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June 13, 2006 3:09:50 AM

Normally I could care less about one company vs another but I thought this would be appropriate for all of those who think Intel is the greatest ever and are riding high on Conroe: TI Out Produces Intel. At least one market where Intel will still be lagging after Conroe, though relatively small. And, they will likely beat Intel to 45nm for those who mistakenly think that Intel has the smallest process.

Discuss... :D 

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June 13, 2006 3:15:37 AM

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Normally I could care less about one company vs another but I thought this would be appropriate for all of those who think Intel is the greatest ever and are riding high on Conroe: TI Out Produces Intel. At least one market where Intel will still be lagging after Conroe, though relatively small. And, they will likely beat Intel to 45nm for those who mistakenly think that Intel has the smallest process.

Discuss... :D 



yeah that was interesting. TI makes calculators, phone chips, etc. but they dont get the press that Intel does because they don't make high visibilty chips.

Imean, the best FireWire chips are TI. Mot people would be surprised at how many electronic devices have TI chips.
June 13, 2006 3:20:12 AM

Very much so. They also make a lot of the silicon that goes onto other components. as you said, people would be shocked to know the breadth of their penetration.

Motorola also.
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June 13, 2006 3:20:14 AM

I remember back in college my Casio graph calculator was powered by TI chips, I think. It was great, helped me with some calculus equations.
June 13, 2006 3:26:36 AM

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I remember back in college my Casio graph calculator was powered by TI chips, I think. It was great, helped me with some calculus equations.


TI OWNS the engineering calculator market. Every math, engineering, physics, etc major uses them and a souped up 3D graphing one only costs $200.
June 13, 2006 3:27:41 AM

Motorola chips power my Fords.
June 13, 2006 3:28:22 AM

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I remember back in college my Casio graph calculator was powered by TI chips, I think. It was great, helped me with some calculus equations.


TI OWNS the engineering calculator market. Every math, engineering, physics, etc major uses them and a souped up 3D graphing one only costs $200.

Absolutely. I HAD to have one in high school calculus, not to even touch my college engineering courses.
June 13, 2006 3:35:50 AM

They also make one of the world's foremost HDTV projection chips as well.
June 13, 2006 3:36:19 AM

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I remember back in college my Casio graph calculator was powered by TI chips, I think. It was great, helped me with some calculus equations.


TI OWNS the engineering calculator market. Every math, engineering, physics, etc major uses them and a souped up 3D graphing one only costs $200.

Absolutely. I HAD to have one in high school calculus, not to even touch my college engineering courses.


Tell me about it. I still have my TI-81 and I use it every now and then even though I do development now.
June 13, 2006 3:49:24 AM

Waste of time article. TI has been right behind Intel for a while - they deployed 65nm in late '05, for example. Without any definite timeframe, it's impossible to say that they are going to "beat" Intel at anything (in terms of process size - they may with chip volume, I don't know). While their SRAM numbers are impressive, Intel displayed their SRAM chip half a year ago. They may have decreased the cell size by now.

It's just a press release from TI copied and pasted into a news article, nothing more. I wouldn't put much faith on it without a definite time frame. It's about as useful as an Intel pat-on-the-back press release.
June 13, 2006 4:04:12 AM

I breezed past my pre-cal class with one of those TI-83's. Yep got through my sophomore year fairly quickly
June 13, 2006 4:04:55 AM

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Waste of time article. TI has been right behind Intel for a while - they deployed 65nm in late '05, for example. Without any definite timeframe, it's impossible to say that they are going to "beat" Intel at anything (in terms of process size - they may with chip volume, I don't know). While their SRAM numbers are impressive, Intel displayed their SRAM chip half a year ago. They may have decreased the cell size by now.

It's just a press release from TI copied and pasted into a news article, nothing more. I wouldn't put much faith on it without a definite time frame.


You do realize this is more of a joke than anything right?

I am not that concerned with who gets to 45nm first. TI has been winning in volume for years, no big deal. The real point is to show/get people to realize that this is more than just and Intel/AMD world, and to draw out the hardcore fanboys that would take tis too seriously and come up with reasons why this article/TI suck. :twisted:
June 13, 2006 4:11:18 AM

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You do realize this is more of a joke than anything right?



Sorry. I blame it on jet lag. :oops: 


Well, if you want to bring up TI.. why not bring up ARM? They license out their uArch for over 1.7 billion chips a year. :roll:
June 13, 2006 4:40:15 AM

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TI announced that it has developed the smallest 45nm SRAM memory cell, taking up a mere 0.24 square microns. This is 30 percent smaller than Intel's smallest SRAM cell said TI. In fact, due to design, TI says that its 45nm SRAM cell is up to 30 percent smaller than other 45nm SRAM cells.

