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Anonymous
March 15, 2005 7:24:06 PM

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With the terrific local deal on the hardware (free with new Vonage
account), I'm tempted to to jump into VoIP. However, I've got four
phones in my house and I don't want to go down to just one.

Does the Linksys PAP2 allow you to connect into the telephone wiring
block (disconnecting Bell's incoming lines) so that all my existing
phones continue to work? That is, can I run a line (with a plug at one
end and the four wires split out at the other) from the first PAP2 phone
jack to the wiring block?

If not, what is the problem?

Sorry for such a newbie question, but we all start somewhere. :) 
Anonymous
March 16, 2005 2:47:19 AM

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Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> wrote in news:5oSdnV74zog0zKrfRVn-
pA@rogers.com:

> With the terrific local deal on the hardware (free with new Vonage
> account), I'm tempted to to jump into VoIP. However, I've got four
> phones in my house and I don't want to go down to just one.
>
> Does the Linksys PAP2 allow you to connect into the telephone wiring
> block (disconnecting Bell's incoming lines) so that all my existing
> phones continue to work?

Yes.

> That is, can I run a line (with a plug at one
> end and the four wires split out at the other) from the first PAP2
phone
> jack to the wiring block?

It works.

> If not, what is the problem?

Only problem is that the REN (Ring Equivalence Number) is much lower on
the PAP2 and may not support the number of phones in your house. To
solve this problem, add up the REN of all the phones in your house and
see if it's lower than the REN of the PAP2. Most modern phones use <0.5
REN so this shouldn't be much of an issue for you.


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Anonymous
March 16, 2005 4:34:44 PM

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Lucas Tam wrote:
> Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> wrote in news:5oSdnV74zog0zKrfRVn-
> pA@rogers.com:
>
>
>>With the terrific local deal on the hardware (free with new Vonage
>>account), I'm tempted to to jump into VoIP. However, I've got four
>>phones in my house and I don't want to go down to just one.
>>
>>Does the Linksys PAP2 allow you to connect into the telephone wiring
>>block (disconnecting Bell's incoming lines) so that all my existing
>>phones continue to work?
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>That is, can I run a line (with a plug at one
>>end and the four wires split out at the other) from the first PAP2
>
> phone
>
>>jack to the wiring block?
>
>
> It works.
>
>
>>If not, what is the problem?
>
>
> Only problem is that the REN (Ring Equivalence Number) is much lower on
> the PAP2 and may not support the number of phones in your house. To
> solve this problem, add up the REN of all the phones in your house and
> see if it's lower than the REN of the PAP2. Most modern phones use <0.5
> REN so this shouldn't be much of an issue for you.
>
>


Thanks. Only problem I've got now is that Vonage apparently can't
transfer my current number to their system. They say that it's "not
available in Canada (yet)". This doesn't seem to prevent them from
advertising it though!
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Anonymous
March 16, 2005 7:28:45 PM

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Gary Dale wrote:
...
>
> Thanks. Only problem I've got now is that Vonage apparently can't
> transfer my current number to their system. They say that it's "not
> available in Canada (yet)". This doesn't seem to prevent them from
> advertising it though!

They can port some numbers but not all. Did they say "never"? If not,
ask them WHEN they will be able to port it.
Anonymous
March 16, 2005 10:41:04 PM

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Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> wrote in news:kZudnZbhi83y5qXfRVn-
rQ@rogers.com:

>> Only problem is that the REN (Ring Equivalence Number) is much lower on
>> the PAP2 and may not support the number of phones in your house. To
>> solve this problem, add up the REN of all the phones in your house and
>> see if it's lower than the REN of the PAP2. Most modern phones use <0.5
>> REN so this shouldn't be much of an issue for you.
>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks. Only problem I've got now is that Vonage apparently can't
> transfer my current number to their system. They say that it's "not
> available in Canada (yet)". This doesn't seem to prevent them from
> advertising it though!

Number Portability is only advertised on Vonage.com... but not on Vonage.ca
; )

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Anonymous
March 17, 2005 12:33:05 AM

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Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> writes:

>Thanks. Only problem I've got now is that Vonage apparently can't
>transfer my current number to their system. They say that it's "not
>available in Canada (yet)". This doesn't seem to prevent them from
>advertising it though!

Number portability is avalable in the US by government order - the
LECs would NEVER have agreed to it unless forced...you'll have to
go to the communications authority in Canada to get them to implement
the rules. :-(

That said, I have Vonage working with all my home phones - 4 regular
phones/base stations plugged into the device and all ring OK. It
works treat.

Just be sure that you disconnect the lead from the TelCo at the
interface box (or whatever it is you have up there in Canada) so
that you don't blow your box if somehow dialtone gets back on that
line. I disconnected the wire on the consumer side of my box, and
put electrical tape over the jack AND the wire, plus a note saying
NOT to connect it again.

-Stephen
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Anonymous
March 17, 2005 6:20:14 PM

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Lucas Tam wrote:


>>If not, what is the problem?
>
>
> Only problem is that the REN (Ring Equivalence Number) is much lower on
> the PAP2 and may not support the number of phones in your house.

The REN capacity of the PAP2 is 5, the same load capability as a typical
urban POTS line.




