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June 13, 2006 4:13:55 AM

I had an AMD build, but I looked at some intel stuff and this saves me $400, and seems a bit faster ^^. Just checking before I buy to see if everything is compatable, and if I have everything I will need.

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819116239
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131578
Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231050
Main Hard Drive: 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822144416
Speedy Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822144200
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130283
Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817103937
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811212008
Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824224008
Other Stuff: DVD Burner, DVD Drive, Floppy Drive, 2 80mm Fans, 120mm Fan, Wire Sleeves, Windows, Printer, Keyboard/Mouse, Speakers
Total Price: 1,450

So when this comes will I be able to put everything togather and use it without any additional wires, etc?

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June 13, 2006 4:53:33 AM

Well, a word of advide first: list all the components so that it makes it easier for us.

Critiques:
1) INTEL PENTIUM D's SUCK!!! For the price/performance, they lose to the AMD 64's. It's up to you, and besides, the AM2's aren't badly priced (the Socket AM2 AMD X2 3800+ offers a lot more performance per watt than any Pentium D - and it's only $70 more. ) Also, the MB will only cost $40 more, and that RAM you currently selected you can use too. For more performance with the AM2, you can spend another $20 and end up with OCZ's DDR2 800 RAM - total upgraded cost for MORE performance: 130, NOT $400...
2) You can wait for Conroe to come out, which will be priced fairly well and will offer you better performance than the Pentium D AND any AM2.
3) AM2 will cost you less on your energy bill :) 

As for your current setup, you seem to have everything. And just to make sure, you do have a Windows XP disk lying around right?
June 13, 2006 5:09:16 AM

Just a few things to note:

1. If you don't plan on going SLI, its not worth buying an SLI MB
2. If you do plan on going SLI, its not worth it going with a mid range GPU - you'll get higher FPS with a single high end GPU, and they generally cost less than 2 mid range GPUs.
3. Make sure those HDD's come with full warranties (OEM drives in my experience have 1 year warranties, the Caviar's should have a 3 year, and the raptor should have a 5 year)
4. The case you are buying has a power supply preinstalled, if you are going to buy another one anyway, see if you can find either the same case (without PS) for lower cost, or a better case (w/o PS) for same or lower cost. Alternatively, skip on the separate PS.

You can, however, put together all of your chosen components and they should work just fine (even if you ignore my advice). The only possible problem I can forsee is if the MB does not come with enough SATA cables (I ran into this with my Gigabyte MB - it came with 2 SATA cables when I needed 3, and OEM/bare drives don't come with cables) - SATA cables are pretty cheap though, and can generally be found at any half decent computers/electronics store.

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OK, you can ignore what I said about compatibility. Apparently, the Asus P5ND2-SLI is not compatible with the Pentium D 900 series processors (something about the nVidia chipset not being compatible with the 65nm processors).
List of supported CPU's
TG Forum thread
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June 13, 2006 5:09:21 AM

If you are into gaming you are going to want a better videocard like a 7900GT, a 7600GT has half the pipelines of a 7900GT, that makes a world of difference.

Oh yeah, in today's world you are going to really want to have 2GB of RAM, especially if you game or plan to run Windows Vista.
June 13, 2006 5:21:37 AM

Looking at benchmark scores with the athlon X2 3800 ($297) vs the Pentium D 940, the pentium D seemed to come out ahead in all graphic program tests (I use photoshop and flash, some gaming but graphics are more important). But I might consider just getting the AMD I had planned (939 or AM2, whichever is cheaper).

I didn't really get it for the SLI, the board just had what I wanted, and it wasen't much extra then the other boards so why not?
The warrenties are 3 and 5, so that should be good. Also do I need any extra cables for Raiding (correct term?) those two caviars?
I didn't find a much better case, I don't like alot of the ones on that site, too flashy, but yea origionaly I was looking for one without a psu. I had to get one though becuase I've heard bad stories about the stock PSUs.

I'm not really into gaming, flash and photoshop, so that should be fine. And thanks for the tip on ram, didn't seem necasary right now but I forgot about vista.
June 13, 2006 5:31:26 AM

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I had an AMD build, but I looked at some intel stuff and this saves me $400, and seems a bit faster


You got loads of good advice here. If I were to build an Intel rig now, I'd have to wait and do a Conroe build. I also cannot advise buying the small Raptor. You can get a 74GB for ~$130, but do you really need it in the first place? For ~$160, you can have two 250GB HDs.
June 13, 2006 5:42:09 AM

Well, AM2 isn't much more expensive then 939 so I'm going with either AM2 or Pentium D.

Intel:
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131578
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819116239
Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231051

AMD:
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131013
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103735
Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231073


AMD is about $150 more expensive, but if that gives me better speed then I'm willing to spend the extra money, also AM2 will give me more upgrade oppurtunities.


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You got loads of good advice here. If I were to build an Intel rig now, I'd have to wait and do a Conroe build. I also cannot advise buying the small Raptor. You can get a 74GB for ~$130, but do you really need it in the first place? For ~$160, you can have two 250GB HDs.


The extra HD is for scratch disk and virtual memory, the extra scratch disk space is really helpful on a fast drive so unless I'm underestimating how fast I'm going to want the scratch it dosen't hurt anything. Also waiting for conroe isn't really an option as I don't have any computer right now except this borrowed laptop ><.
June 13, 2006 6:11:35 AM

Check my edit above, I found that the Pentium D 940 won't work with the Asus P5N2-SLI MB.

