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June 19, 2006 6:22:18 PM

I have aproximately 1.5 Grand (Maximum) for a gaming rig - these are the parts I've chose - Feel free to suggest anything pertaining to it. (actually, the rig is for my pretty asian cousin, not me....)

of course, the parts are from newegg...

Cooler Master Cavalier 3 silver case
Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATAII NCQ 160 GB HD
LG L1980Q 19" LCD
Asus A8N-E Sock. 939 nforce ultra
eVGA geforce 7900 GT CO 256 MB GDDR3 PCIe (500mhz/1500mhz):) 
Enermax Noisetaker 485 W PSU
Logitech X-530 5.1 speakers
Corsair XMS 2GB DDR SDRAM
AMD Athlon64 3700+ SanDiego CPU

Should I wait till the Conroe July 23 AMD drop?, and get a X2 or 4000+?
And.....Should I get a X1800 XT, instead of the nvidia 7900GT?

Thanks


Wide Open to suggestions XD

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June 19, 2006 6:44:59 PM

If you can hold out till the price drop I would, then you will be able to bump into a nice X2 cpu. I think you should stick with the 7900GT over othe ATI, but other than that it looks pretty good! Have fun when you decide to go for it!
June 19, 2006 7:06:02 PM

$1,500US for a computer. No way. You can buy an XBOX 360 or PS3 for less than half that. Take the rest and buy a notebook or something for real computer working, not gaming.

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June 19, 2006 7:18:22 PM

I would wait for the price drop and get a better CPU myself. Like the screen name btw, one of my all-time favorite games.
June 19, 2006 7:20:47 PM

Yeah, if I wanted to play with a less than spectacular image of 1280x720.
June 19, 2006 7:20:49 PM

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$1,500US for a computer. No way. You can buy an XBOX 360 or PS3 for less than half that. Take the rest and buy a notebook or something for real computer working, not gaming.

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Ignore the peanut gallery please :roll:
Now to address the question. You could wait for Conroe if you wanted.
I certainly wouldnt buy a socket 939 system because it wont be upgradeable. If you get the same system in AM2 socket with DDR2-800. It wont cost you hardly anymore and you will be upgradeable to the new processors when they arrive. You could get a AM2 3500+ for $114 or a 3800+ for like $150 which will kick serious ass in games and upgrade to a 65nm x2 when they come out.
June 19, 2006 7:23:25 PM

personally i like my Opty 165. It does just as well as a dual core, and it should be dropping in price soon enough. let me know what you decide on
June 19, 2006 7:23:31 PM

Dam straight skippy! 1600x1200 all the way, lets see that waste of space 360 do that.
June 19, 2006 7:27:23 PM

Dust off the armor and polish it before rescuing distressed damsel.

If you can hold out until July, definitely get AM2 and related hardware. Better upgrade path and all that. Prices should drop a bit too. I would get the 1800 XT card because it allows both HRD and AA at the same time. Better yet, if you hold off till July, try to put away some more money and get a 1900 XT. If you don't care about doing HRD and AA at the same time, the 7900 GT will do nicely. You might also think about a 500-550 wt PSU so as to allow for upgrades in the future.

Overall, you've got a nice layout and should be pleased with the result.
June 19, 2006 7:41:58 PM

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personally i like my Opty 165. It does just as well as a dual core, and it should be dropping in price soon enough. let me know what you decide on


Uhh, the opty 165 is dual core. At least mine is.
June 19, 2006 8:11:12 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with the bagging on the x360 and p3, that's just stupid persons talk to buy one of those if you want the ultimate gaming experience...dummydumbfaceheads :lol: 

Your choices are strong, stay with nvidia and with a single core chip...I say that owning a dual core chip but if it is for gaming only, there are no advantages yet to owning one...nothing is multi-threaded but that has been addressed ad-nauseum in other threads.

my personal opinion is dont go with AM2, its going to be a while before that socket matures enough to consider using. everytime a new socket comes out you have awhile before it is considerably better than the old socket, enough so to warrant an upgrade. the only benefit of the AM2 socket is DDR2 and benchmarks have consistenly shown that its really not that exciting yet. if you want to wait, wait for the inevitable price drop in s939 and buy cheap. s939 will be around for a while and if you go with an sli board and just add another 7900gt later on, you will be fine for at least a year, if not 2 years. i have been running my 6800gt for almost 2 years now and i can play anything, Oblivion to F.E.A.R. and BF2 just fine.

