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June 19, 2006 1:25:02 AM

hey i have a 3800+ venice on a asus a8n-e mobo,using two sticks of corsair pc4400 i got it up to 269x10 at a vcore of 1.525.
im happy with the result the ram runs at 1:1 ratio and with my arctic freezer my temps never go above 45 degrees at full load.
my question is how long will my motherboard be able to keep this up?
i have had it running for a full week but in the back of my mind im not sure if i want to risk taking out a motherboard.

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June 19, 2006 2:19:49 AM

ASUS boards generally handle OCing well. Also, ASUS MBs come with 3 year warranties, so I wouldn't really worry.
June 19, 2006 2:20:58 AM

Please don't take this the wrong way, but OCing is for ENTHUSIASTS. I intentional highlighted that word. You should never put your rig at jepoardy by OCing. TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics. The articles are for entertainment only and should not be replicated.

I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.
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June 19, 2006 3:05:05 AM

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Please don't take this the wrong way, but OCing is for ENTHUSIASTS. I intentional highlighted that word. You should never put your rig at jepoardy by OCing. TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics. The articles are for entertainment only and should not be replicated.

I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.


Yeah, my friend decided to cool his rig with an anti-matter conversion chamber and accidentally created an absolute zero environment. It was at this juncture that the universe ceased to exist. Thankfully, the almighty Parallax reignited the sun and saved all of humanity.
Save tripping on LSD and not knowing whether or not to ingest your power supply, I don't see how you could seriously physically injure yourself. And if someone gets hurt super-giga bad, well then +10 points for natural selection.
June 19, 2006 3:35:33 AM

Dude, he's not working on a Super Collider.
Unless you have a Dell, which it sounds like you do, overclocking has become factory supported with good hardware.
Were you been ?
June 19, 2006 3:39:38 AM

Just make sure you have good cooling on all components.
Too high and Radiation becomes a consideration, jk.
June 19, 2006 3:40:13 AM

Oh, I assume the 45C for the CPU right? What are the temps for the MB chipset? Keeping that cool plays an important role as well.
June 19, 2006 3:52:41 AM

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Yeah, my friend decided to cool his rig with an anti-matter conversion chamber and accidentally created an absolute zero environment. It was at this juncture that the universe ceased to exist. Thankfully, the almighty Parallax reignited the sun and saved all of humanity.
Save tripping on LSD and not knowing whether or not to ingest your power supply, I don't see how you could seriously physically injure yourself. And if someone gets hurt super-giga bad, well then +10 points for natural selection.
What speed did he hit? :lol: 
June 19, 2006 3:57:55 AM

To answer your question with overclocking there is no definite time frame. Since you are pushing your components out of spec. One thing I have heard is that the average life of a CPU is approximately 10 years. Typically processors are designed with a 10% overhead. That overhead is there to allow for warmer or more moist atmospheres.

As for why large companies are overclocking and offering warranties it is because no one actually keeps their PC for 10 years. So who cares if your hardware only lasts five years, or even three years. Often times overclocked hardware only comes with a one year warranty anyways.

I have had my PC since December of 2002. It is an Athlon XP 2500+ (166x11) which is running at 215x10.5 on an Asus A7N8X-DELUXE rev 2.0. So my percentage overclock is about the same as yours. I'm just now starting to have issues with the motherboard.

At the same time I'm just about ready for an upgrade anyways, so if it quits working I don't particularly care.

My advice is if you plan on keeping your PC for more than three years you probably shouldn't overclock it.
June 19, 2006 4:02:20 AM

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Please don't take this the wrong way, but OCing is for ENTHUSIASTS. I intentional highlighted that word. You should never put your rig at jepoardy by OCing. TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics. The articles are for entertainment only and should not be replicated.

I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.


There are dangers every where these days.
People get hurt at home just as much they get injured out and about!!

You're thinking too much about this OCing thing........
Read what he is asking......he's merely asking if OCing will mess up his board and you're telling him, forget the board, it will kill you!!!!