I did find this interesting. To put things in perspective, Intel's 45nm SRAM cell takes up 0.346 square microns and AMD's is even larger at 0.370 square microns.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=273...

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The benchmark when producing a wafer of SRAM is how small you're able to produce each SRAM cell. At 45nm Intel was able to achieve a 0.346 square micron SRAM cell size compared to AMD's 0.370 square micron SRAM cells. Intel's advantage in SRAM cell size is nothing new, as they have been doing so in previous process technologies as well.

While it may seem that TI's 45nm process is better, it's mainly because they are optimized for different things. TI's would be mainly power consumption in mind while Intel's and AMD's have to worry about allowing for high speeds. Intel and AMD probably have larger distances between the source and the drain to reduce leakage which would account for the larger sizes. AMD's use of SOI might also make their process larger.
June 13, 2006 4:45:27 AM

Intel has already demonstrated a working 45nm static RAM memory chip. Last year Intel began work on its second 45nm 300mm plant at Fab 28 in Kiryat Gat, Israel which is suppose to come on line in the second half of 2008. Its first 45nm 300mm plant is Fab 32.
June 13, 2006 4:54:19 AM

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Normally I could care less about one company vs another but I thought this would be appropriate for all of those who think Intel is the greatest ever and are riding high on Conroe: TI Out Produces Intel. At least one market where Intel will still be lagging after Conroe, though relatively small. And, they will likely beat Intel to 45nm for those who mistakenly think that Intel has the smallest process.

Discuss... :D 


Apples and oranges. What are you talking about? Did anybody expect Intel to win the mobile (cellphones and calculators and etc.) space with Conroe? Please elaborate. Intel is fighting a couple of battles but it doesn't translate into what you assumed. It is a good article but you mixed it up.


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June 13, 2006 5:29:45 AM

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Waste of time article. TI has been right behind Intel for a while - they deployed 65nm in late '05, for example. Without any definite timeframe, it's impossible to say that they are going to "beat" Intel at anything (in terms of process size - they may with chip volume, I don't know). While their SRAM numbers are impressive, Intel displayed their SRAM chip half a year ago. They may have decreased the cell size by now.

It's just a press release from TI copied and pasted into a news article, nothing more. I wouldn't put much faith on it without a definite time frame.


You do realize this is more of a joke than anything right?

I am not that concerned with who gets to 45nm first. TI has been winning in volume for years, no big deal. The real point is to show/get people to realize that this is more than just and Intel/AMD world, and to draw out the hardcore fanboys that would take tis too seriously and come up with reasons why this article/TI suck. :twisted:

You do realize that chipset that TI makes are not as involved as CPU. If chipset is all Intel has to make, they would probably have the 22nm cranking already. The smaller it is, the more they can crank out and make more money. It's so automated that its not even funny. Robots handles all of Intel 300mm wafers. Operators cannot even touch the wafers boxes. Its too heavy.

Tri-gate transister, look out AMD! You pissed off the sleeping giant!
June 13, 2006 5:53:16 AM

You just got punk'd. :oops: 

-J
June 13, 2006 6:13:10 AM

I agree. I just retired from the Aloha campus and know for a fact the resources Intel has. And yes, I have dodged a few robots in my time!
June 13, 2006 6:29:40 AM

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TI OWNS the engineering calculator market.

Cool, i wonder if i can overclock my calculator by 100% on LN2? :wink:


PS. The calculator won't fit in my pocket then. :cry: 
June 13, 2006 7:58:25 AM

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You just got punk'd. :oops: 

-J


Elaborate you idiot, got punked for what?
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June 13, 2006 8:08:24 AM

Well, you could care less, and if you did care less, you wouldn't have said anything. So it appears you could care less about anything, even breathing. That is to say, you couldn't care more about anything else if you quite breathing. Do you need help?
June 13, 2006 9:25:12 AM

TIs market is not exactly small :roll:
June 13, 2006 12:56:57 PM

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You just got punk'd. :oops: 

-J


Elaborate you idiot, got punked for what?

I think he was calling you the punk-ER not the punk-EE :) 
June 13, 2006 1:24:33 PM

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Well, you could care less, and if you did care less, you wouldn't have said anything. So it appears you could care less about anything, even breathing. That is to say, you couldn't care more about anything else if you quite breathing. Do you need help?