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Anonymous
March 17, 2005 6:21:34 PM

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Rick Merrill wrote:

>
> They can port some numbers but not all. Did they say "never"? If not,
> ask them WHEN they will be able to port it.

Whoops my mistake, the REN load of the PAP2 is actually 3 (equivalent to
a rural POTS line). But that should still be plenty.


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Anonymous
March 17, 2005 7:43:20 PM

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Isaiah Beard wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>
>>
>> They can port some numbers but not all. Did they say "never"? If not,
>> ask them WHEN they will be able to port it.
>
>
> Whoops my mistake, the REN load of the PAP2 is actually 3 (equivalent to
> a rural POTS line). But that should still be plenty.
>
>

Not only is it probably plenty, but if you switch off the 'ring' then
the REN drops to zero for that phone.
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 1:22:21 AM

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"Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
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> Rick Merrill wrote:
>
> >
> > They can port some numbers but not all. Did they say "never"? If not,
> > ask them WHEN they will be able to port it.
>
> Whoops my mistake, the REN load of the PAP2 is actually 3 (equivalent to
> a rural POTS line). But that should still be plenty.

The docs that came with my PAP2 says the REN is 5.
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 5:00:59 PM

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Vox Humana wrote:
>>>They can port some numbers but not all. Did they say "never"? If not,
>>>ask them WHEN they will be able to port it.
>>
>>Whoops my mistake, the REN load of the PAP2 is actually 3 (equivalent to
>>a rural POTS line). But that should still be plenty.
>
> The docs that came with my PAP2 says the REN is 5.

Ah, I was right the first time then. :)  I could've sworn it was 5, but
then not having the PAP2 right in front of me when I posted, I went to
Amazon.com to check the specs, and they list it as 3.

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Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:56:25 PM

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Lucas Tam wrote:
> Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> wrote in news:kZudnZbhi83y5qXfRVn-
> rQ@rogers.com:
>
>
>>>Only problem is that the REN (Ring Equivalence Number) is much lower on
>>>the PAP2 and may not support the number of phones in your house. To
>>>solve this problem, add up the REN of all the phones in your house and
>>>see if it's lower than the REN of the PAP2. Most modern phones use <0.5
>>>REN so this shouldn't be much of an issue for you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks. Only problem I've got now is that Vonage apparently can't
>>transfer my current number to their system. They say that it's "not
>>available in Canada (yet)". This doesn't seem to prevent them from
>>advertising it though!
>
>
> Number Portability is only advertised on Vonage.com... but not on Vonage.ca
> ; )
>

But it is advertised on the boxes they sell in the retail stores here. I
talked with a Vonage customer support guy yesterday - at a local number
- who told me it would be available today, but it wasn't. :(  And today
I can't get through to their local support staff (all our lines are busy).
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:57:00 PM

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Rick Merrill wrote:
> Gary Dale wrote:
> ..
>
>>
>> Thanks. Only problem I've got now is that Vonage apparently can't
>> transfer my current number to their system. They say that it's "not
>> available in Canada (yet)". This doesn't seem to prevent them from
>> advertising it though!
>
>
> They can port some numbers but not all. Did they say "never"? If not,
> ask them WHEN they will be able to port it.
>


As Jerry Pournelle used to say "real soon now".
Anonymous
March 18, 2005 7:57:14 PM

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Rick Merrill wrote:
> Gary Dale wrote:
> ..
>
>>
>> Thanks. Only problem I've got now is that Vonage apparently can't
>> transfer my current number to their system. They say that it's "not
>> available in Canada (yet)". This doesn't seem to prevent them from
>> advertising it though!
>
>
> They can port some numbers but not all. Did they say "never"? If not,
> ask them WHEN they will be able to port it.
>


As Jerry Pournelle used to say "real soon now".
Anonymous
March 19, 2005 2:17:39 AM

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Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> wrote in
news:NPOdnUcsZ7k-0KbfRVn-sw@rogers.com:

>> Number Portability is only advertised on Vonage.com... but not on
>> Vonage.ca ; )
>>
>
> But it is advertised on the boxes they sell in the retail stores here.
> I talked with a Vonage customer support guy yesterday - at a local
> number - who told me it would be available today, but it wasn't. :( 
> And today I can't get through to their local support staff (all our
> lines are busy).
>

REALLY? Hmmm, Vonage or Linksys must have just used the packaging from the
US boxes. From what I've heard on Vonage-Forums.com, number portability
won't be available in Canada for some time!

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March 21, 2005 1:10:39 AM

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"Gary Dale" <garydale@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:5oSdnV74zog0zKrfRVn-pA@rogers.com...
> With the terrific local deal on the hardware (free with new Vonage
> account), I'm tempted to to jump into VoIP. However, I've got four
> phones in my house and I don't want to go down to just one.
>
> Does the Linksys PAP2 allow you to connect into the telephone wiring
> block (disconnecting Bell's incoming lines) so that all my existing
> phones continue to work? That is, can I run a line (with a plug at one
> end and the four wires split out at the other) from the first PAP2 phone
> jack to the wiring block?
>
> If not, what is the problem?
>
> Sorry for such a newbie question, but we all start somewhere. :) 
!