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June 18, 2006 3:11:27 PM

Hi everyone,
I have a task from my boss, he wants me to quote a price of a computer used for weeks/months of computing. I heard thatn intel conroe is pretty fast. the budget should be somewhere around $2500. I am not an intel nor amd fan boy. I just need it for my work. Shold I go for intel conroe or amd2 FX62? And where I can get these cpus / are they out yet? Thanks.

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June 18, 2006 3:23:04 PM

fx-62 is a waste 1,000$ pffff


Conroe "should" be able to out perform in many applications....

just wait for conroe and dont buy the fx-62
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June 18, 2006 3:29:19 PM

Conroe E6600 outperforms FX-62 in everyting and costs 3 times less, generates half heat and spends half energy. FX-62 also requires more expencive RAM to give its best. There is no objective reason for buying FX-62.
June 18, 2006 3:33:05 PM

There really is no question which chip is dominant. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a complete pathetic fanboy who is living in their own deluded world. Just look at the data and make the intelligent choice.

All tests performed with the same graphics cards, hard drives, memory, memory timings, and OS:









With Crossfire x1900s:


Cheers!
June 18, 2006 3:37:56 PM

Congtatulations this the first thread asking this on the forumz*Pats salamdami on the back*
June 18, 2006 3:51:53 PM

Thanks for the fast response. it seems conroe really is fast and recommended. Is it out yet? and where can I get it? On yahh one more thing, what are the chances this cpu catches on fire if I oc's it? Assuming the cooling system dies for no reason.....
This machine will be placed in my office. I dont think the system admin will let me to oc it but I will be persisten since this is not their PC. 2-3 days computation improvements, thats a huge benefit for my work. Thanks again for the super fast response.
June 18, 2006 3:57:48 PM

Leave the guy alone! I love salami.
June 18, 2006 4:04:42 PM

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Leave the guy alone! I love salami.
I know i was'nt being sarcastic i was joking with him.
June 18, 2006 4:05:24 PM

8O Fatty, greasy and smelly... oh and cheap too! :wink: Pass the pumpernickel... :lol: 
June 18, 2006 4:16:12 PM

Thanks for the info. I think I should have enought time until the released date. Once the proposal submitted and accepted, it will take some time for them to transfer the funds anyway. thanks for the patting/teasing....great response everyone.
June 18, 2006 4:50:41 PM

Wise choice to wait... It has been a while since a CPU upgrade actually meant that you really will have enough performance to satisfy most for 2 to 3 years out... and not be starved for MHz...
June 18, 2006 5:08:16 PM

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Thanks for the info. I think I should have enought time until the released date. Once the proposal submitted and accepted, it will take some time for them to transfer the funds anyway. thanks for the patting/teasing....great response everyone.
Your welcome and also welcome to the forumz.
June 18, 2006 5:42:51 PM

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Thanks for the info. I think I should have enought time until the released date. Once the proposal submitted and accepted, it will take some time for them to transfer the funds anyway. thanks for the patting/teasing....great response everyone.

Its not a good ideal to propose a yet unreleased technology. I would suggest waiting till the Core 2 Duo is out atleast 1 month and then do your own research. Your own research can then be used to justify your proposal and it should be research of a finished product.

At best your boss may ask for more research and at worst they go ahead with your proposal. Jobs have been lost for just this reason so back your self up with good research of a finished product.

By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.
June 18, 2006 6:56:52 PM

If ur boss wants u to get this PC for office work y get such a powerful chip?
June 18, 2006 7:40:19 PM

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Hi everyone,
I have a task from my boss, he wants me to quote a price of a computer used for weeks/months of computing. I heard thatn intel conroe is pretty fast. the budget should be somewhere around $2500. I am not an intel nor amd fan boy. I just need it for my work. Shold I go for intel conroe or amd2 FX62? And where I can get these cpus / are they out yet? Thanks.



The average "supposed authority" here would say that Core 2 is the way to go. I'm one of them for bragging rights. If you want a fast system, either one will work. The Core 2 IS faster but WHEN it's available maybe September for retail. PreBuilt systems will be available in the first week of July most likely. I'm sure Dell will outfit some of their models with it.