If you want to go skt AM2, wait a few weeks for the price cuts to go into effect for the dual core CPU's. You should be able to get that X2 3800 for ~$150-180. If you need the comp now, then get a single core CPU as a holdover until the prices come down on the dual cores (a Sempron 2600 will run you between $60-70, and you can hawk it on ebay to some sucker when you get the dual core). You could also forgoe dual core if you don't do much multitasking. In single threaded programs, the single core Athlon 3800 will outperform the dual core 3800, and you can get one for $150 now.

Shop around for components too, NewEgg is a good e-tailer, but often times you can find lower prices at other stores (a good one is ZipZoomFly - they have consistantly low prices and free shipping on just about everything - including cases).

As far a RAID goes, no you will not need any special cables to make it happen, but what you will need are the device drivers for the RAID controller and a floppy drive, if you plan on installing WinXP on the RAID array (the XP cd's don't have RAID controller device drivers on them, and you can't use the RAID array without them, so you have to provide them to XP when you start the installation process - this is a serious PITA, but its worth it if you want every erg of performance out of your HDD's).
June 13, 2006 6:15:03 AM

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AM2 will give me more upgrade oppurtunities.


That's speculation at best.

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The extra HD is for scratch disk and virtual memory, the extra scratch disk space is really helpful on a fast drive so unless I'm underestimating how fast I'm going to want the scratch it dosen't hurt anything.


Of course it won't hurt anything. I'm just talking bang per buck.

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Also waiting for conroe isn't really an option as I don't have any computer right now except this borrowed laptop ><.


Then consider a Conroe-compatible mobo and a lower end dual core CPU. Update to Conroe when you can.,
June 13, 2006 6:28:06 AM

im not trying to burst your bubble at all but what is with people buying new computer/building them at the dawn on Conroe and DX10 Cards? O_o?

am i the only person that is waiting like an intellegent person?
ok lets say you dont want to go conroe..well fine thats perfect because as you may or may not know AMD is going to lower prices DRASTICLY and Intel will follow in persuit (mabey not the conroes but everything else will lower in price)


Just my 2 cents on all theses people building PCs right now...its kind of a dumb time to do it i mean just wait a month at least for cheaper CPUs...and at least itsa 7600 and not like a 7900 because that thing would be a waste of money at this point with DX10 coming out in less then 6months (the cards are slated for Late 06 Early 07)
June 13, 2006 6:37:47 AM

Waiting for anything isn't really a possibility, as I need something that will run photoshop, and right now I have a laptop that has to be returned in a few days. Having something that I could upgrade to conroe might be nice, but I figure I can buy something now and wait for whatever comes after conroe, maybe get a quad core when those come around. So that means even a few weeks for price cuts, even though that's like half as much :( , isn't really an option.

I did look around for places other than new egg and I could get it from all diferent places for maybe $100 cheaper, but it's just easier to get it all from the same place.

And I have no clue what you just said for raid, but basicly I don't need anything extra to set up the raid, but before I install the OS I need to look up, and set up the raid?


edit..
I had to change the motherboard to this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813130048 due to the other one going out of stock, and I've pretty much decided on AM2 now.
June 13, 2006 12:01:54 PM

See this article about installing XP on a RAID array (in particular, this page has the relevant info needed in the installation process - this is only true if you plan on installing XP on the RAID array, if you don't, then you can ignore this article).

In case you need it, here is an article describing what RAID is, and the different types.
June 13, 2006 12:15:01 PM

I'm not a Photoshop user, but I seem to recall that it is not CPU intensive. You could save yourself a pile of cash buying a Sempron now, and then if its performance disappoints you, upgrade to the dual core Athlon when it the price cuts go into effect. Even if you don't hawk the Sempron on Ebay, you still end up with a lower net cost than buying the dual core right now.

If you do alot of cpu intensive multitasking, or have multithreaded programs that you use, then the dual core may be worth it, but for the great and vast majority of users, the single core 3800 will outperform the dual core 3800 (1 core @ 2.4 gHz vs 2 cores @ 2.0 gHz).
June 13, 2006 2:41:33 PM

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im not trying to burst your bubble at all but what is with people buying new computer/building them at the dawn on Conroe and DX10 Cards? O_o?


Not sure why you wrote that in reply to me when I said:

"Then consider a Conroe-compatible mobo and a lower end dual core CPU. Update to Conroe when you can."

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am i the only person that is waiting like an intellegent person?


There are people out there snagging bargains right now and that can be an intelligent move if the product meets their needs. I hope your Vista behemouth meets your needs but I'm as of yet unconvinced that the overhead will be worth it. Maybe for a HTPC.
June 13, 2006 7:48:11 PM

What raid are you going to run, Raid 0?

What's faster, Raid 0 on two 7200 or the 1000 Rpm Raptor as a single drive? I don't see the point of buying a raptor if it's not going to be used for your operating system/games. Unless you did a Raid 0 with two 74g raptors if you have the cash.
June 13, 2006 9:45:53 PM

I'm going to raid 0 on the two slow drives, becuase buying those is cheaper than buying one big drive, and then when I use raid they are faster than 1 big drive. (raid 0 is where they are striped right? or mirrored?)

The raptor is going to be for OS, scratch disk, virtual memory, and some other random things. That drive should be faster than the caviars even when those are stripped.
June 14, 2006 3:47:55 AM

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I'm going to raid 0 on the two slow drives, becuase buying those is cheaper than buying one big drive, and then when I use raid they are faster than 1 big drive. (raid 0 is where they are striped right? or mirrored?)


RAID0 is striped. In a pinch, you can remember it by fantacizing that it will take no time at all (zero) to read and write.
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