MSI K8N-Neo2
AMD X2 4200+ (oc 2.3ghz)
evga 6800gt (oc 400/1100mhz)
2gb (4x512mb) Crucial Ballistix
3dmark03 - 13942
June 19, 2006 8:33:57 PM

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personally i like my Opty 165. It does just as well as a dual core, and it should be dropping in price soon enough. let me know what you decide on


:roll: :roll: Yes opty 165 is dual core.
This is the biggest problem at THG. A person giving another person advice on a processor and yet he himself doesnt even know if his own processor is dual or single core.
So I conclude:
A) Hes a liar and doesnt have a opty 165
or
B) He's just too stupid to know what he has.

Take your advice here with a grain of salt everyone.
June 19, 2006 8:37:01 PM

1680x1050 but close enough. :wink:
June 19, 2006 8:40:28 PM

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my personal opinion is dont go with AM2, its going to be a while before that socket matures enough to consider using. everytime a new socket comes out you have awhile before it is considerably better than the old socket, enough so to warrant an upgrade. the only benefit of the AM2 socket is DDR2 and benchmarks have consistenly shown that its really not that exciting yet.


Thats not entirely true. AM2 does post up to 20% performance increase using high speed (DDR2-800 or higher) low latency ram (4 or less). I dont believe there have been any benchmarks done with the correct ram.
Secondly recommending to you AM2 isnt just about better performance, its about the same or better performance for the same price with upgradeability. The new processors that havent even been released yet will work on the AM2 board, they wont work on 939.
June 19, 2006 8:43:29 PM

Shut up XBox Boy, that's not what she asked. If you can't answer what she asked without interjecting your useless opinion, then don't reply.
June 19, 2006 8:49:21 PM

I'd do some research on the 160GB drive, I heard they have problems losing the FAT Table, it may or may not be true, but I have one in the shop right now that did.
I'd wait for AM2, I'm no Extremist, but it does seem that AMD has something brewing, that's just from reading what's out there about the new platforms.
Other than that, play on and play happily.......NOT ON A CONSOLE !!!!
June 19, 2006 9:08:05 PM

you raise interesting points...i suppose we will have to wait and see when the merde acutally hits the ventilateur.

its boils down to personal feelings, i think we can agree on that. you want cutting edge, you go with AM2 and wait for the socket to come into its own like s939 did with nforce3 and 4 and the variants thereof. or you be like me and just use the tried and true stuff and not spend your money until you feel comfortable with the the new platform. i personally will be making the upgrade from nforce3 to nforce4 at christmas with something in sli...personal preference tells me that i can get the same performance out of two 7900gt's and my X2 without the brough-ha-ha of a new platform...hell, AGP still works just fine, you dont need that new fangled pci-e those kids are all up in arms about these days :lol: 

its all just a smoke screen anyway people, the Commodore64 will live again! :lol: 
June 19, 2006 9:53:00 PM

Actually, I'm a guy - Just doing this for my cousin!!! LOL

Anyway, I'm open to suggestions still - keep them coming!!!


Thanks
June 19, 2006 10:29:03 PM

Quote:
Actually, I'm a guy - Just doing this for my cousin!!! LOL

Anyway, I'm open to suggestions still - keep them coming!!!


Thanks


Sorry bout that "her" part.
June 19, 2006 10:42:27 PM

Not a problem :) 

She doesn't know a thing about computers, in fact, my whole family doesn't,
so they all come to me for advice - yeah the stereotypical comp geek act XD

She doesn't know a thing, but she's into gaming (i got her to), and she's also
really pretty :) 
June 19, 2006 11:21:55 PM

maybe in ram dependant apps 20% but not in real world aps (gaming like shes wants). also it would be wise to wait for the conroe prices drops, but you dont need to stick to AMD look at the price/performance of AM2 and conroe and deside for yourself. If the benchmarks are indeed correct then perhaps it would be better to go for a conroe, but thats just my opinion. Gl with ur build.
June 19, 2006 11:23:35 PM

blast should have read that before i posted.
June 19, 2006 11:28:39 PM

Is noise a concern? The northbridge and 7900GT fans are going to make some racket. OEM heatsink might as well.

I'm using the Asus A8N5X. I think the only difference is lack of SATA 3.0 support and $20 cheaper.

I replaced the northbridge fan with a ZALMAN ZM-NB47J heatsink. I'm going to replace the 7900GT heatsink with a VF900 after a few more days of burn in.

For the CPU I'm using a Scythe Ninja without a fan. I fashioned a duct to couple it with the rear case fan. The whole case is cooled with one case fan and the PSU. Also I've had really good experience with the XP-120 but that requires its own fan. I recommend Nexus.

I'm very happy SeaSonic PSU's. I'm powering a Clawhammer 3500+ and an EVGA 7900GT KO SUPERCLOCKED using a S12-380, along with two HDDs and two optical drives and an Audigy. 485W is fine but maybe overkill and its 80mm fans aren't going to be the quietest.

You might also consider sourcing some Nexus 120mm fans for the case. More than two is overkill.