Grow up. This was just a thread to start a discussion about something other that Intel v AMD. Though it also serves a secondary purpose of illustrating how polarized these forums are lately.
June 13, 2006 1:25:32 PM

TI builds $1 chips for calculators... Intel can demand $1000+ for a desktop CPU... in that case, I guess it is better to focus on quality instead of quantity.
June 13, 2006 1:26:27 PM

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Normally I could care less about one company vs another but I thought this would be appropriate for all of those who think Intel is the greatest ever and are riding high on Conroe: TI Out Produces Intel. At least one market where Intel will still be lagging after Conroe, though relatively small. And, they will likely beat Intel to 45nm for those who mistakenly think that Intel has the smallest process.

Discuss... :D 


Apples and oranges. What are you talking about? Did anybody expect Intel to win the mobile (cellphones and calculators and etc.) space with Conroe? Please elaborate. Intel is fighting a couple of battles but it doesn't translate into what you assumed. It is a good article but you mixed it up.

I didn't mix it up at all, I fully understand the difference. My onlt point is that there are people here that think that Intel dominates the entire ship market, and that just isn't true. There are a lot of non-PC chips out there in places people don't even realize.

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June 13, 2006 1:29:02 PM

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Waste of time article. TI has been right behind Intel for a while - they deployed 65nm in late '05, for example. Without any definite timeframe, it's impossible to say that they are going to "beat" Intel at anything (in terms of process size - they may with chip volume, I don't know). While their SRAM numbers are impressive, Intel displayed their SRAM chip half a year ago. They may have decreased the cell size by now.

It's just a press release from TI copied and pasted into a news article, nothing more. I wouldn't put much faith on it without a definite time frame.


You do realize this is more of a joke than anything right?

I am not that concerned with who gets to 45nm first. TI has been winning in volume for years, no big deal. The real point is to show/get people to realize that this is more than just and Intel/AMD world, and to draw out the hardcore fanboys that would take tis too seriously and come up with reasons why this article/TI suck. :twisted:

You do realize that chipset that TI makes are not as involved as CPU. If chipset is all Intel has to make, they would probably have the 22nm cranking already. The smaller it is, the more they can crank out and make more money. It's so automated that its not even funny. Robots handles all of Intel 300mm wafers. Operators cannot even touch the wafers boxes. Its too heavy.

Tri-gate transister, look out AMD! You pissed off the sleeping giant!

Actually, TI does make CPUs, but not for PCs. They makes processors and chipsets for smaller mobile applications, and if you read the thread, you would see that I did not compare any PC CPU to the mobile space.
June 13, 2006 3:08:54 PM

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Normally I could care less about one company vs another but I thought this would be appropriate for all of those who think Intel is the greatest ever and are riding high on Conroe: TI Out Produces Intel. At least one market where Intel will still be lagging after Conroe, though relatively small. And, they will likely beat Intel to 45nm for those who mistakenly think that Intel has the smallest process.

Discuss... :D 


Damn, you beat me on it.
Anyhow, here's another link:
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June 13, 2006 3:19:31 PM

I think the point is no one gets excited about calculator chips. Or how your cellphone can make funny ringtones.

To be honest the only reason I think new CPU's are interesting is because they open up amazing possibilities to do neat OS stuff and games. I've had a calculator since I was in the 4th grade...they almost never get better.

Graphing calcs are sort of new.

I'll be more impressed when calcs can scan equations from paper then give you the answer. Or have LCD display. Not to mention downloadable teaching lessons on how to calculate certain equations.

That's when a silly TI could impress me.
June 13, 2006 3:23:16 PM

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I think the point is no one gets excited about calculator chips. Or how your cellphone can make funny ringtones.

To be honest the only reason I think new CPU's are interesting is because they open up amazing possibilities to do neat OS stuff and games. I've had a calculator since I was in the 4th grade...they almost never get better.

Graphing calcs are sort of new.

I'll be more impressed when calcs can scan equations from paper then give you the answer. Or have LCD display. Not to mention downloadable teaching lessons on how to calculate certain equations.

That's when a silly TI could impress me.


Actually, the newer ones can already do some of the things that you mention, and have a fairly robust programming interface for customization.

Its really amazing how much can be done now days with a small processor such as a TI, ARM, or Motorola.
June 13, 2006 4:02:09 PM

How about a 250mhz LV merom? That would put some computing power in the palm of your hand.
June 13, 2006 4:09:04 PM

You were the first moronic fan-boy to take this thread seriously. Good job.