It's been awhile since ANYONE could recommend Intel over AMDs best but Core 2 changes that in benchmarks. My jury is till out on how it handles heavy use cases but for bragging rights as to the fastest benchmark perf, Core 2 is your best bet.

I'm on a 2-3 year upgrade schedule right now so I won't be buying AM2 or Core 2, but they are both ADEQUATE processors for modern workloads. The 5000+ looks much better though for the money since it has near-FX60 perf (some wins, some losses) and is $500 less.

Also, I just saw a Core 2 compat site (please don't ask for a link, I wouldn't lie) and it says that the Extreme 6800 isn't as compatible with existing mobos as the lower speed Core 2s. The Extreme is only supported by flashed 975X and 965 mobos.

I personally might opt for a 5000+ but that's because AMD was cheap when I needed them to be and their plaform is much more flexible than Intel's right now.
June 18, 2006 7:42:22 PM

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Conroe E6600 outperforms FX-62 in everyting and costs 3 times less, generates half heat and spends half energy. FX-62 also requires more expencive RAM to give its best. There is no objective reason for buying FX-62.


Especially when the 5000+ is right on it's heels for half the price and lower TDP. Believe me there are AMD choices vs. Conroe. Intel sold P4/PD for years being 1GHz inferior.
June 18, 2006 9:08:45 PM

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Conroe E6600 outperforms FX-62 in everyting and costs 3 times less, generates half heat and spends half energy. FX-62 also requires more expencive RAM to give its best. There is no objective reason for buying FX-62.


Especially when the 5000+ is right on it's heels for half the price and lower TDP. Believe me there are AMD choices vs. Conroe. Intel sold P4/PD for years being 1GHz inferior.
I don't belive you. Here is the price list for mid july, acording to Intel and AMD :
A64 FX-62 K8-AM2 2.8GHz/1MB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $1031
C2E X6800 Conroe 2.93GHz/4MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $999
PXE 965 Presler 3.73GHz/2MB L2 x2/1066MHz FSB/HT/DC $999
C2D E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz/4MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $530
A64 X2 5000+ K8-AM2 2.6GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $403
C2D E6600 Conroe 2.40GHz/4MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $316
PD 960 Presler 3.6GHz/2MB L2 x 2800MHz FSB/DC $316
A64 X2 4600+ K8-AM2 2.4GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $301
A64 X2 4200+ K8-AM2 2.2GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $240
C2D E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz/2MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $224
PD 950 Presler 3.4GHz/2MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/DC $224
C2D E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz/2MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $183
PD 940 Presler 3.2GHz/2MB L2 x 2800MHz FSB/DC $183
P4 661 CedarMill 3.6GHz/2MB L2/800MHz FSB/HT $183
A64 X2 3800+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $169
PD 945 Presler 3.4GHz/2MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/no VT/DC $163
P4 651 CedarMill 3.6GHz/2MB L2/800MHz FSB/HT $163
A64 3800+ K8-AM2 2.4GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $139
PD 915 Presler 2.8GHz/2MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/no VT/DC $133
PD 820 Smithfield2.8GHz/1MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/DC $113
A64 3500+ K8-AM2 2.2GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $109
SP 3600+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/256KB L2/1GHz HT $109
A64 3200+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $99
SP 3500+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/128KB L2/1GHz HT $97
PD 820 Smithfield 2.8GHz/1MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/DC $93
A64 3000+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $89
SP 3400+ K8-AM2 1.8GHz/256KB L2/1GHz HT $87
P4 541 Prescott 3.2GHz/1MB L2 /800MHz FSB/HT $84
SP 3200+ K8-AM2 1.8GHz/128KB L2/1GHz HT $77
P4 531 Prescott 3.0GHz/1MB L2/800MHz FSB/HT $74
CD356 CedarMill 3.33GHz/512KB L2/533MHz FSB $74
P4 524 Prescott 3.06GHz/1MB L2/533MHz FSB/HT $69
CD352 CedarMill 3.2GHz/512KB L2/533MHz FSB $69
CD355 Prescott 3.33GHz/256KB L2/533MHz FSB $69
SP 3000+ K8-AM2 1.6GHz/256KB L2/1GHz HT $67
CD351 Prescott 3.2GHz/256KB L2/533MHz FSB $59
CD346 Prescott 3.2GHz/256KB L2/533MHz FSB $49

E6400 is performing better than 5000+. E6400 will cost $224 at same time when the 5000+ price will drop to $403 or the 5000+ costs 80% more than same performing or better, E6400. How is that competetive?
X2 4200+ will be 240$ and is outperformed by E6300, which will be $183.
The X2 4200+ will be outperformed by the Pentium D 945 too, and the D 945 will cost $163 only. Is this competetive?

