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Arthur Entlich wrote:
> The only thing you are likely to be sure of by buying Canon BRANDED
> inks right now is that they will fade pretty rapidly, I guess that's
> worth something, in terms of reliability ;-)
Maybe you are right about fading. But my prints made by my Canon with
OEM inks on Canon Photo Paper Pro, Office Depot unbranded,and
Surething show no evidence of fading in the past 6 months. These
photos are left on a desk in my office.
>
> And if you think ink production that is "BRANDED" removes the
> possibility that it can be made in numerous locales, by different
> companies and with differing formulae, you are being naive.
Inks that are branded by Canon, HP and Epson are made to a certain
specification and quality that is controled by the Printer Company.
>
> Art
>
> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> WeInk_TechSupport wrote:
>>
>>> 1. For the purpose of support and warranty, we are to be considered the
>>> manufacturer.
>>
>>
>>
>> A formulator develops all of the characteristics of the ink that they
>> usually patent. The manufacturer who is many times the formulator
>> actually creates the product. For purposes of support and warranty
>> you are neither the developer nor the creator even though you want to
>> take the responsibility.
>>
>>> You are buying UltraFLO, Chromium, or Endura brand ink
>>> formulations, not no name brands.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then who do these manufacturer/formulator sell their products to?
>>
>>> We use a private co-manufacturer who
>>> sells to the public as well
>>
>>
>>
>> And who is that? I have been looking very hard for a BRANDED INK
>> MANUFACTURER who make the stuff and then distributes it using a
>> variety of marketing channels so the ultimate buyer makes their
>> purchase based on retailer service, support, and price. And many of
>> these retailers will offer the customers a variety BRANDED INKS. I
>> can go to Costco and buy Epson, Canon, and HP branded inks.
>>
>>> but we are responsible for vetting and
>>> supporting the inks we have made for us.
>>>
>>> 2. The cartridges sold at $6.99 are our in-house samplers
>>
>>
>>
>> I just bought CANON BRANDED samplers at Costco for $2.00 more per
>> cartridge. And I know that the ink is made specifically to maximize
>> the Canon printer and Canon Photo Paper Pro. I also know that the
>> entity that stands behind the product is very large and worldwide.
>>
>>> containing
>>> our Light Fast inks (up to 44 year display life) and are sold primarily
>>> for testing purposes before purchase of CRS or Refill Kits, however we
>>> sell many to customers who want quantity of cartridges with superior
>>> light resistance than cheaper generics, in a plug-n-play product. The
>>> CRU brand are sold at $2.49 each (in multipacks for about $1.99 each)
>>> and contain the non-light fast formulabs ink you tout so much, housed
>>> in the same cartridge body as the $6.99 cartridge, besides the
>>> different quality in ink (our inks are made entirely in the US by a US
>>> company,
>>
>>
>> And if that company is a major manufacturer/formulator company that
>> is BRANDED, their product must be sold and many different places.
>> And BRANDED products are usually advertised by the company as well as
>> many of the resellers. This does not appear to be the case. I a
>> company is selling a real BRANDED product and you ask them what brand
>> they are selling they will tell you. However. most of the companies
>> like your self say they are selling BRANDED but refrain from telling
>> you who manufactured the product. A real BRAND always discloses the
>> manufacturer. They go together to create the brand. A brand is much
>> more than placing some name on a product that is only sold in one place.
>>
>>> not in Mexico as with Sension inks) there is also the higher
>>> labor costs of making the UltraFLO cartridge in the US. We don't
>>> promote the CRU brand cartridges because we feel that the formulabs
>>> inks are not the optimum ink for use by those in need of professional
>>> quality inkjet prints and the color balance of the ink is not always
>>> correct, probably due to the various cartridge manufacturers using the
>>> inks and not Sension.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A BRANDED prefilled ink cartridge consists of a cartridge and ink.
>> It is always the same ink and always the same cartridge and it is
>> sold under a name. That is what makes it a brand. Selling one brand
>> of ink, another brand of cartridge and then using different sources
>> for refilling them cannot be a BRAND as I am referring to it. This
>> combination can be a generically named product that can vary as to
>> the refiller, the cartridge maker and the ink mfg.
>>
>>> 3. Well sell print heads primarily to overseas customers, and to
>>> MultiPass owners and they find the prices acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>> They must not be aware. Anyone, sorry if I offend some of you
>> readers, who buys a print head at a price (and then add a set of OEM
>> inks to that price) that will cost from almost as much to much more
>> than a new printer is beyond dumb. They are dumber than dumb.
>>
>>> However people
>>> using our UltraFLO for Canon cartridges essentially get 2 heads for the
>>> price of one as the warranty we offer on the heads allows them to
>>> exchange them every six months for a new one, so technically they are
>>> paying about $42.00 for a print head
>>
>>
>>
>> Then why don't you sell the Canon BRANDED print head for $42.00 a pop.
>>
>>> when they use our inks, which is
>>> about $17.00 cheaper than the $59.00 price. We reward customer loyalty
>>> in this regard.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you can find similar versions of most of our products elswhere
>>> cheaper elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> If they were REAL BRANDS I might be able to. What are the brands and
>> where can I go to compare prices?
>>
>>> People shop with us for consistency, support, and
>>> the variety of options we can offer. Not every one has time to price
>>> shop
>>
>>
>>
>> If they have the time to refill their own carts they have the time to
>> do a search at pricegrabber and price shop.
>>
>>> and they can call us for assistance for determining what works
>>> best for them.
>>>
>>> It has been commented by many that speak with me by phone that I am one
>>> of the most knowledgable people regarding all brands of desktop inkjet
>>> printers and they feel more comfortable paying us for products than
>>> other on-line companies who are often cheaper, mainly because they like
>>> that we seem to be experienced in this business and know what we are
>>> doing.
>>>
>>> We are probably one of the more expensive places on the web to buy
>>> certain products but we also offer variations of web products that
>>> aren't available "everywhere else" and We do try to take care of our
>>> customers as best we can.
>>>
>>> I've read some of your other posts here, measekite, and notice that you
>>> continually attack in your posts. I see posts like yours about us a
>>> couple of times a year, but I have been doing this for 13 years now, so
>>> I expect I will continue to see posts such as this by those like you,
>>> long into the future.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That was about the time of the first HP DeskJet when the only
>> alternative was HP.
>>
>>> And don't worry...I have no belief whatsoever that you would ever
>>> consider doing business with us,
>>
>>
>> You never know what the future will bring but when I can go to Costco
>> and buy Canon OEM Branded ink cartridges for $2.00 more than the
>> noname generic you are selling I cannot see any reason why I should
>> not have the original. If I use 3 full sets a year that amounts to
>> 15 carts with a difference of $30.00. That is not that much.
>>
>> Besides the reason I type like this has two purposes.
>> 1. To help people understand what they need to know so they do not
>> get screwed.
>>
>> 2. Any maybe to wake up the industry so that some
>> manufacturer/formulator will develop a high quality prefilled
>> cartridge under their own name and sell them wholesale to a number of
>> marketing outlets at good enough prices to compete with the OEM
>> goods. Then maybe you could walk into Office Depot or Staples and
>> see Canon, HP, Epson, and the other BRAND and also shop on-line for
>> the product as well.
>>
>> Many people are having all sort of problems using after market
>> generic noname supplies that are inconsistent from batch to batch. I
>> do admit that the OEMs are very substantially overpriced.
>>
>>> so save typing that in your response
>>> to this post.
>>>
>>>
>>>