-J
June 13, 2006 4:35:36 PM

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Or have LCD display.
They've had LCD displays for a very long time. :lol: 
June 13, 2006 5:02:45 PM

I guess we could have a thread about TI vs M$. I don't need to buy a calculator from TI, once i spend $200 on windows. Calc.exe works on Intel and AMD. :wink:
June 13, 2006 5:14:01 PM

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I guess we could have a thread about TI vs M$. I don't need to buy a calculator from TI, once i spend $200 on windows. Calc.exe works on Intel and AMD. :wink:


That's very true, unless you try to do anything more advanced than 5 * 5 :wink:
June 13, 2006 5:53:46 PM

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Or have LCD display.
They've had LCD displays for a very long time. :lol: 

Har har har... You know what I meant. A Colour LCD.
June 13, 2006 6:18:34 PM

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I guess we could have a thread about TI vs M$. I don't need to buy a calculator from TI, once i spend $200 on windows. Calc.exe works on Intel and AMD. :wink:


That's very true, unless you try to do anything more advanced than 5 * 5 :wink:

Were you not aware that calc.exe has a scientific mode? I actually use it for trig stuff all the time. Its easily as good as any non-graphing scientific calculater that I've ever used.
June 13, 2006 6:26:03 PM

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I guess we could have a thread about TI vs M$. I don't need to buy a calculator from TI, once i spend $200 on windows. Calc.exe works on Intel and AMD. :wink:


That's very true, unless you try to do anything more advanced than 5 * 5 :wink:

Were you not aware that calc.exe has a scientific mode? I actually use it for trig stuff all the time. Its easily as good as any non-graphing scientific calculater that I've ever used.

I hate to beat it into the ground, but microsoft puts out a PowerCalc powertoy that is a pretty powerful graphing calculator. And its free (for legitimate windows users :wink: ), you just gotta know how to use it.
June 13, 2006 6:45:45 PM

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I guess we could have a thread about TI vs M$. I don't need to buy a calculator from TI, once i spend $200 on windows. Calc.exe works on Intel and AMD. :wink:


That's very true, unless you try to do anything more advanced than 5 * 5 :wink:

Were you not aware that calc.exe has a scientific mode? I actually use it for trig stuff all the time. Its easily as good as any non-graphing scientific calculater that I've ever used.

Yes, I am well aware of that, and that is the mode I regularly use. But other than conversions between Hex, BCD, Octal and Decimal, it is much easier/faster for me to use my TI-83.
June 13, 2006 7:03:05 PM

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I guess we could have a thread about TI vs M$. I don't need to buy a calculator from TI, once i spend $200 on windows. Calc.exe works on Intel and AMD. :wink:




Maybe you wouldn't need it but the Scientific function of Calc.exe are a joke in comparison. You can do 3D graphs with a TI. You can do Multivariable calculus, fractals, Linear Algebra, etc.
June 13, 2006 7:12:38 PM

I'm fairly sure there are applications out there that can do the same thing.
June 13, 2006 7:19:01 PM

Just so you all know, you seem to be taking this thread a little too seriously. :wink:
June 13, 2006 7:46:01 PM

Darn it Hergie,

Intel is the best they always have and always will be!!!

No other company in the universe compares. They are the greatest!

Intel should take over for the UN.

Intel forever!!! TI PPPPSSSShhhhhhhh!!! Who are they again?

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Is that better Hergie?

I happen to like TI as they provide alot of things that I use daily! Their DSP chips are by far the best. They also (as mentioned) make my 118" projection screen look quite nice with their DLP tech!

Now TI rules!! Long live the reign of TI!

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June 13, 2006 7:50:40 PM

But then again Intel makes the Xscale processor for my phone which is the absolute best gadget I have ever purchased!

So Intel RULES!!

Long live Intel!!


Actually Transmeta RULES!!!

Cause they support pay-as-you-go and flexgo!!!

Long live Transmeta!!
June 13, 2006 7:52:29 PM

Thank. That is much better. :lol: 
June 13, 2006 7:54:08 PM

Hergie, Iam am confused!

Transmeta is in bed with AMD of all companies!!! What do I do?

Where should my allegiance stand?

/me = confused!!
June 13, 2006 7:57:47 PM

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Hergie, Iam am confused!

Transmeta is in bed with AMD of all companies!!! What do I do?

Where should my allegiance stand?

/me = confused!!


Break them all and get a motorola based phone? :idea:
June 13, 2006 7:58:57 PM

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I'm fairly sure there are applications out there that can do the same thing.

sure there's MatLab, mathCAD and a few more but they cost much more than a TI
June 13, 2006 7:59:09 PM

I now know where my Allegiance STANDS!

"DIET PEPSI"

Diet Pepsi rules and Diet Coke is a joke! "hey that ryhmed"
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