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Best AGP card for FPS gaming around $200?

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May 28, 2006 9:24:37 PM

Hello, I know this probably asked billions of times but I'd like someone to help my situation specifically. I *LOVE* to play online FPS PC games. Until recently I was still playing the old CS 1.6, now I realize if I want to be able to compete in new games with real graphics I need to upgrade.

I currently have an AGP 8x 9800Pro 128mb card, and it really struggles to run F.E.A.R. | HL2 | CS:S | BF2

What AGP card could I purchase for *around* $200 bucks that would run these games with good graphics not turned down so far that everything looks like the old Duke Nukem from 1995? :cry: 

I know $200 isnt much for an upgrade but it's all I can spare and I need something new ASAP so I can get back to my addiction.

Here's some PC specs if they are needed:

P4 3.4GHZ
1gb DDR4 3200
160GB 7200k Sata HD
ASRock PV4M800 Mobo
May 28, 2006 9:30:26 PM

ATI x850xt.AGP.
May 28, 2006 9:59:25 PM

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ATI x850xt.AGP.


Find one for $200.

Newegg's price is $239.99, after shipping, you're looking at close to $250 bucks.
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May 28, 2006 10:06:39 PM

With a budget like yours on AGP, there is nothing you can get that is better than your current card.
May 28, 2006 10:10:10 PM

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With a budget like yours on AGP, there is nothing you can get that is better than your current card.

I'm not the one looking for a card, why dont you learn how to use/understand the fukcing forums :roll:
May 28, 2006 10:24:13 PM

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With a budget like yours on AGP, there is nothing you can get that is better than your current card.

Really? You get lots of knowledge from your outdated brain.

He can get a X800XL (can find one), 6800GS, X800GTO. All those can kill a 9800Pro.
May 28, 2006 11:12:19 PM

well the 6800gs should do the job but i dont know for sure also the 850gto is the best choice and im a personal fan of it and i had the cash i would get it too, it out does th 6800gs but! im not sure about the exact price Also what is your fps with CS:S right now?
May 28, 2006 11:45:29 PM

I get anywhere from 15FPS to about 45FPS on 1024/768 and turning down all the details etc. Have a few spots in maps (very few) where the FPS jumps to 120+ if I'm standing still and no one around. In heavy fire fights on 32slot + servers my FPS drop below 20FPS everytime. Helps very very little to drop down to 800x600, something that bothers my eyes.

FEAR and BF2 are nearly impossible to play, so choppy no matter what version direct x/video settings/drivers I select the card just cant run them.

I'll look into the x800xl and x850xt's. If I can get good deal on the 850 I'll see if I can borrow some money from my buddy to nab one and pay him back later.

Thanks for the info! If anyone finds a good deal on either of those cards or a better one or has some suggestions let me know! I plan ordering by tomorrow night for sure so I can get it by next weekend for a lan party.
a b U Graphics card
May 29, 2006 12:21:34 AM

Not adding any new info here, but there is currently very little worth buying for $200 in AGP. X800GTO and 6800GS are close to equal, but overpriced at anything over $150. The GTO is close to that but the 6800GS is usually way more and honestly way to slow for $200. X800XL and X850 pro are your best bet, a 6800GT would be about equal, but good luck finding one at a $200 price. Stepping up would be an AIW X800XT, but they are now not priced very well now getting into 7800GS territory. X850XT and GF7800GS trade blows, but the 7800GS is an SM3.0 card and a decent overclocker. If you are spending $250 for a X850XT, my feeling is grab a 7800GS instead. I'd only buy the X850XT if it were say $40 cheaper than the 7800GS, or if the 7800GS is for sure beyond the money you can scrape together. Don't get me wrong, X850XT is a very good AGP card, I just think the 7800GS is the better card and worth more money.

Best AGP card I can find for even close to $200 is an open box AIW X800XT for $218 plus shipping. Just not sure if you still get the remote control and VIVO breakout boxes or not (they aren't in the pics, so I doubt you get them) Even without them, it's faster than X850 pro and X800XL, you'll get a tv tuner on it, and it's priced a little cheaper from what I can find. I have this card in my video editing rig; it's a decent gamer very close in performance to a 6800U even.

open box AIW X800XT:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

sealed retail box to see what accessories you probably won't get.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

even better gaming card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
May 29, 2006 1:00:37 AM

Okay, thanks for the detailed write-up!! You went well out of your way to help me and I appreciate it. My buddy lended me $100 (rich parents lucky dude) and I just ordered a 7800GS for $249.99 with free shipping in retail still sealed.

