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Arthur Entlich wrote:
> Firstly, let me state that even long before Epson incorporated any
> chips in their cartridges, etc, they had a procedure for replacing
> "outdated" ink cartridges. It isn't that the cartridges have a date
> built into them or that they won't work past any specific date, it is
> just that Epson suggests their inks after opening (the older dye
> cartridges, at least) should be used up after some set time (I believe
> it was 6 months) to prevent ink thickening or otherwise degrading
> print quality.
>
> Now to the bigger picture. Epson only has the best interest of it's
> clients and users in mind in the different technologies it has
> incorporated.
All companies, including Epson, has the best interest of their
stockholders in mind. Way above its users.
> They want to prevent problems with 3rd party inks
They really, like HP and Canon as well, would like to eliminate the use
of 3rd party inks. Epson does more than anyone to make it much more
difficult to use them.
> from degrading print quality, they want to offer a good methods of
> monitoring the amount of ink in the cartridges, and allow people to
> remove and replace cartridges mid-stream and still know just how much
> ink is left.
> They also designed the newer cartridges to be fairly airtight to
> prevent drying out and oxidation and went to individual ink color
> cartridges to help save the consumer money.
>
> All the problems people speak of are unfortunately side effects of
> these ingenious
way to screw you out of the money you have in your wallet.
> and helpful designs, and anyone who places a negative slant on Epson's
> motives is simply malicious or paranoid.
>
> And....
>
> If you believe this, I suggest you take note of the date of this
> posting. (April 1st - April Fools' Day.
>
>
> ===============================
>
> Lexmark, HP and Epson, and I'll venture to guess Canon, as soon as
> they retain enough market share (if laws don't force all of them to do
> otherwise) all have one basic reason reason behind their many schemes
> and fancy electronics. It's to sell ink, because, they no longer can
> make reasonable profits on their printer sales, due to the business
> model they ascribe to. It stinks. It creates waste, it's an
> environmental nightmare, and it should be illegal, and hopefully soon
> will be.
>
> People should be paying more legitimate prices for printers with
> better builds that will last longer. The print quality over the last
> 5 years has not changed markedly enough that people should need to
> replace their printers every year or two. I still use my second
> generation Epson printer and a friend and my brother still use the
> first generation Epson color printer. Yes, they are slow, and the
> print quality has been improved upon, but considering they are nearly
> 10 years old, that is to be expected. However, they both still work
> as well as they did when purchased. So, there is no question that
> Epson and any inkjet printer manufacturer can make a printer that
> lasts, they just cost a bit more to produce. They can also produce
> ink cartridges without chips, dates, or non-refillable technologies.
> They can make printers with removable waste ink bottoms or pads, and
> they can make the heads less likely to clog, also. All it takes is
> the will of purchasers to refuse to buy what we are being told is the
> only way it can be done.
>
> I do not own any Epson printer which requires a cartridge with a chip,
> and I don't know that I ever will. I'm hoping Epson will come to
> their senses eventually, and dump that technology. It creates
> unnecessary problems with little benefit to the buyer who pays for it.
> I am encouraging legislators and even Canada Competition Bureau to
> legislate refillable cartridges for all inkjet printers sold in
> Canada, as the EU has.
>
> However, having said that, right now, Epson printers still provide the
> best quality result in terms of image and ink options for many
> applications. I like Canon as a company. They are innovative and
> their film and digital cameras are both designed and built well.
> Their inkjet products were a disaster, IMHO, prior to the "i" series.
> They had major design flaws, which they came a long way toward
> correcting. They still need help in several areas: head design, in
> terms of burn out (or cheaper replacement heads so people don't dump
> the whole printer when the head fails), ink formulation (improvement
> so they have better permanence), media (wider selection and better
> costs), and color management (more robust and accurate print drivers).
>
> If they do those things, and still keep their printers free of the
> protection rackets used by other inkjet manufacturers, I may well have
> a Canon as my next printer.
>
> Art
>
>
> measekite wrote:
>
>> Thinking of all of the problems with Epson due to the chip, outdated
>> ink carts, cartridge swapping and the like, what is Epsons reasons
>> for doing this and what do you think is the real reason?
>>
>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>
>>> If you go to www.epson.com and click on USA, and then click on
>>> drivers and support in the left margin, go to printers, and pick up
>>> 750 under Stylus photo list, (the manual you want to download is
>>> pho750u1.pdf). This is the user's manual, which you may already own.
>>>
>>> Typically, under "replacing an outdated ink cartridge" there is
>>> likely to be a series of instructions involving pressing certain
>>> front panel buttons, as described. this should move the cartridge
>>> to the correct location to allow you to remove and replace it with a
>>> new, or at least refilled one.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> The colour cartridge read empty although I had not used it much, so
>>>> I took it out and put it back...
>>>>
>>>> It now thinks the cartridge is full, and I can't remove it to
>>>> replace it!
>>>>
>>>> How can I force the printer to give up the cartridge? No help on
>>>> this on Epson's website.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Martin.
>>>>
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