Let's see, which one will be better Sempron 3000+ 1.6GHz 256kB L2 sAM2 or Precott 3.2GHz 256kB L2?
The Sempron 3000+ will costs 35% more than the CD346. Competition..huh?

Or maybe we should compare their overclocking abilities?

I consider to buy E6400 2.4GHz and overclock it at 3.2GHz or +33.3% using air cooling only. Do you think I can oveclock any K8 dualcore by +33.3% using air cooling?

Anyway the topic is about FX-62 compared to Conroe. E6400 matches FX-62 with SLI DDR2 performance. FX-62 is 3 times more expencive than the E6400. That is so uncompetetive!
June 18, 2006 9:38:11 PM

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Conroe E6600 outperforms FX-62 in everyting and costs 3 times less, generates half heat and spends half energy. FX-62 also requires more expencive RAM to give its best. There is no objective reason for buying FX-62.


Especially when the 5000+ is right on it's heels for half the price and lower TDP. Believe me there are AMD choices vs. Conroe. Intel sold P4/PD for years being 1GHz inferior.
I don't belive you. Here is the price list for mid july, acording to Intel and AMD :
A64 FX-62 K8-AM2 2.8GHz/1MB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $1031
C2E X6800 Conroe 2.93GHz/4MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $999
PXE 965 Presler 3.73GHz/2MB L2 x2/1066MHz FSB/HT/DC $999
C2D E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz/4MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $530
A64 X2 5000+ K8-AM2 2.6GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $403
C2D E6600 Conroe 2.40GHz/4MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $316
PD 960 Presler 3.6GHz/2MB L2 x 2800MHz FSB/DC $316
A64 X2 4600+ K8-AM2 2.4GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $301
A64 X2 4200+ K8-AM2 2.2GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $240
C2D E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz/2MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $224
PD 950 Presler 3.4GHz/2MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/DC $224
C2D E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz/2MB L2/1066MHz FSB/DC $183
PD 940 Presler 3.2GHz/2MB L2 x 2800MHz FSB/DC $183
P4 661 CedarMill 3.6GHz/2MB L2/800MHz FSB/HT $183
A64 X2 3800+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/512KB L2 x2 /1GHz HT/DC $169
PD 945 Presler 3.4GHz/2MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/no VT/DC $163
P4 651 CedarMill 3.6GHz/2MB L2/800MHz FSB/HT $163
A64 3800+ K8-AM2 2.4GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $139
PD 915 Presler 2.8GHz/2MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/no VT/DC $133
PD 820 Smithfield2.8GHz/1MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/DC $113
A64 3500+ K8-AM2 2.2GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $109
SP 3600+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/256KB L2/1GHz HT $109
A64 3200+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $99
SP 3500+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/128KB L2/1GHz HT $97
PD 820 Smithfield 2.8GHz/1MB L2 x 2/800MHz FSB/DC $93
A64 3000+ K8-AM2 2.0GHz/512KB L2/1GHz HT $89
SP 3400+ K8-AM2 1.8GHz/256KB L2/1GHz HT $87
P4 541 Prescott 3.2GHz/1MB L2 /800MHz FSB/HT $84
SP 3200+ K8-AM2 1.8GHz/128KB L2/1GHz HT $77
P4 531 Prescott 3.0GHz/1MB L2/800MHz FSB/HT $74
CD356 CedarMill 3.33GHz/512KB L2/533MHz FSB $74
P4 524 Prescott 3.06GHz/1MB L2/533MHz FSB/HT $69
CD352 CedarMill 3.2GHz/512KB L2/533MHz FSB $69
CD355 Prescott 3.33GHz/256KB L2/533MHz FSB $69
SP 3000+ K8-AM2 1.6GHz/256KB L2/1GHz HT $67
CD351 Prescott 3.2GHz/256KB L2/533MHz FSB $59
CD346 Prescott 3.2GHz/256KB L2/533MHz FSB $49

