| Quote : A few weeks ago, supercomputer maker Cray said that the next quarter or two might be a little bumpy, but that it was pretty confident that it would make its numbers for the year. And, apparently, with good reason. Yesterday, the company announced that it had landed a whopping $200 million deal to build an Opteron-based parallel supercomputer that runs a hyped-up version of Linux for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
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http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn061606-story02.html
It makes fun to see that some of the "intel supporters" shout out loud how 4-8 way servers aren't that "profitable" than 2s servers.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but the majority of a (true) supercomputer cost is interconnects and related parts. I would expect that the processors will end up costing Cray around $20-50 million. Mind you, that's no small change, but it isn't as exciting as you make it out to be.
| Quote : I don't mean to rain on your parade, but the majority of a (true) supercomputer cost is interconnects and related parts. I would expect that the processors will end up costing Cray around $20-50 million. Mind you, that's no small change, but it isn't as exciting as you make it out to be. |
K8L will change that.
K8L BOOYAH!! yes, the 4-core Desktop Arcetecture will bring in a new era of processing. It's almost like the Days of the Pentium and PCI release. Both these Intel technologys have soildred on until today. The K8L will have a reaction on the market just like those 2 ancient titans did when they came out 15+ years ago
| Quote : It makes fun to see that some of the "intel supporters" shout out loud how 4-8 way servers aren't that "profitable" than 2s servers. Laughing |
And who has said that troll? Thats what I thought.
You do, of course, recognise that doubling the cores, which a 2x2 board already has in effect, and a complete new interface, have absolutely nothing in common?
Synergy6
DUHH! i know most of whats going on. but i jsut fail to type anything that makes sense. the 4x4 might give you 2 socket 4 cores=8cores for K8L+ 4x4. and 2x2 ony give you a maximum of 2 socket one core or 2 cores. im not sure about the 2x2 for AMD but am sure that Intel has 2 socket 2 cores
Stop posting.
| Quote : A few weeks ago, supercomputer maker Cray said that the next quarter or two might be a little bumpy, but that it was pretty confident that it would make its numbers for the year. And, apparently, with good reason. Yesterday, the company announced that it had landed a whopping $200 million deal to build an Opteron-based parallel supercomputer that runs a hyped-up version of Linux for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
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http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn061606-story02.html
It makes fun to see that some of the "intel supporters" shout out loud how 4-8 way servers aren't that "profitable" than 2s servers.
How many profit centers are using super computers? Most are supported by the government directly or indirectly and don't come close to the money made in the private sector. Also sense Crey already uses AMD it would likely be cost prohibitive to switch to Intel no matter which performed better.
It's also important to remember that Intel is the market leader in servers and the desktop market. If the new products are proven to be as good as indications suggest and go unanswered they will regain some of the market share they have lost. The good thing for AMD is that servers stay online for three years or more so they have plenty of time to answer. In other words businesses don't upgrade server just because something better hit the market.
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confucius say: "Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Seriously 9-inch, these threads are much more effective when you don't add your usually illogical comment
They had to remove SSE to become profitable.
But the FPUs are sold apart...
This Cray supercomputer is expected to be delivered around 2008 with around 24,000 processor sockets (likely dual core). According to newegg.com, retail Opteron chips are anywhere from $168 to $1074 these days, this means around $4M to $26M worth of Opteron processors. This is not chump change mind you, but how many companies go out and build supercomputers these days? Also how does this apply to 2-socket or 4-socket server market anyways?
Incidentally, at top500.org, the current list of top supercomputers are (as of Nov 2005):
1 - BlueGene/L - eServer Blue Gene Solution (IBM)
2 - BGW - eServer Blue Gene Solution (IBM)
3 - ASC Purple - eServer pSeries p5 575 1.9Ghz (IBM)
4 - Columbia - SGI Altix 1.5 GHz, Voltaire Infiniband (SGI)
5 - Thunderbird - PowerEdge 1850, 3.6 GHz, Infiniband (Dell)
6 - Red Storm Cray XT3, 2.0 Ghz (Cray)
Note that #4 is built with Itanium processors, #5 is built with Xeon processors, and #6 is built with Opteron processors.
Here's an Tyan 8-processor Woodcrest supercomputer article. It would be interesting to see what other companies are getting on the Woodcrest bandwagon as launch day approaches.
| Quote : A few weeks ago, supercomputer maker Cray said that the next quarter or two might be a little bumpy, but that it was pretty confident that it would make its numbers for the year. And, apparently, with good reason. Yesterday, the company announced that it had landed a whopping $200 million deal to build an Opteron-based parallel supercomputer that runs a hyped-up version of Linux for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
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http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn061606-story02.html
It makes fun to see that some of the "intel supporters" shout out loud how 4-8 way servers aren't that "profitable" than 2s servers.