I think I did good!! After my classes are up I'm going to consider that Thermaltake VC cooler and their $100 CPU cooling kit when I get my summer job started :o 

Thanks again guys! I'll post back with some 3dmark scores and a big grin I'm sure hehe.
May 29, 2006 2:54:33 PM

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ATI x850xt.AGP.


Find one for $200.

Newegg's price is $239.99, after shipping, you're looking at close to $250 bucks.I did, several months ago.Was even less then $200 after rebate. :lol: 
May 29, 2006 3:00:34 PM

My two cents:

If I had to buy a sub-$200 card for AGP right now, I don't think you could do much better than a used X800 XL.

You can find them on ebay for $150-ish.

6800 GTs are great too, but they seem to still be hovering in the $200 range (used!).
May 29, 2006 3:09:37 PM

yeah i would say the 6800 gt. I got one of of ebay for $200. Just try to get one that hasnt been overclocked and has the box it came in when that person purchased it so if you need to send it in for RMA you can. i got a BFG 6800 gt from ebay that still had the box and was only owned by the previous purchaser for 3 months and was untampered with, and non overclocked. So now, i have a basically new 6800 gt, with the original box it came in with the profe of purchase on the box so if need to i can send it in for a replacment if for some reason i start to have problems with it. Another great thing about the 6800 gt, BFG version is that it has a LIFE TIME waranty. NOw how cool is that.
May 29, 2006 3:31:55 PM

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My buddy lended me $100 (rich parents lucky dude) and I just ordered a 7800GS for $249.99 with free shipping in retail still sealed.
Lucky you; enjoy the card. I wish someone would give me some $$$ to buy a video card. Unfortunately, nobody will, so I'm stuck babysitting and mowing the fukcing lawn :evil: 
May 29, 2006 4:10:01 PM

A 12-pipe 6800?

Alright if you have to buy new, but a used X800 XL would eat it alive for the same price.
May 29, 2006 5:12:58 PM

My XFX 6800 GT is like that, in the box, all original, cd in wrapper, ect. Have pics too, $150.
Love that card.
May 29, 2006 5:45:54 PM

Well the EVGA 7800GS CO I bought should be perfect for what I need right now. Sure is nice to have good friends who can help you out when you need the cash. Can't wait to get it installed after it's delivered and test out those games that have kicked my 9800pro in the butt the last few weeks. Was a good VC for it's time and lasted me for quite a while so I shouldn't complain I guess.
a b U Graphics card
May 29, 2006 6:32:33 PM

Stock speeds X850XT and 7800GS are close in performance with features giving the victory to the 7800GS IMO. Overclocked the 7800GS wins though. The OP bought a 7800GS new for $250...hard to beat that now for a new AGP card.

3dmarks mean little, but paired with an A64 you could hit 8K in 3DMark05 with a 7800GS without going to extreme cooling solutions. GeneticWeapon here on these forums is getting almost 8K out of his and he has an oc'ed A64 3000+/7800GS system. AT 2.6GHz like your's he would be hitting 8K.
May 29, 2006 6:33:55 PM

You did a good thing with the 7800GS it's the best card out there(for AGP)and you can keep on going for a bit longer before going to pci-e
May 29, 2006 6:43:53 PM

Cool, from the little time I've researched the 2 cards I already see the benefit from the 3.0 shader vs. the 2.0

These new cards use the pixel shaders to bring out all the surface details and use it for processing all of that detail. Something that I'd really like to see in my games all that fog/facial expressions and small detailed movements like in Oblivion. I've yet to experience that and I think this card vs the 850 will do that a lot better.

I am glad I asked on here, I nearly bought an x1600! You guys have so much experience I'm glad I'm able to pick your brains hehe :) 
May 29, 2006 6:46:51 PM

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sorry but that 6800gs or whatever it is has only a 350core clock and isnt much faster if at all then 9800 pro....well it might beat the 9800pro in OGL games thats about it


A 6800 GS will beat a 9800 PRO in pretty much everything.

The clocks might be similar, but the GS is a 12-pipeline part and the 9800 is an 8-pipeline part. The 6800 GS memory will also be faster.

Also of note, AGP 6800 GS' have a chance of being pipe-unlockable to 16-pipeline (6800 GT specs).
a b U Graphics card
May 29, 2006 7:02:48 PM

Oh my, you are far better off with a 7800GS over a X1600 pro for newer games.

It's not until the 7600GT and 7800GS that I give much of a bonus for having SM3.0. The GF6 series cards are just too weak IMO to make a big stink of it. The thing with Oblivion is, it hammers pretty much any single card. The ATI's do better than NV's. But, a 7800GS will let you play at 1024x768 medium details with HDR lighting(which looks great on Oblivion).