E6400 is performing better than 5000+. E6400 will cost $224 at same time when the 5000+ price will drop to $403 or the 5000+ costs 80% more than same performing or better, E6400. How is that competetive?
X2 4200+ will be 240$ and is outperformed by E6300, which will be $183.
The X2 4200+ will be outperformed by the Pentium D 945 too, and the D 945 will cost $163 only. Is this competetive?

Let's see, which one will be better Sempron 3000+ 1.6GHz 256kB L2 sAM2 or Precott 3.2GHz 256kB L2?
The Sempron 3000+ will costs 35% more than the CD346. Competition..huh?

Or maybe we should compare their overclocking abilities?

I consider to buy E6400 2.4GHz and overclock it at 3.2GHz or +33.3% using air cooling only. Do you think I can oveclock any K8 dualcore by +33.3% using air cooling?

Anyway the topic is about FX-62 compared to Conroe. E6400 matches FX-62 with SLI DDR2 performance. FX-62 is 3 times more expencive than the E6400. That is so uncompetetive!

It's scary that you actually compiled this list, but...

I already admitted that the Extreme is better than the FX62 at the SAME PRICE POINT. I would compare the 6700 to the 5000+ and that's a win for Core 2 but not a total blowout. We'll have to see what the price of Core 2 systems is before we say there's a "changing of the guard." Before 65nm Intel was being dragged around like they wre Cyrix.

5000+ and 4800+ are going to be hard to pass up for people who don't know what 4 issue, single cycle SSE means. We're talking about people who are inBest Buy for a new college student system or XMas present. Retailers are responding to the sales of AMD systems and those stores are packed with them. I'll check out a couple next weekend to see if AM2 systems are popping up.



As far as the future, AMDs strategy could allow them to widen K8 to L, M, etc. as they shrink the process. 45nm would actually fit 4 FPUs wher 65nm is scheduled for 2.

Intel's next architecture is set for 2008 and keeping to that improvements in AM2/K8L would cause Intel tostart the clock speed war again - if these improvements translate to an estimated 40% over current Revs.

CPUs are so much fun.
June 18, 2006 9:43:18 PM

The list is copied and pasted.
June 18, 2006 9:44:15 PM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.
June 18, 2006 9:47:42 PM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.

It will replace the PowerMac, yes. Though it will not be called the PowerMac, it is likely to be called "Mac Pro". You'll probably have to wait until August during the WWDC to find out more about it, as Apple is pretty good at protecting it's product info. Anything posted about it is speculation. Folks don't even know whether it is Woodcrest or Conroe based, yet.

Cheers!
June 18, 2006 10:35:08 PM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.

It will replace the PowerMac, yes. Though it will not be called the PowerMac, it is likely to be called "Mac Pro". You'll probably have to wait until August during the WWDC to find out more about it, as Apple is pretty good at protecting it's product info. Anything posted about it is speculation. Folks don't even know whether it is Woodcrest or Conroe based, yet.

Cheers!
I dont see Apple giving Dell, Gatway, HP, ect... a full month before they release their PowerMac Core 2 duo.
June 18, 2006 10:35:16 PM

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The list is copied and pasted.



Link please.
June 18, 2006 10:41:04 PM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.

It will replace the PowerMac, yes. Though it will not be called the PowerMac, it is likely to be called "Mac Pro". You'll probably have to wait until August during the WWDC to find out more about it, as Apple is pretty good at protecting it's product info. Anything posted about it is speculation. Folks don't even know whether it is Woodcrest or Conroe based, yet.

Cheers!
I dont see Apple giving Dell, Gatway, HP, ect... a full month before they release their PowerMac Core 2 duo.

FYI, It isn't a full month. Conroe is released July 23rd, and the WWCD Keynote is on August 7th, so it is only 2 weeks. We could see it announced earlier, but Steve Jobs tend to like to announce major new products during his keynote addresses.