In short, I think it's worthwhile to consider investing ~$100 in making your PC whisper quiet. Makes the machine much easier to live with.
June 20, 2006 12:12:11 AM

For A Motherboard Id Suggest A Better Nforce4 Based Board (Nforce4 Ultra Preferred) If Ya Want A Good Board Suggestion Id Suggest The Board I Have (If Your Not Worried About SLI) Would Be The Chaintech Zenith VE It Is A Very Good Low Priced Board And Has All The Good Features (Except SLI)
June 20, 2006 12:13:56 AM

Look at my sig for my rig. I love it.
June 20, 2006 12:51:46 AM

Ok....

I'd definatly go x1800XT 512MB over a 7900GT. Reason being 7900GT's fail and need to be RMAd often. You never know if you'll be getting a fixed card or broken card. They have a problem with cheap Voltage regulators which fail and slowly kill the GPU.. this brings up garbled images on your screen, ripping and black screens... then of course the death of your graphics card. You then need to send it out for repairs and wait a week or two before you get another card... which MIGHT ALSO exhibit the same problems.

Another point is that the x1800XT has 512MB of memory. Which is where game are going. It's also able to do HDR+AA, High Quality Anisotropic filtering, Hardware assisted Physics (with a dedicated branching unit) as well as Hardware assisted transcoding and encoding of video (like converting a DVD into an xvdid or divx video in minutes not hours).

Not about the physics... you'll be able to use the x1800XT as a dedicate physics card when you upgrade to a new ATi VPU (graphics card) in the future. The x1800XT is about 4-5 times faster then a 7900GTX in physics calculations (dedicated branching unit accounts for this increase).

Also if you do folding.. there's a new BETA coming out that can use the power of your x1K card (ATI x1600 and higher) to process the folding.. thus leaving your CPU free to do other tasks. Currently the BETA shows a 7900GTX as being slower then a Dual Xeon processor rig at folding (about 75% of the performance) while an x1800XT is twice as fast.. again due to the Dedicated Branching unit.

x1K is just a superior all around graphics card. It does more then graphics. They also have the industries best video quality.

If you want links to all this I will gladly post them. Don't make the same mistake others have made.. 7x00 series is not the way to go... if you want to go nVIDIA wait until G80... should support all of these extra's.... maybe.
June 20, 2006 2:40:07 AM

Umm, I believe their was a mis communication in his post.

Quote:
personally i like my Opty 165. It does just as well as a dual core, and it should be dropping in price soon enough. let me know what you decide on


It just needs a comma right:
Quote:
personally i like my Opty 165. It does just as well, as a dual core, and it should be dropping in price soon enough. let me know what you decide on


Anyone else see that possibility? I don't think anyone that is on this forum, is stupid enough to own a Opty 165 and not know its dual core. Period.

DDay
June 20, 2006 2:42:30 AM

to journey----, can you please post?


thanks
June 20, 2006 2:47:51 AM

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Anyone else see that possibility? I don't think anyone that is on this forum, is stupid enough to own a Opty 165 and not know its dual core. Period.

DDay


Your new here aren't you?

There are a LOT of people here stupid enough to make that mistake. I have seen more than one do it in the past. Figuring out how to post to a tech forum neither grants nor implies any level of technical knowledge beyond just that.
June 20, 2006 2:59:15 AM

Umm, no, I'm not at all new. I guess I just figure that from what I've seen at least in the general homebuilt section (because thats basicly all I read) that people aren't that stupid. If they have built, which they should have if they are here. Or they are looking to build, than they aren't that stupid. So, umm, maybe I'm unrealistic. But I haven't seen anyone that stupid around here. Of course, I generally stay away from the stupid threads to begin with, and that might have something to do with it.

DDay
June 20, 2006 3:02:27 AM

I know you aren't new, I can see your join date. I was being facetious.

I haven't spent much time in the general homebuilt section, but I have run across people both that stupid (lack of knowledge), and ignorant (not the same thing).
June 20, 2006 3:09:59 AM

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I know you aren't new, I can see your join date. I was being facetious.

I haven't spent much time in the general homebuilt section, but I have run across people both that stupid (lack of knowledge), and ignorant (not the same thing).


I agree ignorant and stupid are two different things but I believe that you have the definitions reversed.
June 20, 2006 3:16:36 AM

You are right. You have to forgive me, my brain isn't that into this tonight. Long day.
June 20, 2006 3:18:24 AM

Stupid is lacking intelligence

ignorant is lacking knowledge
June 20, 2006 3:40:43 AM

Isn't it amazing how these threads get off topic so quickly?!

Woo for the Commodore64

Don't stop believin'.
June 20, 2006 3:43:13 AM

Your selection is excellent.

You'll be very happy together.