I'd say if you want to OC and your CPU has the potential to do so, why not? Just make sure you have quality parts such as power supply, RAM, etc...........
Good power supplies these days all come with some kind of circuit breaker kinda thing where if anything goes wrong, it will just cut off the electricity.

So dont expect cheap parts to OC well or have other functionalities........
In terms of degradation, I think in some ways it does cause it to degrade a little but with technology changing so fast these days and Microsoft making you to upgrade.............you're likely to buy a new PC once every 2 years anyway!!

First signs of degradation is when your stable OC settings becmoes unstable!

It will still work, just tune it down a little!!!
June 19, 2006 4:07:02 AM

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Please don't take this the wrong way, but OCing is for ENTHUSIASTS. I intentional highlighted that word. You should never put your rig at jepoardy by OCing. TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics. The articles are for entertainment only and should not be replicated.

I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.


Yeah, my friend decided to cool his rig with an anti-matter conversion chamber and accidentally created an absolute zero environment. It was at this juncture that the universe ceased to exist. Thankfully, the almighty Parallax reignited the sun and saved all of humanity.
Save tripping on LSD and not knowing whether or not to ingest your power supply, I don't see how you could seriously physically injure yourself. And if someone gets hurt super-giga bad, well then +10 points for natural selection.

WTF ......

jesus lives !
June 19, 2006 4:07:31 AM

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Please don't take this the wrong way, but OCing is for ENTHUSIASTS. I intentional highlighted that word. You should never put your rig at jepoardy by OCing. TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics. The articles are for entertainment only and should not be replicated.

I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.


I felt bad for everyone slagging you after your original post. So I decided to find a video that can demonstrate the how someone can get physically hurt by overclocking.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054&q=duron
June 19, 2006 4:17:20 AM

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Yeah, my friend decided to cool his rig with an anti-matter conversion chamber and accidentally created an absolute zero environment. It was at this juncture that the universe ceased to exist. Thankfully, the almighty Parallax reignited the sun and saved all of humanity.
Save tripping on LSD and not knowing whether or not to ingest your power supply, I don't see how you could seriously physically injure yourself. And if someone gets hurt super-giga bad, well then +10 points for natural selection.
What speed did he hit? :lol: 

He hit a wall at Mach 19.


As for Jesus living, I'll let you be the judge of that 8)


And in response to that cpu rocket, I'm thinking that'll be the next big thing to hit store shelves? Say, 8 and up. Could be huge like super soakers or something. CPU LAUNCHER SP5000!!!
June 19, 2006 4:17:31 AM

Quote:
Please don't take this the wrong way, but OCing is for ENTHUSIASTS. I intentional highlighted that word. You should never put your rig at jepoardy by OCing. TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics. The articles are for entertainment only and should not be replicated.

I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.


I felt bad for everyone slagging you after your original post. So I decided to find a video that can demonstrate the how someone can get physically hurt by overclocking.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054&q=duron


Hey, a pentium 75 (thats 75MHz pentium 1) would melt motherboards if the fan failed. Of course, in those days we were just getting used to needing fans......
June 19, 2006 4:32:53 AM

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Please don't take this the wrong way, but OCing is for ENTHUSIASTS. I intentional highlighted that word. You should never put your rig at jepoardy by OCing. TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics. The articles are for entertainment only and should not be replicated.

I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.


I felt bad for everyone slagging you after your original post. So I decided to find a video that can demonstrate the how someone can get physically hurt by overclocking.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054&q=duron

Thanks for the laugh. Anyone with these two brainiacs' brain power should qualify for the Darwin awards.

OC a 2GHz cpu to 3.8GHz and then removing the heat sink. Can you be more idiotic - nope, think not.

OC only degrades the CPU / MB if the temperature gets out of control So if you keep it cool, you will be upgrading long before the MB / CPU dies on you.

45C sound just fine You should be OK all the way to about 60C. Above that the CPU life will be affected quite a lot - also see to it that you cool the MB chipset and the RAM.