Don't underestimate the power of Steve Jobs wanting the spotlight. :) 
June 18, 2006 10:46:02 PM

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The Core 2 IS faster but WHEN it's available maybe September for retail. PreBuilt systems will be available in the first week of July most likely. I'm sure Dell will outfit some of their models with it.


Are you saying, that the New Conroe CPU's will not be available for purchase until September, and that Dell, HP and companies will be able to offer them in July?

That right? :roll:
June 18, 2006 10:50:19 PM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.

It will replace the PowerMac, yes. Though it will not be called the PowerMac, it is likely to be called "Mac Pro". You'll probably have to wait until August during the WWDC to find out more about it, as Apple is pretty good at protecting it's product info. Anything posted about it is speculation. Folks don't even know whether it is Woodcrest or Conroe based, yet.

Cheers!
I dont see Apple giving Dell, Gatway, HP, ect... a full month before they release their PowerMac Core 2 duo.

FYI, It isn't a full month. Conroe is released July 23rd, and the WWCD Keynote is on August 7th, so it is only 2 weeks. We could see it announced earlier, but Steve Jobs tend to like to announce major new products during his keynote addresses.

Don't underestimate the power of Steve Jobs wanting the spotlight. :) 
That would cause Apple to loss alot of early shoppers and atleast half of those who plan on buying Core 2 duo's for the next 2 or 3 months. I truly dont see Apple waiting. Steve may save the extreame 2.93 E6800 for the WWCD.
June 18, 2006 11:02:50 PM

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The Core 2 IS faster but WHEN it's available maybe September for retail. PreBuilt systems will be available in the first week of July most likely. I'm sure Dell will outfit some of their models with it.


Are you saying, that the New Conroe CPU's will not be available for purchase until September, and that Dell, HP and companies will be able to offer them in July?

That right? :roll:


Yep, that's right. I actually have it a month early because the server chip is due in June and the desktop is due the end of July, so it will be mid Sep, early October becase Intel is ot ramping up Core 2 immediately and only 3-10% of their inventory will be Core 2 in August when the mobile chip is due.
June 19, 2006 12:07:08 AM

Baron, I'm not sure where you are getting that info, but you might wanna get a new Magic 8 Ball.

:roll:
June 19, 2006 12:31:53 AM

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Baron, I'm not sure where you are getting that info, but you might wanna get a new Magic 8 Ball.

:roll:



So you're saying Intel is not planning to have Core 2 around 40% of their inventory in Q107? That extrapolated translates to 3-10% in August when Meron releases. It could be more, it could be less, but NewEgg or Monarch won't see many for awhile.
June 19, 2006 12:58:38 AM

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Thanks for the fast response. it seems conroe really is fast and recommended. Is it out yet? and where can I get it? On yahh one more thing, what are the chances this cpu catches on fire if I oc's it? Assuming the cooling system dies for no reason.....
This machine will be placed in my office. I dont think the system admin will let me to oc it but I will be persisten since this is not their PC. 2-3 days computation improvements, thats a huge benefit for my work. Thanks again for the super fast response.


The CPU will never catch on fire, as long as you have liquid cooling for it. Liquid cooling means that you place the motherboard in a bucket of water. The water will effectively put out any fires that occur when the CPU is overclocked. Just be careful not to electrocute yourself; water and electricity don't mix very well. And watch out for open elevator shafts; I hear they're a magnet for your kind. *idiot*
June 19, 2006 1:10:25 AM

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Baron, I'm not sure where you are getting that info, but you might wanna get a new Magic 8 Ball.

:roll:



So you're saying Intel is not planning to have Core 2 around 40% of their inventory in Q107? That extrapolated translates to 3-10% in August when Meron releases. It could be more, it could be less, but NewEgg or Monarch won't see many for awhile.
#1 I'm guessing you are basing your assumptions on that Intel roadmap that was leaked 2 months ago and is out of date.

but ignoring that.

