Who uses Laridian Pocket Bible?

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John wrote:
> What are your views? Is this good software?
>
> John
>
>
>
I use Laridian, and think its great. The basic Pocket Bible program is
good, I especially like the search features (enter a term, it brings up
every occurrence). With a little practice, you can get to a verse
quicker in the software than you can in a printed Bible. With the
various bibles and reference/devotional works that are offered, you can
customize quite a bit. Personally, I would need a large book bag to
carry around 3 bibles, an exhaustive concordance, a commentary, and a
large pack of scripture memory cards.... but these all fit into my pocket!

You can link to several reviews from the Laridian website -- check them
out. OliveTree and E-Sword also receive favorable comments, but I don't
have personal experience with them.

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Do you carry around your PDA over your regular bible? Dont you feel
unique, being the only person or a 1 out of 1000 ratio that uses a PDA
over a regular bible? Does your PDA use CF flash and is this where you
store all your stuff? I cant imagine storing all those books into main
memory.

I use Laridian Bible as well as Palm Bible. I'm always the only person
using such software.


John


In article <eQxeMWnyEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
Don Pritchett <dpritchett67@hotmail.com> wrote:

> John wrote:
> > What are your views? Is this good software?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> I use Laridian, and think its great. The basic Pocket Bible program is
> good, I especially like the search features (enter a term, it brings up
> every occurrence). With a little practice, you can get to a verse
> quicker in the software than you can in a printed Bible. With the
> various bibles and reference/devotional works that are offered, you can
> customize quite a bit. Personally, I would need a large book bag to
> carry around 3 bibles, an exhaustive concordance, a commentary, and a
> large pack of scripture memory cards.... but these all fit into my pocket!
>
> You can link to several reviews from the Laridian website -- check them
> out. OliveTree and E-Sword also receive favorable comments, but I don't
> have personal experience with them.

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I use both OliveTree and Laridian.

Speed:
Laridian is painfully slow on versions with lots of notes (such as ESV).
Olivetree is amazingly fast.

Text Formatting
Laridian is using html formatting under the hood and does a good job
preserving the original formatting of poetry and the like. Olivetree
doesn't even try to preserve the formating. All the text is just
ran together in 10 verse "paragraphs". It is possible to embed
a break in a line, and Tanakh attempts to use this for lines of
poetry, but without indenting and proper wrapping, it is really
ugly.

Versions available
Both have most of the popular versions available. The notable
exceptions are Olivetree does not have NIV (but it is promised
next spring), and Laridian does not have NET (and given how
slow it is with lots of nots, it probably wouldn't be practical
anyway). Also Olivetree's NRSV does not have the notes.

Smartphone
Olivetree has a MS smartphone version that uses the same
Bible files.

VGA support
Neither supports VGA at the moment, although they are mostly
usable with Tweaks2k2's VGA hack. I have tested a prebeta
VGA suppport of Olivetree that was almost there, so I expect
them to have real VGA support real soon now.

Memory usage:
Olivetree is a bit of a memory hog compared to Laridian.
It occupies about 7 MB while running; Laridan
will consume only about 2 MB.

Updates:
Olivetree has frequent beta releases of new features and
fixes (averaging maybe 2-3 per month). Laridian only rarely
releases updates.
--
><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
"The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright

"Don Pritchett" <dpritchett67@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eQxeMWnyEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> John wrote:
> > What are your views? Is this good software?
> >
> > John
> >
>

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In article <e6kF9qyyEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
"Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote:

> I use both OliveTree and Laridian.
>
> Speed:
> Laridian is painfully slow on versions with lots of notes (such as ESV).
> Olivetree is amazingly fast.
>
> Text Formatting
> Laridian is using html formatting under the hood and does a good job
> preserving the original formatting of poetry and the like. Olivetree
> doesn't even try to preserve the formating. All the text is just
> ran together in 10 verse "paragraphs". It is possible to embed
> a break in a line, and Tanakh attempts to use this for lines of
> poetry, but without indenting and proper wrapping, it is really
> ugly.


Well the fact that Laridian uses HTML formatting and Olive Tree Tree doe
snot will explain why laridian is so much slower.


John
--
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www.yellowgames.com - A Windows/PocketPC/Windows CE Stratego clone

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Let's see:

1) For church, I carry a regular bible. But I have my PDA with me at
work, and when I travel, its really convenient versus carrying a book.

2) my Dell uses a SD card, and that's where I store the books; if you
were going much above say one bible, you would need the extra storage.