Many people forget to cool their OCed RAM which fails very quickly - RAM draws huge amounts of current and get quite HOT. You will see that most 'High Performance RAM is covered with AL heat sinks to dissipate the heat
June 19, 2006 5:03:39 AM

look its jesus !




hi everybody !












man im bored
June 19, 2006 5:08:59 AM

A duron rocket would be pretty sweet. If you took the pins off the bottom and started firing them you could get some pretty good shrapnel.

vhawk, I agree with everything you said except for:
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OC only degrades the CPU / MB if the temperature gets out of control


That is mostly true. In fact about 90% true. But since i'm pedantic about these things.... proper cooling will make the CPU/MB/RAM last longer than if it was improperly cooled, but will still have a shorter life than something running at stock. Of course hardware running at stock with better cooling will outlast stock hardware with stock cooling.....
June 19, 2006 5:13:35 AM

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hey i have a 3800+ venice on a asus a8n-e mobo,using two sticks of corsair pc4400 i got it up to 269x10 at a vcore of 1.525.
im happy with the result the ram runs at 1:1 ratio and with my arctic freezer my temps never go above 45 degrees at full load.
my question is how long will my motherboard be able to keep this up?
i have had it running for a full week but in the back of my mind im not sure if i want to risk taking out a motherboard.


i have that board, and i have to say the stock chipset cooler is pretty shoddy noise-wise. nice board, get a better chipset cooler - especially if overclocking.

i'm a fan of zalman myself, all my cooling (cept for the case fans) is zalman.
June 19, 2006 5:44:03 AM

Overclock or DIE!! That is the way of us ENTHUSIASTS :twisted:
June 19, 2006 7:01:57 AM

You've been on a crappy-posting spree haven't you?
June 19, 2006 7:24:56 AM

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It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.
So true. When the twist ties, that Tom's recommends you secure your northbridge fan with, let go, the fan will go spinning right through your nice case window, and the plexiglass shards will get in your eyes. Then the fan will land on your foot and,while still spinning, chew up your poor toes.
Maybe SNL should do a skit on the dangers of O/Cing....would be funny. :roll:
June 19, 2006 7:27:13 AM

In that first video did I see it right? Did he really have the core voltage at 4.2V??? I think from now on whenever I see someone break their machine due to overclocking I'm going to say extreme in a french accent.
June 19, 2006 7:42:45 AM

no that whole video was a fake. gotta admit it really is funny the first few times
June 19, 2006 9:07:28 AM

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To answer your question with overclocking there is no definite time frame. Since you are pushing your components out of spec. One thing I have heard is that the average life of a CPU is approximately 10 years. Typically processors are designed with a 10% overhead. That overhead is there to allow for warmer or more moist atmospheres.

As for why large companies are overclocking and offering warranties it is because no one actually keeps their PC for 10 years. So who cares if your hardware only lasts five years, or even three years. Often times overclocked hardware only comes with a one year warranty anyways.

I have had my PC since December of 2002. It is an Athlon XP 2500+ (166x11) which is running at 215x10.5 on an Asus A7N8X-DELUXE rev 2.0. So my percentage overclock is about the same as yours. I'm just now starting to have issues with the motherboard.

At the same time I'm just about ready for an upgrade anyways, so if it quits working I don't particularly care.

My advice is if you plan on keeping your PC for more than three years you probably shouldn't overclock it.


Even at stock setting every ASUS board I have had dies around that same 3 year mark...the caps die.

I started useing DFI board this year becuse of better parts they use (the caps) and also fide they OC better.

By they way PSU's suffer from the same problems of MB's in respect to the caps.
June 19, 2006 1:09:58 PM

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no that whole video was a fake. gotta admit it really is funny the first few times

Yeah...... it was a fake. I posted it just for laughs. SunAngel just made overclocking sound like the ultimate death sport so I mean what happened IS a POSSIBILITY, it's unlikely, but still a possibility.

The guys in that video are idiots, the kind I get at my store. If you actually listen closely you can hear a firecracker or some sort of small explosive go off underneath the CPU.
June 19, 2006 1:22:10 PM

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Even at stock setting every ASUS board I have had dies around that same 3 year mark...the caps die.

I started useing DFI board this year becuse of better parts they use (the caps) and also fide they OC better.