#2 It does not "extrapolate" to 3-10% of inventory in August. You are doing a simple linear extrapolation of inventory levels starting at zero on launch? And yet you still claim you are an "analyst"? You need a new job man, because that shows some very poor analytical skills. As you should know, Intel flooded the channel with Pentiums in the past quarter, meaning they made too many. They learn from this and adjust their plans. They have been churning out Stepping 5 Conroes and Woodcrests for weeks now making sure they have a good inventory at launch. Intel is currently at 20-30% inventory levels for Core 2 chips, and that counts all of their fabs including the old 130nm and 90nm ones that are being used to make mobo and wireless chipsets. That that means their 2.5 current 65nm fabs are probably heavy on Core 2 production. But we'll have to wait and see who has em on July 23rd. Unlike you I'm not going to claim any specific numbers. But at least try to make reasonably informed statements.

Both Intel and AMD have very smart people and systems in place to control Fab output. They will try to make the most profitable decisions possible based on the information and analysis they have access too, if you think they will do anything else, you are incorrect. Simple as that. Seriously think about what you are claiming. Do you seriously think that only 3-10% of Intel's fab capacity will be devoted to their new flagship processors across all three market segments in August?

And just for fun, here's 189 retail stepping Core 2 Duo E6700s:
June 19, 2006 1:17:52 AM

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I personally might opt for a 5000+ but that's because AMD was cheap when I needed them to be


So what you're saying is that now that Intel is faster and faster per dollar, you'd ignore performance and value and live in the past?

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and their plaform is much more flexible than Intel's right now.


Be specifric.
June 19, 2006 1:35:03 AM

Conroe.
June 19, 2006 1:35:09 AM

lol, bartonmatrix owned again. Its such a regular thing nowadays.
June 19, 2006 1:55:50 AM

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And just for fun, here's 189 retail stepping Core 2 Duo E6700s:
I want those... :( 
June 19, 2006 2:04:08 AM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.
No links yet, just rumors, hehe. :twisted:

June 19, 2006 2:05:42 AM

Since you said this is for work..........what kind of work exactly will you be doing with this machine that your boss wants you to built??

If it's just for word processing and surfing the net, I'd say that $2500 budget is an overkill...........

If it's needed for graphics, 3Dmax or Photoshop kinda stuff........then you should carefully pick your parts..........in this case, you'd probably better off concentrate your budget on a quality display and graphic card, the CPU is important as well but I just dont see the need to get the absolute fastest..................

The fastest is only valid for 3 months (if that) on the market till somethings else comes along to replace it.........thats how its been for the past 2 years.

Dont buy too much into the hype.........BUY WHAT YOU NEED!!!!!
June 19, 2006 2:11:27 AM

Lol, welcome to the real world... where most "bosses" always get overkill computers even if they are just using it for surfing the web and outlook, lol.

:p 
June 19, 2006 2:27:46 AM

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And just for fun, here's 189 retail stepping Core 2 Duo E6700s:

*Jaw dropping*
June 19, 2006 2:53:10 AM

It is also been widely know to be a paper launch... yields are low, and Intel is having trouble binning chips that will run higher than 2GHz for multiple hours concurrent, due to heat issues...
Some of this will be resolved when they go to 45nm. :cry:  Prices are for lots of 10,000, retail will be 50% more than posted by Intel. 8O
June 19, 2006 3:33:16 AM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.
No links yet, just rumors, hehe. :twisted:


Why would you need a link to tell you Apples going to use the fasted CPU their CPU maker is making? Thats like needing a link to tell you Gateway or Dell will sale Core 2 Duo's.

Apple moved to Intel to get a faster CPU so do you think their going to stick to the current Core Duo's? Apple knows they can take market share from all the PC vendors because their systems can run everything PC's can and more. What better time to really shake up the market than the Core 2 Duo lunch.
June 19, 2006 3:46:28 AM

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Since you said this is for work..........what kind of work exactly will you be doing with this machine that your boss wants you to built??

If it's just for word processing and surfing the net, I'd say that $2500 budget is an overkill...........

If it's needed for graphics, 3Dmax or Photoshop kinda stuff........then you should carefully pick your parts..........in this case, you'd probably better off concentrate your budget on a quality display and graphic card, the CPU is important as well but I just dont see the need to get the absolute fastest..................

The fastest is only valid for 3 months (if that) on the market till somethings else comes along to replace it.........thats how its been for the past 2 years.