3) I use the ESV as my main translation, and it is slower than the NASB
or NIV, because of the extensive notes. I wouldn't describe the
difference as painful though -- maybe just as noticeable.


John wrote:
> Do you carry around your PDA over your regular bible? Dont you feel
> unique, being the only person or a 1 out of 1000 ratio that uses a PDA
> over a regular bible? Does your PDA use CF flash and is this where you
> store all your stuff? I cant imagine storing all those books into main
> memory.
>
> I use Laridian Bible as well as Palm Bible. I'm always the only person
> using such software.
>
> John

>>good,

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I am using Pocket e-Sword with different language bibles...


"Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote in message
news:e6kF9qyyEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I use both OliveTree and Laridian.
>
> Speed:
> Laridian is painfully slow on versions with lots of notes (such as ESV).
> Olivetree is amazingly fast.
>
> Text Formatting
> Laridian is using html formatting under the hood and does a good job
> preserving the original formatting of poetry and the like. Olivetree
> doesn't even try to preserve the formating. All the text is just
> ran together in 10 verse "paragraphs". It is possible to embed
> a break in a line, and Tanakh attempts to use this for lines of
> poetry, but without indenting and proper wrapping, it is really
> ugly.
>
> Versions available
> Both have most of the popular versions available. The notable
> exceptions are Olivetree does not have NIV (but it is promised
> next spring), and Laridian does not have NET (and given how
> slow it is with lots of nots, it probably wouldn't be practical
> anyway). Also Olivetree's NRSV does not have the notes.
>
> Smartphone
> Olivetree has a MS smartphone version that uses the same
> Bible files.
>
> VGA support
> Neither supports VGA at the moment, although they are mostly
> usable with Tweaks2k2's VGA hack. I have tested a prebeta
> VGA suppport of Olivetree that was almost there, so I expect
> them to have real VGA support real soon now.
>
> Memory usage:
> Olivetree is a bit of a memory hog compared to Laridian.
> It occupies about 7 MB while running; Laridan
> will consume only about 2 MB.
>
> Updates:
> Olivetree has frequent beta releases of new features and
> fixes (averaging maybe 2-3 per month). Laridian only rarely
> releases updates.
> --
>><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
>><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
>><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
> mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
> "The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
> stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
> beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
> a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
> like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright
>
> "Don Pritchett" <dpritchett67@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eQxeMWnyEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> John wrote:
>> > What are your views? Is this good software?
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>>
>
>

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I use Pocket e-Sword with the NASB and MKJV as well and I am very
satisfied. My only complaint is that the search capability needs to be
speeded up.

- Barry

Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> I am using Pocket e-Sword with different language bibles...
>
>
> "Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote in message
> news:e6kF9qyyEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>>I use both OliveTree and Laridian.
>>
>>Speed:
>>Laridian is painfully slow on versions with lots of notes (such as ESV).
>>Olivetree is amazingly fast.
>>
>>Text Formatting
>>Laridian is using html formatting under the hood and does a good job
>>preserving the original formatting of poetry and the like. Olivetree
>>doesn't even try to preserve the formating. All the text is just
>>ran together in 10 verse "paragraphs". It is possible to embed
>>a break in a line, and Tanakh attempts to use this for lines of
>>poetry, but without indenting and proper wrapping, it is really
>>ugly.
>>
>>Versions available
>>Both have most of the popular versions available. The notable
>>exceptions are Olivetree does not have NIV (but it is promised
>>next spring), and Laridian does not have NET (and given how
>>slow it is with lots of nots, it probably wouldn't be practical
>>anyway). Also Olivetree's NRSV does not have the notes.
>>
>>Smartphone
>>Olivetree has a MS smartphone version that uses the same
>>Bible files.
>>
>>VGA support
>>Neither supports VGA at the moment, although they are mostly
>>usable with Tweaks2k2's VGA hack. I have tested a prebeta
>>VGA suppport of Olivetree that was almost there, so I expect
>>them to have real VGA support real soon now.
>>
>>Memory usage:
>>Olivetree is a bit of a memory hog compared to Laridian.
>>It occupies about 7 MB while running; Laridan
>>will consume only about 2 MB.
>>
>>Updates:
>>Olivetree has frequent beta releases of new features and
>>fixes (averaging maybe 2-3 per month). Laridian only rarely
>>releases updates.
>>--
>>
>>><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
>>><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
>>><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
>>
>> mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
>>"The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
>>stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
>>beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
>>a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
>>like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright
>>
>>"Don Pritchett" <dpritchett67@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:eQxeMWnyEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>John wrote:
>>>
>>>>What are your views? Is this good software?
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Rudolf Künzli wrote:

>I am using Pocket e-Sword with different language bibles...
>
>
>
Ditto. The only complaint I have runs across all bible software.
There's no way to insert annotations or foot notes.

