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June 8, 2006 1:28:17 PM

These price are in USD from NCIX, since this morning (all processors Athlons, not Semprons):

3000+ $98.21
3200+ $107.13
3500+ $124.99 <-- Now that's a bargain
3800+ $157.13 <-- Unbelievable. It's still $286 on newegg

I wonder if the dual cores will have the same drop in the next few days!

EDIT:
All prices updated for USD, links added
June 8, 2006 1:45:31 PM

Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.
June 8, 2006 1:50:24 PM

3000+ for under $100 isn't a good deal? :?
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June 8, 2006 1:56:49 PM

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Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.


Well it's interesting for 2 reasons:

a) You need to buy a computer now but you believe that a price and performance war is finally restarting between AMD and Intel, so you think you'll be able to upgrade your single core for a nice 65nm dual or quad core in a few months at a much lower price then if you bought a 90nm dual core now.

b) These processors came out just last week and have already dropped in price (45% drop for the 3800+), which means AMD is very aggressive in their pricing. We should expect a similar drop in dual core prices in the next few days. The strength of AMD has always been their price edge over Intel, and they forgot that lately.
June 8, 2006 1:56:56 PM

i can still get a pentium D for cheaper...
June 8, 2006 2:35:19 PM

If you like a 533MHz BUS. :lol: 
June 8, 2006 2:39:48 PM

The dual cores need the price cuts too. I wish 939 X2s would qet cuts. Guess ebay may get flooded with them soon, I'll have to watch. But yah, who wants a single core for the price of dual? The 805 and 930 are in this price range.
June 8, 2006 2:46:27 PM

Quote:
These price are in USD from NCIX, since this morning (all processors Athlons, not Semprons):

3000+ $98.21
3200+ $107.13
3500+ $124.99 <-- Now that's a bargain
3800+ $157.13 <-- Unbelievable. It's still $286 on newegg

I wonder if the dual cores will have the same drop in the next few days!

EDIT:
All prices updated for USD, links added



Well, we all knew that AMD was going to have to do this eventually in the wake of Intel's massive price cuts. This is bad news for AMD. Without 65nm ramped up they can't possibly be profitable at these prices. I see lots of red ink in AMD's future until at least K8L.

On a side note, the price action on both intel and AMD stock here lately is saying this price war is gonna have a negative effect on both companies financials.
June 8, 2006 2:57:31 PM

The closest priced pentium D was the 820, at approximately 6 dollars less. It also scored ~10% worse in games, at a minimum. In quake3 it was more like 60 frames worse (out of ~250 for the A64). It was also 2 minutes faster at encoding divx but ~1.5 minutes slower with clonedvd, so buy it for what you use it for.

That's a great price for a good performing processor and a great solution for those of us (me) that want an A64 system but don't want to go all out until the 65nm/K8L chips come.
June 8, 2006 2:57:46 PM

If you like single-core :lol: 
June 8, 2006 3:10:13 PM

GOD, I hate fan-boys, of any type.

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June 8, 2006 3:18:23 PM

I consider these to be pretty good cuts. Last I looked, the cheapest S939 CPU was the 3000 for ~$150. It then became a 3200 for ~$130. If you could now get an AM2 3800+ for a hair over $150, that is great. I do hope that AMD cuts the price on Semprons and dual core chips too. Although from what I understand, there aren't any/many dual core AM2 chips out right now.
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June 8, 2006 3:43:35 PM

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The dual cores need the price cuts too. I wish 939 X2s would qet cuts. Guess ebay may get flooded with them soon, I'll have to watch. But yah, who wants a single core for the price of dual? The 805 and 930 are in this price range.


Probably won't happen until Conroe is released.
June 8, 2006 4:41:34 PM

good work amd , lol dont think ne1 will still buy amd over a conroe though at least till k8l cmes out
June 8, 2006 6:59:49 PM

Anybody notice the lack of reviews on the AM2 chips at Newegg? are ppl holding out for Core 2 Duo....

I think so....

It think this price move is/ can be a couple of things:

1. to give new buyers a reason to more to AM2, cause there wasnt much incentive before other than future upgrades. i am sure alot of ppl are still buying the 939 versions.

Question is of course, what is this going to do to their ASP?

2. to give ppl sitting on the fence a push in AMD's direction, the more ppl they suck in now, the less left for intel, cause both Intel and AMD will require new motherboard purchases, so its a toss up in a sense, and AMD wants to get as many as they can before the Conroe boards start selling.

I think this will work to an extent, but not to the extent that they would like, cause anyone in the market for a budget pc now can get a PD 805 for $125 and its going to be much more useful to ppl just looking for a budget, non-celeron/sempron PC.

I guess we will see what other pricing changes AMD will implement cause these are only single core.

