Who was the Noobish moron....

I dunno, but the US should have erradicated the poppy fields when it had the chance. Though it probably wouldn't have made a difference; once the new govt. was installed they woulda just grown it back.

And it probably wouldn't have "won the hearts and minds" of the average Afghany idiot. Though, we're not exactly doing that either.

It's all fcuked up.

Yeah.. and with supply more plentiful the hookers should lower their prices and the skag heads will need to knick one less iPod this Chrimbo..

My feeling on it all is that the US cut the warloards a deal for their assistance early on in the Afghan conflict and this is what we are getting for it. Intersetingly I have not come across any info on this years Hash production but then if they can get more for growing poppies why would they bother?

Yeah.. bill was a sax man and we all know he enjoyed the odd 'Jazz Cigarette'. I was refering more to direct deals cut between the US and the controlling powers as part of the more recent conflicts.

It just seems amazing that an admistration prepared to declare biological warefare on areas of south america can't stop the poppies in an area it claims to control.

You'd be surprised how many discussions I've already had on this one. My brother works for the health service as a drugs worker trying to sort out the social problems of the end users.

As you rightly point out its not really Americas (or anybody elses) job to wipe out a plant, I was mearly refering to the difference in approach between the coke wars in south america and the smack war in Afghanistan. Its all about control, power and lets not forget the money..

The UK is currently undergoing a huge change in the drugs market. UK police have recently had a real crack down on grow operations for weed. This has led to huge shortages in many areas (compounded by a hot summer that killed many crops) and nationally the price has gone up. With this we have had turf wars and a whole range of social issues. Sales of ecstasy and cheap coke have rocketed which has lead to more trouble on the streets...

The sooner goverments learn that society reaches a more pleasent equelibrium without intervention the better. Personally I'd scrap methadone programs tomorrow and give them the real thing on the state purchased on a fair trade basis from grower collectives.

Oh.. and your right on the figures.. it refers to grain vs poppy.

X ranges from $12 to $25 here. That's about the only street value drug I can tell you pricewise.

I can't argue against them trying to stop it. Its worthwhile in my opinion. Is it going to win? Probably not but that doesn't mean give up the fight.

Who says it has to be a fight? Many people have/do live a full and active life whilst sustaining a drugs habbit.. Queen Victoria liked her Opium. We condone and control the use of lots of drugs such as Alcohol. Why fight over the poppy or the herb.

Oh and if u guys are at $12 I hope their better qaulity than the crap they take round here.. Try as low as $2 for a pill of mixed origins but that will get you wrecked.

The 'fight' lowers quality and in most cases increases risk for the user. The very ones we are trying to protect.

Jah!



3 trophies got to be a good sized bowl

Kids at high school have less problem buying hard drugs than alcohol.
War on drugs one of the reasons?

I think you miss the point. You can quit heroin/coke/ecstasy from pretty much any usage level and not pose a risk to your own health. However ask a an alcoholic to stop drinking cold and you can actually kill them. By the UK clasification system Alcohol should be a schedule A (most harmful) drug, yet society still continues with a widely available (yet controlled and licenced) supply.

I just dont see how you can not care about the quality of the product. Surely if the fight is to protect society the people that you are not caring about are the ones you want us to act to protect?? It does not add up. Pure heroin is not very harmful, although it is rather moreish.. but is it really any more adictive than tobacco? The answer is NO.

You would appear to accept that society needs to relax as well as work (I saw your post about quiting drinking ) so you obviously accept the right of the individual to take an intoxicating substance. I just want to know how you see it as just to say your drug is ok but that mine is wrong. I'll admit to the world I've done more stupid things on booze than on any other substance I've been exposed to.

If you want a level playing field and following your argument all we can do is take the coors of old RC and make things fair for all drug users. Your call but personally I'm with Dr Leary on this one..

First, you're generalizing too much.

I don't give a fock about the people who are addicted to any type of 'drugs.'

My concern is to the people who start using. Its easy for users to keep getting it. I'm more concerned for the people who 'try' it out and get hooked, or get killed over it.

I lack empathy for people's stupid actions, even myself when I do stupid things. I have no sympathy for myself when I do something completely stupid and this goes out to everyone.

Alcohol is a controlled substance. I know how 1 beer will effect me, I know how 10 shots will effect me.

I've seen people use other drugs.. one day its bad, one day its good. Quality control sucks.. good. Waste your money on it. I don't care. Just stay away from me.

I'm sure any drug in moderation can be considered safe.

Thing like weed are gateway drugs. Don't tell me they're not because every single person I know who does any type of drug started off on it. Its the easiest 'illegal' drug to get.

The fight is to protect people like me from people who use. Stop them.. How often are people killed while someone is 'high' on something? Be it alochol or illegal drugs?

I've seen people do crazy shit on heroin, coke, heavier drugs. Buddy of mine was on LSD earlier in his years, tried pushing his friend off the roof of his house because he thought he was the devil.

Weed? Neighbor stoned out of his mind, 70-75mph (according to him) and rear-ends a truck. Truck driver had a few beers, blew a .10 (lega .08) and the neighbor got out of it because the guy was 'legally' drunk though he did nothing wrong. He admits to anyone that it was his fault for being stoned but because the other guy was drunk and had just pulled out onto the road, he was sited. Its bullshit. The cops even knew he was high, it was listed in his police report I rear. "appears altered due to effects of foreign substance" but hey, its not a crime to smoke cigarettes, its a crime to buy them.

China. Opium years. Enough said on that.

Doesn't mean go ahead and legalize it. You'd have a shit ton of people not working because they're too busy abusing it instead of being responsible.

The gov't is only trying to protect people from themselves.

Ahh.. the nanny state... thats fine for them to restrict my freedom of choice and rights to practice my own forms of spiritual worship. Sorry I voted for them to run my country.. not dictate my recrational activities.

Let darwinism prevail!

All the cases but it doesn’t matter if they are on supplying or receiving end, what matters, they wouldn’t be in jail if drugs were legal, available and priced right. If we are spending 15% worldwide right now, after legalizing, maybe 1-2% ?
We don’t have a problem with moonshine anymore I believe.

To follow on from that.. how many drug addicts do we make in our prison system? The policy of random drug testing has INCREASED heroin usage in UK jails. Why run the risk of smoking a joint that they can detect in your piss for 3 weeks when you can chase the dragon and be clean for a test in a few days.

If you can't stop heroin getting into a prison how the fcuk do you expect to keep it out of our community.

So best to create an open and transparent framework in which you can control quality and distribution.

Yeah.. because it worked so so well when they tried to do that with booze in your town

I see alcohol as a narcotic so I guess the answer is yes.

I did use the $ sign... so half the price for town here.