Examples:
verses that contradict each other.
verses that have been incorrectly translated or edited from the original
text.
links to corresponding/contradicting/conflicting text in Koran, Book of
Mormon, Etc...

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Both olivetree and laridian have a notes facility.

--
><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
"The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright

"Rex Mundi" <RMundi@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:eoavhJAzEHA.908@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Rudolf Künzli wrote:
>
> >I am using Pocket e-Sword with different language bibles...
> >
> >
> >
> Ditto. The only complaint I have runs across all bible software.
> There's no way to insert annotations or foot notes.
>
> Examples:
> verses that contradict each other.
> verses that have been incorrectly translated or edited from the original
> text.
> links to corresponding/contradicting/conflicting text in Koran, Book of
> Mormon, Etc...
>
> --
> Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, §227, any and
> all unsolicited commercial Email sent to this address is subject to a
> download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. Emailing denotes
> acceptance of these terms.

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Jeffrey Glen Jackson wrote:
> Both olivetree and laridian have a notes facility.
>

As does Pocket e-Sword

--
- Barry

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I use Pocket bible with the NIV and Message. Speed seems OK to me.

"Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote in message
news:e6kF9qyyEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I use both OliveTree and Laridian.
>
> Speed:
> Laridian is painfully slow on versions with lots of notes (such as ESV).
> Olivetree is amazingly fast.
>
> Text Formatting
> Laridian is using html formatting under the hood and does a good job
> preserving the original formatting of poetry and the like. Olivetree
> doesn't even try to preserve the formating. All the text is just
> ran together in 10 verse "paragraphs". It is possible to embed
> a break in a line, and Tanakh attempts to use this for lines of
> poetry, but without indenting and proper wrapping, it is really
> ugly.
>
> Versions available
> Both have most of the popular versions available. The notable
> exceptions are Olivetree does not have NIV (but it is promised
> next spring), and Laridian does not have NET (and given how
> slow it is with lots of nots, it probably wouldn't be practical
> anyway). Also Olivetree's NRSV does not have the notes.
>
> Smartphone
> Olivetree has a MS smartphone version that uses the same
> Bible files.
>
> VGA support
> Neither supports VGA at the moment, although they are mostly
> usable with Tweaks2k2's VGA hack. I have tested a prebeta
> VGA suppport of Olivetree that was almost there, so I expect
> them to have real VGA support real soon now.
>
> Memory usage:
> Olivetree is a bit of a memory hog compared to Laridian.
> It occupies about 7 MB while running; Laridan
> will consume only about 2 MB.
>
> Updates:
> Olivetree has frequent beta releases of new features and
> fixes (averaging maybe 2-3 per month). Laridian only rarely
> releases updates.
> --
> ><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
> ><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
> ><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
> mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
> "The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
> stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
> beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
> a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
> like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright
>
> "Don Pritchett" <dpritchett67@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eQxeMWnyEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > John wrote:
> > > What are your views? Is this good software?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
>
>

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I just opened up Mt 12 in NIV on Pocket Bible. It took 20
seconds before the busy spinner quit. I regard that as fairly
painful. To be fair, I have NIV on a not particularly fast
SD Card, but ditto for Olivetree, and I can bring up
mt 12 and scroll through the whole chapter in a fraction
of that much time.

--
><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
"The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright

"Jeremy Davis" <jmdNOSPAM@jvf.co.uk> wrote in message news DUZdCjzEHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I use Pocket bible with the NIV and Message. Speed seems OK to me.
>
> "Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote in message
> news:e6kF9qyyEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > I use both OliveTree and Laridian.
> >
> > Speed:
> > Laridian is painfully slow on versions with lots of notes (such as ESV).
> > Olivetree is amazingly fast.
> >
> > Text Formatting
> > Laridian is using html formatting under the hood and does a good job
> > preserving the original formatting of poetry and the like. Olivetree
> > doesn't even try to preserve the formating. All the text is just
> > ran together in 10 verse "paragraphs". It is possible to embed
> > a break in a line, and Tanakh attempts to use this for lines of
> > poetry, but without indenting and proper wrapping, it is really
> > ugly.
> >
> > Versions available
> > Both have most of the popular versions available. The notable
> > exceptions are Olivetree does not have NIV (but it is promised
> > next spring), and Laridian does not have NET (and given how
> > slow it is with lots of nots, it probably wouldn't be practical
> > anyway). Also Olivetree's NRSV does not have the notes.
> >
> > Smartphone
> > Olivetree has a MS smartphone version that uses the same
> > Bible files.
> >
> > VGA support
> > Neither supports VGA at the moment, although they are mostly
> > usable with Tweaks2k2's VGA hack. I have tested a prebeta
> > VGA suppport of Olivetree that was almost there, so I expect
> > them to have real VGA support real soon now.
> >
> > Memory usage:
> > Olivetree is a bit of a memory hog compared to Laridian.
> > It occupies about 7 MB while running; Laridan
> > will consume only about 2 MB.
> >
> > Updates:
> > Olivetree has frequent beta releases of new features and
> > fixes (averaging maybe 2-3 per month). Laridian only rarely
> > releases updates.
> > --
> > ><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
> > ><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
> > ><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
> > mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
> > "The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
> > stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
> > beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
> > a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
> > like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright
> >
> > "Don Pritchett" <dpritchett67@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eQxeMWnyEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > John wrote:
> > > > What are your views? Is this good software?
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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I just tried opening Mt 12 in NIV on Laridian Pocket Bible from a 256MB
Lexar SD card; it took me all of 5 seconds before the busy spinner quit. I
am using an iPAQ 3955.

Jon G

"Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote in message
news:esm4qLnzEHA.1652@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>I just opened up Mt 12 in NIV on Pocket Bible. It took 20
> seconds before the busy spinner quit. I regard that as fairly
> painful. To be fair, I have NIV on a not particularly fast
> SD Card, but ditto for Olivetree, and I can bring up
> mt 12 and scroll through the whole chapter in a fraction
> of that much time.
>
> --
>><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
>><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
>><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
> mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
> "The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
> stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
> beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
> a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
> like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright
>
> "Jeremy Davis" <jmdNOSPAM@jvf.co.uk> wrote in message
> news DUZdCjzEHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> I use Pocket bible with the NIV and Message. Speed seems OK to me.
>>
>> "Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote in message
>> news:e6kF9qyyEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > I use both OliveTree and Laridian.
>> >
>> > Speed:
>> > Laridian is painfully slow on versions with lots of notes (such as
>> > ESV).
>> > Olivetree is amazingly fast.
>> >
>> > Text Formatting
>> > Laridian is using html formatting under the hood and does a good job
>> > preserving the original formatting of poetry and the like. Olivetree
>> > doesn't even try to preserve the formating. All the text is just
>> > ran together in 10 verse "paragraphs". It is possible to embed
>> > a break in a line, and Tanakh attempts to use this for lines of
>> > poetry, but without indenting and proper wrapping, it is really
>> > ugly.
>> >
>> > Versions available
>> > Both have most of the popular versions available. The notable
>> > exceptions are Olivetree does not have NIV (but it is promised
>> > next spring), and Laridian does not have NET (and given how
>> > slow it is with lots of nots, it probably wouldn't be practical
>> > anyway). Also Olivetree's NRSV does not have the notes.
>> >
>> > Smartphone
>> > Olivetree has a MS smartphone version that uses the same
>> > Bible files.
>> >
>> > VGA support
>> > Neither supports VGA at the moment, although they are mostly
>> > usable with Tweaks2k2's VGA hack. I have tested a prebeta
>> > VGA suppport of Olivetree that was almost there, so I expect
>> > them to have real VGA support real soon now.
>> >
>> > Memory usage:
>> > Olivetree is a bit of a memory hog compared to Laridian.
>> > It occupies about 7 MB while running; Laridan
>> > will consume only about 2 MB.
>> >
>> > Updates:
>> > Olivetree has frequent beta releases of new features and
>> > fixes (averaging maybe 2-3 per month). Laridian only rarely
>> > releases updates.
>> > --
>> > ><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
>> > ><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
>> > ><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
>> > mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
>> > "The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
>> > stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
>> > beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
>> > a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
>> > like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright
>> >
>> > "Don Pritchett" <dpritchett67@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eQxeMWnyEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > > John wrote:
>> > > > What are your views? Is this good software?
>> > > >
>> > > > John
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>