And i'm still getting a conroe anyway.
June 8, 2006 7:17:10 PM

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If you like single-core :lol: 

Ye your right a DC chip that consumes 2x the power of a single core A64 while giving signifigantly less performance in single threaded apps is what everyone needs :roll:
June 8, 2006 7:36:24 PM

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Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.


Once again, your ignorance shows.

$100 for an Athlon 64 3200+ is an absolute bargain. We all hoped this would happen and it has. The next thing AMD needs to do is drop is Dual-core pricing.

Competition = Everyone wins
June 8, 2006 7:38:09 PM

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Competition = Everyone wins


Except shareholders!! in the short run anyway
June 8, 2006 7:59:57 PM

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These price are in USD from NCIX, since this morning (all processors Athlons, not Semprons):

3000+ $98.21
3200+ $107.13
3500+ $124.99 <-- Now that's a bargain
3800+ $157.13 <-- Unbelievable. It's still $286 on newegg

I wonder if the dual cores will have the same drop in the next few days!



I think it's funny. Intel has AMD backed into a corner. Didn't AMD just

raise prices around a month, month and a half ago?
June 8, 2006 8:11:00 PM

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I think it's funny. Intel has AMD backed into a corner. Didn't AMD just

raise prices around a month, month and a half ago?


Well i figure they were just filling their coffers with cash before they had to reduce prices,

I think one thing ppl dont realise is that AMD knows more about Intel's strategy than we do, and they know it before we do, so their plans will have started before the IDF demonstration.

I dont think anyone doubts that AMD has Conroe systems in testing in their own labs and probably have the most comprehensive testing on it, apart from Intel of course.

They are preparing for the storm.
June 8, 2006 8:21:23 PM

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Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.


Lol, where do we get these ignorant posters from? The Inquirer?
I can think of a million reasons. Im just mad cause I just paid $120 for a Sempron64 3600+. :?
June 8, 2006 8:27:07 PM

Thats really good to hear, ive got a new am2 system and was after an x2 3800+ (around £200). I then went on to find an x2 4000+ for about the same price (x2 3800+ £20 cheaper). Im not sure if this is a drop in price or a seriously cheap website at lowestonweb.com
June 8, 2006 8:34:11 PM

I like the price cuts comming from AMD but I do wish they had been more agressive :)  (was kinda hopeing for them to put some pressure back on Intel so that Intel would lower prices some more heheheheh) Well its all good any price cuts are good for the consumer and in the long run good for the market.
June 8, 2006 8:39:29 PM

I wish AMD had dropped the prices of the X2s about a month ago. And I wish that I had Corsair XMS RAM, rather than this $hitty generic stuff. And I wish that I had an X1900XT, although an X1800XT would do. Hell, I wish someone would buy me a new computer. But none of this is going to happen, and I can't send back my CPU.
June 8, 2006 8:44:01 PM

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Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.



But you have to overclock an 805 to beat a 3000+ which are about the same price. Unless you only use multithreaded games and apps, but then at stock speed it still may lose.

So i guess who wants an 805 if they don't oveclock?
June 8, 2006 8:58:05 PM

This is exactly what I have been waiting for. I wonder how long it will be until newegg lowers the prices... I am ready to order everything I need for my new AM2 system except for the processor, which I am awaiting the price cuts for.
June 8, 2006 9:12:18 PM

Quote:
These price are in USD from NCIX, since this morning (all processors Athlons, not Semprons):

3000+ $98.21
3200+ $107.13
3500+ $124.99 <-- Now that's a bargain
3800+ $157.13 <-- Unbelievable. It's still $286 on newegg

I wonder if the dual cores will have the same drop in the next few days!

EDIT:
All prices updated for USD, links added



Well, we all knew that AMD was going to have to do this eventually in the wake of Intel's massive price cuts. This is bad news for AMD. Without 65nm ramped up they can't possibly be profitable at these prices. I see lots of red ink in AMD's future until at least K8L.

On a side note, the price action on both intel and AMD stock here lately is saying this price war is gonna have a negative effect on both companies financials.



I'm surprised tehy drope dany prices. It's better to lose sales than lose money on every sale. Now that they are selling 8XX to everyone and his brother they can keep their ASP up. I believe AMDs is higher than Intel's right now. Analysts are stupid.
June 8, 2006 9:17:14 PM

price drops are good but still those are single cores also one posted stated ppl still buy skt 939 and thas true, my bro built a system around opty 146 skt 939 since AM2 didnt give that much of a boost
June 8, 2006 9:20:33 PM

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price drops are good but still those are single cores also one posted stated ppl still buy skt 939 and thas true, my bro built a system around opty 146 skt 939 since AM2 didnt give that much of a boost
Penquin, how good is that 146 working?
June 8, 2006 9:23:41 PM

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Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.



