ATI Nomenclature Hierarchy

[mmc4587]

I am looking for a laptop with ATI graphics that will run OBLIVION.

I own a comp with NVIDA 6600gt.

How is it that the x800 gets better benchmarks than the x1600?

x600 worst?
x700
x800
x1300
x1400
x1600
x1800 best?

What the HECK is the deal?

Does the 1k signify that it has PCI-E archItecture?
while the others are based off AGP archItecture?

Did teh x600 come out the same time as the x1600 with one AGP and teh other PCI-E?

Could someone rank and explain ATI'S NOMENCATURE?

THANKS

 

[weilin]

its a generation thing. It used to be that when a new card comes out the previously fastest card would become mainstream and the new card would take its place. Now things have changed. when they release cards, they release a "family" of them. soo hte 9x00 series is a whole family. hte Xx00 serie is another family and hte X1x00 series is another family. the x300 has now been replased by the x1300 hte x600 is now replaced by the x1600 and hte x800 had been replaced by hte x1800/1900. Performance wise the older generation top cards will out perform the current generation mainstream cards so the x800 will beat a x1600. When you compare cards you have to compare them in their bracket (9800 vs x800 vs x1800 etc) I hope that answers your question.

Edit: oh ya.. there r pci express and agp versions of all families so ATI has no distinction.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I am looking for a laptop with ATI graphics that will run OBLIVION.

I own a comp with NVIDA 6600gt.

How is it that the x800 gets better benchmarks than the x1600?

The same way a GF6800 does better than a GF7300.

Does the 1k signify that it has PCI-E archItecture?
while the others are based off AGP archItecture?

No the X signifies PCIe (and come after the Radeon 9xxx series cards, thus the X for 10K, which makes it appropriate having X1K making it 11K), and at the time that started the PCX name signified PCIe for nV. The previous cards were Radeon 9xxx apg -> X### and FX5### -> PCX4###/5####

The X1K is generation as in X1#00 series veruse the X#00 series.

Next one might be X2#00 or something completely different.

Did teh x600 come out the same time as the x1600 with one AGP and teh other PCI-E?

No X600 was at the beginning of PCIe and X1600 is the latest generation.

If you read the buyer's guide you'll get an Idea,

But think of it like this in general terms.

X300<X1300<X550<X1400<X600<X700<X1600<X800<X1800<X1900.

 

[pengwin]

to answer ur question.

Go 7900 GTX i believe is the best laptop vid card, unless ATi has made one.

 

[Heyyou27]

ATI has the mobility X1800 XT, but it only has 12 pixel pipelines and would probably be outperformed by the Go 7900GTX.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

ATI has the mobility X1800 XT, but it only has 12 pixel pipelines and would probably be outperformed by the Go 7900GTX.

That's incorrect, the MRX1800XT is 16pipe, the plain MRX1800 is 12 pipes.

The only thing faster in Oblivion (since the X1900 is slow in making it to market) is the GF7900s in SLi.

 

[pengwin]

so yah nvidia still had majority of the control in the laptop market

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

so yah nvidia still had majority of the control in the laptop market

HuH? :|

Not by a long shot, they ARE improving but they're nowhere near ATi;

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060522074653.html

IGP (ie X200, plain Readeon IGP, GF6150/730):
The mobile graphics segment saw quarterly shipments decline just 0.2% and grow 31.2% year-over year. Integrated mobile shipments fell 1.3% sequentially but grew 55.7% annually.

Intel led the mobile graphics market with 53.3% share, ATI held 36.4% share, and Nvidia followed with 6.6% market share. As on the desktop side, ATI expanded its overall mobile market share on increased shipments of integrated graphics shipments for notebook platforms. In the discrete mobile segment, however, ATI saw shipments decline on a quarterly basis while Nvidia saw shipments increase sequentially.

Discrete (ie X1600 , GF7600):
Discrete mobile shipments grew 3.0% during the period but fell 8.6% compared to the same period the previous year. Discrete mobile was the only market segment to exhibit sequential growth during the first quarter, but was also the only segment to show a year-over-year decline in shipments. Nvidia grew discrete mobile segment share from 20.3% in Q4 2005 to 25.0% in Q1 2006. ATI's segment share fell from 79.2% in Q4 2005 to 74.6% in Q1 2006.

So 6 time nV's integrated sales, and 3 times their discrete sales. Me thinks you have your players backwards. :mrgreen:

Gotta go, game gonna start.

GO OILERS !!!

 

[pengwin]

i meant as in it hold the laptop arena with better gfx than ATi

nvidia mobile gfx cards are more pricey than ATi's thats why ATi has a larger market in laptops

 

[mmc4587]

its a generation thing...

Thanks Guys,
that helps alot!

-Pip

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

i meant as in it hold the laptop arena with better gfx than ATi

Guess that also depends on your idea of 'better graphics', I'd say they're close, but ATi wins on quality, and nV, like I mentioned, wins on power.

nvidia mobile gfx cards are more pricey than ATi's thats why ATi has a larger market in laptops

Actually I doubt that has much to do with it, if anything it's more a question of ATi has always leads the mobile field, and they are only slowly losing loyalties to nv. The other ATi advantage is their FlexFit strategy where their solution are compatible with others (including MXM), and even pin compatible from generation to generation (the MRX1300&X1400&X1600 are all pin compatible with the previous MRX700 solutions, so that becomes very attractive for the builders, not necessarily the consumer, because while I'd love to swap out my MRX700 with an X1600 (especially for Oblivion) it's not something that's easy to do (anyone got a spare MRX1600 handy? 8) ).

I have a feeling that the integrated market is about to vanish completely for Intel based solutions, so ATi and nV better hope AMD can make future Turions more attractive, because the GMA965/3000 is gonna rock for integrated, and I can't see anyone having a powerful enouh reason for people to switch to anyone else.