DirectX 11

Banana Rendering!

Sound funny, but google it!

Real-time raytracing still has a long way to go,
but here is a Link to help show not all modern 3D is 30+ fps.

Mmmm, yeah, a $1000+ workstation class graphics card to play a game... Isn't this a bit too much??
Real-time raytracing needs a really STUPID amount of processing power, and we're talking about a STATIC object. Do you realize how much power would be necessary for games as GRAW (for example) with real-time raytracing?
ONLY raytracing, not even considering everything else...
Even thinking about that is SO crazy today, maybe in 2-3 years could be possible.
I do some renderings in 3DS ocasionally (for work), and believe me when I say, I know how much power is needed for raytracing.
Let's stay with the "fake" physics for now, they're still in development...

There's alot of raytracing demos out there, real-time, but they are all rather simplistic, and all the ones I've seen CPU based (which may change later).

In order to render a scene equivalent to Oblivion or even FarCry using raytracing would require, as was said, stupid amounts of processing power. There are advantages and dissadvantages to raytracing. I don't think it'll become a reality until we start thinking we have way more than enough power.

Thanks.
I think you know better what is involved.

Points taken.
I really don't expect to get a DX11 card anytime soon. I just speculate now.
However, if you want games with Pixar quality graphics, it comes at a price. And I am not talking about 1000 Crays to watch a car explode.

You mean all that ingame currency that the retarded people of the world are buying with real money doesn't actually exist? 8O

Why are you even bringing up this topic? You're asking us whats going to be in something that Microsoft hasn't even started on yet. They don't even have DX10 working perfect yet. Stick to the here and now. Thats like asking us what features CPUs will have 10 years from now.

DX11 will be able to destroy you molecule by molecule and reassemble you inside the game. Don't die though because it works on Matrix principles. Also if the power dies you no longer exist. Buy an UPS.

What? You mean I am not really "The Hero of Kvatch", "The Grand Champion of the Arena", "handy with a sword", and greeted by the comment "Look at the muscles on You"!? Are the 4 houses and all the gold not reality either? Bummer, I was thinking I had become invinsible and my day job was the fake.

You must play Oblivion too much... but since I know exactly what you're talking about I must play too much too...

As for real this and real that, we have to consider if it will make a significant difference in visual quality given current hardware, or if current hardware can be upgraded easily enough so that such changes WOULD be significant. When "real" effects start happening will have a lot to do with whether the market is ready and supporting tech is available.

Also: a friend of mine has some stereoscopic gaming goggles that his dad accidentally bought for about $800... (its a long story) too bad that he needs an Nvidia card for full stereoscopic support and he is a staunch supporter of ATI... plus, we tried it with the 6600go on my lappy and couldn't get it to work anyway.

To many people replying: Of course its fake! Its pixels on a screen. What he means is that the game isn't actually doing the calculations to make the effect true to nature, its doing some shortcut which yields basically the same visual image... at least thats my take on it.

-mcg

You can get a pair of edimensional stereoscopic glasses for $100-ish, they'll support Ati cards as well as LCD screens... at least they're advertised as such.

What kind of stereoscopic gogles are $800? Do they have two LCD screens in them or something?

When are Directx 30 video cards gonna be available and how much will they cost exactly?

kthx

What about the music from morrowind? I still find myself humming it sometimes, not necesarrily because I like it all that much... listened to that exact same tune for about a zillion hours... yeesh.

I bought morrowwind just before Oblivion but have not played it yet. *ES noob* But I find the oblivion tune coming out of my mouth at weird times too. The opening BF2 video's music used to do the same thing to me.

*yawn* I wish I could delete topics.

Anyone know when the K12 is coming out? I heard future processors might run on fingernail clippings and chest hair, and they'll be 324987329723 times faster.

What about hovercars? The anti-christ?



Say a prayer. God knows.

Well, I can see that this thread has digressed just a tad...

Anyhow, to Cleeve:
Check http://www.3dvisor.com/ The price seems to have come down a bit from the release.

-mcg

This thread is about Direct X11 speculation; the PS3 uses a Direct X9 GPU based on the G70.

The PS3 is the prototype of something big thats going to happen in the gaming world. 1U super dupa computer power, it will be like DX50 squared. Your soxs and nikkers will be blown off.

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ [...] 30951.html

This is true killer_roach. I use Studio Max 9 to create models and animations from them, sometimes including figure models from Poser 7. It's a hellish amount of CPU power to render just one second of animation at 30fps especially when you start to include your post processing effects, advanced lighting and a little motion blur which can easily pile up 1 second of animation to 90+ frames of rendering at video quality resolution. There is a reason these folks use RENDER FARMS!

Back to the original dude's question and from my experience with rendering "real" raytracing,..., WHY!, would you want to do that in a game????

Fake is good. It makes it quick easy and available to all. Just like a movie studio. They don't really build a whole town or civilization everytime the make a movie. Its all fake, sets but you can't tell the difference if its done right.

I love fake, long live FAKE!!!

Umm, when is DX 97 comming out? will i need a new power supply for an uber DX 97 video card?

Yep... some minor updates, not so much new. Any big leap will have to wait some years more...

Most of you are missing the OP's point. To the OP, I severely doubt this will happen for another 15 years. When it does, it will completely revolutionize the graphics and physics engine industry. I doubt DirectX or OpenGL would be the systems to even begin to handle this. Either something else would arise, or DirectX would undergo another severe overhaul.

I believe what you are talking about is something I have a dream about. I've wanted to develop an engine system that will do just what you are talking about.

- Light effects rendered based on the material the light is striking, and the light consequently traveling back to the "eye," aka the camera.

- Virtual worlds built not out of 2D planes floating in space, connected at the edges, with shader texture layers applied over top; but as actual 3D materials, surfaces, fluids, gaseous clouds. Worlds built out of "atoms" as it were. This would enable true fluid dynamics modeling to occur.

- Physics rendering systems based on the material system mentioned above. For an FPS example, if you shot someone, they would die because your bullet or plasma bolt would cut or sear into them, slicing a blood vessel built into their character model which is feeding their body energy, causing them to bleed out and die. :: You could fire a tactical nuke at a cliff, and the explosion would blow a hole in the cliff, possibly sheering off rock and biting into the lake bed above. The water would then flow out in a waterfall because its bed had been disrupted.

The greatest benefit I see to all this is honestly fluid interaction, with material interaction on the order of the cliff example coming close second. Gameplay would change with the new possible non-preprogrammed interactions available in the world. In GTA, you really could level a building with enough explosives, instead of programming specific mission sequences in.

In some way, I think this model of world design and rendering would actually make it easier on game designers as they would have to program far fewer custom effects and interactions. It would be taken care of by the world renderer.

Another interesting note is that the rendering engine as it exists would shift focus completely: FROM the position of rendering polygons and then rendering light effects on them TO the position of solely rendering how light interacts with particle surfaces. Interestingly, with a strict and true ray-tracing viewpoint, the camera would be immersed in a light field, and would detect what was coming into the viewport's plane of vision. This is in opposition to detecting what is visible outward from the plane of vision and then culling out what is not, including everything above, below, to the left and right of the viewport.

Anyway, that's my interested technophilic rant, my two cents.

Well I've just got back from the year 2057 in my Delorian and I can asure you that Dx15 renders in real time. You do need a powerfull GPU from IntelAMD and one of their Core10Quado CPU but it runs fine at 45 fps on my 3D bubble helmet.

Oh my good i didn't think people can ask something like this. Games are fake! You can't change that. I mean there aren't full dx10 games and your asking for dx11.