But you have to overclock an 805 to beat a 3000+ which are about the same price. Unless you only use multithreaded games and apps, but then at stock speed it still may lose.

So i guess who wants an 805 if they don't oveclock?


That's not really fair. The same thing can be said about AMD's higher Athlon 64 chips - if you buy an equally priced X2 as compared to 64, the X2 will lose in most benches that aren't multithreaded.

Compare the 3000+ to a Pentium 651, which will be priced about the same. The Pentium 651 slaughters the 3000+. Even the cheaper ($83) 641 more or less tears apart the 3000+, even in most gaming apps.
June 8, 2006 9:29:18 PM

That's what Im hoping for :D  with the prizes going down on both AMD and Intel so now they're going to compete for the prizes and everybody wins! :D 
June 8, 2006 9:32:01 PM

You can overclock the A64 without the heat and power requirements of the 805. For example, I've got a 2.0ghz K8 overclocked to 2.5ghz in my wife's pc which has a 240 watt PSU that came with it's cheap mATX desktop ($45). My own system never hits above 240 watts, that's with all the fans, raptor, a real GPU, etc. Sure, you can do this with conroe once you can buy one, too (we know you will!), sorry, but you have to wait a bit longer.....
June 8, 2006 9:34:25 PM

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Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.



But you have to overclock an 805 to beat a 3000+ which are about the same price. Unless you only use multithreaded games and apps, but then at stock speed it still may lose.

So i guess who wants an 805 if they don't oveclock?


That's not really fair. The same thing can be said about AMD's higher Athlon 64 chips - if you buy an equally priced X2 as compared to 64, the X2 will lose in most benches that aren't multithreaded.

Compare the 3000+ to a Pentium 651, which will be priced about the same. The Pentium 651 slaughters the 3000+. Even the cheaper ($83) 641 more or less tears apart the 3000+, even in most gaming apps.


if you say so. I remember no 6xx coul dbeat Athlon. I was lookign for the CPU guide tom used to have, then we'd know for sure.
June 8, 2006 9:36:16 PM

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It's better to lose sales than lose money on every sale. Now that they are selling 8XX to everyone and his brother they can keep their ASP up. I believe AMDs is higher than Intel's right now. Analysts are stupid.


1. ASP alone doesnt determine profotability, its ASP x Volume of processors sold = Revenue

AMD's ASP may be higher than Intel but not by much, i cannot remember the article, but it was like Intel $52, AMD $58, but Intel sells roughly 3 times the volume.

Irrespective of the ASP, Volume and Revenue, we also have to look at Gross Margins on processors, that data i really dont have.

2. Analysts do all of the above before reaching a conclusion on the viability of a company's business strategy, so dont think they are stupid, they also dont care much about who is faster, cause speed alone doesnt win the game. its about STRATEGY, and alot of analysts are seeing Intel's strategy as being the right one given their business objectives and the market environment.

Answer me this, and tell me why u chose your answer:
Imagine in 2008 when both AMD and Intel have IMC , Serial processor buses and Shared Cache, given that equal footing in terms of platform capability and also that each firm can incorporate design elements from the other, which company do u think is going to dominate??
June 8, 2006 9:43:43 PM

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Thats nowhere near cheap and furthermore I cant imagine that anyone is willing to buy those CPUs.



But you have to overclock an 805 to beat a 3000+ which are about the same price. Unless you only use multithreaded games and apps, but then at stock speed it still may lose.

So i guess who wants an 805 if they don't oveclock?
You have to overclock FX-62 to beat a Celeron 233Mhz which are about the same price divided by 500. Unless you use your PC for other purposes than blogging, spaming TG forumz, dl porn and wasting electricity.
June 8, 2006 10:12:22 PM

promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030

Did anyone notice that promo identification on those URLs? I didn't know THG was in the business of promoting stupid @$$ webmasters who are misusing these forums. This thread needs to be removed and stupid @$$ webmaster needs to get his clicks elsewhere, perhaps even use a little bit of hard work, rather than take advantage of THG.
June 8, 2006 10:20:23 PM

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promoid=1030promoid

Did anyone notice that promo identification on those URLs? I didn't know THG was in the business of promoting stupid @$$ webmasters who are misusing these forums. This thread needs to be removed and stupid @$$ webmaster needs to get his clicks elsewhere, perhaps even use a little bit of hard work, rather than take advantage of THG.


I would think the Promotion ID (promoid) is simply a query value used to display the correct promotional details on the product page, i dont see how anyone could be profiting from that.

Of course i am not a webmaster, if u know differently, please share your knowledge.

