take a 50% lead, we'll probably be able to o/c our conroes that far anyway.

Sounds to me like you're in denial.


Great reference to the press secretary! That guy should become a professional comedian.


Yup just like that, it is a business after all and everyone knows that you will have higher die yields the lower you set your number. i.e. out of 100 die you may get 20 that will be binned as EE, since those 20 chips can operate at the 3.33ghz, but if you drop the EE standard down to 2.93ghz well now you can probably get 30 and so on and so on. It's no secret that you pay a premium for EE parts because they are the pick of the litter.
May 28, 2006 2:39:29 AM

:lol: 

As to the rest of the Anti-American rhetoric, it's all because you're jealous of the U.S.
May 28, 2006 2:55:34 AM

Once again I love being Canadian. We get to have the same basic culture and lifestyle with none of the haters :lol: 
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