How many profit centers are using super computers? Most are supported by the government directly or indirectly and don't come close to the money made in the private sector. Also sense Crey already uses AMD it would likely be cost prohibitive to switch to Intel no matter which performed better.
It's also important to remember that Intel is the market leader in servers and the desktop market. If the new products are proven to be as good as indications suggest and go unanswered they will regain some of the market share they have lost. The good thing for AMD is that servers stay online for three years or more so they have plenty of time to answer. In other words businesses don't upgrade server just because something better hit the market.
Please! Stop trying to cloud the issue with facts when supposition and fanatic fanboyism are much more en-vogue. You'll just confuse 9 inch
| Quote : I would expect that the processors will end up costing Cray around $20-50 million. Mind you, that's no small change, but it isn't as exciting as you make it out to be. |
K8L will change that.What the $20-$50million part?....Now will cost $30-$75mil?
| Quote : A few weeks ago, supercomputer maker Cray said that the next quarter or two might be a little bumpy, but that it was pretty confident that it would make its numbers for the year. And, apparently, with good reason. Yesterday, the company announced that it had landed a whopping $200 million deal to build an Opteron-based parallel supercomputer that runs a hyped-up version of Linux for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
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http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn061606-story02.html
It makes fun to see that some of the "intel supporters" shout out loud how 4-8 way servers aren't that "profitable" than 2s servers.
Same article...
"The best guess is that the machine will have about 24,000 processor sockets"
Ok, lets assume they pay full pop at $2K per processor...
24,000 x 2,000 => $48,000
$48,000,000 Opeteron Sale
--------------------------------------------- => 0.12%
$40,000,000,000 annual Intel revenue
You are right, this changes everything.
Oh, and it's 9 centemeters, you got the metric conversion wrong...
Yes, it is a single sale for ~ $40million. I wonder how many sales like that, the average company does per year?
No matter how you look at it, a petaflop is rather impressive. I'm sure Intel is unhappy that thier "Intel Inside" sticker wont fit.
| Quote : A few weeks ago, supercomputer maker Cray said that the next quarter or two might be a little bumpy, but that it was pretty confident that it would make its numbers for the year. And, apparently, with good reason. Yesterday, the company announced that it had landed a whopping $200 million deal to build an Opteron-based parallel supercomputer that runs a hyped-up version of Linux for the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
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http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn061606-story02.html
It makes fun to see that some of the "intel supporters" shout out loud how 4-8 way servers aren't that "profitable" than 2s servers.
Good for them that means that they will earn 1.302b instead of 1.3b. for Q2.
Why do you care? What does this mean to you? Why should we drop everything we're doing just to entertain you, whether what you say is fact or crap?
Here's something: go away...
| Quote : Why do you care? What does this mean to you? Why should we drop everything we're doing just to entertain you, whether what you say is fact or crap?
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Why do you have to drop everything and entertain him. Nobody forced you to read this thread. The title was fairly self-explanatory. You don't like it, read something else. Simple....isn't it?
Im sure you wouldnt be nearly as happy if someone gave 200 million to YOU.
What's wrong guys? Didn't like the article??
All I get is Fanboy-crying instead of good posts that talks about the topic. 8)
Anyhow, here I brought more stuff to keep some of the fanboys crying out loud.
www.zdnet.com
| Quote : The world's first commercial one-petaflops supercomputer has been commissioned, Cray announced on Thursday.
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Ohh, I almost forgot:
Since no one is interested in supercomputers (like how trolls tend to preach about it), what the heck is going on nowadays?? 8O
"More Opteron Supercomputer Frenzy"
| Quote : Cadence Design Systems, a leader in electronic design automation (EDA) software, and AMD, a leader in advanced microprocessor technology and products, will collaborate with Rensselaer and IBM at the Supercomputing Center in advanced simulation and modeling of nanoelectronic devices and circuitry. This activity complements the ongoing joint R&D activity between IBM and AMD in East Fishkill and Albany developing advanced high performance Silicon on Insulator (SOI) semiconductor devices and manufacturing processes.
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| Quote : What's wrong guys? Didn't like the article??
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Ohh, I almost forgot:
Since no one is interested in supercomputers (like how trolls tend to preach about it), what the heck is going on nowadays?? 8O
"Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Orders Opteron Supercomputer"
| Quote : Cadence Design Systems, a leader in electronic design automation (EDA) software, and AMD, a leader in advanced microprocessor technology and products, will collaborate with Rensselaer and IBM at the Supercomputing Center in advanced simulation and modeling of nanoelectronic devices and circuitry. This activity complements the ongoing joint R&D activity between IBM and AMD in East Fishkill and Albany developing advanced high performance Silicon on Insulator (SOI) semiconductor devices and manufacturing processes.
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NASA uses Itaniums, but no one cares Cray uses Opterons but no one cares. I'm not too sure but it seems not alot of people care regardless of the fanboi status or not.