P.S. also could u edit your post so that i dont have to scroll horizontally? does "promoid=1030" really need to be repeated so many times?
June 9, 2006 2:30:33 AM

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promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030promoid=1030

Did anyone notice that promo identification on those URLs? I didn't know THG was in the business of promoting stupid @$$ webmasters who are misusing these forums. This thread needs to be removed and stupid @$$ webmaster needs to get his clicks elsewhere, perhaps even use a little bit of hard work, rather than take advantage of THG.




How is it dumb when AMD Athlon 64 3800+ is only $161.84!!!! I mean that is a the best deal i have seen on a amd 64 Cpu sence they came out i mean s**t you are saving $$125 how is that dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean Sh*t he is just saying the price's are droping even if its $10 or $20 you still are saving money but when you can save $125 on a Cpu that cost $286 or $300 thats a big deal
June 9, 2006 2:55:09 AM

What is really sad is that I have a 530j, 540, 3200+ Winchester and a 3200+ Venice and what are they worth?
Two of them are great overclockers (530j and the Venice) but I think $50 is it for them.
Well, I want a E6700 and a good X2 anyway.
June 9, 2006 2:56:48 AM

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3000+ for under $100 isn't a good deal? :?



It is. Especially since AMDZone got an AM2 3000+ up 2700MHz. Theyre going for 3GHz with better cooling. They did it with the stock heatsink with NO heatpipes they say.
June 9, 2006 2:57:53 AM

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3000+ for under $100 isn't a good deal? :?



It is. Especially since AMDZone got an AM2 3000+ up 2700MHz. Theyre going for 3GHz with better cooling. They did it with the stock heatsink with NO heatpipes they say.
Lol. My 939 3200+ hit 2.9GHz with the stock cooler. :D 
June 9, 2006 3:00:49 AM

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Of course i am not a webmaster, if u know differently, please share your knowledge.


I am a webmaster, so I do know differently. I would not post a link here, however, email me at thunderchikkin@yahoo.com and I will send you the link. Anyways, he is running a page using AFFILIATION, you ever see the bottom of a page where it says $webmasters$?? He wasn't bringing breaking news, he was advertising. That's also why the price was higher. Who do you think gets that money??
June 9, 2006 3:26:45 AM

We all know that more cores is always better, just look at the IBM Cell processor. :lol: 
June 9, 2006 3:29:41 AM

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price drops are good but still those are single cores also one posted stated ppl still buy skt 939 and thas true, my bro built a system around opty 146 skt 939 since AM2 didnt give that much of a boost
Penquin, how good is that 146 working?

really good.

also plz read my sig, i kno the forum is deceiveing
June 9, 2006 5:21:28 AM

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Of course i am not a webmaster, if u know differently, please share your knowledge.


I am a webmaster, so I do know differently. I would not post a link here, however, email me at thunderchikkin@yahoo.com and I will send you the link. Anyways, he is running a page using AFFILIATION, you ever see the bottom of a page where it says $webmasters$?? He wasn't bringing breaking news, he was advertising. That's also why the price was higher. Who do you think gets that money??

Sorry buddy, but I was really bringing the good news to my (now massive) flock. The promo id code refer, I'm pretty sure, to the fact that I got the links from the weekly promo web page. If you access the web site normally, and you click on the promo banner, you'll see that the links to each product has a promoid=1030 code. :roll:

Just say you're sorry and I won't hold it against you. :D 
June 9, 2006 5:27:02 AM

AMD slashes prices, intros rebates on chips
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CHIP FIRM AMD has kicked into price cuts today by slashing prices on 939 and AM2 sockets.
Distributor prices seen by the INQ show that the Athlon 64 3000 will cost $89, the 3200 $99, the 3500 $109, and the 3800 $139. In the last case, that's a 50 per cent drop.

All socket and AM2 sockets are rebated, we understand from sources close to AMD Asia.
June 9, 2006 5:42:43 AM

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if you say so. I remember no 6xx coul dbeat Athlon. I was lookign for the CPU guide tom used to have, then we'd know for sure.


The Pentium 641 wins in every CPU Guide benchmark except for Farcry and Unreal Tourny 2004.
June 9, 2006 6:40:15 AM

I am just curious which CPU you are comparing the 641 to..... The 641 is over $200 on newegg.... so which $200 plus single core AMD cpu are you comparing it to? It seems to me that the 641 performs closley to the 3500 Venice.... the 3500 Venice is only $165 on newegg..... and that price I assume is prior to the price reduction.
June 9, 2006 6:59:01 AM

Ok, so Henri Richard of AMD is talking about 4 to 8 cores for gaming platform. But here we are getting excited about the price cut of some single core from AMD? The message that I perceived from the price cut of AMD on these single cores is that, "Hurry up and buy these craps before we trash them!".

AMD, we want the price cut on the dual cores!....Please?
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