The X850XT actually easily outperforms the 7800GS in oblivion when playing with bloom lighting effects. So if using FSAA and bloom the X850XT is the better card. BUT, the X850XT can't do OpenEXR HDR like is used in Oblivion and Farcry, so if powerful enough to run HDR, it's a nice option to have. Overall it's a toss up for Oblivion; comes down to personal preference. The X850XT could handle higher detials and FSAA(to smooth out the jaggies) with bloom lighting effects, while the 7800GS can run the much better looking HDR Lighting, minus FSAA and a maybe grass distance turned down a bit. I think you'll be very happy with your new card as long as you realize just how demanding Oblivion (as well as COD2 & Fear) are for the graphics card.
May 29, 2006 7:03:18 PM

You should be fine with that card, just don't get caught up in benchmark stuff. The true test is in the card playing the games you want at the settings you want. Use benchmark programs for testing overclocks, nothing worse than finding out your settings don't work just before you're going to take someone out.
May 29, 2006 8:04:02 PM

Well Oblivion to me isn't a big deal, it takes up maybe 2% of my gaming time a week when I take a break from other games. It's the FPS games I play 98% of the time and are most important to me.. the way they react/look and how smooth they are is my biggest need.

Believe it or not my 9800pro seems to be running oblvion pretty well, so I'm sure I'll be surprised when I get the 7800 installed.

I also just got a copy of Oblivion for my Xbox360 for my birthday so I won't be playing my bootlegged PC version anymore I don't think.. so much more fun on the big screen HDTV hehe.
May 29, 2006 11:36:41 PM

FPS, EA Nascar Sim Racing, no Oblivion at all, not into it. This Summer NHRA Drag Racing with online, that's where I'll be going.
Hopefully I can make up my mind what to build in time for UT2007. I mean get all the new releases out so I can choose.
May 29, 2006 11:56:00 PM

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Stock speeds X850XT and 7800GS are close in performance with features giving the victory to the 7800GS IMO. Overclocked the 7800GS wins though. The OP bought a 7800GS new for $250...hard to beat that now for a new AGP card.

3dmarks mean little, but paired with an A64 you could hit 8K in 3DMark05 with a 7800GS without going to extreme cooling solutions. GeneticWeapon here on these forums is getting almost 8K out of his and he has an oc'ed A64 3000+/7800GS system. AT 2.6GHz like your's he would be hitting 8K.

GeneticWeapon has a link to his 3DMark05 score in his signature that says 7,300-something.
May 30, 2006 1:10:37 AM

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With a budget like yours on AGP, there is nothing you can get that is better than your current card.

Congrats! You won the nobel prize for the worst post of the year!
a b U Graphics card
May 30, 2006 2:44:17 AM

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GeneticWeapon has a link to his 3DMark05 score in his signature that says 7,300-something.
My bad for not double checking, must be thinking of the last 3 digits in one of my scores, thought he was 7800's. Anyway, my point was 3dmark05 still means little compared to real games and even if you want to look at that test, the 7800GS is keeping up with the X8xx cards. Who knows, I think X850XTpe record is between 9K and 10K, I couldn't tell you if a 7800GS has gone beyond that or not. Probably not as those extreme OC'ers are only messing with the top cards no going back trying to beat old records. I never hit 6K with my 6800U, but I wouldn't have traded it for a 6500 scoring X800GTO. It's still about which offers the better gaming experience in the games that matter to the buyer.
May 30, 2006 3:34:15 AM

What about the Gainwood 7800GS+ AGP 24 pipeline card in comparison?
a b U Graphics card
May 30, 2006 3:45:14 AM

What about it? I really don't consider it a 7800GS nor a reasonable option for over $500 shipped to the USA(or even for those in the UK for more than a X1800XT/7900GT and a new mobo). If it's priced near a PCI-e 7900GT for them, sure...grab the AGP one.

But anyway, it would obviously kick a X850XTpe's tail in just about anything as it's a 7900GT/X1800XT caliber card. As far as bunghilio's, No doubt that card in a mildly overclocked A64 system would beat the X850XTpe 3dmark05 record. I haven't pushed GPU voltages nor overclcocked my CPU and I get 9766 with my 256MB X1800XT.
May 30, 2006 4:00:31 AM

Thanks, I've been considering it becuase they arn't much more in price than the 7900GT's here.

Definitely can't buy a PCI mobo & the same caliber of card here.
a b U Graphics card
May 30, 2006 4:11:41 AM

Good for you. If your system is up to par and it's priced like that, go for it. It's far better than any AGP card sold in stores in North America. It's basically what we all wanted and felt ripped off about when the 7800GS came out. And now that 7900GT version is even better than the original 7800GT based one. I can't see how you could be dissapointed in that card, again assuming you have a decent system that won't bottleneck it (basically any A64 or high end P4)
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