By they way PSU's suffer from the same problems of MB's in respect to the caps.


That's really weird. Atleast the Asus boards I have are still going strong. I still have my Asus K7V.. you know.... running a Slot A 750 and it's going strong. No issues yet and it's been 7.5.... maybe 8 years now? My old A7V333 is still going strong too.

I've heard the same thing about DFI's. I would be interested to see how long it lasts. I know a few MSI's I have built for people and myself have an average lifespan of 3 weeks. Out of 6 boards 5 failed within 2-3 weeks and one has made it to the 4 year mark now.

Personally I just won't budge from Asus. They've been too good to me. This A7N8X is the first one to start having issues, and for the way I treat it, it's a miracle it works at all.
June 19, 2006 1:36:24 PM

cheers for responses all,im impressed with the replies,yes my cpu doesnt go above 45 degrees c so that is fine, the only thing that concerns me now is possibly cooling the chipset as most have said the stock cooler is ok but may not last. ive been using speedfan to detect the temps, the motherboard temp stays at 33 degrees i have one other eading that i think is probably the chipset but im not sure it goes to 37 degrees at full load. i tried using mbm 5 but couldnt find my mobo on there. the ram has a heat spreader its good stuff http://www.bleedinedge.com/reviews/memory/corsair_twinx...
i am only planning to have this for a couple of years then upgrade,im already thinking of getting a cheap 3800 x2 when they introduce price cuts so im not bothered about the cpu lifetime!
i am going to look for a nice quite chipset cooler now
thanks all very helpfull
June 19, 2006 1:56:43 PM

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Overclock or DIE!!


Sometimes they go hand in hand...
June 19, 2006 2:32:29 PM

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cheers for responses all,im impressed with the replies,yes my cpu doesnt go above 45 degrees c so that is fine, the only thing that concerns me now is possibly cooling the chipset as most have said the stock cooler is ok but may not last. ive been using speedfan to detect the temps, the motherboard temp stays at 33 degrees i have one other eading that i think is probably the chipset but im not sure it goes to 37 degrees at full load. i tried using mbm 5 but couldnt find my mobo on there. the ram has a heat spreader its good stuff http://www.bleedinedge.com/reviews/memory/corsair_twinx...
i am only planning to have this for a couple of years then upgrade,im already thinking of getting a cheap 3800 x2 when they introduce price cuts so im not bothered about the cpu lifetime!
i am going to look for a nice quite chipset cooler now
thanks all very helpfull


In my opinion, with temperatures like that you have nothing to worry about. Overclock with confidence and be happy.
June 19, 2006 4:10:27 PM

yes i was thinking i should be ok,but im not sure as to whether the 36-7 degrees is the chipset or not,using speedfan is hard becuase it doesnt tell you exactly what the temp your measuring is. in the bios it show mobo temp and cpu temp,no mention of chipset temp.anyone know of other good software for detecting temps? cheers
June 19, 2006 5:23:01 PM

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TG and THG are professionals and understand electrical engineer and thermohydrodynamics.


All THG guy are professional thermohydrodynamics engineers


WTF you're talking about.
I admit it, thermodynamics would not have been as impressive
June 19, 2006 6:27:30 PM

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I pray that one day TG and the mods start using disclaimers when commenting on OCing. It may sound far fetched, but eventually someone is going to get seriously physically hurt. Its not a matter of how, but when.


Wow this is what you pray for? Considering your post, you either work for Intel or AMD or you have alot of more important issues you need to pray for.

Maybe everyone should hire a professional to turn their computers on for them. Sometimes there is a gap between the button and the case. If you push it the wrong way your skin could get pinched in the gap. Someone could get seriously hurt. It's not a matter of how, but when.
June 19, 2006 6:56:57 PM

In that case go nuts! As far as I can tell you should be good to go.
June 20, 2006 3:55:38 AM

yeah and sometimes its just a bad batch of caps they used.
oh yeah? what s939 DFI board would you recommend opposed to an Asus A8n-e?
June 20, 2006 4:56:27 AM

ahahaha. Who could forget the cheap chinese caps.
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