Dont buy too much into the hype.........BUY WHAT YOU NEED!!!!!


To build a Core 2 Duo yourself I dont see you getting your hands on a CPU until early september as all the PC makers will be sucking up all they can get their hands on.
June 19, 2006 6:03:38 AM

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Since you said this is for work..........what kind of work exactly will you be doing with this machine that your boss wants you to built??

If it's just for word processing and surfing the net, I'd say that $2500 budget is an overkill...........

If it's needed for graphics, 3Dmax or Photoshop kinda stuff........then you should carefully pick your parts..........in this case, you'd probably better off concentrate your budget on a quality display and graphic card, the CPU is important as well but I just dont see the need to get the absolute fastest..................

The fastest is only valid for 3 months (if that) on the market till somethings else comes along to replace it.........thats how its been for the past 2 years.

Dont buy too much into the hype.........BUY WHAT YOU NEED!!!!!


To build a Core 2 Duo yourself I dont see you getting your hands on a CPU until early september as all the PC makers will be sucking up all they can get their hands on.

i respectfully disagree, Sure OEM's will be stocking up on new parts, but they will also have a product mix that includes non-core 2 duo processors, and they only buy a certain amount at a time, not all they can get.

Apart from that i believe Intel will ensure that their parts are available in retail at launch, cause if you look at their marketing so far, its been directed towards ppl like us, ppl who build their own pcs, not ppl who see a dell ad on tv and think "ooooh nice computer!" .

I think Intel means to wow us, cause "we" are the influencers to general consumers. everyone has their personal nerd they go to for tech info/advice, and we are that to ppl we know, i thin Intel wants us to get us to market for them, just as it worked for AMD, cause i dont think anyone here doubts Intel's marketing dept has analysed AMD's rise to popularity in the absence of grand media marketing.

....of course this is just an opinion.....
June 19, 2006 6:41:00 AM

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Lol, welcome to the real world... where most "bosses" always get overkill computers even if they are just using it for surfing the web and outlook, lol.

:p 


This I know, but to have the fastest CPU is just not necessary!!!

Since your boss sounds like he knows nothing about PCs, why not just get him one of those $720 rigs with a Pentium D 805 in it and tell him, "Yeah~~ this is the bomb, baby". Pentium D 805 is going to run all the word processing and net surfing at a blistering pace anyway....he aint gonna know the difference!!

Rest of the budget can go to buying more memory and a decent/ high end display if you wish and you should still have left overs if you dont go too overboard!!!
June 19, 2006 6:45:05 AM

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By the way Apple will be comming out with its own Core 2 Duo system which, will run both Apple's OS and XP, giving your company more software choices.


Hey do you have any links for that? I'm very interested. That's going to be the new PowerMac, right? Thanks much.
No links yet, just rumors, hehe. :twisted:


Why would you need a link to tell you Apples going to use the fasted CPU their CPU maker is making? Thats like needing a link to tell you Gateway or Dell will sale Core 2 Duo's.

Apple moved to Intel to get a faster CPU so do you think their going to stick to the current Core Duo's? Apple knows they can take market share from all the PC vendors because their systems can run everything PC's can and more. What better time to really shake up the market than the Core 2 Duo lunch.

I was hoping for a link that would divulge more details. I'm waiting for Apple to come out with something I can use as the center of a digital home entertainment center. I want to replace my vcr, tape deck, CD/DVD player, and graphic equalizer. I also want the thing to drive my future HDTV screen. Maybe that's too much info to expect from a "rumor link", but at this point I'm desperate enough to read anything :D 
June 19, 2006 8:00:44 AM

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And just for fun, here's 189 retail stepping Core 2 Duo E6700s:


That picture is like porn. 8O Like a pic of 2 chicks going at it. Making me drool. :wink:
June 19, 2006 8:27:37 AM

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And just for fun, here's 189 retail stepping Core 2 Duo E6700s:

gimme some drugs :tongue:
June 19, 2006 12:48:08 PM

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And just for fun, here's 189 retail stepping Core 2 Duo E6700s:


That picture is like porn. 8O Like a pic of 2 chicks going at it. Making me drool. :wink: Dude don't be like Ycon when he locks himself in his room and brings out the lube.
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