Ignore any idiots who say "wait". If you follow that advice you'll NEVER buy anything.
June 20, 2006 4:36:24 AM

NO offense, EVERYBODY, but please, can you stay on topic, my cousin expects her custom gaming rig by the 1st of August!!! oh - w/e there's still a few days left.........but, thanks eveyone....
June 20, 2006 4:47:10 AM

The First of August! And your worried about this now? Man! We don't know how much prices are going to down by then, we don't know if new vid cards will come out, and we don't know how awesome conroe is going to be. But by the time you buy this, we will. Basicly, so much stuff is going on in the computer world soon, that until right before you buy, you won't know whats best.

DDay
June 20, 2006 4:58:20 AM

Not up to her, but up to me, since all she knows is basically how to download music, watch videos, and play ass-busting games such as Oblivion.

As I said before, I'm the only computer geek in the entire family :) 
,and the only one who knows a bit from a byte, AGP from PCIe, and RAM from Hard Drive...


And you're correct: it is a birthday present, we're all quite rich, at least rich enough to afford a 1500$ gaming system, and I'm at least smart enough to put it together...

And............can someone suggest a few good fans 120mm - and how many should I have in my case - i plan on having a few 120s, not a bunch of 80s.
June 20, 2006 5:35:05 AM

Do you want really quiet fans, or do you want fans that are any noise level but push LOTS of air. Specify what's most important to you.

DDay
June 20, 2006 5:58:26 AM

I think I would prefer fans that push air potently, but aren't too loud.
basically, something that's pretty quiet and pushes air pretty well is fine with me...
June 20, 2006 6:46:12 AM

I'd recommend this Silverstone. It goes from really quiet not much air, to pretty loud, CRAZY AMOUNT OF AIR.

:D 

Yeah, get that, I think I am too.

Personally, I'm more into quiet, and I don't think I'll need much more fan wise.

DDay
June 20, 2006 7:56:23 AM

I think your choice of components is good based on what is available today but, as others have suggested, I would wait till July 24th (and a few more days to allow the new prices to stabilize) and re-examine the options.

Only then would I decide which processor to buy based on real (and available) price/performance.

I think that with 1.5 grands you can build quite a nice machine. With that budget I would consider one of the Western Digital Raptor drives instead of the Seagate. The 74GB Raptor (with the same firmware as the new 150GB) is selling for around $130 after a $30 rebate (check Newegg).

Also, for excellent cooling performance and very low noise, you may want to check out the Scythe cooler reviewed at http://www.hardwareoc.at/Scythe_Mine_Cooler_Kuehler.htm

The page is originally in German, but you can get to it from Google and get a translated version. One downside may be that the cooler referred to on that page may not be available in the U.S (I don't know one way or another if it is)

Hope that helps.

I just noticed that you may not be able to wait till July 24.
June 20, 2006 11:31:13 AM

Pretty ? Then by all means get her out here gaming lol.
June 20, 2006 12:15:47 PM

Quote:
Umm, I believe their was a mis communication in his post.

personally i like my Opty 165. It does just as well as a dual core, and it should be dropping in price soon enough. let me know what you decide on


It just needs a comma right:
Quote:
personally i like my Opty 165. It does just as well, as a dual core, and it should be dropping in price soon enough. let me know what you decide on


Anyone else see that possibility? I don't think anyone that is on this forum, is stupid enough to own a Opty 165 and not know its dual core. Period.

DDay

I dont see it, doesnt make sense. If he meant it that way then why say "does just as well as"?? Just as well as what? another dual core? That wouldnt make any sense.
And yes, there are people here who are that stupid. or just plain liars.
June 20, 2006 5:17:23 PM

im a liar and im stoopid but i dont stop believin cause i hold on to that feelin...aug 16th is going to rok my sox, journey and def leppard!

ok, so that has nothing to do with this post so i will add some things that will make it relavent: AMD, HDD, SATA, AGP, PCI-e, CMOS (oooo!)

ok, well now that i cluttered up this post with meaningless drivel like unto the rest i will end now

...one more thought, tell me 'The Hobbit' on the commodore64 wasn't the coolest damn game ever!
June 20, 2006 5:42:02 PM

I can actually wait a while, but preferably the latest date will probably be August 1st.

Suggestions are still extremely welcomed - my cousin thanks you guys a lot!
June 20, 2006 6:34:47 PM

CPU question: wait for conroe, or wait for conroe and get a price slashed AMD
(either a X2 3800+ or a 4000+?)


GPU question: Which one performs better (I'm not into hard core ociing, only perhaps a little - X1800XT or 7900GT?)



RAM question: DDR(AMD 64) or DDR2(conroe).


PSU question: SHould I get something more than 485 watt? (the 2 GPUs each takes up hell)


FANs...


thanks a lot XD
!