Well from a purely objective point of view Intel and AMD ae both leaders, seeing as they're sharing the market and both making superlative products...
You cant expect good posts when posting pure dipsh** yourself.
| Quote : What's wrong guys? Didn't like the article??
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Ohh, I almost forgot:
Since no one is interested in supercomputers (like how trolls tend to preach about it), what the heck is going on nowadays?? 8O
"Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Orders Opteron Supercomputer"
| Quote : Cadence Design Systems, a leader in electronic design automation (EDA) software, and AMD, a leader in advanced microprocessor technology and products, will collaborate with Rensselaer and IBM at the Supercomputing Center in advanced simulation and modeling of nanoelectronic devices and circuitry. This activity complements the ongoing joint R&D activity between IBM and AMD in East Fishkill and Albany developing advanced high performance Silicon on Insulator (SOI) semiconductor devices and manufacturing processes.
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8)
NASA uses Itaniums, but no one cares Cray uses Opterons but no one cares. I'm not too sure but it seems not alot of people care regardless of the fanboi status or not.
Well Google is faster, WOW can now expand almost infinitly, Pixar can make an entire movie in a month, and lucasfilm's is certainly enjoying the rendering power I can assure you. Useless post I know but sometimes these guys need a little help for the cause
Bottom line...Opty's DO make people everywhere happy
| Quote : What's wrong guys? Didn't like the article??
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Ohh, I almost forgot:
Since no one is interested in supercomputers (like how trolls tend to preach about it), what the heck is going on nowadays?? 8O
"Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Orders Opteron Supercomputer"
| Quote : Cadence Design Systems, a leader in electronic design automation (EDA) software, and AMD, a leader in advanced microprocessor technology and products, will collaborate with Rensselaer and IBM at the Supercomputing Center in advanced simulation and modeling of nanoelectronic devices and circuitry. This activity complements the ongoing joint R&D activity between IBM and AMD in East Fishkill and Albany developing advanced high performance Silicon on Insulator (SOI) semiconductor devices and manufacturing processes.
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8)
NASA uses Itaniums, but no one cares Cray uses Opterons but no one cares. I'm not too sure but it seems not alot of people care regardless of the fanboi status or not.
Well Google is faster, WOW can now expand almost infinitly, Pixar can make an entire movie in a month, and lucasfilm's is certainly enjoying the rendering power I can assure you. Useless post I know but sometimes these guys need a little help for the cause
Bottom line...Opty's DO make people everywhere happy
Bottom line is all HPC customers are happy, doesn't matter what processor they are useing.
"The 64-Bit Solution--AMD Solves SAP Migration Problems"
| Quote : With an extensive IT infrastructure based on SAP software, CLP Power Hong Kong found itself faced with multiple challenges when it tried to update its software and hardware and improve its speed in delivering customer-focused marketing campaigns. The answer came in a migration to an x86-based, 64-bit server platform.
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8)
| Quote : What's wrong guys? Didn't like the article??
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Ohh, I almost forgot:
Since no one is interested in supercomputers (like how trolls tend to preach about it), what the heck is going on nowadays?? 8O
"Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Orders Opteron Supercomputer"
| Quote : Cadence Design Systems, a leader in electronic design automation (EDA) software, and AMD, a leader in advanced microprocessor technology and products, will collaborate with Rensselaer and IBM at the Supercomputing Center in advanced simulation and modeling of nanoelectronic devices and circuitry. This activity complements the ongoing joint R&D activity between IBM and AMD in East Fishkill and Albany developing advanced high performance Silicon on Insulator (SOI) semiconductor devices and manufacturing processes.
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8)
NASA uses Itaniums, but no one cares Cray uses Opterons but no one cares. I'm not too sure but it seems not alot of people care regardless of the fanboi status or not.
Well Google is faster, WOW can now expand almost infinitly, Pixar can make an entire movie in a month, and lucasfilm's is certainly enjoying the rendering power I can assure you. Useless post I know but sometimes these guys need a little help for the cause
Bottom line...Opty's DO make people everywhere happy
Google runs low power clusters regardless of the CPU it has to meet their electrical requirements.
Yes those Opterons sure helped WoW still lack still sever crashes still login server downtime. It doesn’t matter what processor is in Blizzards clusters they are morons over there that have no clue on MMORG development, implementation, balancing. They hope WoW will hold strong with its odd 6million customers, less the 30k a month now that are leaving since the server issues got retarded in... Oh wait they have always been that way.
Pixar does what Disney tells them to they aren't "individual" in their content creation so in all fairness MIPS clusters to Opteron clusters is a no brainer, but the one month deal is really really over exaggerated.
Lucas Films suck too, let’s forget the story, dialog, and character development and do really cool special effect, that’s what people really want. Sadly some of us though Star Wars 1, 2, 3 should have been more to the lore from the novels and not Georges kiddy infatuation.
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