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Hi been a very long time since my last post.....But.

A freind of mine has an PROTEVA pc with Windows '98 mabe 98SE.
The PC will not boot. I removed the covers to find that the CPU fan attempts to turn "On" (Makes like a partial revolution) No LEDs lite on the front panel infact nothing at all happens. I went to best buy and bought a power supply. It was marked ATX2.0 so I figured that would work. However after getting into the machine the power connector for the mother board had a 20 pin connector not the 24 as was on the new power supply.

I checked the pin connectors for the power output of the supply but only had 2 5vdc outputs. Not being all that familliar with that machine I was not sure how the PSU and Motherbaord interreact with one another.
Game plan today is to return new supply and attempt to find one with a 20 pin mother board connector.

Maybe the power supply is not even the problem.

all he really wants is E-mail access and some web surfing.

any help much appreciated.


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You can buy a 20-24 pin adapter for a few bucks. As for the boot issue, I'd start by making sure memory, processor, etc. are all well seated on the motherboard. Has your friend upgraded any components recently? How did the problem start?

Reply to Detson

Machine has not been started in 3 years. This is the first attempt in that lenght of time. I have just disconnected everything from the Mother Board, I'll attempt to reconnect and see what happens. Also will remove and reinstall RAM. The board does not appear to be that dirty,dusty.

Kids had been using the machine prior to this so there is no telling what they might have done.

Thanks for the reply

Reply to 2fast

The machine has not started in three years? Possible that corrosion has occured in the electrical components. The CPU fan sounds like the center bearing has gummed up. It might start to work if you spin it by hand a bit, but it could well need to be replaced. You can get adapters for the 24 pin/20 pin connector, as Detson wrote, but sometimes the 24 pin connectors are made so that they can be attached with the extra four pins just hanging in the air, or even can be broken off the connector.

Some of those old motherboards had strange circuits built in, integrated wiring and all, so they may not be compatible with anything exept what the factory installed. That might explain why it doesn't match the power outlets of the new power supply. Don't know for sure. As to using a Windows 98 machine, its getting more and more difficult. Probably not be long until none of the browsers will install, same as anyone trying to use an old Win 2.1 system. Even if you get the computer physically working, it might not be usable in the rest of the world.

Reply to Sailer

Well just replaced the supply with a Mad Dog 350W. Machine booted operating system seemed to be Linux. Get several error messages for Linux.
I then tried installing a Floppy disk to boot from this resulted in the machine dying again alltogether.

Not really sure what to heck to think at this point can not seem to get it to even turn "On" now.

Going to let the unit sit for while and see if I can't get reboot again. I can't possibly imagine how a floppy drive could kill a Brand new supply.
I would think the supply would have some sort of Overload protection features although I do not see where it indicates that.

Reply to 2fast

Linux? I thought this was a Win 98 OS. The only way a floppy drive would kill the PSU would be if it had a short. Maybe the reason the machine hasn't been used in three years is that someone tried to install Linux, but failed to complete the installation, perhaps because of incompatible parts. That could well explain why the machine won't boot up. Now all you can get are error messages. You might try to reinstall the win 98 OS and see what happens then. Used to be that some power supplies included fuses or circuit breakers, but I don't know of any that do now.

Reply to Sailer

LOL yea thats what we thought. As I said earlier some younger guys had been fooling around with the machine. Obvisiously in a big way if they installed Linux. I was looking for some sort of master reboot switch for the power supply but can't seem to find anything. I can't imagine why a manufacturer would not provide some sort of Overload protection.

Reply to 2fast

There is a green wire on the 20 ATX connector, if you remove the 20 pin ATX connector from the MB & jumper it to a black wire the PSU should start.
I have seen several cases of this green wire coming loose in the 20 pin ATX connector & you have to widen the retention clip/s on the wire & re insert it into the 20 pin connector.
Anytime the 20 pin ATX connector is removed & replaced this possibility exists,,,,, specially if you notice you have some difficulty reinserting it on the MB.

This might just be another case of the green wire coming loose in the connector.

Reply to allhell

Well that didn't the trick either allhell.

Think will just chauk this babby up as a complete loss.

Reply to 2fast

Did you try starting the psu with a jumper between thr green & a black wire?
If it starts at least that will rule out the PSU to some extent..

Reply to allhell

That did the trick, However the power supply still will not run while connected to the PCB board. It does power up when the Green wire is shorted though.

I thought about shorting this while connected to board...Bad Idea???
Any thoughts???

Reply to 2fast

Your power switch does the same thing but if you should it for more than 4 seconds it will usually shut down so its no problem.
That said I have only seen 1 PSU that would power up that way but still would not power the MB. If you have another try swapping it to see what happens. .... or put that psu in a similar pc & see what happens.

Reply to allhell

Thanks for the info allhell. I don't have another machine to try it on so that is out of the question.

I just may try the old power supply that was in it originally and short those wires to see what happens.

Thanks again for the assistance.

Reply to 2fast

What are the full specs?

It sounds like the motherboard or CPU may be toast.

If you can ship it to me I can fix it.

Reply to linux_0

Quote :


If you can ship it to me I can fix it.




lol linux, i dont think anyone would, lol funny thought if u kno whereim heading.


awww i should try that with a noob on the CPU forums

"so, ur FX-60 isnt working right you say? u only get 20 frames with ur 7600GT? here send me ur FX-60 i'll fix it. :) "


lol just kidding, linux is really helpful, and anyways if ur parts dont work whats the diff

Reply to pengwin

Quote :


If you can ship it to me I can fix it.




lol linux, i dont think anyone would, lol funny thought if u kno whereim heading.


awww i should try that with a noob on the CPU forums

"so, ur FX-60 isnt working right you say? u only get 20 frames with ur 7600GT? here send me ur FX-60 i'll fix it. :) "


lol just kidding, linux is really helpful, and anyways if ur parts dont work whats the diff


lol :-D

It's a broken obsolete system which has a market value of - $xxx so I guess it doesn't matter.

An FX-60 on the other hand is worth $1k

Thanks for the vote of confidence :-D

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